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(Reason Magazine)   Having solved all crimes, cops now decide to harass wheelchair bound vets and their service dogs outside the VA, preventing them from getting care, arresting them, charging for non-crimes and more   (reason.com) divider line 33
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2014-05-01 08:08:47 PM
5 votes:
So the dude was a giant dick to everybody at the hospital and the cops told him to f*ck off

THIS IS AN OUTRAGE
2014-05-02 03:27:17 AM
4 votes:

sycraft: You know Reason... I think I'd drop this story. Not saying the cops are justified here but this guy is massively unsympathetic. If you are so hostile towards your doctor that they call the cops, you have an issue. Yes they may have been asking you about your drinking. Know why? Because it is a major health related issue so it is their business. If you then are a dick to the cops, well it isn't 100% surprising if they are dicks back. Doesn't mean they are right to do it, but you can't really act all surprised.

Seriously people, when you want to write stories about police abuse, don't pick the ones where the victim is a total d-bag. It really doesn't get people over to your viewpoint.


Unsympathetic people are the #1 tests of our justice system. You think Miranda was sympathetic? You think Fernandez was sympathetic? You think Rodney King was sympathetic? If being an asshole was all it took to strip away your rights and abuse you, we'd be Mad Max and Thunderdome, not the USA.

Obviously, regular people are well within their rights to be assholes to each other -- though employees have to worry about being fired -- and even cops have some flexibility in how courteously situations are handled, but when they cross over to violating rights, they deserve to be hung out to dry like the bullies they are. Cops and other government officials should have a somewhat higher bar thanks to the Constitution and basic professionalism.

Which is one reason section 1983 is such a farce. Practically every government official has total immunity for violating the rights of everyone around them until it becomes so egregious that even the courts can't look the other way anymore.
2014-05-02 02:17:32 AM
4 votes:

Doktor_Zhivago: So the dude was a giant dick to everybody at the hospital and the cops told him to f*ck off

THIS IS AN OUTRAGE


FTA: "McRae got upset his doctor didn't accept his answer to a question about his drinking habits. He had calmed down by the time they got there, and the doctor said she could finish her appointment with McRae."

If that sounds like being "a giant dick" to you, then I can tell you're a sensitive little flower that needs to be protected from the big bad mean world.

Old farking vet in huge amounts of pain because of 20 pieces of metal in his neck gets a bit upset with a female doctor giving him shiat about drinking too much. He didn't get violent, he yelled a bit, then calmed down. Suggesting that cops should deny him further medical treatment makes me want to punch you in your tiny little nutsack.

Old vets with shrapnel in their bodies, who are in pain aren't allowed to get upset and deserved to be harassed by farkwit cops? You're an assclown.
2014-05-02 01:56:47 AM
4 votes:

OnlyM3: That's right, it's the cops fault nobody gets treated at the VA
An elderly blind veteran crying in pain spent four hours and 45 minutes in the emergency room of the VA Medical Center in North Las Vegas before seeing a doctor in October, but federal inspectors said in a report Wednesday that such long waits were not unusual for patients at the hospital.

/// bush's fault


But we made Iraq and Afghanistan "better" and got to spend a bunch if money we didn't have on military adventures that went in to all the "right" peoples' pockets. And all these jacked-up vets, well it's not like they could have been working here at home producing anything, that's what outsourcing is for.
2014-05-01 10:05:57 PM
4 votes:

Doktor_Zhivago: So the dude was a giant dick to everybody at the hospital and the cops told him to f*ck off

THIS IS AN OUTRAGE


Yeah, i was with him for a little bit, but it sounds like he was shiatty to the staff, shiatty to the cops, and then extra shiatty later.  He might have issues from the service, and the cops were being dicks, but he's not an aggrieved innocent.
2014-05-02 02:01:14 AM
3 votes:
Some blame the guy, and some blame the cops.
How about some blame for the people who should have helped this guy, and the politicians who should have seen to it that there was funding and staff and facilities to help this guy?
When it's reached the point that the police are having to deal with a sick person, somebody hasn't done their job.
The oinkers aren't social workers or shrinks. They have to pick up the pieces after the social workers and shrinks have failed.
2014-05-02 01:49:25 AM
3 votes:
Everyone who defends the cops actions deserves a nightstick's kiss or two the the back.
2014-05-02 01:47:15 AM
3 votes:
The cop ordered him off the hospital under threat of trespass arrest, which caused MacRae to miss his weekly appointment for his blood tests that enables him to survive despite having more than 20 pieces of metal in his neck.

