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2014-05-02 12:26:10 AM  
Where the F*CK are this kid's parents??
 
2014-05-02 12:30:05 AM  
It was never going to work because he wanted to do too many things.
 
2014-05-02 01:02:14 AM  
Once there, detectives say LaDue detailed an elaborate plot that started with murdering his mother, father and sister with a .22 caliber firearm. LaDue then planned to go to a remote area outside Waseca to start fires that would pull first responders out of town. At that time, investigators say, LaDue planned to go to the middle and high school campus during lunch and set off pressure cooker bombs to kill students. When the school police liaison officer responded, LaDue planned to shoot him, and then open fire on more students.

A+ for ambition.  He thought through more things than most school shooters do.
 
2014-05-02 01:09:37 AM  

Lsherm: Once there, detectives say LaDue detailed an elaborate plot that started with murdering his mother, father and sister with a .22 caliber firearm. LaDue then planned to go to a remote area outside Waseca to start fires that would pull first responders out of town. At that time, investigators say, LaDue planned to go to the middle and high school campus during lunch and set off pressure cooker bombs to kill students. When the school police liaison officer responded, LaDue planned to shoot him, and then open fire on more students.

A+ for ambition.  He thought through more things than most school shooters do.


That is why they were school shooters and now he's just a wannabe
 
2014-05-02 01:28:33 AM  
The first rule of school massacre shooting bombing club is to not talk about school massacre shooting bombing club
 
2014-05-02 05:03:44 AM  
He's the Peter Molyneux of school shooters.
 
2014-05-02 05:07:21 AM  

fusillade762: Where the F*CK are this kid's parents??


I'm wondering this as well. I mean yeah, its not impossible to keep secrets from your family, but to have amassed so many weapons, how the hell did he get his hands on this stuff?
 
2014-05-02 05:22:05 AM  
I blame that darn metal music, video games, and the Matrix.
 
2014-05-02 05:22:21 AM  
It's gonna be awkward when he asks his parents for a raise in his allowance.
 
2014-05-02 05:23:22 AM  
I want to know how a 17 yr old was able to get those guns and all that ammo.
 
2014-05-02 05:23:26 AM  
Stop making them famous.

Also...

Inigo: He's the Peter Molyneux of school shooters.


"I wonder, said LaFarge, just how much Molyneaux?" -Monty P.
 
2014-05-02 05:27:21 AM  
Some men juveniles just want to watch the world burn.

One less sociopath to worry about.
 
2014-05-02 05:28:40 AM  
I like when good triumphs over evil. I am so worn by our ready acceptance of evil.
 
2014-05-02 05:29:43 AM  
I blame video games

I shall start the purge and immediately forlet my whole game collection. All of them will be buried at the bottom of a landfill.
 
2014-05-02 05:33:34 AM  
Sounds like another undereducated young Fark lib voter to me. Part of the FECKLESS crowd.
 
2014-05-02 05:33:34 AM  

CraicBaby: I want to know how a 17 yr old was able to get those guns and all that ammo.


I think we will find the typical parental trainwreck behind this kid. Decided after a few years they did not want to have kids anymore, did not want to be married anymore, did not want responsibilities anymore. You will probably find two "adults" who are much more concerned about themselves than anyone else. That is the best way to raise a sociopath.
 
2014-05-02 05:33:43 AM  

cman: I blame video games



Angry Birds fosters porcine hate crimes.
 
2014-05-02 05:39:28 AM  

strangeluck: fusillade762: Where the F*CK are this kid's parents??

I'm wondering this as well. I mean yeah, its not impossible to keep secrets from your family, but to have amassed so many weapons, how the hell did he get his hands on this stuff?





Firearms are currency among criminals, and anyone with some basic know how can rig explosives or properly set something on fire.
It's the same old problem of society trying to manage tools while letting a thinking malicious entity run around unchecked. The attackers just invent new and more elaborate plans.

I mean, seventeen with a storage unit... no one was looking at anything this kid did for a while now.

/thankfully his obsession with planning was his downfall.
/using fire, distracting the first responders, explosives.
/a scarily well thought out attack.
 
2014-05-02 05:42:37 AM  
A model student?  I wonder what that model was based upon.
 
2014-05-02 05:43:22 AM  

fusillade762: Where the F*CK are this kid's parents??


You mean the TV?
 
2014-05-02 05:45:40 AM  

Friction8r: Sounds like another undereducated young Fark lib voter to me. Part of the FECKLESS crowd.


i.imgur.com

 
2014-05-02 05:45:44 AM  

TheJoe03: I blame that darn metal music, video games, and the Matrix.


I blame politician websites with rifle scope crosshairs and bullseyes.
 
2014-05-02 05:47:21 AM  
More here.
 
2014-05-02 05:47:59 AM  
Dude was a moron. First responders to a fire aren't the same as the first responders to a school shooting. Starting a fire wouldn't have impacted the response time of a tactical unit making him eat his own bullet by even a minute. If anything, it would hasten it because radio traffic would have other officers more attentive.

There's planning, and then there is PROPER planning. This arse clown had a lot of complicated bullshiat that was counter intuitive to his 'goal'. Doesn't matter how well you plan something if that plan is faulty. you just have a well planned failure at that point.
 
2014-05-02 05:49:57 AM  
 
2014-05-02 05:50:12 AM  
Kids these days.
 
2014-05-02 05:50:25 AM  

Friction8r: Sounds like another undereducated young Fark lib voter to me. Part of the FECKLESS crowd.


You are stupidity, stuffed in idiocy, all stuffed inside a giant dumb. You are the turducken of stupid.
 
2014-05-02 05:51:09 AM  
It does make me kinda happy to think about how, wow, we could've heard about a farking horrible thing in a week, and now we won't. Sometimes the world is an okay place
 
2014-05-02 05:52:50 AM  

100 Watt Walrus: Friction8r: Sounds like another undereducated young Fark lib voter to me. Part of the FECKLESS crowd.


Look at you, all cute with teh butthurt. Knee her reaction butthurt. Fish 8nsight a barrel and all that.
 
2014-05-02 05:53:45 AM  

zarker: It does make me kinda happy to think about how, wow, we could've heard about a farking horrible thing in a week, and now we won't. Sometimes the world is an okay place


This was a diversionary arrest. The real killer will strike next week.
At least that's how it would go down on Homeland.
 
2014-05-02 05:54:23 AM  

way south: /thankfully his obsession with planning was his downfall.
/using fire, distracting the first responders, explosives.
/a scarily well thought out attack.


If you're going to use slashies they need to be bigger each time. It's a rule.

/saying goodnight
//doing it right
///suck it
 
2014-05-02 05:57:23 AM  

zarker: It does make me kinda happy to think about how, wow, we could've heard about a farking horrible thing in a week, and now we won't.


we still can.  we don't get immunity for a week because one person was stopped.
 
2014-05-02 05:59:15 AM  

stonelotus: zarker: It does make me kinda happy to think about how, wow, we could've heard about a farking horrible thing in a week, and now we won't.

we still can.  we don't get immunity for a week because one person was stopped.


Ya know, I considered adding "or at least not this one thing" but I figured people would get it. Silly me
 
2014-05-02 06:04:41 AM  

TheJoe03: I blame that darn metal music, video games, and the Matrix.


My money's on Marilyn Manson. Him and that damn Enema, or whatever his name is. . . . What's a parent suppose to do against influences like that, amirite?
 
2014-05-02 06:05:25 AM  

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: More here.


From your link:

The criminal complaint said LaDue told police that he originally planned the attack for April 20, the anniversary of the Columbine High School massacre that killed 13 people in Littleton, Colo., in 1999. That was thwarted because that day was Easter Sunday and there was no school.

That was close. The kid had to rethink his cunning plan when he realized the calendar didn't match up. Or he wasn't prepared/willing to follow through. Master-mind criminal right there.

/glad he was caught
//glad he's gonna be in jail for a while
 
2014-05-02 06:05:52 AM  

CraicBaby: I want to know how a 17 yr old was able to get those guns and all that ammo.


Depends on what he had. At 16 you can legally purchase a long arm from a private seller. The Columbine kids got theirs via straw purchase. If you have the funding, you can get just about any man portable weapon you could want. Not everyone has qualms with arming teens for cash.

The really question is where he got the cash, cause firearms and ammo aren't exactly cheap these days.
 
2014-05-02 06:06:11 AM  
Ooh east coast members of the FECKLESS crowd just got to their cubicles to log into a hard day of farking. Making themselves feel better with their little Internet buddies who share like-minded yet misguided ideals. Good parents raise good children who don't contemplate such despicable acts. Then there is the FECKLESS crowd.
 
2014-05-02 06:06:20 AM  

Alphax: A model student?  I wonder what that model was based upon.


For learning guitar? It's a low bar. Just showing up and paying on time.
 
2014-05-02 06:09:22 AM  

Friction8r: Ooh east coast members of the FECKLESS crowd just got to their cubicles to log into a hard day of farking. Making themselves feel better with their little Internet buddies who share like-minded yet misguided ideals. Good parents raise good children who don't contemplate such despicable acts. Then there is the FECKLESS crowd.


Yeah, so what's your point?
 
2014-05-02 06:11:58 AM  

TheJoe03: I blame that darn metal music, video games, and the Matrix.


Lol I'm actually watching The Matrix right now...
 
2014-05-02 06:13:08 AM  
Gun safe in his room suggests the parents knew he had the weapons. I mean, if no one knows you have them there's not much need for a safe, is there?

media.liveauctiongroup.net
One of these?
 
2014-05-02 06:22:08 AM  
Oh, so were arresting people for just planning to bomb and kill now????

Thought-crime 1984, anyone?
 
2014-05-02 06:23:33 AM  
 
2014-05-02 06:25:57 AM  
Way to go, anon. At least you farked up before you could go out in a blaze of glory.
 
2014-05-02 06:26:07 AM  
What's he got here?

previous.presstv.ir
The gun, not the animal.
 
