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(Business Insider)   It turns out the smartest people do end up running the country. If by smart you mean came from a wealthy family that could afford to send them to expensive schools smart   (businessinsider.com) divider line 69
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2014-05-01 12:35:38 PM
A lot of the best schools have large endowment. Supposedly to allow access to the worthy lower classes. The social divide remains though and puts you at a disadvantage when dealing with rich people. There are numerous examples of lower middle class people making good careers out of the opportunities the scholarships offer.
 
2014-05-01 12:44:13 PM

Cucullen: A lot of the best schools have large endowment. Supposedly to allow access to the worthy lower classes.



The reason they have large endowments is because they accept and graduate a lot of rich people.
 
2014-05-01 12:47:07 PM

Dinki: Cucullen: A lot of the best schools have large endowment. Supposedly to allow access to the worthy lower classes.


The reason they have large endowments is because they accept and graduate a lot of rich people.


And that their graduates go on to make a lot of money.
 
2014-05-01 12:57:32 PM

R.A.Danny: Dinki: Cucullen: A lot of the best schools have large endowment. Supposedly to allow access to the worthy lower classes.


The reason they have large endowments is because they accept and graduate a lot of rich people.

And that their graduates go on to make a lot of money.


And the reason that kids who go the the top private high schools have a higher acceptance rate to these colleges is that their rich parents have standing and connections with the school (as well as lots of money).
 
2014-05-01 01:37:40 PM
media.knoxnews.com

Because nature and nurture have no impact on future success, only money and family connections...or something.
 
2014-05-01 01:41:15 PM
I want the people who govern the world to be smarter than me, not smarter than you.

The House of Representatives is a big disappointment. Not a surprise, but a disappointment. 80% of them aren't even in the top 1%. Why aren't they running pizza chain restaurants?

Intelligence does not replace representation, especially where the "wisdom of the crowd" effect is desirable. It doesn't replace correct information or logic or common sense either. No wonder the US Congress is anti-climate science, anti-evolution, and anti-education. It is full of Nimrods and ideologues who question the fundamental doctrines of science as established by the really intelligent people. It's full of people who lack the vision to fund science or greater social mobility and equality, both of which are demonstrably successful ways to improve society and our lot generally. The life, liberty and pursuit of happiness which are the aim of government according to the Enlightenment gentlemen who mostly wrote the US Constitution and founded the institutions of the US and other liberal or social democratic democracies is jeopardized or degraded constantly by men who are good but not the best, 1%ers who just fundamentally don't make the cut as Philosopher Kings.

Liberalism, equality, democracy, openness, freedom and justice are all ideas that have proven themselves globally and locally for the last two or three centuries. But still you have a lower house full of second raters and third raters. Even your Presidents and Senators are seldom top rate minds or statesmen. And ours are dumber if anything although the system may or may not work as well or better with the materials to hand.
 
2014-05-01 01:42:03 PM
It's not the content of the curriculum that makes you successful. It's the networking.
 
2014-05-01 02:22:05 PM
The smartest people are most definitely NOT running this country.
 
2014-05-01 02:31:32 PM

R.A.Danny: Dinki: Cucullen: A lot of the best schools have large endowment. Supposedly to allow access to the worthy lower classes.


The reason they have large endowments is because they accept and graduate a lot of rich people.

And that their graduates go on to make a lot of money.


it's the circle of life, now get back to shoveling shiat, you dirty peasants.
 
2014-05-01 02:32:24 PM
Being smart in today's world only leads to frustration and bewilderment.

It's not an asset.  It's a farking curse.
 
2014-05-01 02:32:25 PM

lantawa: The smartest people are most definitely NOT running this country.


They're generally very smart, just not very altruistic.
 
2014-05-01 02:32:39 PM
www.imfdb.org
 
2014-05-01 02:35:52 PM

ecmoRandomNumbers: It's not the content of the curriculum that makes you successful. It's the networking.


Which is exactly what is wrong with the world.
 
2014-05-01 02:37:16 PM

brantgoose: I want the people who govern the world to be smarter than me, not smarter than you.

Liberalism, equality, democracy, openness, freedom and justice are all ideas that have proven themselves globally and locally for the last two or three centuries. But still you have a lower house full of second raters and third raters. Even your Presidents and Senators are seldom top rate minds or statesmen. And ours are dumber if anything although the system may or may not work as well or better with the materials to hand.


Llberalism?  Are you kidding?  You include the term liberalism with the principles of equality, democracy, openness, freedom and justice?

Stop, please.
 
2014-05-01 02:37:36 PM
Smart people get better jobs than running the country. Even the article backs me up on this.
 
2014-05-01 02:39:26 PM
One of the biggest lies america has to offer is that if you are smart and work real hard you will move up the social ladder.
Nepotism is the defining factor for the american ruling class.
 
