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(National Geographic)   Antibiotic resistant bacteria now killing 23,000 Americans every year. EVERYBODY FARKING PANIC   (news.nationalgeographic.com) divider line 134
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2014-05-01 01:55:54 PM  

brimed03: sendtodave: On the upside, if a global pandemic kills off a sizable percentage of people, unemployment will decrease, and the minimum wage would likely go up!

That's a win for the left!

That was the economic effect of the Black Plague. Went a long way towards ending serfdom and was perhaps the first step in ending monarchies.

You could write an interesting "response" novel to that piece of crap _Atlas Shrugged_ in which Howard Roark discovers what really happens when all the *workers* go away.

/go on, build your farking architectural wonders when you have to spend your whole day gathering food and water ahole.
//Ayn Rand was an overeducated idiot who never did a day of real work in her life


Yep.

As the old saying goes, in order to have progress, poor people have to die.  Typically lots of them.
 
2014-05-01 02:01:38 PM  
The problem isn't that we're breeding super=bacteria, the problem is that we're not breeding them super enough.

Keep on using those antibiotics until you've bred 'em big as a mouse. Then you can just step on them. Problem solved. You'll be able to see an infection before it gets anywhere near you.
 
2014-05-01 02:02:35 PM  
I don't have to worry about viruses, I'm behind seven proxies
 
2014-05-01 02:08:48 PM  
wtxf.images.worldnow.com
99 problems and MRSA ain't one.
 
2014-05-01 02:08:49 PM  
If we keep using antibiotics at the current levels, then we will eventually die of antibiotic resistant bacteria.

If we don't, then we'll just go back to dying to regular bacteria.
 
2014-05-01 02:10:16 PM  
Sign up fail.
 
2014-05-01 02:10:29 PM  

The Evil That Lies In The Hearts Of Men: JimmyFartpants: I agree with all of these except #4.  Hand sanitizers are alcohol based, which destroys everything inside a bacteria cell at once.
They can't ever build a resistance to it.

It'd be like a human developing resistance to being tossed into a woodchipper.


cbsnews2.cbsistatic.com
Bad news bro.
 
2014-05-01 02:11:23 PM  
This guy in my stats class said he felt sick so he finished half if his daughters antibiotics
 
2014-05-01 02:19:57 PM  

Kuta: AxemRed: I have some comments about Purell too...

It's not an antibiotic and wouldn't contribute to stronger or resistant bacteria.

It may reduce your exposure to (mostly harmless) bacteria which is debatably a bad thing (hygiene hypothesis)

It won't keep you from getting sick most of the time.
Alcohol doesn't kill Norovirus, the most common cause of the stomach "flu." And the cold and flu are usually caught by touching an infected surface and then touching your nose or eyes rather than your mouth. So using hand sanitizer before you eat but after you've spent hours in public touching who-knows-what and rubbing your eyes or scratching your nose is less effective at keeping you healthy than you might think.

THIS.

/play in the dirt


So....I should be a dirty, dirty girl?
 
2014-05-01 02:21:07 PM  
JimmyFartpants:
I agree with all of these except #4.  Hand sanitizers are alcohol based, which destroys everything inside a bacteria cell at once.
They can't ever build a resistance to it.


There are alcohol-resistant bacteria.

Granted, there always have been.
 
2014-05-01 02:25:25 PM  

tylerdurden217: SpectroBoy: Serious Post on Serious Thread: #4: purell is not an anti biotic. It's gelatinized ethanol.

And ehtanol kills bacteria. So you are saying it's not an antibiotic because it's not from a pharma company?

ProTip: Maybe you need to back off calling other people stupid until you stop saying stupid crap in public.

Yeah, but Serious Post is correct. "Alcohol kills germs within seconds by physically destroying the cell membrane and denaturing proteins within the bacteria." That's not how antibiotics work, therefor ethanol does not carry a risk of creating "superbugs"


And all the guts spill out. It's known as "lysing", hence the "Lys" in Lysol. The "ol" comes from phenol, the active ingredient, which aslo lyses cells.

Antibitiocs can be taken internally; 70% isopropyl alchohol cannot
Some antibiotics are only bacteriostatic, they merely slow growth, on purpose. Antiseptics like alcohol are usually bactericidal. They kill, on purpose.
 
2014-05-01 02:26:12 PM  

silo123j: 1) Quit screaming for a farking z Pac every time you sniffle
2) Quit asking for AB for your snot nosed brat. Unless they have a high fever indicating a bacterial infection, AB will not work on an ear infection.
3) Quit doing C-sections because it is "easier"; kids need the microbes from the vajayjay.
4) Step away from the Purell. You are breeding superbugs with your freakiness about germs.And they are making money off of you.
5) Stop being such a farking germaphobe. YOU NEED THEM GERMS.
6) Take some farking probiotics.

