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2014-05-01 02:36:53 PM
If by "The GOP" you mean a single crackpot Congressman.
 
2014-05-01 02:39:36 PM
I agree. They should only be permitted if some country bumpkin a-hole secessionist racist rallies his own paramilitary militia in an effort to obstruct the lawful exercise of authority by law enforcement. But that would never happen.
 
2014-05-01 02:41:19 PM
You want local cops to go against the nut-job militia types?  Why do you hate local cops, congressman?
 
2014-05-01 02:49:26 PM
Oh, yeah, not to mention the fact that the federal government does not have the authority to direct state and local law enforcement absent state and local law enforcement voluntarily submitting to such direction.
 
2014-05-01 02:50:27 PM
Personally, I think we need to emulate the Founding Fathers in this.  Washington personally led troops to quell rebellion and treason in the Whiskey Rebellion.

With this in mind, I'd like to see President Barack Obama lead military forces into the region to stamp out this insurrection and rebellion.
 
2014-05-01 02:52:40 PM
There is a point in this

Its a bit redundant. BLM should not have a SWAT team when we have people such as the US Marshals. That money could be spent elsewhere.
 
2014-05-01 02:57:15 PM

cman: There is a point in this

Its a bit redundant. BLM should not have a SWAT team when we have people such as the US Marshals. That money could be spent elsewhere.


The US Marshals are technically the SWAT team for the court system.
 
2014-05-01 02:58:51 PM

James!: cman: There is a point in this

Its a bit redundant. BLM should not have a SWAT team when we have people such as the US Marshals. That money could be spent elsewhere.

The US Marshals are technically the SWAT team for the court system.


Did BLM have warrants? If so then Marshals should have served
 
2014-05-01 02:59:06 PM
I met one of the like...12 people.. who carry a gun for the Department of Education.  That was weird.
 
2014-05-01 02:59:37 PM

James!: You want local cops to go against the nut-job militia types?  Why do you hate local cops, congressman?


(Some) local cops are backing the militias.
 
2014-05-01 03:14:04 PM

enry: James!: You want local cops to go against the nut-job militia types?  Why do you hate local cops, congressman?

(Some) local cops are backing the militias.


Yeah, a sherrif from a county over went down there to support Bundy. A county sheriff from Indiana.
 
2014-05-01 03:17:21 PM
But... but... MOAR GUNZ!
 
2014-05-01 03:25:46 PM

kronicfeld: I agree. They should only be permitted if some country bumpkin a-hole secessionist racist rallies his own paramilitary militia in an effort to obstruct the lawful exercise of authority by law enforcement. But that would never happen.


That can be handled by the FBI. Each department having redundant police is redundant.
 
2014-05-01 03:26:08 PM
So a member of the GOP wants to restrict the gun rights of American citizens while they're on the job, even after those citizens have being threatened by radicals who support the use of violent force?

RINO!
 
2014-05-01 03:46:35 PM

R.A.Danny: That can be handled by the FBI. Each department having redundant police is redundant.


Yup, no examples in recent history of catastrophically ineffective resource and information sharing between different federal agencies.
 
2014-05-01 03:56:14 PM

kronicfeld: R.A.Danny: That can be handled by the FBI. Each department having redundant police is redundant.

Yup, no examples in recent history of catastrophically ineffective resource and information sharing between different federal agencies.


Most of the time, that's a feature, not a bug.

Very rarely, it works to the detriment of average citizens.
 
2014-05-01 04:02:09 PM
Everyone in the BLM should be well-armed anyway though, right?
 
2014-05-01 04:18:23 PM

R.A.Danny: That can be handled by the FBI.


While I'm far from a state's rights fan, I'm not thrilled with the notion of even the FBI being equipped to handle a full-blown secessionist paramilitary militia within "ordinary course".

On the other hand, I'm not sure it's exactly good precedental habit for the POTUS to develop the habit of issuing Proclamations To Disperse, or state governors to be issuing the equivalent before calling out the national guard.
 
2014-05-01 04:23:58 PM

abb3w: R.A.Danny: That can be handled by the FBI.