2014-05-02 06:30:22 AM  

SpdrJay: Oh, so were arresting people for just planning to bomb and kill now????

Thought-crime 1984, anyone?


Troll, stupid, or failed attempt at humor? It gets hard to tell sometimes.
 
2014-05-02 06:32:37 AM  
WASECA, MN

Where all the women are strong, all the men are good-looking, and all the children are mass murderers.
 
2014-05-02 06:32:43 AM  

texastag: Stop making them famous.


And lose ratings? Nevar!
 
2014-05-02 06:37:22 AM  
He was in the right, for you see the world owed him and he was special but no one saw it.
 
2014-05-02 06:39:21 AM  

Inigo: He's the Peter Molyneux of school shooters.


I laughed.
 
2014-05-02 06:40:37 AM  

Friction8r: Sounds like another undereducated young Fark lib voter to me. Part of the FECKLESS crowd.


t1.rbxcdn.com
 
Skr
2014-05-02 06:44:31 AM  
This is his second chance at life, no way he would have lived through all that. Hope he gets the help he so obviously needs.
 
2014-05-02 06:47:08 AM  

Skr: This is his second chance at life, no way he would have lived through all that. Hope he gets the help he so obviously needs.


In America?  Likely he'll be sent to prison, to be passed around like a joint.
 
2014-05-02 06:49:38 AM  

skygod: Friction8r: Sounds like another undereducated young Fark lib voter to me. Part of the FECKLESS crowd.

You are stupidity, stuffed in idiocy, all stuffed inside a giant dumb. You are the turducken of stupid.


Smart enough to bait you.

/just saying.
 
2014-05-02 06:52:03 AM  
Thank goodness for that nosy person who saw him go in the storage area and calling in. Seems like without that person calling in, nobody would have known what was going to happen until it was too late.

/and
//What a little farking asshole.
 
2014-05-02 06:54:23 AM  

Bit'O'Gristle: Thank goodness for that nosy person who saw him go in the storage area and calling in. Seems like without that person calling in, nobody would have known what was going to happen until it was too late.

/and
//What a little farking asshole.


He was cutting through her backyard.
 
2014-05-02 06:57:42 AM  

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: What's he got here?

[previous.presstv.ir image 650x365]
The gun, not the animal.

 M-14.
 
2014-05-02 07:02:22 AM  
Was he one of the Trailer Park Boys?
 
2014-05-02 07:05:48 AM  
This might as well have happened anyway as no one from the school or family noticed anything going on with this kid.  Would've been a different outcome if that storage unit person didn't give a shiat about the kid.

Anyway, who the fark writes their whole plan for destruction in a journal anyway?
 
2014-05-02 07:05:50 AM  

stonelotus: zarker: It does make me kinda happy to think about how, wow, we could've heard about a farking horrible thing in a week, and now we won't.

we still can.  we don't get immunity for a week because one person was stopped.


media.nj.com

"Immunity! Save from talking heads on TV and random harassment of unpopular students!"
 
2014-05-02 07:08:28 AM  

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Gun safe in his room suggests the parents knew he had the weapons. I mean, if no one knows you have them there's not much need for a safe, is there?

[media.liveauctiongroup.net image 850x850]
One of these?


What is the fourth one down?
 
2014-05-02 07:12:04 AM  

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: What's he got here?

[previous.presstv.ir image 650x365]
The gun, not the animal.


It always starts with killing animals.
 
2014-05-02 07:13:40 AM  

August11: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Gun safe in his room suggests the parents knew he had the weapons. I mean, if no one knows you have them there's not much need for a safe, is there?

[media.liveauctiongroup.net image 850x850]
One of these?

What is the fourth one down?


Ishevsk Model: 1944

I guess just the top two are SKS.
 
2014-05-02 07:16:36 AM  

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: August11: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Gun safe in his room suggests the parents knew he had the weapons. I mean, if no one knows you have them there's not much need for a safe, is there?

[media.liveauctiongroup.net image 850x850]
One of these?

What is the fourth one down?

Ishevsk Model: 1944

I guess just the top two are SKS.


Thanks!
 
2014-05-02 07:18:31 AM  

rattchett: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: What's he got here?

[previous.presstv.ir image 650x365]
The gun, not the animal.
 M-14.


Springfield M1a. So his parents have money to throw around. Most teens aren't hunting with 2000 dollars worth of nostalgic gun wankery
 
2014-05-02 07:24:19 AM  

fusillade762: Where the F*CK are this kid's parents??


Where should they be? He's seventeen (17) years old. By them most kids have outgrown the dog kennels. And them durn libruls done made chaining them in the basement illegal, of all things.

I know: let's implant tiny devices in people's heads that will tell The Proper Authorities what they're doing and thinking every second, including not only a GPS tracker but also a Voice Of Authority that will tell them to stop right here and turn themselves in just in case Concerned Citizen has thought they "look suspicious" yet.

Lsherm: "Once there, detectives say LaDue detailed an elaborate plot that started with murdering his mother, father and sister with a .22 caliber firearm. LaDue then planned to go to a remote area outside Waseca to start fires that would pull first responders out of town. At that time, investigators say, LaDue planned to go to the middle and high school campus during lunch and set off pressure cooker bombs to kill students. When the school police liaison officer responded, LaDue planned to shoot him, and then open fire on more students."

A+ for ambition.  He thought through more things than most school shooters do.


Wasn't most of this in at least one movie?

SpdrJay: Oh, so were arresting people for just planning to bomb and kill now????

Thought-crime 1984, anyone?


Lots of people need an excuse to let The Authorities do their thinking for them. Big Fear is one such. But it's got to be reinforced every now and then or people will start listening to some imitation Jesus or something.

Ergo "Look how well we're keeping you safe! We get the massacres before they're started!" Along with, of course, a Concerned Citizen who thought something somebody did "looked suspicious" and did his snitchly duty. And underlying it all is Big Fear: "See what horrible things would happen to you if you stop giving us so much power and money?!?"

He could have just planned to build a mosque near "Ground Zero," but that's getting tired.

Then too there's this, from a Star Tribune article:

"We have escaped what could have been a horrific experience. We can either believe this occurred because of a lucky break or, as I do, choose to believe that God was looking out for all of us."

And God's chosen agents are the Police. Mark that.

Alphax: Skr: This is his second chance at life, no way he would have lived through all that. Hope he gets the help he so obviously needs.

In America?  Likely he'll be sent to prison, to be passed around like a joint.


For being a pathetic loser who can't use a calendar, among other things, and then blabs everything to police to make sure we know who he is.

A pathetic mastermind for a pathetic public. Sheesh.

Now you brain-starved masses can go back to shaming Lindsay Lohan for just wanting to have fun. "She drinks! She goes to trendy clubs! She has sex! How totally unlike us that evil woman is!"
 
2014-05-02 07:29:53 AM  

strangeluck: fusillade762: Where the F*CK are this kid's parents??

I'm wondering this as well. I mean yeah, its not impossible to keep secrets from your family, but to have amassed so many weapons, how the hell did he get his hands on this stuff?


Wonder how he came up with the money to get all that stuff?  His parents?  It's not cheap. Plus, in most states don't you have to be 18 to purchase handguns?  No wonder they're not talking.
 
2014-05-02 07:31:23 AM  

Subtle_Canary: rattchett: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: What's he got here?

[previous.presstv.ir image 650x365]
The gun, not the animal.
 M-14.

Springfield M1a. So his parents have money to throw around. Most teens aren't hunting with 2000 dollars worth of nostalgic gun wankery


An underpowered pistol bullet taking down a big deer? Must have been a lucky shot. Hell, it could be anything, it's a common style. And a good gimmick: they make shotguns that look like AK 47s too.

By the way, ain't that photo sweet? It's almost like the dead deer is a pet now.
 
2014-05-02 07:33:27 AM  

The One True TheDavid: Subtle_Canary: rattchett: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: What's he got here?

[previous.presstv.ir image 650x365]
The gun, not the animal.
 M-14.

Springfield M1a. So his parents have money to throw around. Most teens aren't hunting with 2000 dollars worth of nostalgic gun wankery

An underpowered pistol bullet taking down a big deer? Must have been a lucky shot. Hell, it could be anything, it's a common style. And a good gimmick: they make shotguns that look like AK 47s too.

By the way, ain't that photo sweet? It's almost like the dead deer is a pet now.


Bigger pic.

stmedia.startribune.com
 
2014-05-02 07:34:40 AM  

Subtle_Canary: rattchett: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: What's he got here?

[previous.presstv.ir image 650x365]
The gun, not the animal.
 M-14.

Springfield M1a. So his parents have money to throw around. Most teens aren't hunting with 2000 dollars worth of nostalgic gun wankery


Could be a Polyetch or Norinco M14 clone.

What ever brand it is, I am glad he did not get the chance to use it.
 
2014-05-02 07:37:01 AM  
Thanks, NSA
 
2014-05-02 07:40:41 AM  

The One True TheDavid: Subtle_Canary: rattchett: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: What's he got here?

[previous.presstv.ir image 650x365]
The gun, not the animal.
 M-14.

Springfield M1a. So his parents have money to throw around. Most teens aren't hunting with 2000 dollars worth of nostalgic gun wankery

An underpowered pistol bullet taking down a big deer? Must have been a lucky shot. Hell, it could be anything, it's a common style. And a good gimmick: they make shotguns that look like AK 47s too.

By the way, ain't that photo sweet? It's almost like the dead deer is a pet now.


It's .308.  A perfect calibre for deer.
 
2014-05-02 07:41:24 AM  

August11: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Gun safe in his room suggests the parents knew he had the weapons. I mean, if no one knows you have them there's not much need for a safe, is there?

[media.liveauctiongroup.net image 850x850]
One of these?

What is the fourth one down?


Looks like the shorter version of the Mosin-Nagant.
 
2014-05-02 07:52:44 AM  

The One True TheDavid: An underpowered pistol bullet taking down a big deer?


