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(io9)   2000 year old hipster chick proves beyond doubt that gluten is bad for you, bro   (io9.com) divider line 83
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2014-05-02 09:00:55 AM  
Yet the skeleton of the woman - who researchers estimate was 18-20 years old - bore signs of malnutrition and osteoporosis. Both can be complications of untreated coeliac disease, which is characterized by a severe allergic reaction to gluten in the intestinal lining.

Yeah, it's practically a slam dunk.

And it doesn't matter, subby, because you are your girlfriend definitely aren't suffering from it unless you've been to a doctor and diagnosed with celiac disease.
 
2014-05-02 09:17:24 AM  
More gluten for me then.  Good.
 
2014-05-02 09:19:04 AM  
2000 year old hipster chick proves beyond doubt that gluten is bad for you, bro

Are you a bro, subby?
 
2014-05-02 10:43:40 AM  
On the one hand, grains and bread aren't very good for us.  On the other, we never would have created civilization without them.  Oh, and BEER!  So let's just use all grains for animal feed and beer.
 
2014-05-02 10:44:14 AM  
Or maybe she had an eating disorder.
 
2014-05-02 10:45:23 AM  
Had she known the danger of GMOs she could have avoided such an early demise.
 
2014-05-02 10:45:48 AM  

Lsherm: Yet the skeleton of the woman - who researchers estimate was 18-20 years old - bore signs of malnutrition and osteoporosis. Both can be complications of untreated coeliac disease, which is characterized by a severe allergic reaction to gluten in the intestinal lining.

Yeah, it's practically a slam dunk.

And it doesn't matter, subby, because you are your girlfriend definitely aren't suffering from it unless you've been to a doctor and diagnosed with celiac disease.


So if you never go to the doctor you will never get sick!
 
2014-05-02 10:46:56 AM  
 
2014-05-02 10:47:30 AM  
Hopefully someone will show up and tell us all how awesome the paleo diet is, because if we know anything, it's how smart cavemen were, and how long they lived.
 
2014-05-02 10:47:58 AM  
Uh, hasn't it been known that celiac has been around for a long time?

It was named *In 200 AD*.

Sucks that I have to keep an eye on myself for signs of it, though.

/Mom developed it in her later 40's. Confirmed via blood test and biopsy.
//At least Woodchuck Cider is gluten free and tasty, if worst comes to worst...
 
2014-05-02 10:48:56 AM  

Lsherm: Yet the skeleton of the woman - who researchers estimate was 18-20 years old - bore signs of malnutrition and osteoporosis. Both can be complications of untreated coeliac disease, which is characterized by a severe allergic reaction to gluten in the intestinal lining.

Yeah, it's practically a slam dunk.

And it doesn't matter, subby, because you are your girlfriend definitely aren't suffering from it unless you've been to a doctor and diagnosed with celiac disease.


Maybe you should have kept reading?

"What's more, DNA evidence adds credence to the theory; she carried two copies of an immune system gene variant associated with celiac disease - the exact same variant found in people living today with celiac. "
 
2014-05-02 10:49:52 AM  
Er... IIRC celiac is genetic (or at least involves a genetic predisposition) and 2000 years ago, while "ancient" times from our perspective, is what, like...  yesterday from an evolutionary perspective?  Shocking stuff.
 
2014-05-02 10:50:29 AM  
Analysis of the skeletal remains of an affluent young woman who lived in Tuscany some 2,000 years ago shows that celiac disease has existed since ancient times - as has the practice of avoiding certain foods.

Affluent person has food intolerance to gluten. Imagine that.

You know, I think that most of our diseases anymore are really just symptoms of being too rich.
 
2014-05-02 10:51:19 AM  
So it was a hip, trendy, made up affliction back then, too?
 
2014-05-02 10:52:22 AM  
If you eat a ten pound meal which includes a healthy portion of bread and other gluten products and feel terrible later, you probably aren't allergic to gluten. You're probably allergic to ten pound meals.

How many millions of skeletons have we dug up? How many present evidence of POSSIBLE gluten-related diseases?

While you ponder those questions, Imma gonna go make myself a huge roast beef on dill rye with spicy mustard. Then I'm gonna enjoy the glucose high.
 
2014-05-02 10:54:04 AM  

Felgraf: Uh, hasn't it been known that celiac has been around for a long time?

