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(Entertainment Weekly)   Mark Hamill tweets about the table reads of Episode 7. Claims all the new people are talentless hacks who don't deserve their parts. Just kidding, he claims nothing but praise and states the property is in good hands   (popwatch.ew.com) divider line 95
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2014-05-02 06:47:11 AM

fusillade762: Alien3 was the low point for me because they killed off the possibility held by the comics. Someone call JJ to reboot that one!


Good point but the way they killed off two seriously likeable supporting characters in the first five minutes was worse.  I know that Carrie Henn was about 15 by that point but still, it could have been handled better.
 
Skr
2014-05-02 06:50:25 AM
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It's sure to be a blast!
 
2014-05-02 07:01:15 AM

COMALite J: He spoke several times more lines as the Joker than he did as Luke Skywalker, and was much better as the Joker than he was Luke. I've heard it said, and must agree, that he did a better Joker with just his voice than Jack Nicholson did with his whole body.


Actually, there is footage of him recording some of his lines:

He does it with his whole body too, you just can't *see* it.

/Will always be my favorite joker.
 
2014-05-02 07:32:29 AM

No Such Agency: fusillade762: Alien3 was the low point for me because they killed off the possibility held by the comics. Someone call JJ to reboot that one!

Good point but the way they killed off two seriously likeable supporting characters in the first five minutes was worse.  I know that Carrie Henn was about 15 by that point but still, it could have been handled better.



Alien3 seems like the whole crew was dedicated to barely meeting minimum contractual obligations for a releasable Aliens sequel. It isn't even a disaster. And at the time it felt like even more of a waste, thanks to passing over a much more interesting concept (aliens come to Earth) only after the public was expecting it (there was a trailer and everything).
 
2014-05-02 07:37:31 AM

Ryker's Peninsula: I've got a bad feeling about this.


That's no bomb.
 
2014-05-02 08:40:09 AM

Mad_Radhu: Mugato: Snapper Carr: (that was Orci, Kurzman and Lindelof who were also largely responsible for Lost coming off the rails)

They're definitely hacks and thank Christ they're not involved with Star Wars. Let them fark up Star Trek, I don't care.

Orci and Kurtzman have also not been getting very good reviews on The Amazing Spiderman 2, either. The general consensus seems to be the movie is a hot mess. That's a shame, because it seemed like they were finally doing the Gwen Stacey storyline right after Raimi botched it by introducing Mary Jane as the original love of his life and Gwen as a rebound.


Movie Bob said people in the theater laughed at the "big moment" in the movie.
 
2014-05-02 08:44:20 AM

No Such Agency: Sid_6.7: fusillade762: the hot mess that was "Prometheus".

[media.tumblr.com image 500x313]

No, no he's right.  "Hot", but a real mess.  A tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing.  It made me have a sad even more than the franchise's previous low (Alien3, IMO)


No, Alien 3 was a masterpiece compared to the crap that was Alien Resurrection.
 
2014-05-02 08:58:34 AM
Tyrone Slothrop:
No, Alien 3 was a masterpiece compared to the crap that was Alien Resurrection.

Eh, both are pretty bad but I give A:R a few points for some good visual design, and casting Ron Perlman and Brad Dourif to chew scenery.  Cloning Ripley was a daft idea and Winona Ryder going on about "cutting out her internal modem" to escape the Company was ridiculous.  They should have gone with William Gibson's Aliens 3 script and skipped both films.
 
2014-05-02 08:58:39 AM

fusillade762: No Such Agency: Sid_6.7: fusillade762: the hot mess that was "Prometheus".

[media.tumblr.com image 500x313]

No, no he's right.  "Hot", but a real mess.  A tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing.  It made me have a sad even more than the franchise's previous low (Alien3, IMO)

Alien3 was the low point for me because they killed off the possibility held by the comics. Someone call JJ to reboot that one!


Alien 3 does have some notoriety as David Fincher's first movie, plus the cast had Charles Dutton, Charles Dance, and Paul McGann. Even thought it was a failure, it was an INTERESTING failure.
 
2014-05-02 09:16:30 AM
Mark Hamill is the same age now as Alec Guinness was during the filming of Episode IV.