.308Win is an underpowered pistol round?
 
2014-05-02 07:54:41 AM  

way south: /thankfully his obsession with planning was his downfall.
/using fire, distracting the first responders, explosives.
/a scarily well thought out attack.


It's actually a carbon copy of the Columbine attack.

One of the things people don't realize is that Columbine was a failed *BOMBING*.  Shooting the kids was Plan B, in case the propane tank-based bombs didn't go off, which thankfully, they didn't.  As bad as Columbine was, it could have been much, much worse.
 
2014-05-02 07:55:18 AM  

The One True TheDavid: fusillade762: Where the F*CK are this kid's parents??

Where should they be? He's seventeen (17) years old. By them most kids have outgrown the dog kennels. And them durn libruls done made chaining them in the basement illegal, of all things.

I know: let's implant tiny devices in people's heads that will tell The Proper Authorities what they're doing and thinking every second, including not only a GPS tracker but also a Voice Of Authority that will tell them to stop right here and turn themselves in just in case Concerned Citizen has thought they "look suspicious" yet.

Lsherm: "Once there, detectives say LaDue detailed an elaborate plot that started with murdering his mother, father and sister with a .22 caliber firearm. LaDue then planned to go to a remote area outside Waseca to start fires that would pull first responders out of town. At that time, investigators say, LaDue planned to go to the middle and high school campus during lunch and set off pressure cooker bombs to kill students. When the school police liaison officer responded, LaDue planned to shoot him, and then open fire on more students."

A+ for ambition.  He thought through more things than most school shooters do.

Wasn't most of this in at least one movie?

SpdrJay: Oh, so were arresting people for just planning to bomb and kill now????

Thought-crime 1984, anyone?

Lots of people need an excuse to let The Authorities do their thinking for them. Big Fear is one such. But it's got to be reinforced every now and then or people will start listening to some imitation Jesus or something.

Ergo "Look how well we're keeping you safe! We get the massacres before they're started!" Along with, of course, a Concerned Citizen who thought something somebody did "looked suspicious" and did his snitchly duty. And underlying it all is Big Fear: "See what horrible things would happen to you if you stop giving us so much power and money?!?"

He could have just planned to build a mosque near "Ground Zero," but that's getting tired.

Then too there's this, from a Star Tribune article:

"We have escaped what could have been a horrific experience. We can either believe this occurred because of a lucky break or, as I do, choose to believe that God was looking out for all of us."

And God's chosen agents are the Police. Mark that.

Alphax: Skr: This is his second chance at life, no way he would have lived through all that. Hope he gets the help he so obviously needs.

In America?  Likely he'll be sent to prison, to be passed around like a joint.

For being a pathetic loser who can't use a calendar, among other things, and then blabs everything to police to make sure we know who he is.

A pathetic mastermind for a pathetic public. Sheesh.

Now you brain-starved masses can go back to shaming Lindsay Lohan for just wanting to have fun. "She drinks! She goes to trendy clubs! She has sex! How totally unlike us that evil woman is!"


Lindsey Lohan is legit crazy. If it were drinking or sex, she'd be totally sane. The rest of your post is equally as unenlightened as that part and isn't worth responding to.
 
2014-05-02 07:56:18 AM  

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Gun safe in his room suggests the parents knew he had the weapons. I mean, if no one knows you have them there's not much need for a safe, is there?

[media.liveauctiongroup.net image 850x850]
One of these?


That, and the hunting photo on his Facebook page.  I'm thinking that the firearms were probably purchased by the parents for the intent of hunting, and he decided to use them for a more nefarious purpose.  Ammo ain't cheap nowadays, and it's hard to build up a stockpile unnoticed.  That is, unless the parents are completely clueless.
 
2014-05-02 08:01:29 AM  

CivicMindedFive: August11: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Gun safe in his room suggests the parents knew he had the weapons. I mean, if no one knows you have them there's not much need for a safe, is there?

[media.liveauctiongroup.net image 850x850]
One of these?

What is the fourth one down?

Looks like the shorter version of the Mosin-Nagant.


It's a Mosin-Nagant M44. They scaled-down the M91/30 for urban combat.

/love the Mosin
//7.62x54R is cheap and fun to shoot
 
2014-05-02 08:01:56 AM  
So....how long before people want to ban Call of Duty because it's influencing kids


/not because its the same game every year like Madden
 
2014-05-02 08:03:31 AM  

pinchpoint: The One True TheDavid: An underpowered pistol bullet taking down a big deer?

.308Win is an underpowered pistol round?


They're confusing the Springfield M1a (which is an M-14 clone firing the .308) with an M1 Carbine (of which the .30 ammo is fairly underpowered).

Of course, it's all "gun semantics".  People TRULY concerned with safety don't let themselves be confused by minutiae like "facts".  For example, from the recently ought-to-be published, Dianne Feinstein's Big Book of Guns That Will Kill Your Children:

i115.photobucket.com
 
2014-05-02 08:03:47 AM  
"LaDue also said he had an assault rifle, a number of handguns and..."


Well there's his problem. He should have gotten assault handguns.
 
2014-05-02 08:04:18 AM  

eagles95: So....how long before people want to ban Call of Duty because it's influencing kids


/not because its the same game every year like Madden


If it's influencing kids, it's making them less violent:

pages.cmns.sfu.ca
 
2014-05-02 08:05:16 AM  

FightDirector: pinchpoint: The One True TheDavid: An underpowered pistol bullet taking down a big deer?

.308Win is an underpowered pistol round?

They're confusing the Springfield M1a (which is an M-14 clone firing the .308) with an M1 Carbine (of which the .30 ammo is fairly underpowered).


Oh, alternate interpretation:  TFA mentions the kid had a .22.  They might be thinking the rifle in the picture is chambered in that rather than the .308.

/these things always occur to me after I've hit "Add Comment" and before the page refreshes.
 
2014-05-02 08:06:40 AM  
August11
2014-05-02 07:08:28 AM

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Gun safe in his room suggests the parents knew he had the weapons. I mean, if no one knows you have them there's not much need for a safe, is there?

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One of these?

What is the fourth one down?

Mosin nagan m44

The One True TheDavid

An underpowered pistol bullet taking down a big deer? Must have been a lucky shot.

You think that rifle fires an "underpowered pistol" caliber?


CivicMindedFive
2014-05-02 07:41:24 AM

August11: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Gun safe in his room suggests the parents knew he had the weapons. I mean, if no one knows you have them there's not much need for a safe, is there?

[media.liveauctiongroup.net image 850x850]


>>>What is the fourth one down?

Looks like the shorter version of the Mosin-Nagant.
No, it IS a Mosin Nagant m44.
 
2014-05-02 08:11:08 AM  

FightDirector: They're confusing the Springfield M1a (which is an M-14 clone firing the .308) with an M1 Carbine (of which the .30 ammo is fairly underpowered).


The .30 Carbine round isn't *THAT* underpowered:  It's got twice the muzzle energy of a +P 9mm Parabellum, which I think we all agree isn't something to sneeze at.

When used with the proper bullets, it makes an OK short range deer round.  Not spectacular, but certainly good enough.
 
2014-05-02 08:12:24 AM  

pinchpoint: //7.62x54R is cheap and fun to shoot


Not for long....

/Well, it'll always be fun to shoot.
 
2014-05-02 08:17:29 AM  
This is clearly government stopping a law-abiding citizen from exercising his 2nd amendment rights. Until he actually starts killing people, he's a good guy with a gun.
 
2014-05-02 08:19:00 AM  

cameroncrazy1984: The One True TheDavid: fusillade762: Where the F*CK are this kid's parents??

Where should they be? He's seventeen (17) years old. By them most kids have outgrown the dog kennels. And them durn libruls done made chaining them in the basement illegal, of all things.

I know: let's implant tiny devices in people's heads that will tell The Proper Authorities what they're doing and thinking every second, including not only a GPS tracker but also a Voice Of Authority that will tell them to stop right here and turn themselves in just in case Concerned Citizen has thought they "look suspicious" yet.

Lsherm: "Once there, detectives say LaDue detailed an elaborate plot that started with murdering his mother, father and sister with a .22 caliber firearm. LaDue then planned to go to a remote area outside Waseca to start fires that would pull first responders out of town. At that time, investigators say, LaDue planned to go to the middle and high school campus during lunch and set off pressure cooker bombs to kill students. When the school police liaison officer responded, LaDue planned to shoot him, and then open fire on more students."

A+ for ambition.  He thought through more things than most school shooters do.

Wasn't most of this in at least one movie?

SpdrJay: Oh, so were arresting people for just planning to bomb and kill now????

Thought-crime 1984, anyone?

Lots of people need an excuse to let The Authorities do their thinking for them. Big Fear is one such. But it's got to be reinforced every now and then or people will start listening to some imitation Jesus or something.

Ergo "Look how well we're keeping you safe! We get the massacres before they're started!" Along with, of course, a Concerned Citizen who thought something somebody did "looked suspicious" and did his snitchly duty. And underlying it all is Big Fear: "See what horrible things would happen to you if you stop giving us so much power and money?!?"

He could have just planned to build a mosque near ...


Do you know what is scary?

The past two weeks you and I have always agreed in principle in every thread in which we have both been part
 
2014-05-02 08:20:22 AM  
people are broken #293374756
 
2014-05-02 08:29:33 AM  
Why only 4 counts of attempted first degree murder. I get that he wanted to kill mother,father, sister, police liaison. He however also wanted to kill as many other students as he could. Why didn't they charge him with counts for everyone who would have been in the school.

This little asshole wasn't going for revenge he was going for fame. He was a 17 year old wanting to shoot up an elementary school.

/I blame the Old Testament. No one can read about a god who turns all the members of a town into pillars of salt or floods the entire earth killing everyone except his chosen few and not become a violent sociopath. When will churches stop allowing children to partake in this mind altering pastime.
 
