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(The Daily Caller)   Study by Federation of Sanctimonious Killjoy Intellectuals says "The Jungle Book" is racist, even though they have Louis Prima confused with Louis Armstrong   (dailycaller.com ) divider line
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2014-05-01 11:48:27 AM  
What's next?  Going to conclude that The Song of the South and Uncle Remus might contain some stuff that isn't PC?
 
2014-05-01 12:01:45 PM  
I heard Mark Twain used the "N-word" in some of his books. We should totally take all his stuff away.

Or we could realize that books are sometimes set in times when the culture had different attitudes and that it's not only OK, but actually educational to portray that accurately.

/I saw a sanitized version of Huck Finn years ago. Chris, it was awful.
 
2014-05-01 12:16:44 PM  
Zooma zooma
 
2014-05-01 12:23:01 PM  
Reading TFA is for people unwilling to go off on tangents that have nothing to do with the article. I thought it was about the little Indian boy, but it's the apes they're on about.

If you see black people when you look at monkeys, maybe it's you that has a problem, not the guy telling the story of a human boy living among animals.
 
2014-05-01 12:40:48 PM  
 
2014-05-01 01:02:14 PM  

MrBallou: Reading TFA is for people unwilling to go off on tangents that have nothing to do with the article. I thought it was about the little Indian boy, but it's the apes they're on about.

If you see black people when you look at monkeys, maybe it's you that has a problem, not the guy telling the story of a human boy living among animals.


The breaking point is confusing Louis Prima with Louis Armstrong. Which says a bit about the preconceptions going into the dang thing. Comes down to it: Disney has ALWAYS gone with the popular music of the time. Using artists who are charting, who have a following, and boosting their audience by giving them what they want. Look at the time a film is made, you can spot who is popular.

Given THAT aspect, a remake may well nip out the "classic" numbers. Though, who knows, they might have missed the time to have the Big Bad Voodoo Daddies do "I Wanna Be Like You." Or Brian Setzer for that matter, but the market may be ripe for a return to that Big Band sound again, given the amount of autotune and synth in the popular market. Me? I'm looking forward to another go for ska, because I LIKE seeing musicians perform and have a grand old time of it on stage. Given the dearth of musicians, as opposed to vocalists backed up by canned sound, it's about time. Maybe even time for a revival for Fishbone and Bad Brains...
 
2014-05-01 01:29:12 PM  
jewishcurrents.org
 
2014-05-01 01:33:32 PM  
Sad story: Jungle book was my daughters favorite movie.  She watched over and over until 9/11 when she told us she didn't like it any more because bad men made the building fall down.  [king Louis scene in the ruins]

In the movie  each animal has a song and dance related to their behavior.  The apes have a silly dance as they are most closely related to man.  It isn't racism it is specism
 
2014-05-01 01:36:39 PM  

hubiestubert: MrBallou: Reading TFA is for people unwilling to go off on tangents that have nothing to do with the article. I thought it was about the little Indian boy, but it's the apes they're on about.

If you see black people when you look at monkeys, maybe it's you that has a problem, not the guy telling the story of a human boy living among animals.

The breaking point is confusing Louis Prima with Louis Armstrong. Which says a bit about the preconceptions going into the dang thing. Comes down to it: Disney has ALWAYS gone with the popular music of the time. Using artists who are charting, who have a following, and boosting their audience by giving them what they want. Look at the time a film is made, you can spot who is popular.

Given THAT aspect, a remake may well nip out the "classic" numbers. Though, who knows, they might have missed the time to have the Big Bad Voodoo Daddies do "I Wanna Be Like You." Or Brian Setzer for that matter, but the market may be ripe for a return to that Big Band sound again, given the amount of autotune and synth in the popular market. Me? I'm looking forward to another go for ska, because I LIKE seeing musicians perform and have a grand old time of it on stage. Given the dearth of musicians, as opposed to vocalists backed up by canned sound, it's about time. Maybe even time for a revival for Fishbone and Bad Brains...

Not ska. A somewhat older musical genre. But, it meets the other criteria you specified, and it's relevant to the thread.
 
2014-05-01 01:39:32 PM  
hebba-debba-doy!

yeah, man
 
2014-05-01 01:40:24 PM  
I'd never made that connection, thanks to those professors I'm now a racist.
 
2014-05-01 01:46:10 PM  
Rudyard Kipling's source material is certainly racist, as was much literature and popular thought of the period.
 
2014-05-01 01:47:17 PM  
That is a classic and should not be altered or banned. More people should concern themselves with present day activities and leave things that happened before their standards were in place alone.
 
