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(Fox News)   California government wants to destroy businesses by forcing them to spend millions of dollars on completely unnecessary diaper-changing tables in men's restrooms   (foxnews.com) divider line 177
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2014-05-01 07:45:56 PM
"Lara's bill would require that if a business chooses to install a baby-changing station, it must be accessible to both men and women."

Sounds more like it encourages businesses not to install baby-changing stations in the first place.

"The other bill, sponsored by Democratic state Sen. Lois Wolk, is more strict. It would require changing stations in men and women's restrooms in new restaurants, movie theaters, shopping centers and other public and private buildings."

Oh hell no! That would only encourage parents to bring babies to those places!

/ I keed
// sort of
 
2014-05-01 07:46:08 PM
It may surprise you submitter, but:

1) Fathers (well, at least some of them) do change diapers

2) Not all businesses have family restrooms and a man can't exactly go in the ladies room to use the changing table there.
 
2014-05-01 08:03:17 PM

Bathia_Mapes: It may surprise you submitter, but:

1) Fathers (well, at least some of them) do change diapers

2) Not all businesses have family restrooms and a man can't exactly go in the ladies room to use the changing table there.


It is more cost effective to install changing tables rather than a family restroom.
I'm sure if the baby needed changing most places would allow the man in to use the facilities, I'd hope so.
 
2014-05-01 08:13:39 PM

Mitch Taylor's Bro: "The other bill, sponsored by Democratic state Sen. Lois Wolk, is more strict. It would require changing stations in men and women's restrooms in new restaurants, movie theaters, shopping centers and other public and private buildings."

Oh hell no! That would only encourage parents to bring babies to those places!

/ I keed
// sort of


The only thing worse than a regular baby is a crying, poopy one.
 
2014-05-01 08:14:33 PM

JoieD'Zen: allow the man in to use the facilities, I'd hope so


While the businesses might, they're likely to get a lot of complaints from the women in the restroom.
 
2014-05-01 08:18:42 PM
The other bill, sponsored by Democratic state Sen. Lois Wolk, is more strict. It would require changing stations in men and women's restrooms in new restaurants, movie theaters, shopping centers and other public and private buildings. It would also require they be installed during renovations that cost over $50,000.

Idiotic.

You're going to require the restaurant that has no children's menu and no booster seats, which very obviously DOESN'T cater to the parents-with-young-kids demographic, to have changing tables? How very typical of the California state legislature.

By their logic, the legislature should also require all restaurants to serve baby food as well. And other foods geared toward little ones.

I'm sure the French Laundry will be glad to be have state-mandated chicken nuggets on their menu.
 
2014-05-01 08:29:27 PM

fusillade762: Mitch Taylor's Bro: "The other bill, sponsored by Democratic state Sen. Lois Wolk, is more strict. It would require changing stations in men and women's restrooms in new restaurants, movie theaters, shopping centers and other public and private buildings."

Oh hell no! That would only encourage parents to bring babies to those places!

/ I keed
// sort of

The only thing worse than a regular baby is a crying, poopy one.


Exactly, so why take chances? Stay home with them or be a job creator and hire a babysitter for the evening :-)
 
2014-05-01 08:37:40 PM
What's wrong with just using the sales counter?
 
2014-05-01 08:37:47 PM
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Do you mean baby smashers?
 
2014-05-01 08:37:47 PM

Mitch Taylor's Bro: fusillade762: Mitch Taylor's Bro: "The other bill, sponsored by Democratic state Sen. Lois Wolk, is more strict. It would require changing stations in men and women's restrooms in new restaurants, movie theaters, shopping centers and other public and private buildings."

Oh hell no! That would only encourage parents to bring babies to those places!

/ I keed
// sort of

The only thing worse than a regular baby is a crying, poopy one.

Exactly, so why take chances? Stay home with them or be a job creator and hire a babysitter for the evening :-)


You have no children.
 
2014-05-01 08:38:18 PM
Sshh!!! Don't let the moms know!!!