2014-05-02 08:36:58 AM  

Subtle_Canary: Dude was a moron. First responders to a fire aren't the same as the first responders to a school shooting. Starting a fire wouldn't have impacted the response time of a tactical unit making him eat his own bullet by even a minute. If anything, it would hasten it because radio traffic would have other officers more attentive.

There's planning, and then there is PROPER planning. This arse clown had a lot of complicated bullshiat that was counter intuitive to his 'goal'. Doesn't matter how well you plan something if that plan is faulty. you just have a well planned failure at that point.


Waseca isn't that big (20,000 maybe), so let's not assume their PD is particularly huge.
 
2014-05-02 08:41:50 AM  

CraicBaby: I want to know how a 17 yr old was able to get those guns and all that ammo.


Out here in the Mid-West and Great Lakes, at least away from urban areas, even many of our liberals are staunch gun owner and hunters so for a 17yr Minnesotans to get his hands on a bunch of guns and ammo isn't that hard to do also, since being over 16 in Minnesota, he can make most of his gun purchases himself as long as their not handguns or "assault/military" type weapons..
 
2014-05-02 08:45:44 AM  

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Gun safe in his room suggests the parents knew he had the weapons. I mean, if no one knows you have them there's not much need for a safe, is there?

[media.liveauctiongroup.net image 850x850]
One of these?


I own two of those but I won't be shopoting up anything more than clay targets, old servers, and tannerite.

/clays make great targets.  Easy to see and they shadoobie shatter
 
2014-05-02 08:46:20 AM  

SpdrJay: Oh, so were arresting people for just planning to bomb and kill now????

Thought-crime 1984, anyone?


Except he had already planted some bombs at the school.

The investigation began March 24, when melting snow revealed a pair of devices on the Hartley Elementary School playground in Waseca. Police say one of the devices had detonated while the second had failed to ignite.
Four days later a third device was found inside of a stuffed toy. It was already detonated.


Now granted, it sounds like these 'bombs' may have not been much more then glorified firecrackers, but he obviously has some sort of mental malfunction.
 
2014-05-02 08:48:49 AM  
Gotta wonder who molested him.
 
2014-05-02 08:51:46 AM  
And the lady in green says, "That's not how any of this works."

Kid already went past his intended "Do Date".
Entire fiasco is the story supposedly given to cops while grilling the kid.
These local cops are religiosis nutbirds.

As the media dies off, exactly what laws did this kid break?
 
2014-05-02 08:54:55 AM  
Ban guns. Problem solved.
 
2014-05-02 08:55:11 AM  

GodComplex: Huh, I thought this sounded familiar.

http://www.kare11.com/story/news/local/2014/03/29/explosives-found-o n- waseca-school-playground/7055059/


Yeah, I remember the Fark thread about that at the time... Most people figured it was just kids playing with firecrackers... Oops, I guess not!
 
2014-05-02 08:55:25 AM  

you are a puppet: zarker: It does make me kinda happy to think about how, wow, we could've heard about a farking horrible thing in a week, and now we won't. Sometimes the world is an okay place

This was a diversionary arrest. The real killer will strike next week.
At least that's how it would go down on Homeland.


And the real target is the hospice/bingo hall
 
2014-05-02 08:55:38 AM  

Inigo: He's the Peter Molyneux of school shooters.


.... Wow ....
Really glad no one was hurt because I don't feel bad at ALL for laughing at this.
 
2014-05-02 08:55:45 AM  

dittybopper: eagles95: So....how long before people want to ban Call of Duty because it's influencing kids


/not because its the same game every year like Madden

If it's influencing kids, it's making them less violent:

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I wonder if that downward tick in the early 2000's was when we shipped those boys off to 'Nam?

/I say it's due to that Rock And/Or Roll "music".
 
2014-05-02 08:56:00 AM  
New news; With enough fear mongering, you can fool most all of the people, most always.

People, get a grip.
 
2014-05-02 08:57:36 AM  

BeerGraduate: Ban guns. Problem solved.


Really?
 
2014-05-02 08:58:21 AM  
school liaison officer Jared Chrz

Your last name has no vowels... WTF?
 
2014-05-02 08:59:30 AM  

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: BeerGraduate: Ban guns. Problem solved.

Really?


I'd rather escape a knife fight than a shooting spree
 
2014-05-02 09:01:06 AM  

skygod: Friction8r: Sounds like another undereducated young Fark lib voter to me. Part of the FECKLESS crowd.

You are stupidity, stuffed in idiocy, all stuffed inside a giant dumb. You are the turducken of stupid.


But, does he taste good?
 
2014-05-02 09:02:03 AM  

BeerGraduate: Ban guns. Problem solved.


Which problem would that be?
 
2014-05-02 09:04:37 AM  

Lt. Cheese Weasel: BeerGraduate: Ban guns. Problem solved.

Which problem would that be?


Mass shootings, obviously
 
2014-05-02 09:06:11 AM  

snocone: And the lady in green says, "That's not how any of this works."

Kid already went past his intended "Do Date".
Entire fiasco is the story supposedly given to cops while grilling the kid.
These local cops are religiosis nutbirds.

As the media dies off, exactly what laws did this kid break?


That's already been covered.  He has already detonated explosive devices as well as built others.  That's a major no-no.
 
2014-05-02 09:07:22 AM  

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: SpdrJay: Oh, so were arresting people for just planning to bomb and kill now????

Thought-crime 1984, anyone?

Except he had already planted some bombs at the school.

The investigation began March 24, when melting snow revealed a pair of devices on the Hartley Elementary School playground in Waseca. Police say one of the devices had detonated while the second had failed to ignite.
Four days later a third device was found inside of a stuffed toy. It was already detonated.

Now granted, it sounds like these 'bombs' may have not been much more then glorified firecrackers, but he obviously has some sort of mental malfunction.


What if Alanis Morrisette's song "Ironic" was actually properly named due to the fact that it contained no true examples of literary irony?
 
2014-05-02 09:09:49 AM  

Brosephus: snocone: And the lady in green says, "That's not how any of this works."

Kid already went past his intended "Do Date".
Entire fiasco is the story supposedly given to cops while grilling the kid.
These local cops are religiosis nutbirds.

As the media dies off, exactly what laws did this kid break?

That's already been covered.  He has already detonated explosive devices as well as built others.  That's a major no-no.


Not so much.
You call that an "explosive"?
HaHa

I have thrown much more effective "explosives" off of the Washington Ave Bridge. And so did most of the chemistry class.
 
2014-05-02 09:11:12 AM  

The One True TheDavid: Lsherm: "Once there, detectives say LaDue detailed an elaborate plot that started with murdering his mother, father and sister with a .22 caliber firearm. LaDue then planned to go to a remote area outside Waseca to start fires that would pull first responders out of town. At that time, investigators say, LaDue planned to go to the middle and high school campus during lunch and set off pressure cooker bombs to kill students. When the school police liaison officer responded, LaDue planned to shoot him, and then open fire on more students."

A+ for ambition.  He thought through more things than most school shooters do.


Wasn't most of this in at least one movie?


Not sure about school shootings, but the big distraction is Boyd Crowder's M.O. on Justified.  Blow up something outside of town and then rob a bank when the cops/firemen respond to the explosion.
 
2014-05-02 09:13:11 AM  

The One True TheDavid: Subtle_Canary: rattchett: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: What's he got here?

[previous.presstv.ir image 650x365]
The gun, not the animal.
 M-14.

Springfield M1a. So his parents have money to throw around. Most teens aren't hunting with 2000 dollars worth of nostalgic gun wankery

An underpowered pistol bullet taking down a big deer? Must have been a lucky shot. Hell, it could be anything, it's a common style. And a good gimmick: they make shotguns that look like AK 47s too.

By the way, ain't that photo sweet? It's almost like the dead deer is a pet now.



It is most likely an M-14 or clone.  the M-1a doesn't have a bottom loading magazine,  it uses a top loading clip.

Interesting if this is the kid then Weaseca is in Shotgun zone, so this picture would have to have been taken up north somewhere.
 
2014-05-02 09:22:40 AM  

pinchpoint: The One True TheDavid:

An underpowered pistol bullet taking down a big deer?

.308Win is an underpowered pistol round?


I got it mixed up with the M-1 Carbine. See me being corrected above.

Golly. I'm a failure as a "GUN NUT."
 
2014-05-02 09:24:24 AM  
"Waseca" has one of those strange, almost-fake-sounding place names that are so common with tragic events.  It's fortunate that it didn't get turned into the name of an event instead of just a place.
 
2014-05-02 09:26:32 AM  

TheManMythLegend: The One True TheDavid: Subtle_Canary: rattchett: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: What's he got here?

[previous.presstv.ir image 650x365]
The gun, not the animal.
 M-14.

Springfield M1a. So his parents have money to throw around. Most teens aren't hunting with 2000 dollars worth of nostalgic gun wankery

An underpowered pistol bullet taking down a big deer? Must have been a lucky shot. Hell, it could be anything, it's a common style. And a good gimmick: they make shotguns that look like AK 47s too.

By the way, ain't that photo sweet? It's almost like the dead deer is a pet now.


It is most likely an M-14 or clone.  the M-1a doesn't have a bottom loading magazine,  it uses a top loading clip.

Interesting if this is the kid then Weaseca is in Shotgun zone, so this picture would have to have been taken up north somewhere.


You're confusing an M1a with a M1 Garand, which are quite similar.  A major difference is the M1a uses a detachable magazine while the M1 uses an en-bloc clip.
 
2014-05-02 09:31:14 AM  

pinchpoint: /love the Mosin
//7.62x54R is cheap and fun to shoot


Bud's sells the long Mosin Nagants for $149.99 but you need special arrangements to fire it in their range even with $1 a round soft-core ammo. It's like they don't want their wall chipped away. How's a cheapo sposedta get to be a supersniper like the guy in that movie?

Some old Mosins come with sights to shoot down airplanes, being made back in the days of canvas & plywood Fokkers. They might work on those little drones too.
 