\farkin' people...
\\ farkin' corporations making money off of people
\\\ fark fark farkity fark.


I'm just a pathetic US Citizen.  That means I'm too stupid to decide if I need antibiotics.  They have doctors who are smart, and not at all corporate whores or out to make a quick buck, who are licensed by the AMA who decide.

It's hardly fair to pass laws that say I'm too stupid to handle X and then get upset at me for how X is handled.  The government took away my right to even try handling X.
 
2014-05-01 02:27:29 PM  

sendtodave: On the upside, if a global pandemic kills off a sizable percentage of people, unemployment will decrease, and the minimum wage would likely go up!

That's a win for the left!


On the other hand, the Plague killed off the existing authoritarian government structure and demolished the existing guilds and socialism serf system and fostered the rise of an independent, self-governing middle class. That's a loss for the left.
 
2014-05-01 02:40:04 PM  
Obamacare's fault. Obamacare should provide everyone with a one year sampler of every antibiotic made with minimal instructions on usage.

/free of charge, of course.
 
2014-05-01 02:48:52 PM  

Fark_Guy_Rob: silo123j: 1) Quit screaming for a farking z Pac every time you sniffle
2) Quit asking for AB for your snot nosed brat. Unless they have a high fever indicating a bacterial infection, AB will not work on an ear infection.
3) Quit doing C-sections because it is "easier"; kids need the microbes from the vajayjay.
4) Step away from the Purell. You are breeding superbugs with your freakiness about germs.And they are making money off of you.
5) Stop being such a farking germaphobe. YOU NEED THEM GERMS.
6) Take some farking probiotics.

\farkin' people...
\\ farkin' corporations making money off of people
\\\ fark fark farkity fark.

I'm just a pathetic US Citizen.  That means I'm too stupid to decide if I need antibiotics.  They have doctors who are smart, and not at all corporate whores or out to make a quick buck, who are licensed by the AMA who decide.

It's hardly fair to pass laws that say I'm too stupid to handle X and then get upset at me for how X is handled.  The government took away my right to even try handling X.


I learned growing up that if it isn't green or looking like custard, you don't need antibiotics.
 
2014-05-01 02:49:27 PM  
I'm starting to think GP's are the source of a lot of the health issues in the US.  Over prescribing antibiotics, antidepressants, ADD meds, etc.

I recall when I was a kid antibiotics were prescribed almost 100% of the time when I had a visit.  Even when I just had stitches.
 
2014-05-01 02:50:08 PM  
www.mfablog.ca
/ just sayin'
//survived MRSA
///could do nothing about the Dr. Nick motherf*cker that gave me the infection...
 
2014-05-01 03:03:09 PM  

IRQ12: I'm starting to think GP's are the source of a lot of the health issues in the US.  Over prescribing antibiotics, antidepressants, ADD meds, etc.

I recall when I was a kid antibiotics were prescribed almost 100% of the time when I had a visit.  Even when I just had stitches.


Were you a snitch?
 
2014-05-01 03:10:52 PM  
 
2014-05-01 03:18:35 PM  

silo123j: 4) Step away from the Purell. You are breeding superbugs with your freakiness about germs.And they are making money off of you.


What's the rationale that those alcohol-based antibacterials make for these superbugs?  Alcohol isn't used as an antibiotic, in the sense of the article anyway; but more importantly, are there any bacteria known to be resistant to that?

I mean, I think there's plenty of reasons that this sort of "freakiness about germs" is bad and unnecessary, but I don't think breeding antibiotic-resistant bacteria is one of them.  (Mostly, it's because people use that stuff to try to avoid catching colds, which are caused by viruses, and to my knowledge aren't affected by such handwashing stuff)
 
2014-05-01 03:20:50 PM  

silo123j: 1) Quit screaming for a farking z Pac every time you sniffle
2) Quit asking for AB for your snot nosed brat. Unless they have a high fever indicating a bacterial infection, AB will not work on an ear infection.
3) Quit doing C-sections because it is "easier"; kids need the microbes from the vajayjay.
4) Step away from the Purell. You are breeding superbugs with your freakiness about germs.And they are making money off of you.
5) Stop being such a farking germaphobe. YOU NEED THEM GERMS.
6) Take some farking probiotics.

\farkin' people...
\\ farkin' corporations making money off of people
\\\ fark fark farkity fark.



Our 6.5. year old daughter has never had an oral antibiotic.  She was also va-jay-jay birth, and I nursed her for two years.  We've never owned a bottle of Purell.

