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2014-05-01 12:39:33 PM
So, this is interesting...

AT&T buys TCI Cable (among others).
AT&T sold their cable assets to Comcast.
AT&T then was bought by SBC, changed their name to AT&T.
AT&T starts its own business, Uverse.
and now AT&T wants to buy DirecTV.

This is madness.
This is AT&T.
 
2014-05-01 01:09:23 PM
Buy "high".
Sell sober.
 
2014-05-01 01:12:03 PM
If this happens, Comcast and DirecAT&TV are going to have an EPIC battle over sports broadcasting.
 
2014-05-01 01:15:39 PM
I personally refuse to give any of my money directly to AT&T... so if this happens, buh-bye DSL, Hello god awful arse-raping cable company. At least the cable company doesn't use the worst possible phone system for support... and has local people in their call center. (In other words, they use lube).
 
2014-05-01 01:16:14 PM
DISH not DSL.

/FTFM
 
2014-05-01 01:17:01 PM

Zombies ate my neighbors: I personally refuse to give any of my money directly to AT&T... so if this happens, buh-bye DSL, Hello god awful arse-raping cable company. At least the cable company doesn't use the worst possible phone system for support... and has local people in their call center. (In other words, they use lube).


Get a Roku, get Amazon Prime, Hulu and netflix and cut the cable.

fark them.....saving about $125 a month and I watch anything I want on demand.
 
2014-05-01 01:18:00 PM

Zombies ate my neighbors: DISH not DSL.

/FTFM


There's still Dish Network.  I had them for 2+ years without any complaints.
 
2014-05-01 01:20:28 PM

ChipNASA: Zombies ate my neighbors: I personally refuse to give any of my money directly to AT&T... so if this happens, buh-bye DSL, Hello god awful arse-raping cable company. At least the cable company doesn't use the worst possible phone system for support... and has local people in their call center. (In other words, they use lube).

Get a Roku, get Amazon Prime, Hulu and netflix and cut the cable.

fark them.....saving about $125 a month and I watch anything I want on demand.


Cool!  How does it get that stuff?

Oh. You need a wire.
 
2014-05-01 01:22:43 PM
Satan, meet Beelzebub...
Beelzebub, meet Satan.
 
2014-05-01 01:25:00 PM
When you make stupid, asinine commercials, with a worn-out premise, I change the channel. When I change the channel, I find something else to watch. When I find something else to watch another damn DirecTV commercial comes on. When another DirecTV commercial comes on, I throw a bowling ball into my TV. Don't make me throw a bowling ball into my TV. Make better commercials.
 
2014-05-01 01:28:46 PM
I wonder what will cost AT&T more money?  Paying for DirectTV or the volume of payoffs, bribes, and marketing it will have to do to get this to pass through both the FCC and the DoJ.
 
2014-05-01 01:29:04 PM

netringer: ChipNASA: Zombies ate my neighbors: I personally refuse to give any of my money directly to AT&T... so if this happens, buh-bye DSL, Hello god awful arse-raping cable company. At least the cable company doesn't use the worst possible phone system for support... and has local people in their call center. (In other words, they use lube).

Get a Roku, get Amazon Prime, Hulu and netflix and cut the cable.

fark them.....saving about $125 a month and I watch anything I want on demand.

Cool!  How does it get that stuff?

Oh. You need a wire.


Neighbors unsecured wireless connection.
 
2014-05-01 01:32:19 PM

Driedsponge: I wonder what will cost AT&T more money?  Paying for DirectTV or the volume of payoffs, bribes, and marketing it will have to do to get this to pass through both the FCC and the DoJ.


If your thoughts were true, then AT&T would have been able to merge with T-Mobile.
 
2014-05-01 01:33:48 PM
Dish > DirecTV
 
2014-05-01 01:38:55 PM
AT&T needs to concentrate on growing U-verse's footprint, because they get nothing from DirecTV, save for sticking it to CenturyLink.There is no value in building out DSL then selling Sat TV alongside it when they can build out VDSL.  The only thing that makes sense is to bleed DirecTV's subscriber base as U-verse spreads, then sell the business and those remaining rural customers to somebody with a lot of money to burn.
 
2014-05-01 01:40:02 PM
I'd like to have everybody associated with those TV spots launched into the sun. Starting with the ad agency, Grey New York.
 
2014-05-01 01:40:15 PM
Att is now forcing Att DSL customers to switch to uverse.
 
2014-05-01 01:41:56 PM

Savage Belief: Dish > DirecTV


Why?
 