It was named *In 200 AD*.

Sucks that I have to keep an eye on myself for signs of it, though.

/Mom developed it in her later 40's. Confirmed via blood test and biopsy.
//At least Woodchuck Cider is gluten free and tasty, if wort comes to worst...


FTFY
 
2014-05-02 10:54:08 AM  
Would not hit...

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FTFA:  Many of her bones were eroded at the tips

Sharp knees and all...
 
2014-05-02 10:55:45 AM  
That was interesting right up until the advertisement for a diet fad.
 
2014-05-02 10:56:10 AM  
Did her skinny jeans and members only jacket rot away?
 
2014-05-02 10:59:21 AM  

Lsherm: Yeah, it's practically a slam dunk.

And it doesn't matter, subby, because you are your girlfriend definitely aren't suffering from it unless you've been to a doctor and diagnosed with celiac disease.


Celiac disease isn't binary - it's not that you either suffer from it or not.

Everyone has different levels of intolerance to gluten. Yes, it may not kill you but it can still make you feel slightly sick.

Anyways, it's all the starch that comes with the gluten that is the problem for me.
 
2014-05-02 11:01:27 AM  

mr0x: Lsherm: Yeah, it's practically a slam dunk.

And it doesn't matter, subby, because you are your girlfriend definitely aren't suffering from it unless you've been to a doctor and diagnosed with celiac disease.

Celiac disease isn't binary - it's not that you either suffer from it or not.

Everyone has different levels of intolerance to gluten. Yes, it may not kill you but it can still make you feel slightly sick.

Anyways, it's all the starch that comes with the gluten that is the problem for me.


You wouldn't believe the way a slice of bread makes my Morgellon's flare up.
 
2014-05-02 11:02:42 AM  
Could be an Ankylosing Spondylitis Spine. Another disease tied to gut health. I have this to look forward to as i get older, if i don't off myself well before hand.

upload.wikimedia.org
 
2014-05-02 11:05:09 AM  

djZorbof: Could be an Ankylosing Spondylitis Spine. Another disease tied to gut health. I have this to look forward to as i get older, if i don't off myself well before hand.

[upload.wikimedia.org image 257x598]


Was this post brought to us by Humira?
 
2014-05-02 11:05:31 AM  

China White Tea: You wouldn't believe the way a slice of bread makes my Morgellon's flare up.


... Are you comparing Celiac to Morgellon's?

You realize Celiac is actually recognized, and there's A) A pretty definitive test, and B) a known cause and effect? (Basically: Your body mis-identifies gluten as an invading/foreign body. It then goes BUGNUTS to attack it when you eat gluten, damaging the lining of your small intestine, making it difficult to absorb nutrients).
 
2014-05-02 11:06:32 AM  

Felgraf: ... Are you comparing Celiac to Morgellon's?

You realize Celiac is actually recognized, and there's A) A pretty definitive test, and B) a known cause and effect? (Basically: Your body mis-identifies gluten as an invading/foreign body. It then goes BUGNUTS to attack it when you eat gluten, damaging the lining of your small intestine, making it difficult to absorb nutrients).


No, I'm comparing non-celiac, self-diagnosed gluten-sensitivities to Morgellons.
 
2014-05-02 11:08:27 AM  

China White Tea: djZorbof: Could be an Ankylosing Spondylitis Spine. Another disease tied to gut health. I have this to look forward to as i get older, if i don't off myself well before hand.

[upload.wikimedia.org image 257x598]

Was this post brought to us by Humira?


That would be a pretty dark advertisment.

Don't off yourself beforehand. Try Humira today!
 
2014-05-02 11:09:04 AM  

China White Tea: Felgraf: ... Are you comparing Celiac to Morgellon's?

You realize Celiac is actually recognized, and there's A) A pretty definitive test, and B) a known cause and effect? (Basically: Your body mis-identifies gluten as an invading/foreign body. It then goes BUGNUTS to attack it when you eat gluten, damaging the lining of your small intestine, making it difficult to absorb nutrients).

No, I'm comparing non-celiac, self-diagnosed gluten-sensitivities to Morgellons.


Ah, okay, fair enough.
 
2014-05-02 11:11:52 AM  

djZorbof: China White Tea: djZorbof: Could be an Ankylosing Spondylitis Spine. Another disease tied to gut health. I have this to look forward to as i get older, if i don't off myself well before hand.