2014-05-01 02:39:29 PM
Most people in Washington are dum
 
2014-05-01 02:40:15 PM

BMFPitt: [media.knoxnews.com image 607x544]

Because nature and nurture have no impact on future success, only money and family connections...or something.



static.animalpolitico.com

/Derp.
 
2014-05-01 02:40:56 PM

MooseBayou: brantgoose: I want the people who govern the world to be smarter than me, not smarter than you.

Liberalism, equality, democracy, openness, freedom and justice are all ideas that have proven themselves globally and locally for the last two or three centuries. But still you have a lower house full of second raters and third raters. Even your Presidents and Senators are seldom top rate minds or statesmen. And ours are dumber if anything although the system may or may not work as well or better with the materials to hand.

Llberalism?  Are you kidding?  You include the term liberalism with the principles of equality, democracy, openness, freedom and justice?

Stop, please.


The concepts of equality, democracy, openness, freedom and justice would not exist without liberalism. And, with little to no liberal representation in our government, all of those have been corrupted to varying degrees.
 
2014-05-01 02:42:47 PM
There are multiple forms of IQ,

For the most part to get through school and your first few jobs you have to be competent or trainable at a skill set.

To advance weather it be through the business world or non-profit world you have to have a high Emotional IQ.  being from a back ground that has already negotiated a lot of that would be a huge advantage for sure.
 
2014-05-01 02:42:52 PM
ecx.images-amazon.com
read it.
 
2014-05-01 02:42:55 PM

JerkyMeat: One of the biggest lies america has to offer is that if you are smart and work real hard you will move up the social ladder.
Nepotism is the defining factor for the american ruling class.


moving up the ladder does not have to mean becoming a member of the ruling class
 
2014-05-01 02:43:12 PM
Well, isn't this quaint. The Business Insider stroking the cocks of the people to whom they sell subscriptions. Of all the CEOs I have known, only two could pour piss out of a boot with instructions stamped on the heal. They are usually just charismatic, self-loving jerks, who are just smart enough to hire the really smart people to make their businesses a success. There really good one's are rather low-key and don't mind rolling up their sleeves to help get the job done -- you know the first CEO of a successful start-up. The second CEO got to the top because daddy set them up and made sure they had the level of access they needed.
 
2014-05-01 02:43:59 PM

LordJiro: MooseBayou: brantgoose: I want the people who govern the world to be smarter than me, not smarter than you.

Liberalism, equality, democracy, openness, freedom and justice are all ideas that have proven themselves globally and locally for the last two or three centuries. But still you have a lower house full of second raters and third raters. Even your Presidents and Senators are seldom top rate minds or statesmen. And ours are dumber if anything although the system may or may not work as well or better with the materials to hand.

Llberalism?  Are you kidding?  You include the term liberalism with the principles of equality, democracy, openness, freedom and justice?

Stop, please.

The concepts of equality, democracy, openness, freedom and justice would not exist without liberalism.


Bullshiat.
 
2014-05-01 02:46:23 PM
Liberalism = Peter Pan Syndrome
 
2014-05-01 02:47:02 PM

BMFPitt: Because nature and nurture have no impact on future success, only money and family connections...or something.


They run the country? Weird.
 
2014-05-01 02:48:51 PM

MooseBayou: LordJiro: MooseBayou: brantgoose: I want the people who govern the world to be smarter than me, not smarter than you.

Liberalism, equality, democracy, openness, freedom and justice are all ideas that have proven themselves globally and locally for the last two or three centuries. But still you have a lower house full of second raters and third raters. Even your Presidents and Senators are seldom top rate minds or statesmen. And ours are dumber if anything although the system may or may not work as well or better with the materials to hand.

Llberalism?  Are you kidding?  You include the term liberalism with the principles of equality, democracy, openness, freedom and justice?

Stop, please.

The concepts of equality, democracy, openness, freedom and justice would not exist without liberalism.

Bullshiat.


lib·er·al·ism [lib-er-uh-liz-uhm, lib-ruh-] noun 1. the quality or state of being liberal, as in behavior or attitude.
2. a political or social philosophy advocating the freedom of the individual, parliamentary systems of government, nonviolent modification of political, social, or economic institutions to assure unrestricted development in all spheres of human endeavor, and governmental guarantees of individual rights and civil liberties.

lib·er·al [lib-er-uhl, lib-ruhl] adjective 1. favorable to progress or reform, as in political or religious affairs.
2. ( often initial capital letter ) noting or pertaining to a political party advocating measures of progressive political reform.
3. of, pertaining to, based on, or advocating liberalism, especially the freedom of the individual and governmental guarantees of individual rights and liberties.
 4. favorable to or in accord with concepts of maximum individual freedom possible, especially as guaranteed by law and secured by governmental protection of civil liberties.
 5. favoring or permitting freedom of action, especially with respect to matters of personal belief or expression: a liberal policy toward dissident artists and writers.