/God I feel old...
 
2014-05-02 09:25:30 AM

theflatline: [pictures.historicimages.net image 850x679]


4.bp.blogspot.com
 
2014-05-02 09:33:57 AM

Mugato: JJ wrote Lost and those farking Star Trek reboots.


So what you're saying is that you have no idea what you're talking about, and you're blustering for no reason?
 
2014-05-02 09:42:01 AM

Khellendros: Mugato: JJ wrote Lost and those farking Star Trek reboots.

So what you're saying is that you have no idea what you're talking about, and you're blustering for no reason?


Sorry, JJ and his hack co-horts Orci, Lindelof and Kurtzman.
 
2014-05-02 10:04:32 AM

Mugato: Confabulat: Mugato: Just keep JJ Abrams away from the script. They have the guy who wrote Empire and Raiders, he doesn't need your input, JJ.

He also wrote Continental Divide (John Belushi's forgotten final movie) and Dreamcatcher (though that's mostly Stephen King's fault).

And? He wrote Empire and Raiders. JJ wrote Lost and those farking Star Trek reboots. Leave the writing to the grown ups.


Here's something Abrams actually wrote for:
4.bp.blogspot.com

Put that in your pipe and smoke it!
 
2014-05-02 10:05:28 AM
Mark Hamill is just a super positive guy.  I don't know how he does it, but good for him.
 
2014-05-02 10:24:18 AM
On a side note, can somebody please explain to me the feminist rage at the lack of "diversity" among the newly announced cast? A friend commented on her wall that she was saddened and outraged that there weren't more women in the cast. My response was that while that may be true, we still don't know how big and important the roles Carrie Fisher and Daisy Ridley will play (not to mention there is still another role for a female that has yet to be filled) and that perhaps maybe it was a bit premature to get so upset about it until, you know, the movie is released. My point was that who cares about how many women or minorities are in the movie, as long as the roles of the ones in it were vitally important to the story? How are women being marginalized if only two of the key figures in the new Star Wars movie are women, especially if they are critical to the plot?  Boy, did she, and some of her friends let me have it. "Don't tell me how I should feel" and that I was being "patronizing" and that I didn't "get it."  Gee, and here I thought pandering to minorities and shoehorning in characters into a movie or whatever just to make them happy was patronizing. I don't know, maybe I'm wrong, but something just seems off if you need women in make believe jobs to act as role models for your little kiddies over women in the real world, with real jobs. Yeah, maybe I was wrong to say that I did not see the need to be so upset and the we should hold off on the rage until the movie came out. Who am I to tell people how they should feel?  But my goodness, to be so angry and upset at the announcement of the Star Wars cast because there aren't enough women in it? Aren't there countless other things in this world people should be more upset about? Hmm, maybe I really don't "get it."
 
2014-05-02 10:38:01 AM

Snapper Carr: He's going to say that regardless. Professionals don't slag the production they're on while they're still shooting.


True, but professionals also don't go out of their way to praise shiatty things unless it's contractual or if it'll boost their career more than hurt their credibility.
 
2014-05-02 10:40:33 AM

Makh: His sad devotion to that ancient Jedi religion has not helped Disney conjure up the a better script, or given them enough clairvoyance to find the hidden market demographics...


We have a winner!
 
2014-05-02 10:43:16 AM
chewielouie:

Counterpoint - there's no shortage of strong female role models in sci fi: just off the top of my head - Ripley, Leelo, Sarah Connor, River Song, Zoe Washburne, several female characters in the "new" BSG Trinity, Dana Scully, Donna Noble and that's not even touching books and that's just movies and TV. There's another dozen or so that come to mind from books. There's also a bunch of examples in The Clone Wars
 
2014-05-02 10:47:02 AM

Makh: His sad devotion to that ancient Jedi religion has not helped Disney conjure up the a better script, or given them enough clairvoyance to find the hidden market demographics...


When did you read Disney's script for the new Star Wars movies?
 
2014-05-02 10:49:47 AM

James!: Mark Hamill is just a super positive guy.  I don't know how he does it, but good for him.


Having millions of rabid fans and I imagine a well paying gig that he could do in his pajamas if he wanted to might have to do with it.
 