2014-05-01 01:47:20 PM  

MrBallou: If you see black people when you look at monkeys, maybe it's you that has a problem, not the guy telling the story of a human boy living among animals.


x4.fjcdn.com

Had an HR issue over this, it involved dynamite monkey.
 
2014-05-01 01:49:00 PM  
Progressive angst and guilt would be amusing if they didn't insist on annoying the rest of us with it.
 
2014-05-01 01:51:59 PM  
The apes' efforts to learn to be like humans is a racist metaphor for black people's efforts to be more like white people...

Nope, no racist assumptions there, no way.
 
2014-05-01 01:56:24 PM  
Wow was that stupid. It reminded me of an English professor i had who believed in Freudian interpretation of EVERYTHING! A gun was never just a gun, phalluses everywhere! Man did that get old fast.
 
2014-05-01 01:57:11 PM  

JoieD'Zen: That is a classic and should not be altered or banned. More people should concern themselves with present day activities and leave things that happened before their standards were in place alone.


Someone made a point yesterday in one of the threads discussing the Clippers owner that I think really hit home. The jist of it was that some people just want to clutch their pearls upon sight of an easy trigger. Why? Probably because it allows them to ignore more delicate problems that aren't as easily solved. Why deal with discrimination in higher education admission rates, when you can just point out a forty year old cartoon and say that it needs to be sanitized. Who needs to address predatory lending practices among lower class and minority peoples when you can just say that The Problem We All Live Withneeds to be banned because of the word on the wall. 

Things like this are an easy out and these people know it.
 
2014-05-01 01:59:54 PM  
On a  side note i heard an interview with the composers of the songs for "The Jungle Book" They said that Phil Harris was a DREAM to work with. Apparently he was one of the nicest men in Hollywood history. I had always liked him and it was fun to learn that he really was a great guy.
 
2014-05-01 02:03:45 PM  
news flash: things made in a racist culture are racist.
 
2014-05-01 02:05:38 PM  

hasty ambush: Progressive angst and guilt would be amusing if they didn't insist on annoying the rest of us with it.

 
2014-05-01 02:07:49 PM  

optimus_grime: news flash: things made in a racist culture are racist.


News flash: Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.
 
2014-05-01 02:13:27 PM  

hasty ambush: Progressive angst and guilt would be amusing if they didn't insist on annoying the rest of us with it.


Don't worry. You guys can start ranting soon about how Pixar movies and the Muppets are a conspiracy against conservatives.
 
2014-05-01 02:14:36 PM  
Sin_City_Superhero:

Man, what the hell happened to Adam Sandler?
 
2014-05-01 02:23:07 PM  

optimus_grime: news flash: things made in a racist culture are racist.


Newsflash: sometimes things made in a racist culture in the past are actually progressive compared to their contemporaries; they only seem racist to future generations that examine them out of their time and context.
 
2014-05-01 02:24:08 PM  
It certainly does stretch the imagination to think that a man who believed strongly in the nobility of the western white man's beneficent role in lifting the inferior cultures of the world from the shackles of poverty by applied imperialism might just have wound up writing something that turned out to seem a wee bit racist by more modern social standards...
 
2014-05-01 02:34:48 PM  

forgotmydamnusername: Rudyard Kipling's source material is certainly racist, as was much literature and popular thought of the period.


Absolutely accurate, and worth considering when producing a modern interpretation of it.  But therein lies the rub: a kid watching the old Disney movie (or even an adult like yours truly) probably isn't going to get the subtext that Kipling was going for.

Honestly: I was just kinda bowled over at how profoundly Baloo fell for Mowgli after knowing him for ONE DAY.  And then Mowgli's all like "later, tater... gotta go.  Pussy, right?"

But then of course Baloo just wanders off with Baggi like "LOL F*ck it."   Cray-zee.
 
2014-05-01 02:35:03 PM  

JoieD'Zen: That is a classic and should not be altered or banned. More people should concern themselves with present day activities and leave things that happened before their standards were in place alone.


is it though? i mean, certainly kiplings writing is from a long time ago but i wouldn't say it is great writing from a literary perspective. i could see the case for reading it in a history or global studies class but not in an english or lit class
 
2014-05-01 02:54:45 PM  
Kipling was a bit of a bigot. But that was the style at the time, I guess.
 
2014-05-01 03:00:22 PM  
It's one of the best parts of the movie, so let's cut that out.
 
2014-05-01 03:06:25 PM  
Fine, The Jungle Book is not allowed at Clippers games anymore.

Next issue.
 
2014-05-01 03:07:32 PM  
Mowgli was white? Who knew?!
 