2014-05-02 09:31:36 AM  

Satanus Maximus: This might as well have happened anyway as no one from the school or family noticed anything going on with this kid.  Would've been a different outcome if that storage unit person didn't give a shiat about the kid.

Anyway, who the fark writes their whole plan for destruction in a journal anyway?


Someone who wants, at the very least, his parents to catch him. I suspect he gets everything he wants from mommy and daddy but attention.  Sounds like he wasn't too bummed about the cops catching him either. I bet suspect he would have kept "planning" until he got caught. I wouldn't take that bet though, there's always a chance he would have given up waiting and followed through.
 
2014-05-02 09:31:57 AM  

BeerGraduate: Lt. Cheese Weasel: BeerGraduate: Ban guns. Problem solved.

Which problem would that be?

Mass shootings, obviously


You seem sure about that.  It's almost as if you truly believe that people who want to kill others won't do it because there is a law that says they can't have guns.  It's so cute. You're a special kind of stupid, aren't you?
 
2014-05-02 09:34:16 AM  

The One True TheDavid: fusillade762: Where the F*CK are this kid's parents??

Where should they be? He's seventeen (17) years old. By them most kids have outgrown the dog kennels. And them durn libruls done made chaining them in the basement illegal, of all things.

I know: let's implant tiny devices in people's heads that will tell The Proper Authorities what they're doing and thinking every second, including not only a GPS tracker but also a Voice Of Authority that will tell them to stop right here and turn themselves in just in case Concerned Citizen has thought they "look suspicious" yet.

Lsherm: "Once there, detectives say LaDue detailed an elaborate plot that started with murdering his mother, father and sister with a .22 caliber firearm. LaDue then planned to go to a remote area outside Waseca to start fires that would pull first responders out of town. At that time, investigators say, LaDue planned to go to the middle and high school campus during lunch and set off pressure cooker bombs to kill students. When the school police liaison officer responded, LaDue planned to shoot him, and then open fire on more students."

A+ for ambition.  He thought through more things than most school shooters do.

Wasn't most of this in at least one movie?

SpdrJay: Oh, so were arresting people for just planning to bomb and kill now????

Thought-crime 1984, anyone?

Lots of people need an excuse to let The Authorities do their thinking for them. Big Fear is one such. But it's got to be reinforced every now and then or people will start listening to some imitation Jesus or something.

Ergo "Look how well we're keeping you safe! We get the massacres before they're started!" Along with, of course, a Concerned Citizen who thought something somebody did "looked suspicious" and did his snitchly duty. And underlying it all is Big Fear: "See what horrible things would happen to you if you stop giving us so much power and money?!?"

He could have just planned to build a mosque near "Ground Zero," but that's getting tired.

Then too there's this, from a Star Tribune article:

"We have escaped what could have been a horrific experience. We can either believe this occurred because of a lucky break or, as I do, choose to believe that God was looking out for all of us."

And God's chosen agents are the Police. Mark that.

Alphax: Skr: This is his second chance at life, no way he would have lived through all that. Hope he gets the help he so obviously needs.

In America?  Likely he'll be sent to prison, to be passed around like a joint.

For being a pathetic loser who can't use a calendar, among other things, and then blabs everything to police to make sure we know who he is.

A pathetic mastermind for a pathetic public. Sheesh.

Now you brain-starved masses can go back to shaming Lindsay Lohan for just wanting to have fun. "She drinks! She goes to trendy clubs! She has sex! How totally unlike us that evil woman is!"


You forgot to take your lithium.
 
2014-05-02 09:36:22 AM  
"He says he believes LaDue would have succeeded if he had not been caught."

Made it thru 100 commens and didn't see anyone point out "no sh*t sherlock" comment from police. If this is the caliber of police officer in the town it could have been real bad!
 
2014-05-02 09:36:29 AM  

Lt. Cheese Weasel: BeerGraduate: Lt. Cheese Weasel: BeerGraduate: Ban guns. Problem solved.

Which problem would that be?

Mass shootings, obviously

You seem sure about that.  It's almost as if you truly believe that people who want to kill others won't do it because there is a law that says they can't have guns.  It's so cute. You're a special kind of stupid, aren't you?


.38 Special, apparently.
 
2014-05-02 09:37:55 AM  

TheManMythLegend: The One True TheDavid: Subtle_Canary: rattchett: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: What's he got here?

[previous.presstv.ir image 650x365]
The gun, not the animal.
 M-14.

Springfield M1a. So his parents have money to throw around. Most teens aren't hunting with 2000 dollars worth of nostalgic gun wankery

An underpowered pistol bullet taking down a big deer? Must have been a lucky shot. Hell, it could be anything, it's a common style. And a good gimmick: they make shotguns that look like AK 47s too.

By the way, ain't that photo sweet? It's almost like the dead deer is a pet now.


It is most likely an M-14 or clone.  the M-1a doesn't have a bottom loading magazine,  it uses a top loading clip.

Interesting if this is the kid then Weaseca is in Shotgun zone, so this picture would have to have been taken up north somewhere.


Heh heh man I'm having a good chuckle today
 
2014-05-02 09:37:55 AM  

TheManMythLegend: It is most likely an M-14 or clone.  the M-1a doesn't have a bottom loading magazine,  it uses a top loading clip.


Epic Gun Nut Fail.

You are thinking of the M-1 Garand.

The M-1a is the civilian, non-select fire version of the M-14.  So yes, the M-1a *DOES* have a removable box magazine, whereas the M-1 loads with an enbloc clip.
 
2014-05-02 09:46:17 AM  

rattchett: TheManMythLegend: The One True TheDavid: Subtle_Canary: rattchett: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: What's he got here?

[previous.presstv.ir image 650x365]
The gun, not the animal.
 M-14.

Springfield M1a. So his parents have money to throw around. Most teens aren't hunting with 2000 dollars worth of nostalgic gun wankery

An underpowered pistol bullet taking down a big deer? Must have been a lucky shot. Hell, it could be anything, it's a common style. And a good gimmick: they make shotguns that look like AK 47s too.

By the way, ain't that photo sweet? It's almost like the dead deer is a pet now.


It is most likely an M-14 or clone.  the M-1a doesn't have a bottom loading magazine,  it uses a top loading clip.

Interesting if this is the kid then Weaseca is in Shotgun zone, so this picture would have to have been taken up north somewhere.

You're confusing an M1a with a M1 Garand, which are quite similar.  A major difference is the M1a uses a detachable magazine while the M1 uses an en-bloc clip.



You're right,  what I was reading wasn't syncing up with my thoughts.
 
2014-05-02 09:48:10 AM  

dkulprit: "He says he believes LaDue would have succeeded if he had not been caught."

Made it thru 100 commens and didn't see anyone point out "no sh*t sherlock" comment from police. If this is the caliber of police officer in the town it could have been real bad!



There is a prison located in Waseca,  so it wouldn't be out of the question for them to have some police resources out of the ordinary from a typical small town.
 
2014-05-02 09:50:56 AM  
It sounds like more of a cry for attention than an actual plot to kill anyone. You don't just sprinkle around "explosive devices" weeks or months before your attack if you don't want to get caught. Also, he really sucks at bomb-making if he can't even blow up a stuffed animal.
 
2014-05-02 09:53:07 AM  
His facebook page is still up. Korn, Linkin Park, Terminator, Commando, Child's Play, Halloween, Arnold, Stallone, Shooting and Guns.
 
2014-05-02 09:55:11 AM  

TheManMythLegend: dkulprit: "He says he believes LaDue would have succeeded if he had not been caught."

Made it thru 100 commens and didn't see anyone point out "no sh*t sherlock" comment from police. If this is the caliber of police officer in the town it could have been real bad!


There is a prison located in Waseca,  so it wouldn't be out of the question for them to have some police resources out of the ordinary from a typical small town.


Near the Valley of the Jolly Green Giant.
Could always call for backup.
 
2014-05-02 09:57:57 AM  

Prince George: Satanus Maximus: This might as well have happened anyway as no one from the school or family noticed anything going on with this kid.  Would've been a different outcome if that storage unit person didn't give a shiat about the kid.

Anyway, who the fark writes their whole plan for destruction in a journal anyway?

Someone who wants, at the very least, his parents to catch him. I suspect he gets everything he wants from mommy and daddy but attention.  Sounds like he wasn't too bummed about the cops catching him either. I bet suspect he would have kept "planning" until he got caught. I wouldn't take that bet though, there's always a chance he would have given up waiting and followed through.


Not necessarily. Eric Harris kept a journal on his computer and even made a video, which he purposely left on the kitchen counter the day of the shooting. He didn't want to be caught, which is why it wasn't found until after the shooting, when the cops went through his computer. Harris was a clinical psychopath with a superiority complex who saw all other humans as inferior and who needed to be wiped out.
 
2014-05-02 09:59:43 AM  

rattchett: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: What's he got here?

[previous.presstv.ir image 650x365]
The gun, not the animal.
 M-14.


Actually, that was the deer's gun. His is off camera.
 
2014-05-02 10:00:09 AM  

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: The One True TheDavid: Subtle_Canary: rattchett: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: What's he got here?

[previous.presstv.ir image 650x365]
The gun, not the animal.
 M-14.

Springfield M1a. So his parents have money to throw around. Most teens aren't hunting with 2000 dollars worth of nostalgic gun wankery

An underpowered pistol bullet taking down a big deer? Must have been a lucky shot. Hell, it could be anything, it's a common style. And a good gimmick: they make shotguns that look like AK 47s too.

By the way, ain't that photo sweet? It's almost like the dead deer is a pet now.

Bigger pic.

[stmedia.startribune.com image 850x576]


I would find it morbidly amusing if the deer were to reach back at that moment and pull the trigger.
 
2014-05-02 10:06:00 AM  
From his facebook pics.

scontent-a-dfw.xx.fbcdn.net
 
2014-05-02 10:10:06 AM  

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: The One True TheDavid: Subtle_Canary: rattchett: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: What's he got here?

