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(Think Progress)   Seattle decides to destroy its economy in a move of such socialistic communism that even Frederich Engels would blush   (thinkprogress.org) divider line 124
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2014-05-01 03:01:18 PM  
Cool.
 
2014-05-01 03:38:12 PM  
socialistic communism? that's like the most communistical of communisms!
 
2014-05-01 03:38:55 PM  
Good for them.  Legal pot and a living wage?  Seattle is shaping up to be a very desirable place to live.
 
2014-05-01 03:56:35 PM  
The Pubbies are going to be shiatting blood, because this might work.

Sorta' like when the hippies start shiatting blood when a state increases Second Amendment rights and shootings don't increase.
 
2014-05-01 04:12:56 PM  
unamused: Sorta' like when the hippies start shiatting blood when a state increases Second Amendment rights and shootings don't increase.

Yeah, I can see that really breaking people's hearts.
 
2014-05-01 04:41:31 PM  

unyon: unamused: Sorta' like when the hippies start shiatting blood when a state increases Second Amendment rights and shootings don't increase.

Yeah, I can see that really breaking people's hearts.


Believe me, it does.

It waters down their chances of convincing folks that the next state allowing it will suffer rivers of blood in the gutters, and bodies stacked like cord wood on the sidewalks.
 
2014-05-01 04:43:58 PM  

unyon: unamused: Sorta' like when the hippies start shiatting blood when a state increases Second Amendment rights and shootings don't increase.

Yeah, I can see that really breaking people's hearts.


And if the $15.00/hr minimun wage doesn't collapse the city's economy, the Pubbies will be shiatting bricks.
 
2014-05-01 04:54:55 PM  
But then, how will McDonald employees employ their bootstraps? I'm confused.
 
2014-05-01 04:55:47 PM  
Yay, no more tipping required in Seattle!
 
2014-05-01 04:56:22 PM  
The test will be in 2016.  If all those small businesses who can't survive without paying their employees a pittance are gone...good riddance.  And if they survive...welcome to the modern world.
 
2014-05-01 04:56:40 PM  

TuteTibiImperes: Good for them.  Legal pot and a living wage?  Seattle is shaping up to be a very desirable place to live.


Other than the cost of living that'll go up and extremely violent police force, sports teams that suck, shiatty weather and coffee that's little better than sucking on the butthole of somebody with cholera
 
2014-05-01 04:57:09 PM  

unamused: Believe me, it does.


Wow. You actually believe this. You think people are rooting for more death.

Quite the argument you have going in that fantasy world of yours.
 
2014-05-01 04:57:12 PM  
Good... Hopefully, Massachusetts will follow shortly.
 
2014-05-01 04:58:40 PM  

unamused: The Pubbies are going to be shiatting blood, because this might work.


very true, expect to hear about every single business that happens to fail there, suddenly it will be national news and it will obviously be totally the fault of the minimum wage.
 
2014-05-01 04:58:49 PM  

Smeggy Smurf: TuteTibiImperes: Good for them.  Legal pot and a living wage?  Seattle is shaping up to be a very desirable place to live.

Other than the cost of living that'll go up and extremely violent police force, sports teams that suck, shiatty weather and coffee that's little better than sucking on the butthole of somebody with cholera


cdn.antiquiet.com

/laughs at your shenanigans
 
2014-05-01 04:59:18 PM  

Lost Thought 00: Yay, no more tipping required in Seattle!


lol. You don't want to go out here do you?
 
2014-05-01 05:00:01 PM  
Not that it will usher in any kind of widespread change, because despite increased economic activity and tax revenue, greatly increased quality of life, likely lower instances of crime, poverty, and a healthier and more mobile workforce, in other areas of the country the single 0.01%er on the very top would only make ten billion dollars annually instead of eleven.  Hence, incalculably destructive.
 
2014-05-01 05:00:33 PM  

Smeggy Smurf: sucking on the butthole of somebody with cholera


hey this is a no judgement zone, if that's what you're into rock on friend!
 
2014-05-01 05:00:34 PM  
"I don't support phasing in for big business," said Sawant. "McDonald's and Starbucks have no justification to keep their workers in poverty for a day longer. For workers in Seattle, 11 years is a long wait for a decent wage. Every year of phase-in means yet another year in poverty for a worker."

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It's a start but I think there is more to do. Sawant is still talking about getting it on the ballot in November and I think I'll support that.  I'm not a fan of the tip credit, either. It's great if you're working at a hot spot bar but lousy if you're a Starbucks employee.
 
2014-05-01 05:00:45 PM  

Smeggy Smurf: TuteTibiImperes: Good for them.  Legal pot and a living wage?  Seattle is shaping up to be a very desirable place to live.

Other than the cost of living that'll go up and extremely violent police force, sports teams that suck, shiatty weather and coffee that's little better than sucking on the butthole of somebody with cholera


I'm sure you can provide evidence that the cost of living will go up
 
2014-05-01 05:01:39 PM  
Seattle isn't SF or NY when it comes to housing prices but its still damned expensive (the mortgage on my house in Florida is roughly half the cost of the rent of my apartment in Seattle for double the sq ft). This will do good things for the Seattle economy.
 