2014-05-01 03:09:57 PM  
YOU may talk o' gin an' beer
When you're quartered safe out 'ere,
An' you're sent to penny-fights an' Aldershot it;
But if it comes to slaughter
You will do your work on water,
An' you'll lick the bloomin' boots of 'im that's got it.
Now in Injia's sunny clime,
Where I used to spend my time
A-servin' of 'Er Majesty the Queen,
Of all them black-faced crew
The finest man I knew
Was our regimental bhisti, Gunga Din.

    It was "Din! Din! Din!
    You limping lump o' brick-dust, Gunga Din!
    Hi! slippy hitherao!
    Water, get it! Panee lao!
    You squidgy-nosed old idol, Gunga Din!"

The uniform 'e wore
Was nothin' much before,
An' rather less than 'arf o' that be'ind,
For a twisty piece o' rag
An' a goatskin water-bag
Was all the field-equipment 'e could find.
When the sweatin' troop-train lay
In a sidin' through the day,
Where the 'eat would make your bloomin' eyebrows crawl,
We shouted "Harry By!"
Till our throats were bricky-dry,
Then we wopped 'im 'cause 'e couldn't serve us all.

    It was "Din! Din! Din!
    You 'eathen, where the mischief 'ave you been?
    You put some juldee in it,
    Or I'll marrow you this minute,
    If you don't fill up my helmet, Gunga Din!"

'E would dot an' carry one
Till the longest day was done,
An' 'e didn't seem to know the use o' fear.
If we charged or broke or cut,
You could bet your bloomin' nut,
'E'd be waitin' fifty paces right flank rear.
With 'is mussick on 'is back,
'E would skip with our attack,
An' watch us till the bugles made "Retire."
An' for all 'is dirty 'ide,
'E was white, clear white, inside
When 'e went to tend the wounded under fire!

    It was "Din! Din! Din!"
    With the bullets kickin' dust-spots on the green.
    When the cartridges ran out,
    You could 'ear the front-files shout:
    "Hi! ammunition-mules an' Gunga Din!"

I sha'n't forgit the night
When I dropped be'ind the fight
With a bullet where my belt-plate should 'a' been.
I was chokin' mad with thirst,
An' the man that spied me first
Was our good old grinnin', gruntin' Gunga Din.

'E lifted up my 'ead,
An' 'e plugged me where I bled,
An' 'e guv me 'arf-a-pint o' water-green;
It was crawlin' an' it stunk,
But of all the drinks I've drunk,
I'm gratefullest to one from Gunga Din.

    It was "Din! Din! Din!
    'Ere's a beggar with a bullet through 'is spleen;
    'E's chawin' up the ground an' 'e's kickin' all around:
    For Gawd's sake, git the water, Gunga Din!"

'E carried me away
To where a dooli lay,
An' a bullet come an' drilled the beggar clean.
'E put me safe inside,
An' just before 'e died:
"I 'ope you liked your drink," sez Gunga Din.
So I'll meet 'im later on
In the place where 'e is gone-
Where it's always double drill and no canteen;
'E'll be squattin' on the coals
Givin' drink to pore damned souls,
An' I'll get a swig in Hell from Gunga Din!

    Din! Din! Din!
    You Lazarushian-leather Gunga Din!
    Tho' I've belted you an' flayed you,
    By the livin' Gawd that made you,
    You're a better man than I am, Gunga Din!


/may be racist - or not
 
2014-05-01 03:10:36 PM  

MrBallou: Reading TFA is for people unwilling to go off on tangents that have nothing to do with the article. I thought it was about the little Indian boy, but it's the apes they're on about.

If you see black people when you look at monkeys, maybe it's you that has a problem, not the guy telling the story of a human boy living among animals.


I see both black people and monkeys:

img1.wikia.nocookie.net
 
2014-05-01 03:18:34 PM  

H31N0US: Kipling was a bit of a bigot. But that was the style at the time, I guess.


It wasn't considered bigotry in his time.
 
2014-05-01 03:51:17 PM  
The apes' efforts to learn to be like humans is a racist metaphor for black people's efforts to be more like white people, according to Amanda Bell of Yahoo Movies.

 OR....(and I'm just spitballing here), he apes are the closest thing besides Mowgli to actual humans, and as a result, they dance and try to be like people.

Seriously, people need to chill the fark out.

give me doughnuts: Mowgli was white? Who knew?!


Amanda Bell of Yahoo Movies
 
2014-05-01 04:04:23 PM  
The important thing is to make sure to edit out and sanitize all African Americans out of historical works to hide the realities of the time in a way that is more offensive than South of the South could even be by accident.

