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(YouTube)   The bass player on many great hits and TV themes of the '60s was a largely overlooked session musician. From The Beat Goes On to the Munsters theme. And you never heard of her. . . wait, what? Her??   (youtube.com ) divider line
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2014-05-01 09:22:39 PM  
Correct I've never heard of her.
IMHO -bass players dont play with a pick.  Guitar players play bass with a pick.
 
2014-05-01 09:30:18 PM  

Frederick: Correct I've never heard of her.
IMHO -bass players dont play with a pick.  Guitar players play bass with a pick.


Aren't you the most adorable little ball of squirming self-satisfaction?

I've heard of her.  But then I give a shiat about women in music on a level other than whether I'd like to fark them.
 
2014-05-01 10:43:05 PM  
Great story
 
2014-05-01 11:53:24 PM  
You might be surprised to find out some of us do know who she is
 
2014-05-02 12:08:57 AM  

Frederick: Correct I've never heard of her.
IMHO -bass players dont play with a pick.  Guitar players play bass with a pick.


If you've never heard of Carol Kaye, you know very little about bass players. But by all means, do keep digging.
 
2014-05-02 12:21:37 AM  
For a look at that whole studio musician scene which she was a part of, see also: The Wrecking Crew
 
2014-05-02 12:25:36 AM  
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Her name is Carol Kaye.
 
2014-05-02 12:34:30 AM  

DrBenway: For a look at that whole studio musician scene which she was a part of, see also: The Wrecking Crew


I suppose I should have put "see" in quotation marks. But maybe that's finally going to change, if Wiki is accurate:

Production began in June 1996 and was completed in February 2008. The film played in film festivals in North America, and was the closing film at the Nashville Film Festival on April 24, 2008. A Kickstarter campaign at the end of 2013 raised over three hundred thousand dollars, and is expected to allow distribution of the film in June 2014.
 
2014-05-02 12:36:35 AM  

DrBenway: Frederick: Correct I've never heard of her.
IMHO -bass players dont play with a pick.  Guitar players play bass with a pick.

If you've never heard of Carol Kaye, you know very little about bass players. But by all means, do keep digging.


Thats a dumb thing to say.  Because, I've not heard of some session player, I know "very little" about bass players?  Almost all of her credits are from the '60's -over 40 years ago.  But go on, keep projecting.

I know more than the average music fan about bass.

/she's no James Jamerson
 
2014-05-02 01:30:43 AM  

Barfmaker: [x1.fjcdn.com image 640x269]

Her name is Carol Kaye.


I think I get it. When she's old and no longer working she gets to be famous? Her name is Carol Kaye.
 
2014-05-02 01:33:11 AM  
I started playing bass in the early 70s, and the Carol Kaye Bass Method was what most teachers taught from.

Yes, she uses a pick, but after all it's not a bass it's a bass guitar, and when she played in the 60s, the only strings available were flat wound which lack many of the dynamic characteristics of the currently popular round wound strings.
Without a pick, the instrument would lack the attack necessary to blend in percussively.

I toured for over 30 years doing pro sound mixing FOH, and occasionally working back line as I'm well versed in instrument repair, and yes, I've seen some of the best of them use a pick on occasion.
It's a matter of using the proper tool at the proper time.

Playing 8 string bass with your fingers for example, is just a sign of  being incompetent because you're not hitting the octave strings.

There is no "right" or "wrong" way of playing, and some of the best music has come from playing an instrument the "wrong" way.
Imagine if Hendrix turned his guitar down to avoid overloading the amp, which was frowned upon by most purists at the time.

For those of you that are saying she's doing it wrong, rack up a thousand album credits, and get back to me.
 
2014-05-02 01:57:59 AM  

Frederick: Correct I've never heard of her.
IMHO -bass players dont play with a pick.  Guitar players play bass with a pick.


I play bass with both a pick and without, as many songs were written to have the bass strings picked, or fingered. You'd be surprised to find out how many songs use a pick. Sometimes it's easy to hear the pick, other times not.

Chris Squire always used a pick, John Alderete uses a pick sometimes, Jaco never used a pick, John Myung uses a pick, John Freaking Entwhistle evern was known to use them. These are not people generally known for the guitar playing skills and being a bassist on the side.
 
2014-05-02 02:13:42 AM  
And she's not bad for a girl. Mmmmm.... boobcup.img2.hebus.com
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2014-05-02 02:24:10 AM  

nocturn: And she's not bad for a girl. Mmmmm.... boobcup.[img2.hebus.com image 750x563]
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Anyone who can play on the same stage with Jeff Beck is OK in my book.
 