No surprise, she seems to be the healthiest kid in her class.  I can count on less than two hands the number of times she's gotten sick in her entire life.
 
2014-05-01 03:28:24 PM  

ruta: A very big this; that's how some AB resistant bacteria start.  People start feeling better once they begin taking the ABs, then stop instead of finishing it off.


Some twits save the remainder for the next time they get sick. Saves on doctor's visits!



My sister does that.  I've explained to her several times why it's a bad idea, and she refuses to change her ways.

/her kid is sick ALL the farking time
//and he has severe asthma
///she refuses to quit smoking around him, too
 
2014-05-01 03:32:11 PM  

yakmans_dad: Shazam999: SpectroBoy: Serious Post on Serious Thread: #4: purell is not an anti biotic. It's gelatinized ethanol.

And ehtanol kills bacteria. So you are saying it's not an antibiotic because it's not from a pharma company?

ProTip: Maybe you need to back off calling other people stupid until you stop saying stupid crap in public.

Holy shiat.

No, it is not an antibiotic.

Here's some other things that kill bacteria:

Radiation.
Boiling water.
Heat.
Cold.

Are those also antibiotics?

Yes. Why wouldn't they be antibiotics? Do you think there's a sign attached to them?


You must be spectroboy's dad too.
 
2014-05-01 03:34:38 PM  

Crudbucket: IRQ12: I'm starting to think GP's are the source of a lot of the health issues in the US.  Over prescribing antibiotics, antidepressants, ADD meds, etc.

I recall when I was a kid antibiotics were prescribed almost 100% of the time when I had a visit.  Even when I just had stitches.

Were you a snitch?


Huh?

nymersic: silo123j: 4) Step away from the Purell. You are breeding superbugs with your freakiness about germs.And they are making money off of you.

What's the rationale that those alcohol-based antibacterials make for these superbugs?  Alcohol isn't used as an antibiotic, in the sense of the article anyway; but more importantly, are there any bacteria known to be resistant to that?

I mean, I think there's plenty of reasons that this sort of "freakiness about germs" is bad and unnecessary, but I don't think breeding antibiotic-resistant bacteria is one of them.  (Mostly, it's because people use that stuff to try to avoid catching colds, which are caused by viruses, and to my knowledge aren't affected by such handwashing stuff)


From what I have heard it isn't that it breeds the superbugs it just makes people more vulnerable to bacteria so they get sick (and use antibiotics) more often.

From what I have actually read (thoroughly) washing your hands is just as effective, and the jury is kind of out on whether or not the use of ant-bacterial is a good or a bad thing when it comes to superbugs:

http://www.motherjones.com/environment/2013/12/germophobia-superbug- hy giene-soap-bacteria
 
2014-05-01 04:53:20 PM  

IRQ12: Crudbucket: IRQ12: I'm starting to think GP's are the source of a lot of the health issues in the US.  Over prescribing antibiotics, antidepressants, ADD meds, etc.

I recall when I was a kid antibiotics were prescribed almost 100% of the time when I had a visit.  Even when I just had stitches.

Were you a snitch?

Huh?

nymersic: silo123j: 4) Step away from the Purell. You are breeding superbugs with your freakiness about germs.And they are making money off of you.

What's the rationale that those alcohol-based antibacterials make for these superbugs?  Alcohol isn't used as an antibiotic, in the sense of the article anyway; but more importantly, are there any bacteria known to be resistant to that?

I mean, I think there's plenty of reasons that this sort of "freakiness about germs" is bad and unnecessary, but I don't think breeding antibiotic-resistant bacteria is one of them.  (Mostly, it's because people use that stuff to try to avoid catching colds, which are caused by viruses, and to my knowledge aren't affected by such handwashing stuff)

From what I have heard it isn't that it breeds the superbugs it just makes people more vulnerable to bacteria so they get sick (and use antibiotics) more often.

From what I have actually read (thoroughly) washing your hands is just as effective, and the jury is kind of out on whether or not the use of ant-bacterial is a good or a bad thing when it comes to superbugs:

http://www.motherjones.com/environment/2013/12/germophobia-superbug- hy giene-soap-bacteria


SNITCHES GET STICHES biatchES!

Also, you've thoroughly read articles about hand washing? Like, you must totes have a lot of free time.
 
2014-05-01 05:10:36 PM  
We must immediately ban all sick people
 
2014-05-01 06:39:37 PM  
Too late. Much too late. You wanted a Dollar Menu at every burger joint in the country. Cheap beef, cheap chicken, cheap pork.