That's right. He will die now because he didn't get his blood drawn. Thanks cops.

As soon as people start over-exaggerating it makes me think that they aren't being very honest about the whole situation.
2014-05-01 09:37:37 PM
3 votes:
Just because you're a vet and/or disabled doesn't mean you can't be a piece of shiat, and shouldn't give you a free pass for anything.
2014-05-02 03:25:21 AM
2 votes:

Lsherm: Doktor_Zhivago: So the dude was a giant dick to everybody at the hospital and the cops told him to f*ck off

THIS IS AN OUTRAGE

Yeah, i was with him for a little bit, but it sounds like he was shiatty to the staff, shiatty to the cops, and then extra shiatty later.  He might have issues from the service, and the cops were being dicks, but he's not an aggrieved innocent.


So....had this been any other person being shiatty to the cops, then the cops are bad guys for being dicks; but since this guy is just a veteran who was a dick first, the cops get a pass this time because they're in the right for being dicks back? Or is it that we get angry with cops who are mean to mentally ill non-veterans who mouth off to them on the street, and only say "Well, they should have known, etc." once their service status is known to us?

I really can't keep up with the schizophrenic attitude Fark has towards cops. Either their brutal dickish thugs who should get no apologies when they mistreat someone (especially someone crazy or of color); or else it's meh, they got some attitude from this old fart who thought he was entitled (because of his age, wealth, prior military service) and it serves him right.

I'm not seeing any difference here, except in degree, between the treatment meted out to this guy and the fatal beating of Kelly Thomas: We have a person not quite right in the head, pissed off cops who feel their authority is being challenged, and a lot of people who are quite willing to let the cops do whatever they want because the mental case is annoying and also incapacitated. It's just that this time, the guy was just humiliated, inconvenienced and harassed for absolutely no reason in violation of half a dozen laws. I guess that's better than being beaten to death. But either cops are arrogant power-tripping thugs or they aren't. Pick one and go with it.
2014-05-02 03:01:08 AM
2 votes:
My uncle just recently told me a story about a stay in the PA Veterans Hospital in Philly. He was there for about three months this trip. He's a combat wounded, 100% disabled , Marine Corp Vietnam Veteran . He is a super likable guy and dedicates a lot of his time helping vets. Anyhow, after a diet of the healthy stuff for most of his stay, he was allowed to eat what he wanted again, so he ordered a cheesesteak. The delivery guy arrived at 10:05PM and my Uncle had been waiting in the lobby for him to show up for a half hour. Food deliveries are supposed to stop at 10:00. The hospital guard waved the delivery man away and ignored my Uncle like a child. I know rules are rules, but come on. When you fark with a man's food and dignity, you're an asshole.
2014-05-02 02:21:51 AM
2 votes:

sycraft: You know Reason... I think I'd drop this story. Not saying the cops are justified here but this guy is massively unsympathetic. If you are so hostile towards your doctor that they call the cops, you have an issue. Yes they may have been asking you about your drinking. Know why? Because it is a major health related issue so it is their business. If you then are a dick to the cops, well it isn't 100% surprising if they are dicks back. Doesn't mean they are right to do it, but you can't really act all surprised.

Seriously people, when you want to write stories about police abuse, don't pick the ones where the victim is a total d-bag. It really doesn't get people over to your viewpoint.


So what if the guy was an asshole?  Being impolite to a cop is not a crime.  So he deserved to be kicked out of the hospital on a future visit (under some "service dogs need muzzles" BS), and have his phone illegally taken away from him?   People in any job have to deal with assholes every single day.  Police probably deal with more of them, but anyone taking that job needs to be able to deal with it better than a teenager at a mcdonald's spitting in a customer's burger because the customer was rude.
2014-05-02 02:01:33 AM
2 votes:

sycraft: You know Reason... I think I'd drop this story. Not saying the cops are justified here but this guy is massively unsympathetic. If you are so hostile towards your doctor that they call the cops, you have an issue. Yes they may have been asking you about your drinking. Know why? Because it is a major health related issue so it is their business. If you then are a dick to the cops, well it isn't 100% surprising if they are dicks back. Doesn't mean they are right to do it, but you can't really act all surprised.