/btw: the best, cleanest, least-used men's room at the mall? At the cafe in the American Girl store
 
2014-05-01 08:40:23 PM
memeguy.com
What about these things?
 
2014-05-01 08:41:01 PM

Prank Call of Cthulhu: [static.fjcdn.com image 650x511]
Do you mean baby smashers?


disgusting

THIS SHOULD BE DELETeD
 
2014-05-01 08:41:06 PM
What happened prior to the invention of the baby changing table?
 
2014-05-01 08:42:48 PM
My kid is in his 30's...but I seem to remember seeing these contraptions on a regular basis but not in every men's room I've visited.

I guess I would be foolish to ask what's wrong with the floor.
 
2014-05-01 08:43:58 PM

fusillade762: Mitch Taylor's Bro: "The other bill, sponsored by Democratic state Sen. Lois Wolk, is more strict. It would require changing stations in men and women's restrooms in new restaurants, movie theaters, shopping centers and other public and private buildings."

Oh hell no! That would only encourage parents to bring babies to those places!

/ I keed
// sort of

The only thing worse than a regular baby is a crying, poopy one.


There's no such thing as a NON-crying poopy baby.

dravenstales.ch
 
2014-05-01 08:43:59 PM

sprgrss: What happened prior to the invention of the baby changing table?


You mean, back when businesses were willing to spend the money to pay someone to keep the restrooms clean enough that you could use the floor without throwing up?
 
2014-05-01 08:44:22 PM

JoieD'Zen: Prank Call of Cthulhu: [static.fjcdn.com image 650x511]
Do you mean baby smashers?

disgusting

THIS SHOULD BE DELETeD



I agree. The thought that people would use a presumably germ encrusted communal table covered in fecal leftovers to change their kid really is disgusting. It makes a lot more sense that these are actually postnatal abortion devices. They probably should be deleted.
 
2014-05-01 08:46:08 PM

loser0: sprgrss: What happened prior to the invention of the baby changing table?

You mean, back when businesses were willing to spend the money to pay someone to keep the restrooms clean enough that you could use the floor without throwing up?


I didn't realize baby changing tables came about when the restroom attendant became an endangered species.  Consider me educated.

Now if only I could remember these contraptions from more than 15 years ago.
 
2014-05-01 08:48:09 PM
Nothing worse than changing a baby in a public restroom, except when they don't have a changing stall.


I'm pro this.
 
2014-05-01 08:49:35 PM
It is stupid that it is being mandated, and completely in character for the assclowns in Sacramento.

It is also unnecessary.  Even without the mandate I never had a problem finding a mens room with a changing table when my son was still in diapers.

My favorite CA legislative stupidity remains mandatory motion sensors in residential bathrooms.  No I am not making it up (Google: title 24 motion sensor).

Spend a little too long taking a dump, you are in the dark.
 
2014-05-01 08:51:29 PM

bmwericus: My kid is in his 30's...but I seem to remember seeing these contraptions on a regular basis but not in every men's room I've visited.

I guess I would be foolish to ask what's wrong with the floor.


Floor's ok for wee ones, but once they're old enough to flip over and crawl away, it's nice to have something to strap them to. Also, most changing tables are slightly cleaner than a typical men's room floor.

Unless there was a blowout situation, in a no-changing table situation, I'd change my son in the restaurant (try to get a booth for this reason) or on the back seat of the car (assuming it's not 20 below outside). In a blowout, I'd probably dump whatever clothes were compromised in the bathroom trash can and rinse him off in the sink.
 
2014-05-01 08:51:42 PM
It never ceases to amuse me where Fox News' "Wheel Of Outrage" lands each day.
 
2014-05-01 08:54:25 PM

sprgrss: Now if only I could remember these contraptions from more than 15 years ago.


That is about when they started sprouting.(in men's rooms, anyway).

Before that, moms would have a folding Changing Pad, which they could use on any flat surface.

AFAIR the changing tables were actually a preventative against babbies slipping off of wet countertops.
 