2014-05-01 01:45:42 PM

haemaker: So, this is interesting...

AT&T buys TCI Cable (among others).
AT&T sold their cable assets to Comcast.
AT&T then was bought by SBC, changed their name to AT&T.
AT&T starts its own business, Uverse.
and now AT&T wants to buy DirecTV.

This is madness.
This is AT&T.


Yeah, AT&T has been a bizarre company for years. The DirectTV acquisition is probably a done deal, since here AT&T has been hiring like gang-busters for a couple of months now. They are primarily wanting IT people with experience in streaming media for "new product offerings."

I received a letter form them a few of months back telling me that my DSL and standard land-line service was being discontinued. I had no choice and would be converted to UVerse. But because I was not being given a choice, they'd waive the installation and other sign-Mup fees (wasn't that darling of them?!?!) My phone service would be converted to VoIP. I didn't like this, since during a power failure, I would have no way to make an emergency call except by cell phone and the cell service is awful in my neighborhood (not enough towers, which they promised to remedy five years ago. I'm still waiting). They got very pissy with me when I told them I would convert phone and internet service, but under no circumstance would I add on television service. And in addition to that, if my monthly bill came in at more than I was currently paying, I'd drop them immediately for another provider. So far, my bill is about $40 less and the service has been stable. However, they spam me constantly trying to sell me new services, even though I have opted out of receiving these offers. I am also suddenly barraged with telemarketing calls and spam from non-AT&T companies. Their privacy policy is a joke.
 
2014-05-01 01:47:06 PM

ChipNASA: Get a Roku, get Amazon Prime, Hulu and netflix and cut the cable.


Doing the math of how many people have shiat internet (if that) and how many people have Dish or DirecTV, you can figure that at least a third of the subscriber base for each of them are rural/hamlet people that have no internet (except tightly-capped cell networks) or, if very lucky, DSL/Line-of-sight internet below 2Mbps.  Get out in stick-land, and basically every single house will have a dish.

For 90% of Americans, "cut the cord" could be a thing.  Dish and Direct are heavily weighted toward the people who won't be doing so any time soon.
 
2014-05-01 01:50:40 PM

Zombies ate my neighbors: I personally refuse to give any of my money directly to AT&T... so if this happens, buh-bye DSL, Hello god awful arse-raping cable company. At least the cable company doesn't use the worst possible phone system for support... and has local people in their call center. (In other words, they use lube).


Dude, you're on DSL and you're complaining about cable internet? If there's anything cable does well it's internet.

/75MBps and it's affordable
 
2014-05-01 01:53:04 PM
OTA digital TV for the win, still have to keep Time Warner for internet until Google fiber hits my area. I can't wait for the day I can finally cancel Time Warner, they love to increase bills by just a little every month, then you call and they have this great promotional rate I can get, so I have to call every 6 months or so to ask for a better rate. Oh, and about their idiotic commercials...
 
2014-05-01 01:55:06 PM

mjohnson71: Driedsponge: I wonder what will cost AT&T more money?  Paying for DirectTV or the volume of payoffs, bribes, and marketing it will have to do to get this to pass through both the FCC and the DoJ.

If your thoughts were true, then AT&T would have been able to merge with T-Mobile.


That's my point.  If they already failed at buying T-Mobile, how much more money are they planning on leveraging to try to get this pushed through?  They can't honestly believe that they will succeed when the Cable/Sattelite TV market has even less competition than the mobile market.  I almost have to believe this is a setup for some strange accounting shenanigans.
 
2014-05-01 01:56:00 PM

Savage Belief: Dish > DirecTV


See I feel the exact opposite.  I have DTV; my neighbor has Dish; and on similar plans for content etc.  In fact he got his Dish setup a few weeks after we got our DTV install since prior to my moving in the landlord had a blanket "no dish / aerial antenna" clause in the lease; until I kindly informed him about federal laws making such clauses illegal.  His dish is mounted on the roof so it should have better LoS than mine mounted on a 4' pole in the yard off the deck.  His picture quality sucks; and during the winter he was out on the roof repeatedly cleaning off the dish because he'd lost service.  On the other hand, my picture is amazing; and the only time I had to clean my dish is when it got coated with ~3" of ice.

Not knocking Dish per se; either service is miles better than local cable offerings and whatever floats your boat and all that; just in my case DTV has proven to be better.