2014-05-02 10:56:59 AM

Snapper Carr: chewielouie:

Counterpoint - there's no shortage of strong female role models in sci fi: just off the top of my head - Ripley, Leelo, Sarah Connor, River Song, Zoe Washburne, several female characters in the "new" BSG Trinity, Dana Scully, Donna Noble and that's not even touching books and that's just movies and TV. There's another dozen or so that come to mind from books. There's also a bunch of examples in The Clone Wars


I tried that. Star Wars has a history of sexism don't you know. Apparently, there is a segment of society that feels marginalized to the point that their feelings are hurt. Seriously, women are apparently fuming over this.

The only solution? "You! . . . story teller, dreamer, writer, etc. . . . I don't care what your vision is, or what your story is about. How many women are in it?!!! What? One?!?!?! Not enough, my feelings are hurt and therefore you are an insensitive, sexist pig!!!"
 
2014-05-02 11:16:21 AM

Mad_Radhu: Sex=weird, no?14hrs after you had ur face pressed in2 sum 1's genitals, ur both walking down the street as tho that was fine, thanx, howR u?

- Carrie Fisher (@carrieffisher) April 28, 2014

I think she's back on the coke diet.


How else is she gonna slim down from 400lbs to a svelt 115lbs?
 
2014-05-02 11:19:27 AM

Mugato: James!: Mark Hamill is just a super positive guy.  I don't know how he does it, but good for him.

Having millions of rabid fans and I imagine a well paying gig that he could do in his pajamas if he wanted to might have to do with it.


Not dying in a car crash also helps.
 
2014-05-02 11:23:17 AM
Sounds like they've got the "expository dialog spoken on couches" part of the prequels down pat.
 
2014-05-02 11:29:24 AM

theflatline: [pictures.historicimages.net image 850x679]


I've always liked her.
 
2014-05-02 11:35:32 AM

chewielouie: I tried that. Star Wars has a history of sexism don't you know. Apparently, there is a segment of society that feels marginalized to the point that their feelings are hurt. Seriously, women are apparently fuming over this.


Well even though there were only three speaking roles in the original trilogy, they were important roles. Leia of course and the leader of the whole Rebellion (the red head during the briefing in ROTJ) and um....well the chick who said "Standby ion control....fire". If it wasn't for her, ion control would be standing around with their dicks in their hands.

Black people....Lando of course and the guy who yelled "She's gonna blow". That was important information.

Asians, they guy who declared, "There's too many of them!!" because you know, those people are good at math.

I don't see the problem.
 
2014-05-02 11:51:06 AM

K3rmy: Snapper Carr: He's going to say that regardless. Professionals don't slag the production they're on while they're still shooting.

But did he shag Carrie Fisher when she was young?

(I am thinking Harrison Ford did)

(and the guy who played Chewbacca - while in full suit)


Carrie admitted that she hooked up with Harrison during Star Wars.  So yes, Han shot first.

/I would have hit that like the angry fist of Vader
 
2014-05-02 11:52:32 AM
i.imgur.com
 
2014-05-02 11:53:30 AM

Snapper Carr: [i.imgur.com image 450x253]


er let's try that again.


Mugato: Asians,


i.imgur.com
 
2014-05-02 12:00:48 PM

Mugato: Black people....Lando of course and the guy who yelled "She's gonna blow". That was important information.


You forgot this guy...

static.comicvine.com

Also this guy!

images.wikia.com
 
2014-05-02 12:08:33 PM

chewielouie: On a side note, can somebody please explain to me the feminist rage at the lack of "diversity" among the newly announced cast? A friend commented on her wall that she was saddened and outraged that there weren't more women in the cast. My response was that while that may be true, we still don't know how big and important the roles Carrie Fisher and Daisy Ridley will play (not to mention there is still another role for a female that has yet to be filled) and that perhaps maybe it was a bit premature to get so upset about it until, you know, the movie is released. My point was that who cares about how many women or minorities are in the movie, as long as the roles of the ones in it were vitally important to the story? How are women being marginalized if only two of the key figures in the new Star Wars movie are women, especially if they are critical to the plot?  Boy, did she, and some of her friends let me have it. "Don't tell me how I should feel" and that I was being "patronizing" and that I didn't "get it."  Gee, and here I thought pandering to minorities and shoehorning in characters into a movie or whatever just to make them happy was patronizing. I don't know, maybe I'm wrong, but something just seems off if you need women in make believe jobs to act as role models for your little kiddies over women in the real world, with real jobs. Yeah, maybe I was wrong to say that I did not see the need to be so upset and the we should hold off on the rage until the movie came out. Who am I to tell people how they should feel?  But my goodness, to be so angry and upset at the announcement of the Star Wars cast because there aren't enough women in it? Aren't there countless other things in this world people should be more upset about? Hmm, maybe I really don't "get it."