[upload.wikimedia.org image 257x598]

Was this post brought to us by Humira?

That would be a pretty dark advertisment.

Don't off yourself beforehand. Try Humira today!


Yeah, I hear their radio spots with the cartoonishly voiced ankylosing-spondilitis-monster every morning.  They make it sound almost cute.

/Looks pretty awful.
 
2014-05-02 11:13:17 AM  

Carn: On the one hand, grains and bread aren't very good for us.


Really? Why not?
 
2014-05-02 11:13:17 AM  
I was in graduate school that was predominately female when the gluten free thing started to hit. Suddenly half of them claimed they had celiac disease and their lives improved when they gave up gluten. Real celiac disease is a serious debilitating illness. It pisses me off that a diet trend based around a real disease can become trendy
 
2014-05-02 11:13:24 AM  

mr0x: Lsherm: Yeah, it's practically a slam dunk.

And it doesn't matter, subby, because you are your girlfriend definitely aren't suffering from it unless you've been to a doctor and diagnosed with celiac disease.

Celiac disease isn't binary - it's not that you either suffer from it or not.

Everyone has different levels of intolerance to gluten. Yes, it may not kill you but it can still make you feel slightly sick.

Anyways, it's all the starch that comes with the gluten that is the problem for me.


Studies lately are linking Round-up to many of the issues relating to problems with glutens also. Not saying it's just Round-up...
 
2014-05-02 11:13:56 AM  
Thanks a lot, Obama.
 
2014-05-02 11:18:33 AM  

dpzum1: mr0x: Lsherm: Yeah, it's practically a slam dunk.

And it doesn't matter, subby, because you are your girlfriend definitely aren't suffering from it unless you've been to a doctor and diagnosed with celiac disease.

Celiac disease isn't binary - it's not that you either suffer from it or not.

Everyone has different levels of intolerance to gluten. Yes, it may not kill you but it can still make you feel slightly sick.

Anyways, it's all the starch that comes with the gluten that is the problem for me.

Studies lately are linking Round-up to many of the issues relating to problems with glutens also. Not saying it's just Round-up...


gotta citation on that?
 
2014-05-02 11:20:31 AM  
 I exhibit many of the symptoms of celiac disease, but I ignore them because fark you.

 I'd rather die at 40 than have to constantly be worried about what foods I can't eat or what liquids I can't drink.
 
2014-05-02 11:25:56 AM  
I like how people want to take the most common things annmd claim they're killing us. Tap water - killing us. Grain - killing us. Radio waves - killing us. If this stuff is killing us where are all the bodies? They should be piling up around us.
 
2014-05-02 11:27:10 AM  

meat0918: dpzum1: mr0x: Lsherm: Yeah, it's practically a slam dunk.

And it doesn't matter, subby, because you are your girlfriend definitely aren't suffering from it unless you've been to a doctor and diagnosed with celiac disease.

Celiac disease isn't binary - it's not that you either suffer from it or not.

Everyone has different levels of intolerance to gluten. Yes, it may not kill you but it can still make you feel slightly sick.

Anyways, it's all the starch that comes with the gluten that is the problem for me.

Studies lately are linking Round-up to many of the issues relating to problems with glutens also. Not saying it's just Round-up...

gotta citation on that?


It has been widely discussed on Reddit and Twitter.
 
2014-05-02 11:27:37 AM  

sigdiamond2000: Carn: On the one hand, grains and bread aren't very good for us.

Really? Why not?


Mostly because they're high carb and depending on the type, not all that nutritious (does not apply for quinoa, some rices and others).  As with all things a little in moderation is fine, like if you're having a sandwich for lunch and a roll with dinner, but if you show me a person who's in love with bread and/or grains who isn't some sort of serious exerciser, they're probably a fatty.

Now, the real issue is our modern sedentary life styles.  4000 years ago, everybody worked (well ok maybe a few people in each society didn't, the king/chieftain some priests or something but whatever) so grains are what kept your people fed.  You ate the fruits and veggies and nuts when you could get them and meat was mostly for the wealthy.  Seems like this system worked pretty good up until sometime in the last century.  It was way more likely you'd get killed by disease or war or angry bears or something than some modern disease like diabetes.  We got really wealthy as a whole, and we also became comparatively lazy turds.  Everything is mechanized, we sit while we work then we come home and sit on the couch or whatever.  Even those of us that work out that's an hour a couple days a week plus I walk my dog most days.  It's enough to keep me in moderate shape if I watch what I eat.