2014-05-01 05:02:13 PM  

Elandriel: only make ten billion dollars annually instead of eleven.


You're dramatically overstating how much of a company's budget goes to minimum wage workers.
 
2014-05-01 05:03:36 PM  

rwdavis: Seattle isn't SF or NY when it comes to housing prices but its still damned expensive (the mortgage on my house in Florida is roughly half the cost of the rent of my apartment in Seattle for double the sq ft). This will do good things for the Seattle economy.


My girlfriend had a one-bedroom apartment in First Hill that cost her $1600 a month. Hearing that number nearly made me vomit.
 
2014-05-01 05:04:14 PM  
Good for Seattle.
 
2014-05-01 05:04:28 PM  

mediablitz: unamused: Believe me, it does.

Wow. You actually believe this. You think people are rooting for more death.

Quite the argument you have going in that fantasy world of yours.


I'm guessing he has an almost perfect record of beating people who don't exist taking positions that he's completely made up.

Pathetically enough I bet he loses every so often.
 
2014-05-01 05:05:30 PM  
TO SOME EXTENT people really need to realize that inherent with this comes a certain amount of government responsibility. The lack of wage increases to match inflation has to some degree allowed businesses to survive and prevented market consolidation in order to facilitate long term survival by acting like a funky subsidy (because pure laisse fairer doesn't work).

So whatever comes of minimum wage increases, the overall result seems pretty natural to me.
 
2014-05-01 05:05:44 PM  
It's easy to pay your baristas that much when coffee costs 9 bucks a cup.
 
2014-05-01 05:05:50 PM  
Hahahahaha.  This is going to be like that Scary Movie clip.  The woman in the movie is going to say "Here's Seattle!", and they're going to show a city in shambles.  And then she's going to say "And here's Seattle, after the minimum wage increase!"  I laughed so hard when I saw this scene that I shouted "Thanks, Obama!" and the entire movie theater applauded as loud as they could.  Then everyone got up, looked in the direction of my American flag T-Shirt, and began to sing the Pledge of Allegiance.  Taxbongo and his kids were in the fourth row crying, but I didn't care.  I was laughing too hard.  That's what he gets for making me stand in line for popcorn and miss the previews.
 
2014-05-01 05:05:59 PM  

TuteTibiImperes: Good for them.  Legal pot and a living wage?  Seattle is shaping up to be a very desirable place to live.


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Of course, the crippling inflation that will follow this increase will destroy and I can't even finish this sentence.
 
2014-05-01 05:06:03 PM  
In before people questioning why a McDonald's employee should make more than them, never quite grasping that they're being exploited.
 
2014-05-01 05:06:21 PM  

Serious Black: rwdavis: Seattle isn't SF or NY when it comes to housing prices but its still damned expensive (the mortgage on my house in Florida is roughly half the cost of the rent of my apartment in Seattle for double the sq ft). This will do good things for the Seattle economy.

My girlfriend had a one-bedroom apartment in First Hill that cost her $1600 a month. Hearing that number nearly made me vomit.


That's basically half the price of NY or SF, though.
 
2014-05-01 05:08:00 PM  

zarberg: Smeggy Smurf: TuteTibiImperes: Good for them.  Legal pot and a living wage?  Seattle is shaping up to be a very desirable place to live.

Other than the cost of living that'll go up and extremely violent police force, sports teams that suck, shiatty weather and coffee that's little better than sucking on the butthole of somebody with cholera

I'm sure you can provide evidence that the cost of living will go up


Yep and the Seattle Seahawks would like a word with you about their shiatty sports teams.

FTFA: There are 102,000 workers in Seattle currently earning less than $15 an hour. Raising those people's wages will put about half a billion extra dollars of spending money into Seattle workers' pockets.

Also if you are a business owner you have 102,000 more customers with expendable income to spend on your goods and/or services offered.
 
2014-05-01 05:08:02 PM  

Smeggy Smurf: TuteTibiImperes: Good for them.  Legal pot and a living wage?  Seattle is shaping up to be a very desirable place to live.

Other than the cost of living that'll go up and extremely violent police force, sports teams that suck, shiatty weather and coffee that's little better than sucking on the butthole of somebody with cholera


Cost of living there is already high, I doubt this will have much of an effect. The police handed out free Doritos last year at a 4/20 rally.  The weather looks pretty pleasant compared to FL.  Average highs between 40 and 75 year round, rarely dips below freezing, rarely is there any snow to deal with, plenty of rain, it sounds good to me.
 
2014-05-01 05:08:24 PM  
That's great.  And only $7 short of the early 1970s minimum wage in today's dollars.
 
2014-05-01 05:08:24 PM  

unamused: unyon: unamused: Sorta' like when the hippies start shiatting blood when a state increases Second Amendment rights and shootings don't increase.

Yeah, I can see that really breaking people's hearts.

Believe me, it does.

It waters down their chances of convincing folks that the next state allowing it will suffer rivers of blood in the gutters, and bodies stacked like cord wood on the sidewalks.