While I'm far from a state's rights fan, I'm not thrilled with the notion of even the FBI being equipped to handle a full-blown secessionist paramilitary militia within "ordinary course".

On the other hand, I'm not sure it's exactly good precedental habit for the POTUS to develop the habit of issuing Proclamations To Disperse, or state governors to be issuing the equivalent before calling out the national guard.


The Post Office militia isn't equipped for that either. If the Feds are going to have such a force it should be a single unit under a single command. Redundancy is expensive and not able to be well enough equipped anyway.
 
2014-05-01 04:27:27 PM

R.A.Danny: The Post Office militia isn't equipped for that either. If the Feds are going to have such a force it should be a single unit under a single command. Redundancy is expensive and not able to be well enough equipped anyway.


This, as I alluded, is counterbalanced by the poor precedent represented by calling out the United States Armed forces for breakdowns in domestic law enforcement.
 
2014-05-01 04:32:22 PM

R.A.Danny: abb3w: R.A.Danny: That can be handled by the FBI.

While I'm far from a state's rights fan, I'm not thrilled with the notion of even the FBI being equipped to handle a full-blown secessionist paramilitary militia within "ordinary course".

On the other hand, I'm not sure it's exactly good precedental habit for the POTUS to develop the habit of issuing Proclamations To Disperse, or state governors to be issuing the equivalent before calling out the national guard.

The Post Office militia isn't equipped for that either. If the Feds are going to have such a force it should be a single unit under a single command. Redundancy is expensive and not able to be well enough equipped anyway.


I wonder what the psychological effects on that would be; having a single command unit that handles all the crazy militia standoffs full time; instead of having guys who have other day jobs take on that task when it intersects with their regular duties.
The full time guys would probably have to all be a bunch of assholes to want the job.
 
2014-05-01 04:39:17 PM

serial_crusher: R.A.Danny: abb3w: R.A.Danny: That can be handled by the FBI.

While I'm far from a state's rights fan, I'm not thrilled with the notion of even the FBI being equipped to handle a full-blown secessionist paramilitary militia within "ordinary course".

On the other hand, I'm not sure it's exactly good precedental habit for the POTUS to develop the habit of issuing Proclamations To Disperse, or state governors to be issuing the equivalent before calling out the national guard.

The Post Office militia isn't equipped for that either. If the Feds are going to have such a force it should be a single unit under a single command. Redundancy is expensive and not able to be well enough equipped anyway.

I wonder what the psychological effects on that would be; having a single command unit that handles all the crazy militia standoffs full time; instead of having guys who have other day jobs take on that task when it intersects with their regular duties.
The full time guys would probably have to all be a bunch of assholes to want the job.


Their day to day would be normal handling crime, like the FBI does now. It's not like we have had a ton of incidents like this in the last 100 years.
I'm not asking for a government force as much as I am looking to get rid of the poorly managed and redundant myriad forces we already have. This was just a possible resolution.
 
2014-05-01 04:54:10 PM
What about good guys with guns stopping bad guys with guns?
 
2014-05-01 04:54:18 PM

cman: James!: cman: There is a point in this

Its a bit redundant. BLM should not have a SWAT team when we have people such as the US Marshals. That money could be spent elsewhere.

The US Marshals are technically the SWAT team for the court system.

Did BLM have warrants? If so then Marshals should have served


BLM doesn't need warrants to provide security services on land managed by the BLM. Duh.
 
2014-05-01 04:59:53 PM
what a farking retard
 
2014-05-01 05:01:29 PM

cman: James!: cman: There is a point in this

Its a bit redundant. BLM should not have a SWAT team when we have people such as the US Marshals. That money could be spent elsewhere.

The US Marshals are technically the SWAT team for the court system.

Did BLM have warrants? If so then Marshals should have served


I see you have no clue how peace officers work
 
2014-05-01 05:19:48 PM
What's with Fark not liking my web browser all of a sudden?

I've got a "Kindergarten Cop" screen grab would blow the f*cking doors off this thread.

I guess the powers that be think I'm a dangerous agitator.
 