[previous.presstv.ir image 650x365]
The gun, not the animal.
 M-14.

Springfield M1a. So his parents have money to throw around. Most teens aren't hunting with 2000 dollars worth of nostalgic gun wankery

An underpowered pistol bullet taking down a big deer? Must have been a lucky shot. Hell, it could be anything, it's a common style. And a good gimmick: they make shotguns that look like AK 47s too.

By the way, ain't that photo sweet? It's almost like the dead deer is a pet now.

Bigger pic.

[stmedia.startribune.com image 850x576]


Ok, I'm British and know nothing about guns, but should he be pointing the barrel towards himself like that?
 
2014-05-02 10:11:07 AM  

Lt. Cheese Weasel: BeerGraduate: Lt. Cheese Weasel: BeerGraduate: Ban guns. Problem solved.

Which problem would that be?

Mass shootings, obviously

You seem sure about that.  It's almost as if you truly believe that people who want to kill others won't do it because there is a law that says they can't have guns.  It's so cute. You're a special kind of stupid, aren't you?


Gah. I realize I shouldn't go here, but I'm going to. And bear in mind that I used to carry firearms professionally. I have qualified as an expert marksman with a bunch of things whose names start with "M-". My 76-year-old mother has a CFL. I like guns.

Having said that, what's your solution? At least the people who say "let's ban all guns" are offering something. There is- there has got to be- some sort of middle ground between "let's get rid of the damn things" and "Oh, well, what are you going to do about it?"

I'm sick of mass shootings. I'm also sick of hearing people calling for the disarmament of the nation after every mass shooting. But, I'm ALSO sick of hearing people say "Well, this is the greatest country in the world, but there's absolutely nothing we can do to prevent these mass shootings. They're just part of life. If we didn't have them, the killer would just use a trebuchet, halberd, and mace. There's no point in having this conversation, because it's an absolutely unsolvable problem" after every mass shooting.

Sorry about the rant. I just needed to get that off my chest.
 
2014-05-02 10:17:58 AM  

snocone: Brosephus: snocone: And the lady in green says, "That's not how any of this works."

Kid already went past his intended "Do Date".
Entire fiasco is the story supposedly given to cops while grilling the kid.
These local cops are religiosis nutbirds.

As the media dies off, exactly what laws did this kid break?

That's already been covered.  He has already detonated explosive devices as well as built others.  That's a major no-no.

Not so much.
You call that an "explosive"?
HaHa

I have thrown much more effective "explosives" off of the Washington Ave Bridge. And so did most of the chemistry class.


And how long ago was that?  Go throw much more effective "explosives" from that same bridge now and see what happens to you when you're caught.
 
2014-05-02 10:23:46 AM  

Gonz: Having said that, what's your solution? At least the people who say "let's ban all guns" are offering something.


An offer of stupidity based on non reality isn't a solution. It's just stupidity.

I don't have a solution Gonz.  So, I keep my guns clean and my knives sharp. People who want to break the law or commit murder are going to do it no matter what fairy tale is on the books as law. If guns laws work, explain Chicago.  Detroit. Memphis. etc...
 
2014-05-02 10:25:16 AM  
LaDue allegedly told authorities that he was fascinated by the school shootings at Sandy Hook, Virginia Tech and Columbine, and idolized Columbine shooters Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold.

Now where have I heard that before? Oh right.
"The reporter looked disappointed, so I offered her my theory. "Events like this," I said, "if they are influenced by anything, are influenced by news programs like your own. When an unbalanced kid walks into a school and starts shooting, it becomes a major media event. Cable news drops ordinary programming and goes around the clock with it. The story is assigned a logo and a theme song; these two kids were packaged as the Trench Coat Mafia. The message is clear to other disturbed kids around the country: If I shoot up my school, I can be famous. The TV will talk about nothing else but me. Experts will try to figure out what I was thinking. The kids and teachers at school will see they shouldn't have messed with me. I'll go out in a blaze of glory."

"In short, I said, events like Columbine are influenced far less by violent movies than by CNN, the NBC Nightly News and all the other news media, who glorify the killers in the guise of "explaining" them.

The reporter thanked me and turned off the camera. Of course the interview was never used. They found plenty of talking heads to condemn violent movies, and everybody was happy."
-- Roger Ebert of 'Siskel and Ebert'
 
2014-05-02 10:26:19 AM  

Brosephus: snocone: Brosephus: snocone: And the lady in green says, "That's not how any of this works."

Kid already went past his intended "Do Date".
Entire fiasco is the story supposedly given to cops while grilling the kid.
These local cops are religiosis nutbirds.

As the media dies off, exactly what laws did this kid break?

That's already been covered.  He has already detonated explosive devices as well as built others.  That's a major no-no.

Not so much.
You call that an "explosive"?
HaHa

I have thrown much more effective "explosives" off of the Washington Ave Bridge. And so did most of the chemistry class.

And how long ago was that?  Go throw much more effective "explosives" from that same bridge now and see what happens to you when you're caught.


I only said it 'cause of statute of limitations, you are correct.
But, I am sticking to my story of having nothing to do with blowing out the corner of the Chemistry building.
 
2014-05-02 10:27:33 AM  

generallyso: LaDue allegedly told authorities that he was fascinated by the school shootings at Sandy Hook, Virginia Tech and Columbine, and idolized Columbine shooters Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold.

Now where have I heard that before? Oh right.
"The reporter looked disappointed, so I offered her my theory. "Events like this," I said, "if they are influenced by anything, are influenced by news programs like your own. When an unbalanced kid walks into a school and starts shooting, it becomes a major media event. Cable news drops ordinary programming and goes around the clock with it. The story is assigned a logo and a theme song; these two kids were packaged as the Trench Coat Mafia. The message is clear to other disturbed kids around the country: If I shoot up my school, I can be famous. The TV will talk about nothing else but me. Experts will try to figure out what I was thinking. The kids and teachers at school will see they shouldn't have messed with me. I'll go out in a blaze of glory."

"In short, I said, events like Columbine are influenced far less by violent movies than by CNN, the NBC Nightly News and all the other news media, who glorify the killers in the guise of "explaining" them.

The reporter thanked me and turned off the camera. Of course the interview was never used. They found plenty of talking heads to condemn violent movies, and everybody was happy."
-- Roger Ebert of 'Siskel and Ebert'


So far, this kid has set off a firecracker.
Now look at him.

Wonderful!
 
2014-05-02 10:30:41 AM  

generallyso: LaDue allegedly told authorities that he was fascinated by the school shootings at Sandy Hook, Virginia Tech and Columbine, and idolized Columbine shooters Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold.

Now where have I heard that before? Oh right.
"The reporter looked disappointed, so I offered her my theory. "Events like this," I said, "if they are influenced by anything, are influenced by news programs like your own. When an unbalanced kid walks into a school and starts shooting, it becomes a major media event. Cable news drops ordinary programming and goes around the clock with it. The story is assigned a logo and a theme song; these two kids were packaged as the Trench Coat Mafia. The message is clear to other disturbed kids around the country: If I shoot up my school, I can be famous. The TV will talk about nothing else but me. Experts will try to figure out what I was thinking. The kids and teachers at school will see they shouldn't have messed with me. I'll go out in a blaze of glory."

"In short, I said, events like Columbine are influenced far less by violent movies than by CNN, the NBC Nightly News and all the other news media, who glorify the killers in the guise of "explaining" them.

The reporter thanked me and turned off the camera. Of course the interview was never used. They found plenty of talking heads to condemn violent movies, and everybody was happy."
-- Roger Ebert of 'Siskel and Ebert'


Mediots glorifying murderers and psychos and terrorists?

media-social.s-msn.com

No way.
 
2014-05-02 10:32:04 AM  

generallyso: LaDue allegedly told authorities that he was fascinated by the school shootings at Sandy Hook, Virginia Tech and Columbine, and idolized Columbine shooters Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold.

Now where have I heard that before? Oh right.
"The reporter looked disappointed, so I offered her my theory. "Events like this," I said, "if they are influenced by anything, are influenced by news programs like your own. When an unbalanced kid walks into a school and starts shooting, it becomes a major media event. Cable news drops ordinary programming and goes around the clock with it. The story is assigned a logo and a theme song; these two kids were packaged as the Trench Coat Mafia. The message is clear to other disturbed kids around the country: If I shoot up my school, I can be famous. The TV will talk about nothing else but me. Experts will try to figure out what I was thinking. The kids and teachers at school will see they shouldn't have messed with me. I'll go out in a blaze of glory."

"In short, I said, events like Columbine are influenced far less by violent movies than by CNN, the NBC Nightly News and all the other news media, who glorify the killers in the guise of "explaining" them.

The reporter thanked me and turned off the camera. Of course the interview was never used. They found plenty of talking heads to condemn violent movies, and everybody was happy."
-- Roger Ebert of 'Siskel and Ebert'


The rise of the mass shooting coincides quite nicely with the rise of cable news networks.

Prior to the likes of CNN, MSNBC, FoxNews, etc., we did have mass shootings, but they were less common despite guns laws that were much less strict at the federal level than they are today.
 
2014-05-02 10:36:47 AM  

Gonz: Lt. Cheese Weasel: BeerGraduate: Lt. Cheese Weasel: BeerGraduate: Ban guns. Problem solved.

Which problem would that be?

Mass shootings, obviously

You seem sure about that.  It's almost as if you truly believe that people who want to kill others won't do it because there is a law that says they can't have guns.  It's so cute. You're a special kind of stupid, aren't you?

Gah. I realize I shouldn't go here, but I'm going to. And bear in mind that I used to carry firearms professionally. I have qualified as an expert marksman with a bunch of things whose names start with "M-". My 76-year-old mother has a CFL. I like guns.

Having said that, what's your solution? At least the people who say "let's ban all guns" are offering something. There is- there has got to be- some sort of middle ground between "let's get rid of the damn things" and "Oh, well, what are you going to do about it?"