2014-05-01 08:56:13 PM
Men don't have babies? Men don't change their kids' diapers? I fail to see the "asinine".
 
2014-05-01 08:56:39 PM
I don't see any problem with this.

I'm more surprised there are public places that DON'T have changing tables in men's rooms by now.
 
2014-05-01 08:57:05 PM
As the father of a 1 month old girl, I am getting a kick out of...

Seriously, if a place is going to put a changing table in the women's room, they need to put one in the men's room too. This isn't 1957, people.

I don't know if I'd go as far as MANDATING changing tables completely, but I agree with the "If you're going to put one in one bathroom, put it in the other one, too" rule.
 
2014-05-01 08:57:07 PM
If your business is ready to tip over into bankruptcy because you aren't making enough capital to cover a baby-changing station in the mens' room, I'm going to go ahead and guess you're probably on the verge of closing your doors as it is.
 
2014-05-01 08:57:13 PM

JoieD'Zen: Mitch Taylor's Bro: fusillade762: Mitch Taylor's Bro: "The other bill, sponsored by Democratic state Sen. Lois Wolk, is more strict. It would require changing stations in men and women's restrooms in new restaurants, movie theaters, shopping centers and other public and private buildings."

Oh hell no! That would only encourage parents to bring babies to those places!

/ I keed
// sort of

The only thing worse than a regular baby is a crying, poopy one.

Exactly, so why take chances? Stay home with them or be a job creator and hire a babysitter for the evening :-)

You have no children.


Yup, hence the smilie at the end.

But seriously, they're dumb legislation. It hurts my head to have to agree with Fox News, but here I am agreeing with them on something.
 
2014-05-01 08:59:14 PM
Gulper Eel: By their logic, the legislature should also require all restaurants to serve baby food as well. And other foods geared toward little ones.

I'm sure the French Laundry will be glad to be have state-mandated chicken nuggets on their menu.


You sound childfree.
 
2014-05-01 09:01:29 PM

Bathia_Mapes: It may surprise you submitter, but:

1) Fathers (well, at least some of them) do change diapers

2) Not all businesses have family restrooms and a man can't exactly go in the ladies room to use the changing table there.


But if there's some wiggle room here - if I get access to the ladies room to change diapers, well, imma gonna have to get me a child.

win/win, ladies

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lol
 
2014-05-01 09:01:50 PM
Over $50,000 to install a baby changing table? What the hell is wrong with you people? If you are paying someone 50,000 bucks to install this, then you are the idiot, not the state.
 
2014-05-01 09:03:08 PM
After weeks of 'Gubment BAAAAD' shrieking being short circuited by Mr. 'LetmetellyaabouttheNegro', Fox is literally left with shiat.
 
2014-05-01 09:03:16 PM

blunttrauma: It is stupid that it is being mandated, and completely in character for the assclowns in Sacramento.

It is also unnecessary.  Even without the mandate I never had a problem finding a mens room with a changing table when my son was still in diapers.

My favorite CA legislative stupidity remains mandatory motion sensors in residential bathrooms.  No I am not making it up (Google: title 24 motion sensor).

Spend a little too long taking a dump, you are in the dark.


PSST hey guys check it out, he doesn't know what the three shells are for!
 
2014-05-01 09:05:13 PM
So NEW businesses would need to put a changing table in both restrooms? OH THE HUMANITY!!
 
2014-05-01 09:06:04 PM
I'll smash those babies for free
 
2014-05-01 09:07:21 PM

Bathia_Mapes: It may surprise you submitter, but:

1) Fathers (well, at least some of them) do change diapers

2) Not all businesses have family restrooms and a man can't exactly go in the ladies room to use the changing table there.


This.

I have zero complaints about the two bills.
 
2014-05-01 09:07:44 PM
I picked the wrong thread to view while eating orange chicken.
 
2014-05-01 09:09:11 PM

PapaChester: Over $50,000 to install a baby changing table? What the hell is wrong with you people? If you are paying someone 50,000 bucks to install this, then you are the idiot, not the state.