I think Daisy is the main protagonist. She will be the "star" of the new trilogy. Like Hamill was for the first one.
 
2014-05-02 12:10:07 PM

Darkviking: K3rmy: Snapper Carr: He's going to say that regardless. Professionals don't slag the production they're on while they're still shooting.

But did he shag Carrie Fisher when she was young?

(I am thinking Harrison Ford did)

(and the guy who played Chewbacca - while in full suit)

Carrie admitted that she hooked up with Harrison during Star Wars.  So yes, Han shot first.

/I would have hit that like the angry fist of Vader


yeah I remember very well her jiggly parts in the first episode.

/no underwear in space.
 
2014-05-02 12:22:15 PM

optional: OnlyM3: Mark, you have something brown. There, on your nose.

///wtf else is he gonna say.

You should show more respect to the greatest hero of the Kilrathi War.


Pffffft he left his post and allowed the Tigers Claw to be destroyed. He then committed genocide by dropping the bomb on Kilrah.

He should have helped with the diplomatic solutions; why does everyone want to send in troops and plant killing starships every time a flagship is destroyed by a misunderstood enemy?


/THIS in reality
 
2014-05-02 12:25:32 PM

Monkeyfark Ridiculous: No Such Agency: fusillade762: Alien3 was the low point for me because they killed off the possibility held by the comics. Someone call JJ to reboot that one!

Good point but the way they killed off two seriously likeable supporting characters in the first five minutes was worse.  I know that Carrie Henn was about 15 by that point but still, it could have been handled better.


Alien3 seems like the whole crew was dedicated to barely meeting minimum contractual obligations for a releasable Aliens sequel. It isn't even a disaster. And at the time it felt like even more of a waste, thanks to passing over a much more interesting concept (aliens come to Earth) only after the public was expecting it (there was a trailer and everything).


THIS.

I saw that trailer in the theater and was pissed about Alien 3.

Hell they should have made Aliens 2 and had Ripley have the third movie as a dream in hypersleep.
 
2014-05-02 01:20:15 PM

Mugato: chewielouie: I tried that. Star Wars has a history of sexism don't you know. Apparently, there is a segment of society that feels marginalized to the point that their feelings are hurt. Seriously, women are apparently fuming over this.

Well even though there were only three speaking roles in the original trilogy, they were important roles. Leia of course and the leader of the whole Rebellion (the red head during the briefing in ROTJ) and um....well the chick who said "Standby ion control....fire". If it wasn't for her, ion control would be standing around with their dicks in their hands.

Black people....Lando of course and the guy who yelled "She's gonna blow". That was important information.

Asians, they guy who declared, "There's too many of them!!" because you know, those people are good at math.

I don't see the problem.


Also, why about the aliens? Ackbar could have been female. Same with the rancor, that's definitely a giant sand vag.
 
2014-05-02 01:50:03 PM

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Mugato: chewielouie: I tried that. Star Wars has a history of sexism don't you know. Apparently, there is a segment of society that feels marginalized to the point that their feelings are hurt. Seriously, women are apparently fuming over this.

Well even though there were only three speaking roles in the original trilogy, they were important roles. Leia of course and the leader of the whole Rebellion (the red head during the briefing in ROTJ) and um....well the chick who said "Standby ion control....fire". If it wasn't for her, ion control would be standing around with their dicks in their hands.

Black people....Lando of course and the guy who yelled "She's gonna blow". That was important information.

Asians, they guy who declared, "There's too many of them!!" because you know, those people are good at math.

I don't see the problem.