2014-05-02 02:30:56 AM  
Very cool clip. Anyone who played on Mission: Impossible is my hero for life.

Add in that she played on The Streets of San Francisco (and possibly Barnaby Jones) and she's nearly deified in my estimation.
 
2014-05-02 02:34:24 AM  

Frederick: Correct I've never heard of her.
IMHO -bass players dont play with a pick.  Guitar players play bass with a pick.


Well, at least you were kind enough to admit you don't know shiat about bassists before sharing your opinion about bassists.
 
2014-05-02 02:45:16 AM  
I'm in the middle of binge rewatching the old Mission Impossible, so I'm getting a pick...
 
2014-05-02 02:49:46 AM  

I Like Bread: Frederick: Correct I've never heard of her.
IMHO -bass players dont play with a pick.  Guitar players play bass with a pick.

Well, at least you were kind enough to admit you don't know shiat about bassists before sharing your opinion about bassists.


I'm surprised you could use "kind" in a sentence since you dont know shiat about it.

/oh right, welcome to fark where if you disagree with someone it is reason enough to act like a jackass
 
2014-05-02 02:52:42 AM  

Frederick: MrBallou: Kickass bass playing has nothing to do with gender.

I made no gender comments.


Or pvicks. Leave my crush Benevolent Misanthrope alone, anyway.
 
2014-05-02 03:00:17 AM  

Frederick: I Like Bread: Frederick: Correct I've never heard of her.
IMHO -bass players dont play with a pick.  Guitar players play bass with a pick.

Well, at least you were kind enough to admit you don't know shiat about bassists before sharing your opinion about bassists.

I'm surprised you could use "kind" in a sentence since you dont know shiat about it.

/oh right, welcome to fark where if you disagree with someone it is reason enough to act like a jackass


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Or are you just really proud of that shovel?
 
2014-05-02 03:52:19 AM  
 
2014-05-02 04:09:52 AM  

nocturn: And she's not bad for a girl.


When I first saw Tal Wilkenfeld on Crossroads I thought 'Is she Jeff Beck's daughter?'
Then she played a solo that had Beck and his keyboard player grinning from ear to ear and daaaaaaamn.
She's also toured with Chick Corea, who is no slouch either. Wilkenfeld has skills.

As for Ms. Kaye using a pick, I think that if you're a studio musician, a member of the Wrecking Crew, and making more money than the president of the United States, you are probably doing it right.

Thank you, subby, for sharing your find. Very nice.
 
Al!
2014-05-02 05:01:37 AM  

Frederick: Correct I've never heard of her.
IMHO -bass players dont play with a pick.  Guitar players play bass with a pick.


lmao.  So, bass keyboard?  Bass drum?  Alto sax?  Tuba?  Sure, there are all sorts of bass players who never play with a pick.  Most bass guitar players play with a pick on occasions.  All of the ones I know at least dabble with a pick on occasions, and I know a LOT of bass players.
 
2014-05-02 05:23:27 AM  

Frederick: I Like Bread: Frederick: Correct I've never heard of her.
IMHO -bass players dont play with a pick.  Guitar players play bass with a pick.

Well, at least you were kind enough to admit you don't know shiat about bassists before sharing your opinion about bassists.

I'm surprised you could use "kind" in a sentence since you dont know shiat about it.

/oh right, welcome to fark where if you disagree with someone it is reason enough to act like a jackass


You're hardly in a position to bark at anyone.  You outed yourself with your first statement, then made a silly, unfounded pronouncement about an instrument you obviously know hardly anything about with your second.  See, it's not the fact that you said one or the other, it's the fact that you said both of them together, which made it clear that you're a poser and nothing more.  If you knew anything about bass players, you wouldn't have said either one.

You do know that "the bass" is a bass guitar, right?  Just checking.

I have you tagged as the utterer of several other stupid things, so this one hardly surprises me.  How about you go away and let the adults talk now?
 
2014-05-02 06:15:04 AM  
I never used a pick but I haven't dropped my fingers yet.
 
2014-05-02 07:27:20 AM  
I would loved it if she had played munsters theme or addams family, I love stories like this, like that time when they showed a trailer for the voices behind cartoons, especially that old woman that did the squirrel on bullwinkle.
 
2014-05-02 07:34:10 AM  
a) Carol Kaye is a legend.

b) pick vs fingers really depends on personal preference. Each technique has a different tonal quality and plenty of bassists who can play anyone in this thread off the stage use a pick.
 
2014-05-02 07:44:38 AM  
Personally I play bass without a pick, mainly because I can't play what I do if I used a pick... but that's about the only reason.

Who cares ...play with your farking toes if it sounds good.
 