It's not just people misusing antibiotics on themselves - overuse, failure to follow directions, that sort of thing - it's that the millions of cows, pigs, and chickens dosed on antibiotics each year, in factory farm conditions that provide a gladiatorial arena for superbugs, are helping to breed scary things, too.

It's fun, really. Between our industries spewing filth into the air, water, and soil, and our industries using whatever means possible to create ever-cheaper, ever-more-productive creatures for slaughter, we're just writing ourselves a very long suicide note.  I'm just not sure if we're going to gasp our last due to an inversion layer or Captain Trips, but it's coming, and it'll be fun to watch, right up to the end.
 
2014-05-01 08:00:29 PM  
Let's make antibiotic resistant bacteria illegal.

That should do it.
 
2014-05-01 09:24:23 PM  

FormlessOne: Too late. Much too late. You wanted a Dollar Menu at every burger joint in the country. Cheap beef, cheap chicken, cheap pork.

It's not just people misusing antibiotics on themselves - overuse, failure to follow directions, that sort of thing - it's that the millions of cows, pigs, and chickens dosed on antibiotics each year, in factory farm conditions that provide a gladiatorial arena for superbugs, are helping to breed scary things, too.

It's fun, really. Between our industries spewing filth into the air, water, and soil, and our industries using whatever means possible to create ever-cheaper, ever-more-productive creatures for slaughter, we're just writing ourselves a very long suicide note.  I'm just not sure if we're going to gasp our last due to an inversion layer or Captain Trips, but it's coming, and it'll be fun to watch, right up to the end.


Yeah, one case where promoting `tolerance' isn't indicated unless, of course, one is designing a new class of systemic AB's.  The use of growth promoters (sic) in commercial poultry production isn't always owing to the poultry producer's avarice ('suppress the Campylobacter! the chickens grow uniformly and fewer will spill intestinal contents during the automated gutting process!' - FDA said... `forget it, knock off the Baytril' Bayer had a sad, but only in U.S.).  In  the Czech Republic, waste water from a commercial chicken operation was tested.  Breakdown product of the banned antibiotic Nitrofurasone was ID'ed.  Poultry producer hadn't been using the drug(s).  Further testing revealed the source of the chemical was from human use (flushed all around the system - so to speak).  The humans were contaminating the poultry.  EPA has a nice `personal products' page to gander at.

/Oxine is good for surfaces that require abiotic `exactitude'
//think the next go around nature should shoot for a little more rational intelligence and a little less reliance on reflex
///though, one has to admit, we do drag along on our knuckles with style...
 
2014-05-01 10:18:48 PM  

FizixJunkee: silo123j: 1) Quit screaming for a farking z Pac every time you sniffle
2) Quit asking for AB for your snot nosed brat. Unless they have a high fever indicating a bacterial infection, AB will not work on an ear infection.
3) Quit doing C-sections because it is "easier"; kids need the microbes from the vajayjay.
4) Step away from the Purell. You are breeding superbugs with your freakiness about germs.And they are making money off of you.
5) Stop being such a farking germaphobe. YOU NEED THEM GERMS.
6) Take some farking probiotics.

\farkin' people...
\\ farkin' corporations making money off of people
\\\ fark fark farkity fark.


Our 6.5. year old daughter has never had an oral antibiotic.  She was also va-jay-jay birth, and I nursed her for two years.  We've never owned a bottle of Purell.

No surprise, she seems to be the healthiest kid in her class.  I can count on less than two hands the number of times she's gotten sick in her entire life.


Yes.
Glad you are the crunchy type.
I really hate Purell and triclosan.

Soap.
Sing.
Easy.
 
2014-05-02 02:21:39 AM  
came for the Captain Trips reference

/leaving...bemused
 
2014-05-02 10:32:48 AM  

Kittypie070: came for the Captain Trips reference

/leaving...bemused


That's because Trips was a virus, not a bacteria.
 
2014-05-02 10:47:24 AM  
 FormlessOne it'll be fun to watch, right up to the end.

Your post is funner to read in Lord Humungus voice...
mutantreviewers.files.wordpress.com
 
2014-05-02 03:25:32 PM  

MythDragon: [theautodidactintheattic.com image 500x300]

Drug resistance 1 and 2?


I freaking loved that game.  I sailed through all the levels until Zombie... came close a few times but just could not close the deal.  Freaking Greenland was so damned hard to (1) infect and (2) make it spread that I'd have to spend all my points making that happen and not have enough left over to fight the special containment teams they'd set up.  I tried every attack variation I could think of.

Then I started getting unsolicited ad-texts from them on my phone, even with the app killed.  So I deleted it.
 
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