Also, why about the aliens? Ackbar could have been female. Same with the rancor, that's definitely a giant sand vag.


You're talking about the Sarlecc pit right?
 
2014-05-02 02:48:00 PM

fusillade762: BalugaJoe: Where is Billie Dee?

Crying into his Colt 45.


Saw Billy Dee Williams at Dragon Con last year - that cat ain't looking so well.

i1.ytimg.com
 
2014-05-02 05:21:48 PM

IanMoone: Monkeyfark Ridiculous: No Such Agency: fusillade762: Alien3 was the low point for me because they killed off the possibility held by the comics. Someone call JJ to reboot that one!

Good point but the way they killed off two seriously likeable supporting characters in the first five minutes was worse.  I know that Carrie Henn was about 15 by that point but still, it could have been handled better.


Alien3 seems like the whole crew was dedicated to barely meeting minimum contractual obligations for a releasable Aliens sequel. It isn't even a disaster. And at the time it felt like even more of a waste, thanks to passing over a much more interesting concept (aliens come to Earth) only after the public was expecting it (there was a trailer and everything).

THIS.

I saw that trailer in the theater and was pissed about Alien 3.

Hell they should have made Aliens 2 and had Ripley have the third movie as a dream in hypersleep.


There are no Alien 3 or Alien 4 movies.  These two are the real sequels to Aliens.

images.darkhorse.com  and  comicsbeat.com

Turn this into a script and film both, especially the first.  I'll take a ticket right now.

I can't speak for all the later dark horse Alien comics, but those first 2 Dark Horse Aliens comics were superb. Far more emotional and had a more engrossing -- and logical -- plot than anything in either A3/4.


/And they  kindafit into what Ridley Scott did with Prometheus, now that I think of it.
//hmmmmm
 
2014-05-02 05:39:59 PM

Metaluna Mutant: IanMoone: Monkeyfark Ridiculous: No Such Agency: fusillade762: Alien3 was the low point for me because they killed off the possibility held by the comics. Someone call JJ to reboot that one!

Good point but the way they killed off two seriously likeable supporting characters in the first five minutes was worse.  I know that Carrie Henn was about 15 by that point but still, it could have been handled better.


Alien3 seems like the whole crew was dedicated to barely meeting minimum contractual obligations for a releasable Aliens sequel. It isn't even a disaster. And at the time it felt like even more of a waste, thanks to passing over a much more interesting concept (aliens come to Earth) only after the public was expecting it (there was a trailer and everything).

THIS.

I saw that trailer in the theater and was pissed about Alien 3.

Hell they should have made Aliens 2 and had Ripley have the third movie as a dream in hypersleep.

There are no Alien 3 or Alien 4 movies.  These two are the real sequels to Aliens.

[images.darkhorse.com image 300x449]  and  [comicsbeat.com image 400x601]

Turn this into a script and film both, especially the first.  I'll take a ticket right now.

I can't speak for all the later dark horse Alien comics, but those first 2 Dark Horse Aliens comics were superb. Far more emotional and had a more engrossing -- and logical -- plot than anything in either A3/4.

/And they  kindafit into what Ridley Scott did with Prometheus, now that I think of it.
//hmmmmm


That was the point of my original post. But thanks for making it more explicit.
 
2014-05-02 06:07:13 PM

fusillade762: Metaluna Mutant: IanMoone: Monkeyfark Ridiculous: No Such Agency: fusillade762: Alien3 was the low point for me because they killed off the possibility held by the comics. Someone call JJ to reboot that one!

Good point but the way they killed off two seriously likeable supporting characters in the first five minutes was worse.  I know that Carrie Henn was about 15 by that point but still, it could have been handled better.


Alien3 seems like the whole crew was dedicated to barely meeting minimum contractual obligations for a releasable Aliens sequel. It isn't even a disaster. And at the time it felt like even more of a waste, thanks to passing over a much more interesting concept (aliens come to Earth) only after the public was expecting it (there was a trailer and everything).

THIS.

I saw that trailer in the theater and was pissed about Alien 3.

Hell they should have made Aliens 2 and had Ripley have the third movie as a dream in hypersleep.

There are no Alien 3 or Alien 4 movies.  These two are the real sequels to Aliens.