This.  I was thinking, what, a grand to do it right?  Then I saw that, and I pictured a gold-plated, hand-engraved, silk-lined baby changer that a Saudi prince might have installed in his airplane.

But hey, I guess you need to prop up the impotent outrage with something.
 
2014-05-01 09:09:15 PM

PapaChester: Over $50,000 to install a baby changing table? What the hell is wrong with you people? If you are paying someone 50,000 bucks to install this, then you are the idiot, not the state.


Especially when you could probably find someone to remove the changing table from the women's for like half of that, easy.
 
2014-05-01 09:09:55 PM
I'd also install a coin machine to unlock the stations and make the money back that way.
 
2014-05-01 09:12:05 PM

themindiswatching: You sound childfree.


On the contrary. I have two kids, but I remember enough of single life and the rare date-night with my wife to know that it's nice to have restaurants around where you can bring somebody and know for damn sure that the next table over won't feature the McSnowflakes and their unholy-racket-making children Ayden, Braydin, Caedan and Girlchild with Name Parents Thought Was Hip But Shows "24593 Results" When You Search It On Redtube.
 
2014-05-01 09:12:31 PM
Having been really annoyed by the lack of changing stations available to fathers when I was over in Taiwan/Japan, I'm all for making them more accessible. I don't mind at all if they're in the unisex disabled toilets, as long as I actually have access to them (or any location suitable for changing - a couch is fine too). They're a couple of hundred dollars, they don't take up much room, it isn't a hassle to get them.

I can see the arguments about whether it needs to be legislated, or about places that don't cater to kids anyway, fair enough, but the basic idea behind the law isn't a terrible one.
 
2014-05-01 09:13:36 PM

Greek: I don't know if I'd go as far as MANDATING changing tables completely, but I agree with the "If you're going to put one in one bathroom, put it in the other one, too" rule.


That's the thing. Like I said up top, "it encourages businesses not to install baby-changing stations in the first place."

I think it makes a lot of sense for some businesses to have baby-changing tables in their restrooms. I think if the business owner is too dumb to figure out whether one makes sense, the business will go under one way or another.
 
2014-05-01 09:14:30 PM
I'm all for those tables. Because that's where I put my drink when I am taking a dump.
 
2014-05-01 09:14:32 PM
Ever since he was old enough to express a preference, my son's most used phrase was "Dada do it". So what exactly is Subtard suggesting I should have done? Used the women's bathroom? Stayed home? Changed him in the middle of the food court?

He's older now, but I always appreciated establishments that had a table in the men's room, and frankly, I'm more surprised these days when there isn't one.
 
2014-05-01 09:15:10 PM
I wish more states would pass this. We actually quit going to local hockey games because the mens rooms don't have changing tables - and the line for the womens' bathroom is ridiculously long at intermission.
 
2014-05-01 09:19:01 PM

maddermaxx: I can see the arguments about whether it needs to be legislated, or about places that don't cater to kids anyway, fair enough, but the basic idea behind the law isn't a terrible one.


At least we haven't seen the usual "b-b-b-but slippery slope!" arguments. It's all been, "OMG, this is long overdue" or "I think it should be up to the business owner to decide."
 
2014-05-01 09:19:47 PM

PapaChester: Over $50,000 to install a baby changing table? What the hell is wrong with you people? If you are paying someone 50,000 bucks to install this, then you are the idiot, not the state.


I have a feeling this is a lot like O'Reilly and his "$16 muffins"...the $50,000 is probably the cost of a number of things that includes the baby changing station.
 
2014-05-01 09:20:06 PM
I've made it through three kids in diapers. You don't have to give me a changing table in the men's room, I'll scoot my entree over and change the little terror on the table. Unless they've had chili and boiled eggs for their previous meal, it's not even going to faze me.

The other patrons in your establishment, though, may prefer that I have a place in the bathroom, with ventilation and a trash can for the diaper.
 
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