The fact that you seem to think 'liberal' is a dirty word just goes to show how non-liberal our society is.
 
2014-05-01 02:50:12 PM

MooseBayou: LordJiro: MooseBayou: brantgoose: I want the people who govern the world to be smarter than me, not smarter than you.

Liberalism, equality, democracy, openness, freedom and justice are all ideas that have proven themselves globally and locally for the last two or three centuries. But still you have a lower house full of second raters and third raters. Even your Presidents and Senators are seldom top rate minds or statesmen. And ours are dumber if anything although the system may or may not work as well or better with the materials to hand.

Llberalism?  Are you kidding?  You include the term liberalism with the principles of equality, democracy, openness, freedom and justice?

Stop, please.

The concepts of equality, democracy, openness, freedom and justice would not exist without liberalism.

Bullshiat.


Would it blow your mind to know that the Republican party, Libertarian party, and the Tea Party are all Liberals as well?
 
2014-05-01 02:50:24 PM
Over $17 trillion in debt smart.
 
2014-05-01 02:50:41 PM
encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com
 
2014-05-01 02:52:26 PM
So, you're saying there's an oligarchy that exists by and for money, and staffed by its privileged scions?  Nah, go on, really?
 
2014-05-01 02:53:32 PM
So he measured "intelligence" simply by looking at what universities these people attended? Seems legit.
 
2014-05-01 02:54:43 PM
www.georgecarlin.net
 
2014-05-01 02:55:09 PM

some_beer_drinker: R.A.Danny: Dinki: Cucullen: A lot of the best schools have large endowment. Supposedly to allow access to the worthy lower classes.


The reason they have large endowments is because they accept and graduate a lot of rich people.

And that their graduates go on to make a lot of money.

it's the circle of life, now get back to shoveling shiat, you dirty peasants.


To be fair I don't want dirty peasants running the country. They're revolting.
 
2014-05-01 02:57:47 PM

R.A.Danny: some_beer_drinker: R.A.Danny: Dinki: Cucullen: A lot of the best schools have large endowment. Supposedly to allow access to the worthy lower classes.


The reason they have large endowments is because they accept and graduate a lot of rich people.

And that their graduates go on to make a lot of money.

it's the circle of life, now get back to shoveling shiat, you dirty peasants.

To be fair I don't want dirty peasants running the country. They're revolting.


i hope so, and soon.
 
2014-05-01 02:59:15 PM

odinsposse: MooseBayou: LordJiro: MooseBayou: brantgoose: I want the people who govern the world to be smarter than me, not smarter than you.

Liberalism, equality, democracy, openness, freedom and justice are all ideas that have proven themselves globally and locally for the last two or three centuries. But still you have a lower house full of second raters and third raters. Even your Presidents and Senators are seldom top rate minds or statesmen. And ours are dumber if anything although the system may or may not work as well or better with the materials to hand.

Llberalism?  Are you kidding?  You include the term liberalism with the principles of equality, democracy, openness, freedom and justice?

Stop, please.

The concepts of equality, democracy, openness, freedom and justice would not exist without liberalism.

Bullshiat.

Would it blow your mind to know that the Republican party, Libertarian party, and the Tea Party are all Liberals as well?


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2014-05-01 03:00:20 PM

Ego edo infantia cattus: [static.animalpolitico.com image 392x346]

/Derp.


I agree that her is an excellent example of my point.  Throwing enough educational resources at even an idiot like that can vastly improve his outcome from what I imagine would have been something along the lines of assistant burger flipper.
 
2014-05-01 03:01:25 PM

TheManMythLegend: There are multiple forms of IQ,

For the most part to get through school and your first few jobs you have to be competent or trainable at a skill set.

To advance weather it be through the business world or non-profit world you have to have a high Emotional IQ.  being from a back ground that has already negotiated a lot of that would be a huge advantage for sure.


Written like someone who learned everything they know about measuring intelligence from an episode of The View.


/Emotional Intelligence is not a thing.
 
2014-05-01 03:07:01 PM
1) The smart kids are richer.  Or the average rich kid is smarter.  Using SAT scores as an imperfect proxy,  https://domesatreview.com/content/sat-test-demographics-income-and-et h nicity

Mind you, I KNOW some of you are going to say test prep, but:

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(And I'm only using this because I don't have one by income.  If anyone's got one, please linky so I can use IT instead).

So 1 test prep course is worth $20K/year of parental income and only 15% of the kids take them.  Yeah.  Don't really think that matters a lot.

2) When the guy with a 120 IQ is the stupidest guy in the room, don't really think it's affecting their student bodies.