I'm sick of mass shootings. I'm also sick of hearing people calling for the disarmament of the nation after every mass shooting. But, I'm ALSO sick of hearing people say "Well, this is the greatest country in the world, but there's absolutely nothing we can do to prevent these mass shootings. They're just part of life. If we didn't have them, the killer would just use a trebuchet, halberd, and mace. There's no point in having this conversation, because it's an absolutely unsolvable problem" after every mass shooting.

Sorry about the rant. I just needed to get that off my chest.


There's really not much you can do. Most violence related issues are so complex there's no way we could realistically put a dent in them on a national scale. And every way we could wouldn't fly. We could restrict alcohol sales, we could force everyone to subject themselves to a mental health exam at 18, we could institute a negative income tax, etc.. But those solutions won't fit on a bumper sticker, so they're DOA.

The biggest problem with our attack on problems via prohibition is that it's attacking the supply side of violence, when we need to attack the demand side. But we've reached a partisan stalemate until one side manages to flank the other for better or worse.
 
2014-05-02 10:42:15 AM  

SonsoftheSod: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: The One True TheDavid: Subtle_Canary: rattchett: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: What's he got here?

[previous.presstv.ir image 650x365]
The gun, not the animal.
 M-14.

Springfield M1a. So his parents have money to throw around. Most teens aren't hunting with 2000 dollars worth of nostalgic gun wankery

An underpowered pistol bullet taking down a big deer? Must have been a lucky shot. Hell, it could be anything, it's a common style. And a good gimmick: they make shotguns that look like AK 47s too.

By the way, ain't that photo sweet? It's almost like the dead deer is a pet now.

Bigger pic.

[stmedia.startribune.com image 850x576]

Ok, I'm British and know nothing about guns, but should he be pointing the barrel towards himself like that?



Remember you're looking at something in 3D on a 2D picture,  the barrel is resting on the antlers,  that barrel could be more than a foot from his head.
 
2014-05-02 10:46:28 AM  
In other news, taking too long to open your storage door is now call for suspicion and a police response.

/jesus wept
//the terrorists win
///slashies
 
2014-05-02 10:50:02 AM  

snocone: Brosephus: snocone: Brosephus: snocone: And the lady in green says, "That's not how any of this works."

Kid already went past his intended "Do Date".
Entire fiasco is the story supposedly given to cops while grilling the kid.
These local cops are religiosis nutbirds.

As the media dies off, exactly what laws did this kid break?

That's already been covered.  He has already detonated explosive devices as well as built others.  That's a major no-no.

Not so much.
You call that an "explosive"?
HaHa

I have thrown much more effective "explosives" off of the Washington Ave Bridge. And so did most of the chemistry class.

And how long ago was that?  Go throw much more effective "explosives" from that same bridge now and see what happens to you when you're caught.

I only said it 'cause of statute of limitations, you are correct.
But, I am sticking to my story of having nothing to do with blowing out the corner of the Chemistry building.


LOL!!!  Potassium and water perhaps???  I think I gave my high school chemistry teacher a complex due to my questions regarding MacGyver episodes and other what ifs.
 
2014-05-02 10:50:19 AM  

Harry_Seldon: cman: I blame video games


Angry Birds fosters porcine hate crimes.


For you, it was a porcine hate crime. For me, it was breakfast.
 
2014-05-02 10:50:23 AM  
TheManMythLegend:
Remember you're looking at something in 3D on a 2D picture,  the barrel is resting on the antlers,  that barrel could be more than a foot from his head.

Ah, thanks.
 
2014-05-02 10:54:24 AM  
i141.photobucket.com
 
2014-05-02 10:54:52 AM  
The thing that makes school shootings so difficult to prevent is that there is no profile for a mass shooter. Criminal profilers have tried to come up with one that might help identify who has the potential to carry out a mass shooting, but there is no single profile that they all fit. Some are older, some are younger. Some are white, some aren't. Some came from good families, some came from messed-up families. Some had mental health issues, some didn't. Some were loners, some weren't. Some had criminal backgrounds, some had never had much more than a traffic ticket. Some have an accomplice, some act alone. Some were bullied, some were bullies themselves. There just is no way to predict who will be a mass shooter.
 
2014-05-02 10:57:32 AM  

Geoff Peterson: In other news, taking too long to open your storage door is now call for suspicion and a police response.

/jesus wept
//the terrorists win
///slashies


Chelsie Schellhas was washing dishes Tuesday night when she noticed a boy with a backpack and a fast-food bag walking through her back yard toward the nearby MiniMax Storage Units.
 
2014-05-02 10:58:40 AM  

CraicBaby: The thing that makes school shootings so difficult to prevent is that there is no profile for a mass shooter. Criminal profilers have tried to come up with one that might help identify who has the potential to carry out a mass shooting, but there is no single profile that they all fit. Some are older, some are younger. Some are white, some aren't. Some came from good families, some came from messed-up families. Some had mental health issues, some didn't. Some were loners, some weren't. Some had criminal backgrounds, some had never had much more than a traffic ticket. Some have an accomplice, some act alone. Some were bullied, some were bullies themselves. There just is no way to predict who will be a mass shooter.


They all have guns.
 
2014-05-02 10:59:21 AM  

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: CraicBaby: The thing that makes school shootings so difficult to prevent is that there is no profile for a mass shooter. Criminal profilers have tried to come up with one that might help identify who has the potential to carry out a mass shooting, but there is no single profile that they all fit. Some are older, some are younger. Some are white, some aren't. Some came from good families, some came from messed-up families. Some had mental health issues, some didn't. Some were loners, some weren't. Some had criminal backgrounds, some had never had much more than a traffic ticket. Some have an accomplice, some act alone. Some were bullied, some were bullies themselves. There just is no way to predict who will be a mass shooter.

They all have guns.


And, they breathe air.
 
2014-05-02 11:03:19 AM  

SonsoftheSod: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: The One True TheDavid: Subtle_Canary: rattchett: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: What's he got here?

[previous.presstv.ir image 650x365]
The gun, not the animal.
 M-14.

Springfield M1a. So his parents have money to throw around. Most teens aren't hunting with 2000 dollars worth of nostalgic gun wankery

An underpowered pistol bullet taking down a big deer? Must have been a lucky shot. Hell, it could be anything, it's a common style. And a good gimmick: they make shotguns that look like AK 47s too.

By the way, ain't that photo sweet? It's almost like the dead deer is a pet now.

Bigger pic.

[stmedia.startribune.com image 850x576]

Ok, I'm British and know nothing about guns, but should he be pointing the barrel towards himself like that?


No, he shouldn't. The barrel should be pointed at the ground.
 
2014-05-02 11:07:19 AM  

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: CraicBaby: The thing that makes school shootings so difficult to prevent is that there is no profile for a mass shooter. Criminal profilers have tried to come up with one that might help identify who has the potential to carry out a mass shooting, but there is no single profile that they all fit. Some are older, some are younger. Some are white, some aren't. Some came from good families, some came from messed-up families. Some had mental health issues, some didn't. Some were loners, some weren't. Some had criminal backgrounds, some had never had much more than a traffic ticket. Some have an accomplice, some act alone. Some were bullied, some were bullies themselves. There just is no way to predict who will be a mass shooter.

They all have guns.


If the next 5 or 6 mass killings are done with steak knives, does this mean we can't have steak? Cuz, my dog, he wants steak.
 
2014-05-02 12:28:50 PM  
Why do these mf'ers shoot up schools where honest, hard working, salt of the earth people work?

Why can't they go to a private country club or gated community and massacre douche bags born on third base, who think they hit triples?

// that's how you impress me, kids.
 
2014-05-02 12:29:45 PM  

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Geoff Peterson: In other news, taking too long to open your storage door is now call for suspicion and a police response.

/jesus wept
//the terrorists win
///slashies

Chelsie Schellhas was washing dishes Tuesday night when she noticed a boy with a backpack and a fast-food bag walking through her back yard toward the nearby MiniMax Storage Units.



Police were tipped off to the case two days earlier. Chelsie Shellhas called them about someone acting suspiciously at a storage facility.
"He shut the door, and I thought it looked funny, Because, normally, we see people come here, and it doesn't take them 10 minutes to open a storage shed, so that's why I called it in."


[why not both.jpg]
 
2014-05-02 12:36:42 PM  
the fact that he planned to kill his family is what first disappoints me,
and his target was an elementary school? the fool should attack the school administration, not the kids, and especially not kids that young. But who knows if what the news tells is the truth, maybe the want to make him look bad? there's all sorts of hearsay about the columbine shooters and just about every other school shooter. Propaganda to make them unrelateable/super evil.
you know that schools do nothing to protect kids that are targets for bullying, sometimes they even promote it, this is the result.
 
2014-05-02 12:42:37 PM  
I've always found it strange that we totally freak the fark out about shiat like this. I mean, come on! You've got a better chance getting hit by a train, on Tuesday the 29th of February, at 3 pm, while it's raining, on a pogo stick; than you do of getting killed in a shooting like this one.
 
2014-05-02 12:48:22 PM  

Friction8r: Sounds like another undereducated young Fark lib voter to me. Part of the FECKLESS crowd.


3.bp.blogspot.com

See what you did there

/Hopefully not obscure
 
2014-05-02 01:14:09 PM  

Lsherm: Once there, detectives say LaDue detailed an elaborate plot that started with murdering his mother, father and sister with a .22 caliber firearm. LaDue then planned to go to a remote area outside Waseca to start fires that would pull first responders out of town. At that time, investigators say, LaDue planned to go to the middle and high school campus during lunch and set off pressure cooker bombs to kill students. When the school police liaison officer responded, LaDue planned to shoot him, and then open fire on more students.

A+ for ambition.  He thought through more things than most school shooters do.