Someone read Watchmen recently...

/hurm...
 
2014-05-01 05:09:58 PM  

heavymetal: Also if you are a business owner you have 102,000 more customers with expendable income to spend on your goods and/or services offered

 pot.
 
2014-05-01 05:11:22 PM  
God damn right it's cool.
 
2014-05-01 05:12:26 PM  

sendtodave: TuteTibiImperes: Good for them.  Legal pot and a living wage?  Seattle is shaping up to be a very desirable place to live.

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Of course, the crippling inflation that will follow this increase will destroy and I can't even finish this sentence.


If the point of posting that graph is to infer that Akron is a more disirable place to live than Seattle, then clearly you have never spent much time living in Akron.

/UA grad
//met wife there
///left the week I graduated
 
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2014-05-01 05:12:33 PM  

sendtodave: TuteTibiImperes: Good for them.  Legal pot and a living wage?  Seattle is shaping up to be a very desirable place to live.

[img.fark.net image 500x462]

Of course, the crippling inflation that will follow this increase will destroy and I can't even finish this sentence.


Akron??

encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com

Who would want to live there?  Ask the guys from Devo.
 
2014-05-01 05:13:45 PM  

sendtodave: heavymetal: Also if you are a business owner you have 102,000 more customers with expendable income to spend on your goods and/or services offered pot.


pot is not a business in Seattle?
 
2014-05-01 05:13:47 PM  
This is neat and all, but a yearly 2.4% bump seems a bit overkill, doesn't it? That puts them at over $16/hour within only 3 years.
 
2014-05-01 05:15:51 PM  

DeArmondVI: sendtodave: TuteTibiImperes: Good for them.  Legal pot and a living wage?  Seattle is shaping up to be a very desirable place to live.

[img.fark.net image 500x462]

Of course, the crippling inflation that will follow this increase will destroy and I can't even finish this sentence.

If the point of posting that graph is to infer that Akron is a more disirable place to live than Seattle, then clearly you have never spent much time living in Akron.

/UA grad
//met wife there
///left the week I graduated


Naw, it's just a random bit of infornography that I found.

More for "it's cheaper than LA and New York."

http://blogs.seattletimes.com/fyi-guy/2013/10/11/can-the-middle-clas s- still-afford-to-buy-a-home-in-seattle/
 
2014-05-01 05:16:08 PM  

Lost Thought 00: Yay, no more tipping required in Seattle!


Washington state already has minimum wage law with no tip exemption. Has for years.
 
2014-05-01 05:17:24 PM  

jayhawk88: This is neat and all, but a yearly 2.4% bump seems a bit overkill, doesn't it? That puts them at over $16/hour within only 3 years.


I see somebody didnt't RTFA.
 
2014-05-01 05:18:40 PM  
Eh, good for them.

Look, I'm against a national minimum wage because a wage that makes sense in NYC is 95th percentile in rural Arkansas.  Kinda iffy on state-level (or at least pro-keeping it way-low) for similar reasons.

But at the same time, "NYC, why you minimum wage not $40/hour".  Because local COL is a biatch.

/Mind you, stupid urban housing prices are a sign of a housing shortage, and the best way to fix them is to build lots of housing and lots of mass transit to facilitate easy commutes, but since they're NOT going to do that, "Why it not $40/hour".
 
2014-05-01 05:20:53 PM  

TuteTibiImperes: Good for them.  Legal pot and a living wage?  Seattle is shaping up to be a very desirable place to live.


Nah, this place is a craphole. It always rains and also there are bugs and angry Californians and there is required to be a Starbucks in every house that wakes you up with the smell of burnt coffee.

Don't move here. I'm sorry I was born here. If only I could get out, but I can't. But you! Don't move here! Trust me.

/Please don't move here
 
2014-05-01 05:21:48 PM  
Well, I'll be curious to see how this will effect their local economy. Assuming full time, that's about $31k per year. What'll be more interesting to see how this ripples upwards to non-minimum wage jobs.
 
2014-05-01 05:22:13 PM  

TrollingForColumbine: sendtodave: heavymetal: Also if you are a business owner you have 102,000 more customers with expendable income to spend on your goods and/or services offered pot.

pot is not a business in Seattle?


Fair 'nuff.
 
2014-05-01 05:24:46 PM  

meyerkev: /Mind you, stupid urban housing prices are a sign of a housing shortage, and the best way to fix them is to build lots of housing and lots of mass transit to facilitate easy commutes, but since they're NOT going to do that, "Why it not $40/hour".


This actually is a big issue.

Frankly, there should be dozens of 100-story apartment buildings in Manhattan right now.  There's certainly enough demand for such.  The fact that the local government doesn't allow such is the specific reason why it costs $3,000 or whatever for a studio apartment there.
 
2014-05-01 05:25:32 PM  
I do think this is great. And Seattle is fantastic. So, please don't take the following the wrong way.

That massive payoff the state gave to that giant corporation right before it put the thumbscrews to that union is really paying off in Socialism Paradise.
 
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