[images.darkhorse.com image 300x449]  and  [comicsbeat.com image 400x601]

Turn this into a script and film both, especially the first.  I'll take a ticket right now.

I can't speak for all the later dark horse Alien comics, but those first 2 Dark Horse Aliens comics were superb. Far more emotional and had a more engrossing -- and logical -- plot than anything in either A3/4.

/And they  kindafit into what Ridley Scott did with Prometheus, now that I think of it.
//hmmmmm

That was the point of my original post. But thanks for making it more explicit.


Yep. Believe me, I totally agree.

Aside from the dull, poorly though out plot, what I despised about A3 is that it shiat all over the themes in Aliens. The theme of devotion and loyalty being more powerful than treachery and brute force? Her fighting to survive, to save her (surrogate) daughter, to regain her sanity and wipe out the monsters that killed every one she knew and made her an outcast?  All that? Kill Hicks and Newt and stick a chestbuster in Ripley before the opening credits..

Alien 3 was the first movie I saw that made me realize that there are some sequels that never happened.

/IJ & the Crystal Skull only occurred in Indiana Jones' mind as a dream/hallucination as he lay in a hospital bed dying from radiation poisoning caused by trying to hide from a nuclear explosion in a refrigerator.
 
2014-05-02 06:23:53 PM

Metaluna Mutant: That was the point of my original post. But thanks for making it more explicit.

Yep. Believe me, I totally agree.

Aside from the dull, poorly though out plot, what I despised about A3 is that it shiat all over the themes in Aliens. The theme of devotion and loyalty being more powerful than treachery and brute force? Her fighting to survive, to save her (surrogate) daughter, to regain her sanity and wipe out the monsters that killed every one she knew and made her an outcast?  All that? Kill Hicks and Newt and stick a chestbuster in Ripley before the opening credits..

Alien 3 was the first movie I saw that made me realize that there are some sequels that never happened.


Not to mention the question of how that egg got on the Sulaco in the first place. Seriously, I've turned that scenario around in my brain dozens of times and I still can't come up with an explanation that makes any sense.
 
2014-05-02 07:07:02 PM

threedingers: Mark Hamill is the same age now as Alec Guinness was during the filming of Episode IV.

/God I feel old...


i.imgur.com

/if Skywalker can be in denial, so can I
 
2014-05-02 10:01:28 PM
Like others have said, the only thing these movies need to do is be better than the prequels, and that's easily one of the lowest bars you can ask for.

George Lucas was the problem with the prequels, not the actors. He's the one who didn't bother getting input on the script and the one who wanted to shoot the thing with the least amount of his own energy put into it. It's one of his calling cards as a film-maker; he's capable of great work when he's being challenged on the script and the actual process of filming in places that aren't sterile soundstages. But one of the side effects of success (and age) is that by the time we got to the post-Last Crusade era, he had enough money and power that no one felt comfortable standing up to him, not even his old pal Spielberg. That's how we ended up with the prequels.

Abrams has flaws as a filmmaker, but laziness isn't one of them. More importantly, Disney's whole corporate might is invested in making sure these things succeed, and they didn't get to be the colossus they are today by accident. You better believe they'll be tweaking and testing this thing at every step.

Now, none of that guarantees a good movie, but it does greatly increase the odds. I'm optimistic that, at the very least, it'll be better than the prequels.

/I do hope they try to avoid the overuse of CGI, though I won't hold my breath
 
2014-05-03 06:42:20 AM

Mugato: chewielouie: I tried that. Star Wars has a history of sexism don't you know. Apparently, there is a segment of society that feels marginalized to the point that their feelings are hurt. Seriously, women are apparently fuming over this.

Well even though there were only three speaking roles in the original trilogy, they were important roles. Leia of course and the leader of the whole Rebellion (the red head during the briefing in ROTJ) and um....well the chick who said "Standby ion control....fire". If it wasn't for her, ion control would be standing around with their dicks in their hands.

Black people....Lando of course and the guy who yelled "She's gonna blow". That was important information.

Asians, they guy who declared, "There's too many of them!!" because you know, those people are good at math.

I don't see the problem.


this really made me laugh
 
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