At any rate; even though I'm more than happy with the service; I'd love to drop it and go streaming only but I can't seem to find a solution that isn't a royal PITA.  The common solution seems to be Netflix + Hulu+ + Amazon Prime; and I don't mind having accounts for all of them it's such a chore to go through each one to find what I'm looking to watch.  "Oooh, I'll watch this, no wait, it's not on Netflix, maybe Hulu+ has it.....nope, fark it."  What I *want* is a uniform interface where I've already logged into the services; so it only shows me things that are available to me.  I don't care if the content is coming from Amazon or Netflix or whatever; just show me that its available and play it.  Kind of like CanIStream.it but actually on my TV (that doesn't require me hooking my laptop up to the TV or building an HTPC).
 
2014-05-01 02:01:15 PM
Interesting.

In MD, Verizon has been hawking DirecTV in areas where they don' have FiOS penetration....
 
2014-05-01 02:01:41 PM
Maybe they they can do something with DirectTV's sucking. I doubt it tho.
 
2014-05-01 02:04:31 PM
I need a major sports league to make the leap and present real streaming options (without local restrictions) to really open up the market.

I cut the cord mostly.. I have basic comcast cable, hulu, netflix, comcast internet, and vonage.. which may soon go away too.  I have a chromecast as well.

Sports still kill me.  Last night (using a family member's password) I was able to stream the Flyers on my phone, but couldn't get it on my laptop (to send to the chromecast).  drives me nuts.
 
2014-05-01 02:04:55 PM

ChipNASA: Zombies ate my neighbors: I personally refuse to give any of my money directly to AT&T... so if this happens, buh-bye DSL, Hello god awful arse-raping cable company. At least the cable company doesn't use the worst possible phone system for support... and has local people in their call center. (In other words, they use lube).

Get a Roku, get Amazon Prime, Hulu and netflix and cut the cable.

fark them.....saving about $125 a month and I watch anything I want on demand.


That odd, I did the exact same thing but just buying internet access, and fark all these services that aren't as good as the alternatives.

I can watch any movie, tv show, webisode, blooper, or "lost episode" in a matter of seconds, from any show, ever shown, anywhere.

How much do you pay for access to this tripe ?
 
2014-05-01 02:08:53 PM
Can we vote for worst headline of the year? 'Cos that one sucked.
 
2014-05-01 02:20:38 PM

Sin_City_Superhero: When you make stupid, asinine commercials, with a worn-out premise, I change the channel. When I change the channel, I find something else to watch. When I find something else to watch another damn DirecTV commercial comes on. When another DirecTV commercial comes on, I throw a bowling ball into my TV. Don't make me throw a bowling ball into my TV. Make better commercials.


Frog Protection?
 
2014-05-01 02:27:30 PM

ChipNASA: Zombies ate my neighbors: I personally refuse to give any of my money directly to AT&T... so if this happens, buh-bye DSL, Hello god awful arse-raping cable company. At least the cable company doesn't use the worst possible phone system for support... and has local people in their call center. (In other words, they use lube).

Get a Roku, get Amazon Prime, Hulu and netflix and cut the cable.

fark them.....saving about $125 a month and I watch anything I want on demand.


Yeah, that's great.  Unless you're me and live in the US and also live and die by Tottenham Hotspur and the rest of the Premier League.  I also have a fond affinity to college football and the NFL.  American football isn't a big problem as enough games are broadcast over the air.  College is a little trickier especially come Bowl Season.  BPL?  That's where Xfinity rapes me.

I know this.  You (should) know this.  Xfinity, Dish, DTV, et. al. know this.  So I repeat myself . . .

If this happens, Comcast and DirecAT&TV are going to have an EPIC battle over sports broadcasting.
 
2014-05-01 02:31:33 PM
We have had Direct TV for almost 17 years - since shortly after it started.  Service is very good. Most issues, which are rare, fixed over the phone in a few minutes. And we can change or service, add/subtract channels online.  When we built or media room, they came out and upgraded our receiver and hooked everything up free of charge.

Not an AT&T fan at all.  We use Time Warner for Internet (want Fios, but not available for us yet) and their service is also crap. And in just the last week we are suddenly getting weird pop-up adds on both the PC's and Mac's in the house. Hubbie is a senior programmer and is convinced TW is piggy backing them since we've never had these issues before and it's only at the house.  Pop up blockers not working. If it continues and he can't figure out a way to block them, guess we'll be looking for a new provider!!
 
2014-05-01 02:31:36 PM
If this happens, this will just be another thing that will make me happy I dumped DTV
 
2014-05-01 02:41:14 PM
Very happy with DirecTV and always manage to get an amazing price and free top of the line equipment at launch. Their technology blows ATT and every other provider away by far.