Seriously people, when you want to write stories about police abuse, don't pick the ones where the victim is a total d-bag. It really doesn't get people over to your viewpoint.


You are within your rights to be a dbag as long as you aren't breaking any laws. Watched this video earlier, not sure if the back story but the cops are the dbags here.
2014-05-02 01:47:28 AM
2 votes:
You know Reason... I think I'd drop this story. Not saying the cops are justified here but this guy is massively unsympathetic. If you are so hostile towards your doctor that they call the cops, you have an issue. Yes they may have been asking you about your drinking. Know why? Because it is a major health related issue so it is their business. If you then are a dick to the cops, well it isn't 100% surprising if they are dicks back. Doesn't mean they are right to do it, but you can't really act all surprised.

Seriously people, when you want to write stories about police abuse, don't pick the ones where the victim is a total d-bag. It really doesn't get people over to your viewpoint.
2014-05-01 09:10:22 PM
2 votes:
"I told them, 'write me a ticket or shut the fark up,'" he said, acknowledging that he doesn't hesitate to speak his mind to the cops...

News Flash: Pissing off cops will get you hassled by them. Ric Romero has more at eleven.
2014-05-01 08:35:01 PM
2 votes:
They should pull themselves up by their bootstraps instead of demanding that the government take care of them
2014-05-01 08:00:32 PM
2 votes:
2014-05-02 06:16:39 AM
1 votes:

spiritplumber: Aside the merits of this particular instance: I keep reading about police abuses in America, and the fact that a lot of positions in America are elected (sheriffs, DAs etc). So why not just vote the jackboots out?


People who vote for abusive authorities believe they are not the (type of) people who will suffer the abuse.
2014-05-02 04:21:25 AM
1 votes:

Theaetetus: BobTheHamster: As soon as people start over-exaggerating it makes me think that they aren't being very honest about the whole situation

I'm one of the more anti-cop Farkers here, and yeah, this seems like one of the least sympathetic defendants ever:
He says it all started when he ordered VA cops to leave the room while he was visiting his doctor. They were called when McRae got upset his doctor didn't accept his answer to a question about his drinking habits. He had calmed down by the time they got there, and the doctor said she could finish her appointment with McRae.

I mean, really... I've said that jury nullification for cop killers wouldn't necessarily be inappropriate, and even I think this guy is a douche.


A guy stuck in a wheelchair who's had a heart attack gets defensive when being called out for drinking. He and the doctor sort it out before the cops arrive. The doctor says she is satisfied and the cops can leave. They don't. They stay until they are ordered out. Then they wait for the guy, mess with him when he comes out give him a bill.

The difference here is the vet and the doc deescalated their situation. The cops and the vet were unable to do so. I'm siding with the vet here.
2014-05-02 04:20:46 AM
1 votes:

namatad: Beerguy: Here is a direct link to the video (autoplay warning)  http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=fe5_1398957592

why dont more vets visit this police man to thank him for doing such a wonderful job?
seriously

my god ... the voice of the vet is almost a trigger in itself.
you can FEEL him struggling to keep his panic under control, to hold it all together
FFS



I read that as the cop not just harassing a disabled veteran, but deliberately trying to provoke a reaction from a service dog that would give him an excuse to kill/confiscate it.
2014-05-02 03:00:35 AM
1 votes:

squirrelflavoredyogurt: Doktor_Zhivago: So the dude was a giant dick to everybody at the hospital and the cops told him to f*ck off

THIS IS AN OUTRAGE

FTA: "McRae got upset his doctor didn't accept his answer to a question about his drinking habits. He had calmed down by the time they got there, and the doctor said she could finish her appointment with McRae."

If that sounds like being "a giant dick" to you, then I can tell you're a sensitive little flower that needs to be protected from the big bad mean world.

Old farking vet in huge amounts of pain because of 20 pieces of metal in his neck gets a bit upset with a female doctor giving him shiat about drinking too much. He didn't get violent, he yelled a bit, then calmed down. Suggesting that cops should deny him further medical treatment makes me want to punch you in your tiny little nutsack.

Old vets with shrapnel in their bodies, who are in pain aren't allowed to get upset and deserved to be harassed by farkwit cops? You're an assclown.


If yelling a bit was enough to get the cops called by an offive clerk, I think we have massively different concepts of "yelled a bit".