3) Uh, yeah.  Poor kids don't know how to navigate the byzantine admissions process, and poor kids didn't get taken out of school for a week to write admissions essays (when they didn't just pay someone to write it for them).  Poor people need to start cheating more.

4)  http://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/07/opinion/sunday/douthat-the-secrets- o f-princeton.html?_r=0.  Despite this, yeah, even THEY admit it.

5) And despite that, you're better off being a medium-sized fish in a medium-sized pond than a medium-sized fish in a big pond.  (Note: Most of the research has been done in the context of affirmative action.  There's some signs that it does more damage to legacies as well).

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2014-05-01 03:08:18 PM
 
2014-05-01 03:08:32 PM
Except if you're Mr. Clinton or Mr. Obama.
 
2014-05-01 03:11:19 PM
So the Fark answer to this all is to forbid rich people from paying for their kid's education. Am I doing this right?
 
2014-05-01 03:13:29 PM

Kevin72: [s27.postimg.org image 684x1024]
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BMFPitt: Ego edo infantia cattus: [static.animalpolitico.com image 392x346]

/Derp.

I agree that her is an excellent example of my point.  Throwing enough educational resources at even an idiot like that can vastly improve his outcome from what I imagine would have been something along the lines of assistant burger flipper.


I think a stroke is more likely:

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Plus he had something like a 1230 on his SATs, which was quite good for the time.

/Yes, I think he actually took them himself.
 
2014-05-01 03:18:17 PM

R.A.Danny: So the Fark answer to this all is to forbid rich people from paying for their kid's education. Am I doing this right?



No.
 
2014-05-01 03:19:36 PM

ph0rk: Plus he had something like a 1230 on his SATs, which was quite good for the time.


And if he had grown up in random median income family, he probably wouldn't have broken 4 digits.
 
2014-05-01 03:25:19 PM

R.A.Danny: So the Fark answer to this all is to forbid rich people from paying for their kid's education. Am I doing this right?


I think Fark users (well, some of them, anyway) are challenging the assumption that rich people paying for their kids' education indicates their kids are in the top 1% of ability/intelligence.
 
2014-05-01 03:28:16 PM
Dear wealthy people dismantling this country.

We noticed.


The jig is up.


Stay tuned.
 
2014-05-01 03:29:13 PM

BMFPitt: ph0rk: Plus he had something like a 1230 on his SATs, which was quite good for the time.

And if he had grown up in random median income family, he probably wouldn't have broken 4 digits.


SES and SAT scores correlate, but not very highly.

Maybe you'd have more of a case if you wished to further argue that his score might be lower if he were also black and female?

Post-stroke he was a terrible public speaker, but public speaking skill (and charisma) are rather error-prone indicators of intelligence.
 
2014-05-01 03:30:30 PM

BMFPitt: ph0rk: Plus he had something like a 1230 on his SATs, which was quite good for the time.

And if he had grown up in random median income family, he probably wouldn't have broken 4 digits.


Test prep doesn't do much good, and when he was taking them, MENSA was still using them as proxy IQ tests.

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http://www.iqcomparisonsite.com/Pre1974SAT.aspx

So 130 or so.  (Which is odd, because I thought it was 120).  Even not cracking 4 digits puts him into low 100's-range all the way up to 115.

Better possible way to think of it is:

a) Stroke.
b)  http://lesswrong.com/lw/18b/reason_as_memetic_immune_disorder/ (Smar t people are smart enough to notice that there's a fence there, but not smart enough to understand why the fence is there, and they tend to get into positions of great power because they're smart (Or at least, people in positions of great power tend to be upper-end of smart).  See: Objectivism, Communism, honestly pretty much any -ism dialed up past about 6).
c) If George W Bush is a 120 IQ, and accepting IQ as a reasonable 1 number proxy of intelligence to the extent that 1 number CAN do that, he's smarter than 90% of the human race.  Jump him up to 130 and it's 99%.  How dumb is the other 90%?  I mean, we know that 1% of this country is too stupid to know that murder is wrong, half this country believes in creationism, and that 2/3rds of 8th graders are too stupid to know how to add 10% to a number, but yeesh.
 
2014-05-01 03:32:00 PM

bunner: Dear wealthy people dismantling this country.

We noticed.


The jig is up.


Stay tuned.


The saying "the jig is up" implies some sort of corrective. There is none, short of pitchforks, and the plebs are too sated on beer, burgers, and television to get off the couch and do anything about it.

meyerkev: So 130 or so.  (Which is odd, because I thought it was 120).  Even not cracking 4 digits puts him into low 100's-range all the way up to 115.


I may not recall his score exactly, 1230 sounds right, but i'd have to check - a quick googling says 1206, but that's still closer to 130 than 120.
 
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