Do not want ATT Uverse inside my HR34/44 boxes. No thx.
 
2014-05-01 02:55:21 PM

JackieRabbit: I am also suddenly barraged with telemarketing calls and spam from non-AT&T companies.


Did you forget to make sure your phone number remained "unlisted"?  Because if you suddenly popped up in white pages after a service transition...  welcome to telemarketer heaven (ie. hell on earth for you).
 
2014-05-01 02:59:09 PM

Shan: At any rate; even though I'm more than happy with the service; I'd love to drop it and go streaming only but I can't seem to find a solution that isn't a royal PITA.  The common solution seems to be Netflix + Hulu+ + Amazon Prime; and I don't mind having accounts for all of them it's such a chore to go through each one to find what I'm looking to watch.  "Oooh, I'll watch this, no wait, it's not on Netflix, maybe Hulu+ has it.....nope, fark it."   What I *want* is a uniform interface where I've already logged into the services; so it only shows me things that are available to me. I don't care if the content is coming from Amazon or Netflix or whatever; just show me that its available and play it. Kind of like CanIStream.it but actually on my TV (that doesn't require me hooking my laptop up to the TV or building an HTPC).


I'm pretty sure Roku's search interface does this.

wwwimg.roku.com

I use a PS3 so I can't confirm it, but maybe somebody else can.
 
2014-05-01 03:02:57 PM

dramatools: AT&T needs to concentrate on growing U-verse's footprint, because they get nothing from DirecTV, save for sticking it to CenturyLink.There is no value in building out DSL then selling Sat TV alongside it when they can build out VDSL.  The only thing that makes sense is to bleed DirecTV's subscriber base as U-verse spreads, then sell the business and those remaining rural customers to somebody with a lot of money to burn.



There are 28 states where AT&T doesn't have aland-line footprint and can't offer U-verse.
 
2014-05-01 03:18:59 PM

rugman11: Shan: At any rate; even though I'm more than happy with the service; I'd love to drop it and go streaming only but I can't seem to find a solution that isn't a royal PITA.  The common solution seems to be Netflix + Hulu+ + Amazon Prime; and I don't mind having accounts for all of them it's such a chore to go through each one to find what I'm looking to watch.  "Oooh, I'll watch this, no wait, it's not on Netflix, maybe Hulu+ has it.....nope, fark it."   What I *want* is a uniform interface where I've already logged into the services; so it only shows me things that are available to me. I don't care if the content is coming from Amazon or Netflix or whatever; just show me that its available and play it. Kind of like CanIStream.it but actually on my TV (that doesn't require me hooking my laptop up to the TV or building an HTPC).

I'm pretty sure Roku's search interface does this.

[wwwimg.roku.com image 658x637]

I use a PS3 so I can't confirm it, but maybe somebody else can.


I might have to look into it again then; when I was looking it up last fall I didn't find any mention of a feature like that; just that it had "apps" (or whatever Roku calls them, channels I think) for all the major streaming services.

Of course that still leaves a method of getting my (and my wife's) F1 fix on the tube.  I already have a VPN service which I can access the BBC streams though we're both rather attached to the NBC (formerly Speed) presenters and the few times we watched the BBC version we couldn't stand the presenters.  If Roku can indeed do a unified search we might wind up having to get used to the BBC guys hah!
 
2014-05-01 03:22:49 PM

rugman11: I'm pretty sure Roku's search interface does this.

[wwwimg.roku.com image 658x637]

I use a PS3 so I can't confirm it, but maybe somebody else can.


Looking further it seems as though this was added a back in 2012; though for the life of me I couldn't find any mention of it last year.  Probably a failing my Google-Fu as that was the only significant thing stopping me from making the switch.

It doesn't (as of what I've quickly looking) remove entries for things you don't have accounts for (EG I don't do HBO, but if I search for something and it's on HBOGo it'll show up); but thats minor and something I can live with.
 
2014-05-01 04:31:14 PM

netringer: ChipNASA: Zombies ate my neighbors: I personally refuse to give any of my money directly to AT&T... so if this happens, buh-bye DSL, Hello god awful arse-raping cable company. At least the cable company doesn't use the worst possible phone system for support... and has local people in their call center. (In other words, they use lube).

Get a Roku, get Amazon Prime, Hulu and netflix and cut the cable.

fark them.....saving about $125 a month and I watch anything I want on demand.

Cool!  How does it get that stuff?

Oh. You need a wire.


