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(Reason Magazine)   Having solved all crimes, cops now decide to harass wheelchair bound vets and their service dogs outside the VA, preventing them from getting care, arresting them, charging for non-crimes and more   (reason.com) divider line 110
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2014-05-02 05:19:18 PM  
 All I need to know is that both people had sworn to defend and uphold the constitution and one of them was not doing that.

That aside the guy sounds like a complete lunatic and I feel sorry for anyone without a phd in psychiatry that has to deal with him.
 
2014-05-02 05:22:01 PM  

hasty ambush: plenty of money


You have done nothing to show it is plenty of money. I showed that it is not enough to properly cover millions of veterans with disabilities who require expensive long term care.

Your one example is the British NHS, I find it hilarious that now conservatives are championing the NHS, how self serving.

hasty ambush: So that money is not spread around equally per vet.


Where did I claim it was?

hasty ambush: Ii would also mention that we are, sadly, losing our WWII and Korea vets at a high rate so the biggest work load on the VA health system will be decreasing since veterans are becoming a smaller and smaller part of the population.


The opposite is true, veterans of todays wars are getting older, and all those people you claim don't need the VA, like here:

hasty ambush: Not all veterans receive care from the VA.


Is going to change drastically when all of the 20-30 year old veterans start getting close to retirement age.
 
2014-05-02 05:34:44 PM  
I bet those cops feel like big men pushing around a disabled vet. Someone should send their pussy asses into war and see how friendly they are after being wounded and confined to a wheelchair.
 
2014-05-02 05:48:03 PM  

Bob Robert: hasty ambush: plenty of money

You have done nothing to show it is plenty of money. I showed that it is not enough to properly cover millions of veterans with disabilities who require expensive long term care.

Your one example is the British NHS, I find it hilarious that now conservatives are championing the NHS, how self serving.

hasty ambush: So that money is not spread around equally per vet.

Where did I claim it was?

hasty ambush: Ii would also mention that we are, sadly, losing our WWII and Korea vets at a high rate so the biggest work load on the VA health system will be decreasing since veterans are becoming a smaller and smaller part of the population.

The opposite is true, veterans of todays wars are getting older, and all those people you claim don't need the VA, like here:

hasty ambush: Not all veterans receive care from the VA.

Is going to change drastically when all of the 20-30 year old veterans start getting close to retirement age.


1. I am not "championing it" merely but point out that  the UK funds care for far more people with roughly the same amount of money.  Comparing government health care to government health care.


2.Today's war veterans will be getting older but their are far fewer of them compared to WWII or even the cold war.  Look at the size of today's military compared to that of 1945, 1968, 1992.  Veterans are not increasing in number numerically or as percentage of the population as a whole.  The inverse is true.

WWII veterans are dying  at the rate of about 670 a day, there are only about 1.7 million left out of a total of 16 million WWII veterans as of last year.. There are not even 1.7 million  active duty military personnel right now.  The work load for the VA is going to decrease over time-simple demographics.will mean not only fewer veterans but the need to shift resources as the in terms of care and locations as the veteran facilities in once heavy veteran populated areas and opening new ones in areas that have more.
 
2014-05-02 06:00:42 PM  

hasty ambush: 1. I am not "championing it" merely but point out that the UK funds care for far more people with roughly the same amount of money. Comparing government health care to government health care.


The NHS budget is much larger than the tax revenues taken from citizens. It relies mostly on charities to give care and fund hospitals. The budget is mostly for procedures and prescriptions.

hasty ambush: 2.Today's war veterans will be getting older but their are far fewer of them compared to WWII or even the cold war. Look at the size of today's military compared to that of 1945, 1968, 1992. Veterans are not increasing in number numerically or as percentage of the population as a whole. The inverse is true.


There are larger percentages of disabled veterans today than there were in previous years.

hasty ambush: WWII veterans are dying at the rate of about 670 a day, there are only about 1.7 million left out of a total of 16 million WWII veterans as of last year.. There are not even 1.7 million active duty military personnel right now. The work load for the VA is going to decrease over time-simple demographics.will mean not only fewer veterans but the need to shift resources as the in terms of care and locations as the veteran facilities in once heavy veteran populated areas and opening new ones in areas that have more.


The WWII veterans still alive have not been sitting on disability for over 70 years. They were the healthy ones.

The workload may decrease over time, but we are talking about proper funding TODAY to take care of veterans. You continue to provide no evidence that their budget is "big enough"
 
2014-05-02 06:30:00 PM  

Bob Robert: hasty ambush: 1. I am not "championing it" merely but point out that the UK funds care for far more people with roughly the same amount of money. Comparing government health care to government health care.

The NHS budget is much larger than the tax revenues taken from citizens. It relies mostly on charities to give care and fund hospitals. The budget is mostly for procedures and prescriptions.

hasty ambush: 2.Today's war veterans will be getting older but their are far fewer of them compared to WWII or even the cold war. Look at the size of today's military compared to that of 1945, 1968, 1992. Veterans are not increasing in number numerically or as percentage of the population as a whole. The inverse is true.