So let me rectify my previous statement: grains and bread aren't very good for us modern lazy fatties.
 
2014-05-02 11:27:41 AM  

BarryTheMasterOfSandwich: I exhibit many of the symptoms of celiac disease, but I ignore them because fark you.

 I'd rather die at 40 than have to constantly be worried about what foods I can't eat or what liquids I can't drink.


abdominal bloating and pain
chronic diarrhea
vomiting
constipation
pale, foul-smelling, or fatty stool
weight loss
unexplained iron-deficiency anemia
fatigue
bone or joint pain
arthritis
bone loss or osteoporosis
depression or anxiety
tingling numbness in the hands and feet
seizures
missed menstrual periods
infertility or recurrent miscarriage
canker sores inside the mouth
an itchy skin rash called dermatitis herpetiformis


I'm pretty sure just about everyone will have at least a couple of those at some point in their life. Doesn't mean gluten is the culprit, it means you're a human
 
2014-05-02 11:27:51 AM  

meat0918: dpzum1: mr0x: Lsherm: Yeah, it's practically a slam dunk.

And it doesn't matter, subby, because you are your girlfriend definitely aren't suffering from it unless you've been to a doctor and diagnosed with celiac disease.

Celiac disease isn't binary - it's not that you either suffer from it or not.

Everyone has different levels of intolerance to gluten. Yes, it may not kill you but it can still make you feel slightly sick.

Anyways, it's all the starch that comes with the gluten that is the problem for me.

Studies lately are linking Round-up to many of the issues relating to problems with glutens also. Not saying it's just Round-up...

gotta citation on that?


Ok, I found it, and it's got all the markers of being a biased piece of garbage.
 
2014-05-02 11:28:04 AM  

meat0918: dpzum1: mr0x: Lsherm: Yeah, it's practically a slam dunk.

And it doesn't matter, subby, because you are your girlfriend definitely aren't suffering from it unless you've been to a doctor and diagnosed with celiac disease.

Celiac disease isn't binary - it's not that you either suffer from it or not.

Everyone has different levels of intolerance to gluten. Yes, it may not kill you but it can still make you feel slightly sick.

Anyways, it's all the starch that comes with the gluten that is the problem for me.

Studies lately are linking Round-up to many of the issues relating to problems with glutens also. Not saying it's just Round-up...

gotta citation on that?


I think I've heard something like this as well.  A quick Google Search yielded this link as well as others.  I don't know how reliable the sources are, but he did not just pull the statement out of his ass.
 
2014-05-02 11:28:57 AM  

Russ1642: meat0918: dpzum1: mr0x: Lsherm: Yeah, it's practically a slam dunk.

And it doesn't matter, subby, because you are your girlfriend definitely aren't suffering from it unless you've been to a doctor and diagnosed with celiac disease.

Celiac disease isn't binary - it's not that you either suffer from it or not.

Everyone has different levels of intolerance to gluten. Yes, it may not kill you but it can still make you feel slightly sick.

Anyways, it's all the starch that comes with the gluten that is the problem for me.

Studies lately are linking Round-up to many of the issues relating to problems with glutens also. Not saying it's just Round-up...

gotta citation on that?

It has been widely discussed on Reddit and Twitter.


Two places I avoid if at all possible.
 
2014-05-02 11:30:53 AM  
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2014-05-02 11:31:24 AM  

47 is the new 42: meat0918: dpzum1: mr0x: Lsherm: Yeah, it's practically a slam dunk.

And it doesn't matter, subby, because you are your girlfriend definitely aren't suffering from it unless you've been to a doctor and diagnosed with celiac disease.

Celiac disease isn't binary - it's not that you either suffer from it or not.

Everyone has different levels of intolerance to gluten. Yes, it may not kill you but it can still make you feel slightly sick.

Anyways, it's all the starch that comes with the gluten that is the problem for me.

Studies lately are linking Round-up to many of the issues relating to problems with glutens also. Not saying it's just Round-up...

gotta citation on that?