The internet is wireless. I discovered that on the documentary "The IT Crowd". Which I watched wirelessly courtesy of netflix!

See. No wires involved, ever.
 
2014-05-01 04:31:14 PM

Wireless Joe: There are 28 states where AT&T doesn't have a land-line footprint and can't offer U-verse.


But, what's the point? I'm not going to have DirecTV plus my LEC's broadband offering and pay full price for both when I can get a double/triple play from the ILEC or cableco.
 
2014-05-01 05:49:24 PM

Savage Belief: Dish > DirecTV


Kick in the junk > Dish
 
2014-05-01 05:53:21 PM

Charlie Crews' Zen Master: netringer: ChipNASA: Zombies ate my neighbors: I personally refuse to give any of my money directly to AT&T... so if this happens, buh-bye DSL, Hello god awful arse-raping cable company. At least the cable company doesn't use the worst possible phone system for support... and has local people in their call center. (In other words, they use lube).

Get a Roku, get Amazon Prime, Hulu and netflix and cut the cable.

fark them.....saving about $125 a month and I watch anything I want on demand.

Cool!  How does it get that stuff?

Oh. You need a wire.

The internet is wireless. I discovered that on the documentary "The IT Crowd". Which I watched wirelessly courtesy of netflix!

See. No wires involved, ever.


True.  The elders of the Internet have bestowed wireless IT Crowd...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UTBsm0LzSP0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UTBsm0LzSP0
 
2014-05-01 06:07:36 PM
DirecTV subscribers: is it just me or have they addressed the rain fade issues a lot? A few years ago a light mist would result in a signal breakup. Now, with the same equipment it's really got to be downpouring for things to get wonky.
 
2014-05-01 06:51:53 PM

Madaynun: Att is now forcing Att DSL customers to switch to uverse.




except in the vast majority of areas AT&T won't even run uverse
 
2014-05-01 06:53:13 PM

mjohnson71: DirecTV subscribers: is it just me or have they addressed the rain fade issues a lot? A few years ago a light mist would result in a signal breakup. Now, with the same equipment it's really got to be downpouring for things to get wonky.


I too have noticed better performance in inclement weather. Did they launch new birds recently?
 
2014-05-01 07:43:30 PM

dramatools: AT&T needs to concentrate on growing U-verse's footprint,


Not gonna happen much more than they already have.  The whole problem with U-Verse, etc, is trying to shove any modern concept of bandwidth through some untwisted, unshielded copper pairs that were installed when we were still fighting in Vietnam.  U-Verse, at enough bandwidth to do multiple TVs and internet, can't get more than 2500-3000 line-feet from the distribution point.  Which is why, where U-Verse is, there are big, power-hungry, metal boxes every third of a mile or so.

The rest of their footprint... there just aren't enough potential customers that closely clustered together.  Certainly rural, but even a lot of suburbs just don't fit the bill.

Wireless Joe: There are 28 states where AT&T doesn't have aland-line footprint and can't offer U-verse.


Not technically true.  AT&T  could (since the 1996 deregulation) overbuild a network (POTS, fiber, even coax) anywhere in the country.  Verizon  could lay FioS in AT&T territory, too.  Cities are not allowed to write monopoly franchise agreements, etc.   Reality, of course, is that it'd be ultra-insanely expensive.  So expensive that even a 'gentlemans agreement' is not necessary.
 
2014-05-02 12:10:21 AM

haemaker: So, this is interesting...

AT&T buys TCI Cable (among others).
AT&T sold their cable assets to Comcast.
AT&T then was bought by SBC, changed their name to AT&T.
AT&T starts its own business, Uverse.
and now AT&T wants to buy DirecTV.

This is madness.
This is AT&T.


And yet, the only inherent change has been who specifically benefits from the destruction of Net Neutrality. And it's never just one person, simply another head of the Beast.
 
2014-05-02 01:11:26 PM
I blame John Zeglis.
 
2014-05-02 01:51:54 PM

haemaker: So, this is interesting...

AT&T buys TCI Cable (among others).
AT&T sold their cable assets to Comcast.
AT&T then was bought by SBC, changed their name to AT&T.
AT&T starts its own business, Uverse.
and now AT&T wants to buy DirecTV.

This is madness.
This is AT&T.


Remember when
AT&T has cellular phone division
AT&T sells off cell division, named AT&T Mobile
Cingular buys AT&T Mobile
AT&T buys Cingular
AT&T wireless
Ta-da
I think this became a fetish for AT&T after they reacquired their first baby bell.
 
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