2014-05-02 07:51:15 AM  
Cool Lady.  In a lot of Beach Boys studio outtakes you can hear Brian on the talkback saying things like "Come in harder for the chorus, Carol."

/cool lady
 
2014-05-02 07:54:59 AM  
Didn't she also try to take credit for a few of Jamerson's bass lines?
 
2014-05-02 08:28:26 AM  
 
2014-05-02 08:40:27 AM  
Jimi Hendricks was a studio musician - you had to be damn good to be a session person - Carol is/was one of the best
 
2014-05-02 08:59:03 AM  
People who don't know Carol Kaye's body of work haven't been paying attention. The whole wrecking crew for that matter.
 
2014-05-02 09:02:59 AM  
Carol Kaye is the reason I don't finger with my ring finger.I believe it's saved me from a lot of pain and Carpal Tunnel Syndrome
 
2014-05-02 09:09:22 AM  
Rock on, bass woman.
 
2014-05-02 09:21:44 AM  

TommyymmoT: nocturn: And she's not bad for a girl. Mmmmm.... boobcup.[img2.hebus.com image 750x563]
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Anyone who can play on the same stage with Jeff Beck is OK in my book.


Bad news if you only like Tal for her looks. She has been able to afford bigger sandwiches since she has been playing these high profile gigs. But she still plays good tho:
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2014-05-02 09:23:26 AM  
i've known of carol kaye for a long time, submitter.

but, yes, speaking of female bass players, MOAR TAL WILKENFELD PLEEZ

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2014-05-02 09:32:48 AM  
RE: picks v. fingers

When I was learning the bass in 1977 I was taught both finger style and picks. In fact the best picks for bass were made of nickel.

So it is without a doubt legitimate. It is all about the tone you are after.

Tony would agree:
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2014-05-02 09:43:33 AM  
ignacio.diplo.cl

Picks?
 
2014-05-02 09:45:18 AM  
Doh...too late
 
2014-05-02 09:54:30 AM  
I thought it was CK on Streetbeater (aka Sanford and Son theme).  Evidently it was a guy named Chuck Rainey.

Streetbeater is a great piece of music.
 
2014-05-02 09:59:03 AM  
Pfft.  Wake me when she can play the bassline to Barney Miller's theme.
 
2014-05-02 10:02:00 AM  
Oteil Burbridge
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2014-05-02 10:19:58 AM  

Crewmannumber6: Oteil Burbridge
[upload.wikimedia.org image 850x565] Is pretty good


Oteil is also a super cool guy. Got to hang with him at the Victor Wooten Bass camp in 03. Jesus, was that camp an awesome time.
 
2014-05-02 10:46:29 AM  

The_Philosopher_King: TommyymmoT: nocturn: And she's not bad for a girl. Mmmmm.... boobcup.[img2.hebus.com image 750x563]
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Anyone who can play on the same stage with Jeff Beck is OK in my book.

Bad news if you only like Tal for her looks. She has been able to afford bigger sandwiches since she has been playing these high profile gigs. But she still plays good tho:


Good for her. She's amazing.
 
2014-05-02 11:35:27 AM  

Thank You Black Jesus!: Evidently it was a guy named Chuck Rainey.


that "guy" is a helluva player and is all over steely dan's Aja album.
 
2014-05-02 11:39:41 AM  

Frederick: Correct I've never heard of her.
IMHO -bass players dont play with a pick.  Guitar players play bass with a pick.


This is largely true, although self-taught guys like Chris Squire beg to differ.

Great find, Subby, if a musician can ever really be unsung. Reminds me of this guy: http://www.ottawasun.com/2012/04/20/huggetts-jingles-dominate-the-air w aves

The number of people writing music for radio and TV commercials (that isn't royalty-free old stuff) would have trouble filling a small bus. Their sounds are arguably more pervasive and enduring than all but the greatest of "hits" and yet they are unknown outside of the trade in which they work.
 
2014-05-02 11:57:10 AM  

Valiente: guys like Chris Squire beg to differ.


mmmm, love me some Chris Squire...
 
2014-05-02 01:50:47 PM  

Kurmudgeon: I never used a pick but I haven't dropped my fingers yet.


Funny.

When I was first learning (still am 30 years later) to play guitar I stopped using a pick fairly soon.  Always either dropping them or misplacing them.  So if it's picking that's needed (e.g. electric), I put my thumb and forefinger together as if I held a pick and use my fingernail.  Otherwise, it's full fingerstyle.

/oh no, broke a nail!
//glues another on one.
 
2014-05-02 02:04:28 PM  
Time to disco this place up a bit with Janice Marie Johnson

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