2014-05-01 05:22:19 PM

sigdiamond2000: What's with Fark not liking my web browser all of a sudden?

I've got a "Kindergarten Cop" screen grab would blow the f*cking doors off this thread.

I guess the powers that be think I'm a dangerous agitator.


Is it "boys have a penis, girls have a vagina"?
 
2014-05-01 05:23:46 PM
THE GOP IS COMING TO TAKE YOUR GUNS!
 
2014-05-01 05:25:33 PM

vernonFL: sigdiamond2000: What's with Fark not liking my web browser all of a sudden?

I've got a "Kindergarten Cop" screen grab would blow the f*cking doors off this thread.

I guess the powers that be think I'm a dangerous agitator.

Is it "boys have a penis, girls have a vagina"?


Please.

Give me a little more credit than that.

That one doesn't even crack the Top 10 of my Kindergarten Cop screen shots.
 
2014-05-01 06:15:50 PM
I thought guns made us more safe!
 
2014-05-01 06:17:58 PM
was Cliven Bundy a victim of deceptive editing?

Fox News asks the questions the Obama media won't.
 
2014-05-01 06:21:11 PM

enry: James!: You want local cops to go against the nut-job militia types?  Why do you hate local cops, congressman?

(Some) local cops are backing the militias.


Sorry-ass local cops.
 
2014-05-01 06:22:04 PM
But Utah GOP Rep. Chris Stewart told The Salt Lake Tribune that the BLM doesn't need an armed unit

That's probably true, but let me be the devils advocate. What if they have to go in and confiscate something on the land they're managing, from some nut that thinks they can do anything on federal land because it's public? And what if that guy is armed and threatening to use violence?

Now one could argue that is highly unlikely to ever occur...

/Bundy is an argument FOR these guys existing, not against IT, you fuking moron congressman.
 
2014-05-01 06:25:18 PM
Why do Republicans hate the BLM's Second Amendment rights?
 
2014-05-01 06:28:32 PM

sigdiamond2000: vernonFL: sigdiamond2000: What's with Fark not liking my web browser all of a sudden?

I've got a "Kindergarten Cop" screen grab would blow the f*cking doors off this thread.

I guess the powers that be think I'm a dangerous agitator.

Is it "boys have a penis, girls have a vagina"?

Please.

Give me a little more credit than that.

That one doesn't even crack the Top 10 of my Kindergarten Cop screen shots.


Is it "Our mommy says our daddy is a sex machine"?
 
2014-05-01 06:32:23 PM

sigdiamond2000: What's with Fark not liking my web browser all of a sudden?

I've got a "Kindergarten Cop" screen grab would blow the f*cking doors off this thread.

I guess the powers that be think I'm a dangerous agitator.


28.media.tumblr.com ?
 
2014-05-01 06:34:35 PM

impaler: But Utah GOP Rep. Chris Stewart told The Salt Lake Tribune that the BLM doesn't need an armed unit

That's probably true, but let me be the devils advocate. What if they have to go in and confiscate something on the land they're managing, from some nut that thinks they can do anything on federal land because it's public? And what if that guy is armed and threatening to use violence?

Now one could argue that is highly unlikely to ever occur...

/Bundy is an argument FOR these guys existing, not against IT, you fuking moron congressman.


No, the cost to maintain a "SWAT" team for an occasional use every few years has to be too high.  Not to mention the political need to use them in order to justify their existence.

Between the Marshalls and FBI, there should be no need for armed commando units in the BLM, IRS or EPA.
 
2014-05-01 06:37:19 PM

cretinbob: cman: James!: cman: There is a point in this

Its a bit redundant. BLM should not have a SWAT team when we have people such as the US Marshals. That money could be spent elsewhere.

The US Marshals are technically the SWAT team for the court system.