No more Adderall for that kid
 
2014-05-02 01:31:16 PM  

Marquis de Sod: Lsherm: Once there, detectives say LaDue detailed an elaborate plot that started with murdering his mother, father and sister with a .22 caliber firearm. LaDue then planned to go to a remote area outside Waseca to start fires that would pull first responders out of town. At that time, investigators say, LaDue planned to go to the middle and high school campus during lunch and set off pressure cooker bombs to kill students. When the school police liaison officer responded, LaDue planned to shoot him, and then open fire on more students.

A+ for ambition.  He thought through more things than most school shooters do.

No more Adderall for that kid


Have you checked the pharmacy purchases of your penal institutions lately?
 
2014-05-02 01:34:16 PM  

CraicBaby: I want to know how a 17 yr old was able to get those guns and all that ammo.


Are you kidding me? Your naivety is showing. The kid's 17 not an infant.
 
2014-05-02 02:04:01 PM  
pacified

Why do these mf'ers shoot up schools where honest, hard working, salt of the earth people work?

I've never seen an honest, or hardworking person at a school in...

.. ever.
 
2014-05-02 03:48:54 PM  
I hope he can get the serious mental help he needs. If he does and still thinks that doing this shiat was right I hope they put him down since he cant be around people ever again.
 
2014-05-02 04:11:37 PM  
Thank god the TSA is doing such a crack job at stopping terrorists.
 
2014-05-02 04:59:57 PM  
Well at least he will get some help and work through his issues with intensive counseling and monitoring.


J/K he'll be assaulted for a few years in prison and come out even more messed up.
 
2014-05-02 05:13:13 PM  

Gonz: Lt. Cheese Weasel: BeerGraduate: Lt. Cheese Weasel: BeerGraduate: Ban guns. Problem solved.

Which problem would that be?

Mass shootings, obviously

You seem sure about that.  It's almost as if you truly believe that people who want to kill others won't do it because there is a law that says they can't have guns.  It's so cute. You're a special kind of stupid, aren't you?

Gah. I realize I shouldn't go here, but I'm going to. And bear in mind that I used to carry firearms professionally. I have qualified as an expert marksman with a bunch of things whose names start with "M-". My 76-year-old mother has a CFL. I like guns.

Having said that, what's your solution? At least the people who say "let's ban all guns" are offering something. There is- there has got to be- some sort of middle ground between "let's get rid of the damn things" and "Oh, well, what are you going to do about it?"

I'm sick of mass shootings. I'm also sick of hearing people calling for the disarmament of the nation after every mass shooting. But, I'm ALSO sick of hearing people say "Well, this is the greatest country in the world, but there's absolutely nothing we can do to prevent these mass shootings. They're just part of life. If we didn't have them, the killer would just use a trebuchet, halberd, and mace. There's no point in having this conversation, because it's an absolutely unsolvable problem" after every mass shooting.

Sorry about the rant. I just needed to get that off my chest.


I realize that it's late enough in the thread you're never likely to read this, but here's the answer:

There are two *real* options.  Banning guns wholesale, or allowing them *mostly* unchecked (ie, what we have now, but with various levels of semantic).

The issue with the status quo (+/- a few specific semantic points) is pretty obvious: people are going to keep doing this shiat.  Clearly that is unacceptable.  The problem is that there is rationally NOTHING anyone can do to prevent any given person from picking up a firearm they own and saying "today, I'm gonna kill somebody".  The thing that prevents that is the person who owns the firearm...and when they're broken, that prevention method isn't gonna work.  The problem with correcting THAT issue is that there's no real way to stop somebody from doing things that doesn't involve a lot of dumb luck (see also: this kid in TFA) and/or shattering even the illusion of a "free society".  You'd have to have camera everywhere, including in homes, a massive monitoring algorithm, a much larger and more aggressive police force to be able to intercept somebody about to do something, and so forth. The solution becomes worse than the problem.

As for banning guns, there's one and only one way to make sure that they aren't a problem in the future.  You have to ban and confiscate EVERY firearm in the country.  Good farking luck.  Guns last 100+ years in firing condition with a modicum of care - just banning sales won't work.  You'll have a "remainder problem" of 300+ million modern firearms floating around even if you banned all gun sales today.  It's patently obvious by now that people aren't about to turn in their firearms voluntarily (see also: Connecticut Gun Ban), and if you go door-to-door you'll get through about 10 houses before the shooting actually starts.  Cops are refusing to do that duty (see also: Connecticut Gun Ban), and so you'd end up having to deploy the military against a civilian force that outnumbers them 50-1 AND are their friends, family,and neighbors.  Again, good farking luck.

Basically, we're in a hole.  There's no *good* way around the issue - no legislation is going to stop mass shootings as long as people have ANY access to modern firearms...but getting rid of the modern firearms is a literal impossibility (you'd have to get rid of the knowledge on how to make them too.  For the third time: good farking luck).  So we're just going to have to deal with it and rant towards one another on the internet until such time as aliens fly in instantly melt every gun on the planet, and erase the technical know-how of the last 800 years from the entirety of human consciousness.

Until then, I prefer the option that at least grants me the slim, almost infintesimal, chance of protecting myself if the unthinkable DOES happen near me.  Any odds are better than zero.
 
2014-05-02 05:46:30 PM  
FightDirector:

...There's no real way to stop somebody from doing things that doesn't involve a lot of dumb luck (see also: this kid in TFA) and/or shattering even the illusion of a "free society". You'd have to have camera everywhere, including in homes, a massive monitoring algorithm, a much larger and more aggressive police force to be able to intercept somebody about to do something, and so forth. The solution becomes worse than the problem.

"But if it saves ONE life..."
 
2014-05-02 05:47:38 PM  
There are still 4 billion too many people.
 
2014-05-02 06:22:10 PM  

FightDirector: There are two *real* options.


False dilemma.
 
2014-05-02 06:56:05 PM  
i.imgur.com
 
2014-05-02 08:01:42 PM  

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: FightDirector: There are two *real* options.

False dilemma.


Incorrect, and you're a farking idiot for trying.  There's a world of options in between them, but anything short of a complete ban and universal confiscation still leaves the possibility of a mass shooting open.  Deal with it.
 
2014-05-02 09:56:55 PM  

Harry_Seldon: cman: I blame video games


Angry Birds fosters porcine hate crimes.


Bacon fosters more porcine hate crimes than a bunch of birds. Or was it porcine love crimes...?
 
2014-05-02 11:18:38 PM  
His name has been released. It's John David LaDue.


FightDirector:
Nina_Hartley's_Ass: FightDirector: There are two *real* options.

False dilemma.

Incorrect, and you're a farking idiot for trying.  There's a world of options in between them, but anything short of a complete ban and universal confiscation still leaves the possibility of a mass shooting open.  Deal with it.

You're both wrong. The real solution is to find the underying cause(s) of why some people do these things, and address that. Guns are a symptom, not the cause. Remember, the worst-ever known-deliberate school massacre in all of U.S. history to date (the Bath School Massacre of Bath, WI, in May of 1927), whose body count = Columbine and Virginia Tech combined, didn't involve a single bullet fired at anyone (neither did any of the Top Seven [by body count] non-act-of-war mass murders on U.S. soil in all of U.S. history).

People talk about how silly it is to think that if there were no guns available, that mass murderers would simply use knives or clubs or axes or trebuchets instead. They point out how guns could kill many more victims in an incident than any of those could (with the possible exception of the trebuchet). Not so. The weapon of choice would become the one used in the aforementioned Bath School Massacre, and also the one used in the worst-ever non-act-of-war mass murder overall (namely, Oklahoma City [I consider 9/11 an act of war, otherwise it'd be #1 and the list would be the Top Eight, not Top Seven, since it, too, involved no bullets fired at anyone]): explosives (which LaDue had also planned on using), with arson fire also way up there (the #2 mass murder in U.S. history, namely, the Happy Land Night Club fire, and also the #1 school tragedy which may have been intentional, but likely was intentionally done but not intended to kill: the Our Lady of Angels school arson fire which killed mostly elementary school students [like Sandy Hook] than the Texas University Tower Sniper, Columbine, Virginia Tech, and Sandy Hook, all combined! Over 100 dead). Those can kill many times more people in a single incident by a single perpetrator than any firearm can.

I for one would very much like to know if LaDue had been treated recently for any psychiatric condition, with any psychotropic pharmaceutical, especially any Selective Serotonin Reuptake Inhibitor (SSRI). These and SNRIs as well have been connected to a disproportionately high number of such incidents.
 
2014-05-02 11:47:52 PM  

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: FightDirector: There are two *real* options.

False dilemma.


Did I live with you for two years in the '90s?
 
2014-05-03 12:03:56 AM  

COMALite J: I for one would very much like to know if LaDue had been treated recently for any psychiatric condition, with any psychotropic pharmaceutical, especially any Selective Serotonin Reuptake Inhibitor (SSRI). These and SNRIs as well have been connected to a disproportionately high number of such incidents.


In young people. I've been on SSRIs since age 29 (22 years ago) and it's greatly reduced my violent urges. I hardly even bother to hold grudges anymore let alone seriously consider murdering anybody. (In real life I just "click Ignore" on everybody but people I have to interact with, and them I don't take seriously.)

And booze just makes me calm & sleepy. By the way, because having to save up for uncovered medical devices means I can no longer afford decent beer, it's good to learn that powdered sugar dissolves pretty well in lemon juice and rum or vodka, thus sparing me the trouble of making simple syrup and making room for a couple more ice cubes. And let's face it, few things are as refreshing as lemonade. Yum yum. It'd probably be better to not keep a pitcher in the fridge though, my brain is getting more damaged just fine as it is.
 
2014-05-03 12:04:13 AM  

Friction8r: Sounds like another undereducated young Fark lib voter to me. Part of the FECKLESS crowd.


Pretty sure no 17-year-old is any kind of voter.
 
2014-05-03 09:48:33 AM  

ransack.: Friction8r: Sounds like another undereducated young Fark lib voter to me. Part of the FECKLESS crowd.

Pretty sure no 17-year-old is any kind of voter.


This ain't Chicago, ya know.
 
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