Nobody is required to put up with your shiat, veteran or not. The guy with the manhood in question is the veteran who takes his issues out on a farking doctor. While you can walk legally walk down the street and tell a passing cop to go fark himself, you cannot order cops to leave you alone when they are investigatively detaining you after someone calls the cops on you. If you want to show that you are not an out of control jackass, continuing to act like a jackass is not a good idea.

This is an amusing thread though. Seeing people fawn over a veteran who cannot control himself and treat others decently biatch about cops, who are often veterans themselves, who may have failed the same test of proper social behavior, is pretty funny.

I also love the description of his previous charge, where the tfa takes us in a link. Gotta love one-sided reporting. Why no interview of the doctor, the clerk, the ex-wife, or any other witnesses than the guy's daughter? I might start buying newspaper subscriptions the way these articles go. You would think blogs had a cap on article size with how little info they generally contain. Am I the only one tired of stories with so little info that you practically have to make up the story yourself to form an opinion?

That said, cops: stop farking around with people for recording you. A. It is usually legal. B. It makes you look bad. C. It makes you look stupid. Don't be stupid.

Lastly: could submitters just link to the original story ffs? That goes to you too mods.
2014-05-02 02:48:42 AM
1 votes:
He says it all started when he ordered VA cops to leave the room while he was visiting his doctor. They were called when McRae got upset his doctor didn't accept his answer to a question about his drinking habits. He had calmed down by the time they got there, and the doctor said she could finish her appointment with McRae.

But when he shoots up the place it's, "WHY didn't somebody DOO something!!!"
2014-05-02 02:26:39 AM
1 votes:

squirrelflavoredyogurt: If that sounds like being "a giant dick" to you, then I can tell you're a sensitive little flower that needs to be protected from the big bad mean world.


"How much do you regularly drink?"
"Wharrgarbl! I'll kill you!"
[cops called]
"Okay, I'll answer, it's all right... 'Not too much.' See? We're good."
2014-05-02 01:58:18 AM
1 votes:
Zzzzzzz just another cop-hating circle jerk on Fark, nothing new.
2014-05-02 01:57:06 AM
1 votes:
Reason and Raw Story aren't even real organizations. All of our crazy family members got together because we stopped reading their email and they put the crap in a new format then paid Fark to publish it.
2014-05-02 01:54:58 AM
1 votes:
VA doctors are the crappiest doctors still allowed to hold a medical license.

Most of them would get fired from a real hospital in two days.
2014-05-01 10:53:01 PM
1 votes:

Lsherm: Doktor_Zhivago: So the dude was a giant dick to everybody at the hospital and the cops told him to f*ck off

THIS IS AN OUTRAGE

Yeah, i was with him for a little bit, but it sounds like he was shiatty to the staff, shiatty to the cops, and then extra shiatty later.  He might have issues from the service, and the cops were being dicks, but he's not an aggrieved innocent.


Hmm. I think I'm now in the same boat.
2014-05-01 09:52:26 PM
1 votes:

fusillade762: "I told them, 'write me a ticket or shut the fark up,'" he said, acknowledging that he doesn't hesitate to speak his mind to the cops...

News Flash: Pissing off cops will get you hassled by them. Ric Romero has more at eleven.


They should have written the ticket and STFU. Serving and protecting and such.
2014-05-01 09:38:30 PM
1 votes:

fusillade762: "I told them, 'write me a ticket or shut the fark up,'" he said, acknowledging that he doesn't hesitate to speak his mind to the cops...

News Flash: Pissing off cops will get you hassled by them. Ric Romero has more at eleven.


Yeah, well, there's that, too.  I think there's a good instructional video by Chris Rock out there, somewhere....... words to live by.
2014-05-01 09:37:12 PM
1 votes:
In other news, having COME from a family where my dad was a police chief, I have to really weep for the state of law enforcement in this country.  Sure are an awful lot of bad stories out there...

WTF
2014-05-01 09:35:55 PM
1 votes:
So this story has government healthcare, police abuse, and the war on terror.

That's a three-fer.  I think we get high taxes and gay marriage involved, and I'll get the BINGO.
2014-05-01 09:05:25 PM
1 votes:
Disgraceful.
2014-05-01 08:36:31 PM
1 votes:
VA doesn't give MMJ to patients in certified states but will pump them full of other meds that may be less effective and more harmful.

/outrage
 
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