Did BLM have warrants? If so then Marshals should have served

I see you have no clue how peace officers work


Not the US Marshals, no

/And please once again a reminder I am not supporting Cliven in any way shape or form. Since day 1 I have said he is wrong.
//My message was meant to convey an idea to save the government some money
 
2014-05-01 06:38:50 PM

Mr. Eugenides: impaler: But Utah GOP Rep. Chris Stewart told The Salt Lake Tribune that the BLM doesn't need an armed unit

That's probably true, but let me be the devils advocate. What if they have to go in and confiscate something on the land they're managing, from some nut that thinks they can do anything on federal land because it's public? And what if that guy is armed and threatening to use violence?

Now one could argue that is highly unlikely to ever occur...

/Bundy is an argument FOR these guys existing, not against IT, you fuking moron congressman.

No, the cost to maintain a "SWAT" team for an occasional use every few years has to be too high.  Not to mention the political need to use them in order to justify their existence.

Between the Marshalls and FBI, there should be no need for armed commando units in the BLM, IRS or EPA.


No hyperbole here...
 
2014-05-01 06:39:12 PM

Mr. Eugenides: Between the Marshalls and FBI, there should be no need for armed commando units in the BLM, IRS or EPA.


especially when the ones we do have back down from armed racist militia types because they're afraid of a little blood shed.

there's simply not enough of a threat to warrant such units.
 
2014-05-01 06:42:59 PM
You libulardos laugh now

Just wait till Fish and Wildlife Sturmtruppen bust down your doors looking for endangered West African Scrotal Deer Ticks
 
2014-05-01 06:44:25 PM

cman: cretinbob: cman: James!: cman: There is a point in this

Its a bit redundant. BLM should not have a SWAT team when we have people such as the US Marshals. That money could be spent elsewhere.

The US Marshals are technically the SWAT team for the court system.

Did BLM have warrants? If so then Marshals should have served

I see you have no clue how peace officers work

Not the US Marshals, no

/And please once again a reminder I am not supporting Cliven in any way shape or form. Since day 1 I have said he is wrong.
//My message was meant to convey an idea to save the government some money


Rangers can serve warrrants just as easily as marshalls. I don't believe any warrants were actually being served here anyway, so a process server could have done it.
 
2014-05-01 06:47:07 PM
Sorry buddy, but this the cost of the way the right has chosen to interpret the 2nd amendment over the last 10 years.

If gun-nutters want to engage law enforcement in an arms race, it would be irresponsible for law enforcement to not be able to meet said gun nutters with overwhelming force.
 
2014-05-01 06:49:30 PM

Doktor_Zhivago: You libulardos laugh now

Just wait till Fish and Wildlife Sturmtruppen bust down your doors looking for endangered West African Scrotal Deer Ticks


My ticks don't care

/they'd never tock
 
2014-05-01 06:50:45 PM

Infernalist: Personally, I think we need to emulate the Founding Fathers in this.  Washington personally led troops to quell rebellion and treason in the Whiskey Rebellion.

With this in mind, I'd like to see President Barack Obama lead military forces into the region to stamp out this insurrection and rebellion.


Someone set up a Kickstarter.
 
2014-05-01 06:50:54 PM
I thought it was some other police agency that went in with the BLM anyway.
 
2014-05-01 06:51:23 PM

udhq: Sorry buddy, but this the cost of the way the right has chosen to interpret the 2nd amendment over the last 10 years.


Waco was 20 years ago. The right has viewed the 2nd this way for a very long time. To claim that this is something that just happened in the last 10 years is short sided bullshiat
 
2014-05-01 06:51:45 PM

sigdiamond2000: What's with Fark not liking my web browser all of a sudden?

I've got a "Kindergarten Cop" screen grab would blow the f*cking doors off this thread.

I guess the powers that be think I'm a dangerous agitator.


FF 29 has been causing me problems on several sites.  I don't know whether it's FF or NoScript but it's annoying.
 
2014-05-01 06:55:36 PM

Mentat: sigdiamond2000: What's with Fark not liking my web browser all of a sudden?

I've got a "Kindergarten Cop" screen grab would blow the f*cking doors off this thread.

I guess the powers that be think I'm a dangerous agitator.

FF 29 has been causing me problems on several sites.  I don't know whether it's FF or NoScript but it's annoying.


Chrome, biatches

/Or, for the paranoid, SRWare Iron.
 
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