I think I've heard something like this as well.  A quick Google Search yielded this link as well as others.  I don't know how reliable the sources are, but he did not just pull the statement out of his ass.


He pulled it out of someone else's ass, so it's ok.
 
2014-05-02 11:32:02 AM  

Carn: sigdiamond2000: Carn: On the one hand, grains and bread aren't very good for us.

Really? Why not?

Mostly because they're high carb and depending on the type, not all that nutritious (does not apply for quinoa, some rices and others).  As with all things a little in moderation is fine, like if you're having a sandwich for lunch and a roll with dinner, but if you show me a person who's in love with bread and/or grains who isn't some sort of serious exerciser, they're probably a fatty.

Now, the real issue is our modern sedentary life styles.  4000 years ago, everybody worked (well ok maybe a few people in each society didn't, the king/chieftain some priests or something but whatever) so grains are what kept your people fed.  You ate the fruits and veggies and nuts when you could get them and meat was mostly for the wealthy.  Seems like this system worked pretty good up until sometime in the last century.  It was way more likely you'd get killed by disease or war or angry bears or something than some modern disease like diabetes.  We got really wealthy as a whole, and we also became comparatively lazy turds.  Everything is mechanized, we sit while we work then we come home and sit on the couch or whatever.  Even those of us that work out that's an hour a couple days a week plus I walk my dog most days.  It's enough to keep me in moderate shape if I watch what I eat.

So let me rectify my previous statement: grains and bread aren't very good for us modern lazy fatties.


Oh, OK. Fair enough. I thought you might be one of these "WE HAVE TO STOP EATING ALL CARBS!!11" types.
 
2014-05-02 11:33:49 AM  
3.bp.blogspot.com

He hit it
 
2014-05-02 11:34:32 AM  

Banned on the Run: [3.bp.blogspot.com image 400x300]

He hit it


/better not be obscure
 
2014-05-02 11:37:25 AM  

sigdiamond2000: Carn: sigdiamond2000: Carn: On the one hand, grains and bread aren't very good for us.

Really? Why not?

Mostly because they're high carb and depending on the type, not all that nutritious (does not apply for quinoa, some rices and others).  As with all things a little in moderation is fine, like if you're having a sandwich for lunch and a roll with dinner, but if you show me a person who's in love with bread and/or grains who isn't some sort of serious exerciser, they're probably a fatty.

Now, the real issue is our modern sedentary life styles.  4000 years ago, everybody worked (well ok maybe a few people in each society didn't, the king/chieftain some priests or something but whatever) so grains are what kept your people fed.  You ate the fruits and veggies and nuts when you could get them and meat was mostly for the wealthy.  Seems like this system worked pretty good up until sometime in the last century.  It was way more likely you'd get killed by disease or war or angry bears or something than some modern disease like diabetes.  We got really wealthy as a whole, and we also became comparatively lazy turds.  Everything is mechanized, we sit while we work then we come home and sit on the couch or whatever.  Even those of us that work out that's an hour a couple days a week plus I walk my dog most days.  It's enough to keep me in moderate shape if I watch what I eat.

So let me rectify my previous statement: grains and bread aren't very good for us modern lazy fatties.

Oh, OK. Fair enough. I thought you might be one of these "WE HAVE TO STOP EATING ALL CARBS!!11" types.


Well, that rule works for me personally, but as mentioned I'm a modern lazy (kinda) fatty.  I had to cut way down on beer and sadly this has directly lead to 20 pound weight loss.  I knew it would but I didn't want it to be true.  Along with weight lifting, I've tried many different diets.  The one that works best for my metabolism is lowish carb (I get them from fruits and dairy).  I don't do cardio aside from walking but in the past when I've gotten my lazy ass on an elliptical a few times a week, my ability to handle grains/bread/pasta goes way up, not surprisingly.

But I hate that shiat.
 
2014-05-02 11:38:04 AM  
so is gluten tolerance like lactose tolerance, a useful adaptation that hasn't made it's way through the entire population yet?
 
2014-05-02 11:44:19 AM  
farking hippies. Malnutrition and osteoporosis can also be signs of... MALNUTRITION, which is more than likely the real story in this case.

How can we stop the scourge of first- world eating disorders?
 
2014-05-02 11:44:29 AM  
Well, it's certainly bad for *me*.

/celiac
 
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