Just like it is very cool to hear medieval peasants talking about democracy and woman's rights as defined by 21st century issues. Or to think that 17th century racism would line up just the same as today.
 
2014-05-01 04:14:40 PM  

JoieD'Zen: H31N0US: Kipling was a bit of a bigot. But that was the style at the time, I guess.

It wasn't considered bigotry in his time.


Indeed, it was on par with wearing an onion on your belt.
 
2014-05-01 04:16:10 PM  
My little girl went through a Jungle Book phase about two months ago where we had to watch it over and over again for a week straight.  It happens.  To be honest, during the scene where they actually kidnap Mowgli, I thought to myself "gee, someone could try to find this racist."  Just for fun, I went IMDB to see if it had any names associated with the monkey voices.  The only one (Other than Prima) was Hal Smith, the same Hal Smith that was playing Otis the town drunk on Andy Griffith when this movie came out and that would latter voice Winnie the Pooh in the 80's for Disney.
 
2014-05-01 04:23:17 PM  

Odd Bird: MrBallou: If you see black people when you look at monkeys, maybe it's you that has a problem, not the guy telling the story of a human boy living among animals.

[x4.fjcdn.com image 205x114]

Had an HR issue over this, it involved dynamite monkey.


Did you taunt him?
 
2014-05-01 04:23:31 PM  
i think we can all agree that the jungle book was much better when the characters ditched the human, moved out of the jungle and started smuggling cargo past sky pirates
 
2014-05-01 04:37:56 PM  

RoyFokker'sGhost: optimus_grime: news flash: things made in a racist culture are racist.

Newsflash: sometimes things made in a racist culture in the past are actually progressive compared to their contemporaries; they only seem racist to future generations that examine them out of their time and context.


See: Blazing Saddles
 
2014-05-01 04:57:35 PM  
Some people want to see racism everywhere.
 
2014-05-01 04:58:05 PM  
Not that there's aaaaany reason why someone should suspect Rudyard Kipling to be racist...

"Around the time Churchill made his annotation on that disgraceful chapter [i.e. ordering the massacre of hundreds of unarmed protestors] of British dominion over India, Dyer, though relieved of charge, was being feted as a hero on his home island; among the tributes he was showered with was a 26,000 pound sterling purse. Fifty of those crowns had come from Rudyard Kipling, who called Dyer "the man who saved India" and initiated collections for his homecoming prize."

http://www.telegraphindia.com/1130221/jsp/frontpage/story_16587696.j sp #.U2K0Uq1dVYV
 
2014-05-01 05:02:36 PM  
So, actually, this is one obscure professor mouthing off, and being made into a BFD by a couple of asshole RW bloggers.
Whoop-de-doo.
 
2014-05-01 05:20:31 PM  

LoneWolf343: Odd Bird: MrBallou: If you see black people when you look at monkeys, maybe it's you that has a problem, not the guy telling the story of a human boy living among animals.

[x4.fjcdn.com image 205x114]

Had an HR issue over this, it involved dynamite monkey.

Did you taunt him?


Though I did not taunt HR, the action which caused a visit to that department was not my smartest move.
 
2014-05-01 06:17:24 PM  

MrBallou: Reading TFA is for people unwilling to go off on tangents that have nothing to do with the article. I thought it was about the little Indian boy, but it's the apes they're on about.

If you see black people when you look at monkeys, maybe it's you that has a problem, not the guy telling the story of a human boy living among animals.


That's a BINGO!
 
2014-05-01 07:33:11 PM  
The man who wrote White Man's Burden was racist, go figure .
 
2014-05-01 08:09:16 PM  

tlchwi02: JoieD'Zen: That is a classic and should not be altered or banned. More people should concern themselves with present day activities and leave things that happened before their standards were in place alone.

is it though? i mean, certainly kiplings writing is from a long time ago but i wouldn't say it is great writing from a literary perspective. i could see the case for reading it in a history or global studies class but not in an english or lit class


Well then you would just be invalidating your opinion on literature in general, wouldn't you?
 
2014-05-01 08:18:15 PM  

MrBallou: I heard Mark Twain used the "N-word" in some of his books. We should totally take all his stuff away.

Or we could realize that books are sometimes set in times when the culture had different attitudes and that it's not only OK, but actually educational to portray that accurately.

/I saw a sanitized version of Huck Finn years ago. Chris, it was awful.


Clemens put the word in Huck's mouth at the beginning of the story to show what a racist he was. As the novel and the character develop, he calls Jim by his name showing how ignorant bigotry is. It's a literary device.

Kipling was flat out racist.
 
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