There are larger percentages of disabled veterans today than there were in previous years.

hasty ambush: WWII veterans are dying at the rate of about 670 a day, there are only about 1.7 million left out of a total of 16 million WWII veterans as of last year.. There are not even 1.7 million active duty military personnel right now. The work load for the VA is going to decrease over time-simple demographics.will mean not only fewer veterans but the need to shift resources as the in terms of care and locations as the veteran facilities in once heavy veteran populated areas and opening new ones in areas that have more.

The WWII veterans still alive have not been sitting on disability for over 70 years. They were the healthy ones.

The workload may decrease over time, but we are talking about proper funding TODAY to take care of veterans. You continue to provide no evidence that their budget is "big enough"

 


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1.NHS citation?

2.Those 70 years old are not so healthy now. The VA is not just treating service connected injuries and illness but almost everything else as well

One of my suggested quick fixes for the VA til it gets it act together (probably never) is that it treat only service connected injuries and illnesses.

If a veteran upon leaving the service becomes overweight , does not exercise, smokes 4 packs a day, drinks too much etc, etc, why should the tax payers be stuck the care costs? Those resources would be better utilized by taking care of veterans with service connected problems.


3. Casualty rates both injuries and death are way down from previous wars

During World War II the daily losses (wounded and Killed) per American division were usually over a hundred a day in combat and remained about the same in Korea and Vietnam

In the first Gulf War there were 12 American casualties a day per division.

In 2004, there were 4.5 casualties per division per day, in 2005, that went down to about 3.5. The casualty rate was lower in Afghanistan.

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3.Projected Veteran Population 2010 to 2040

4. There is plenty of proof that the VA is inefficient corrupt and wasteful (I have posted examples) You have offered no proof it is underfunded.. The evidence points not to a funding problem but a fraud, waste and corruption problem
 
2014-05-02 07:05:14 PM  
"McRae got upset his doctor didn't accept his answer to a question about his drinking habits."

I know almost exactly the feeling.  I've been to a few psychological screenings for employment (law enforcement) and there is always, ALWAYS a part where the shrink you go to see does an alcohol screen in either oral or written questions.  100% of the time they always circle back and want to argue with me that my answers are wrong.  It always ends up with me coming very close to screaming "WHAT PART OF I DON'T DRINK DO YOU FAIL TO UNDERSTAND?!"
 
2014-05-02 10:26:38 PM  
Argh it didn't post my reply. Here is a quick one

1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NHS_foundation_trust

2. Barely any of those older vets are disabled, and they are all covered under other health care like medicare.

3. Where did I comopare casualty rates? the disabled today are 20-30 year olds, that is expensive to take care of them

4.You have given zero examples of waste
 
2014-05-02 10:47:40 PM  

mrmopar5287: "McRae got upset his doctor didn't accept his answer to a question about his drinking habits."

I know almost exactly the feeling.  I've been to a few psychological screenings for employment (law enforcement) and there is always, ALWAYS a part where the shrink you go to see does an alcohol screen in either oral or written questions.  100% of the time they always circle back and want to argue with me that my answers are wrong.  It always ends up with me coming very close to screaming "WHAT PART OF I DON'T DRINK DO YOU FAIL TO UNDERSTAND?!"


Yes, you sound exactly like the level-headed sober person I'd like to have in a law enforcement position.

Frankly, I'd rather have a calm drunk than an angry teetotaler as a cop.
 
2014-05-03 11:35:07 AM  

Lsherm: mrmopar5287: "McRae got upset his doctor didn't accept his answer to a question about his drinking habits."

I know almost exactly the feeling.  I've been to a few psychological screenings for employment (law enforcement) and there is always, ALWAYS a part where the shrink you go to see does an alcohol screen in either oral or written questions.  100% of the time they always circle back and want to argue with me that my answers are wrong.  It always ends up with me coming very close to screaming "WHAT PART OF I DON'T DRINK DO YOU FAIL TO UNDERSTAND?!"

Yes, you sound exactly like the level-headed sober person I'd like to have in a law enforcement position.

Frankly, I'd rather have a calm drunk than an angry teetotaler as a cop.


It's not an anger issue.  As I said, I come *close* to screaming, but I keep it in check because it is just internally frustrating when people fail to listen.

It goes like this in my current position: I do not tolerate second guessing of my answers from my superiors, peers, or subordinates.  If someone is asking me a question it is because they are not a mind reader, need me to answer, and when I give an answer I have expectations that my answers will be heard clearly and not questioned.  Simple as that.  I don't go about tolerating people asking me the equivalent of "Are you sure?" because that is a question that insults my honesty and integrity.  It is calling me a liar to my face, and if people are going to do that they they should not have hired and promoted me to my current position if they intend to question anything that I say.
 
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