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2014-05-01 12:59:05 PM  

VGA Hole: Sadly, this is less about actually caring about their fellow man, and more about money. Recently, at my church's council meeting we were looking at the budget and even though attendance is finally holding steady after years of decline, contributions are still falling. Fact is, tithing only brings in so much when parishioners are getting peanuts for pay. And not many rich people attend any church that mentions the camel and the needle.Religious leaders are worried about their wallets, and their wallets are only as fat as their followers.


This, and the fact they're sick of dealing with the poors.  Priests, preachers, and other religious leaders are tired of dealing with the scum of the Earth.
 
2014-05-01 01:01:40 PM  

mrshowrules: Australian Minimum wage: $15
Canada Minimum wage: $12

basically Australian and Canadian workers are worth more than your workers in the US apparently.


Meh... you would need to analyze the cost of living in those countries to make any meaningful comparison.

I looked at Australia a while ago and even with $15 as the minimum wage, workers are only minimally better off than in the US.
 
2014-05-01 01:53:28 PM  

dwrash: mrshowrules: Australian Minimum wage: $15
Canada Minimum wage: $12

basically Australian and Canadian workers are worth more than your workers in the US apparently.

Meh... you would need to analyze the cost of living in those countries to make any meaningful comparison.

I looked at Australia a while ago and even with $15 as the minimum wage, workers are only minimally better off than in the US.


So a person with double the salary is only minimally better off?  Really? I guess you studied it out.
 
2014-05-01 02:39:20 PM  

mrshowrules: dwrash: mrshowrules: Australian Minimum wage: $15
Canada Minimum wage: $12

basically Australian and Canadian workers are worth more than your workers in the US apparently.

Meh... you would need to analyze the cost of living in those countries to make any meaningful comparison.

I looked at Australia a while ago and even with $15 as the minimum wage, workers are only minimally better off than in the US.

So a person with double the salary is only minimally better off?  Really? I guess you studied it out.


He may have an American education.
Australia reading scores = 6th in the world, US = 14th
 
2014-05-01 03:07:32 PM  

monoski: mrshowrules: dwrash: mrshowrules: Australian Minimum wage: $15
Canada Minimum wage: $12

basically Australian and Canadian workers are worth more than your workers in the US apparently.

Meh... you would need to analyze the cost of living in those countries to make any meaningful comparison.

I looked at Australia a while ago and even with $15 as the minimum wage, workers are only minimally better off than in the US.

So a person with double the salary is only minimally better off?  Really? I guess you studied it out.

He may have an American education.
Australia reading scores = 6th in the world, US = 14th


He has a partial point. I just checked a cost of living index and it has the US at  57.74 versus, Australia at 83.95 and Canada at 62.55.

So for the US to be equitable with Australia ($15.20 US an hour) the minimum wage should be $10.45.

To be equitable with Canada, it should be at $10.15
 
2014-05-01 03:09:09 PM  

mrshowrules: So a person with double the salary is only minimally better off? Really? I guess you studied it out.


Amazingly enough, it does cost different amounts to live in different places. For example, $50 an hour will go a lot farther in Mississippi than in California.

With the current cost of living difference between the U.S. and Australia (http://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/compare_countries_result.jsp?co un try1=United+States&country2=Australia ) yes, the person with twice the salary is only minimally better off.
 
2014-05-01 03:32:42 PM  

Zandor: mrshowrules: So a person with double the salary is only minimally better off? Really? I guess you studied it out.

Amazingly enough, it does cost different amounts to live in different places. For example, $50 an hour will go a lot farther in Mississippi than in California.

With the current cost of living difference between the U.S. and Australia (http://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/compare_countries_result.jsp?co un try1=United+States&country2=Australia ) yes, the person with twice the salary is only minimally better off.


Look one post up from yours.  Even factoring in cost of living the US minimum wage is ridiculously low.
 
2014-05-01 04:55:29 PM  
We don't need to raise minimum wage, what we need to do is to give a Basic Living Allowance of 40,000 dollars per year to every US adult citizen. Then give automatic increases tied directly to cost of living every year.
 
2014-05-01 05:35:06 PM  

mrshowrules: Look one post up from yours. Even factoring in cost of living the US minimum wage is ridiculously low.


You won't get an argue on me about it being on the low side. Then again, most of the people that I know that make minimum wage are High School students doing part time work, while the full time work positions pay a bit more, even if you're a cashier somewhere (for example, Glassdoor has listed Walmart cashiers making between $7.25 an hour to up over $13).

Then again, I understand that there are parts of the country where the labor market is so saturated with people willing to work for minimum wage that there is little incentive for some employers to ever pay more.  PewResearch had an interesting article on who makes the minimum wage (http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2013/07/19/who-makes-minimum-wa ge / )

So.. when it comes to minimum wage, yes, $7.25 an hour is low for someone trying to support a family off of it.  $7.25 is also rather high if you are just looking for someone to help out with something that takes no real skill or experience (compared to what it used to be, but that's the cost of inflation).

I guess part of my point of view over the entire minimum wage debate is that the minimum wage should be what we consider the lowest value to be for the part-time un-educated, un-skilled workers, and you expect people to learn a skill or trade to make themselves more marketable and improve their lives and marketability so that they are no longer only capable of making minimum wage.  For example, someone can go take an auto-shop class at the local high school or community college and pick up what they need to know to work at Jiffy-Lube where "On average, lube technicians make around $15 per hour". (http://www.snagajob.com/job-descriptions/lube-technician/ ).

The local charges for car maintenance are $85 an hour at the shops.

Maybe it's just my crazy thinking, but if someone takes a minimum wage job that only requires 30 minutes of training to do, and never looks at expanding their skill set, it's their own fault if they stay at minimum wage.

Now getting additional training but not being able to go somewhere else with it is a different case and maybe the person should look into what the job market is before they go out for the additional training so they can find a field to get into.

But either way, this is all just an off-topic rant ;)
 
2014-05-01 05:37:58 PM  

Galen_Rasputin: We don't need to raise minimum wage, what we need to do is to give a Basic Living Allowance of 40,000 dollars per year to every US adult citizen. Then give automatic increases tied directly to cost of living every year.


Where would you suggest that this comes from?  Just start up the printing presses?
 
2014-05-01 05:39:21 PM  

Galen_Rasputin: We don't need to raise minimum wage, what we need to do is to give a Basic Living Allowance of 40,000 dollars per year to every US adult citizen. Then give automatic increases tied directly to cost of living every year.


By the way.. 5 out of 5 for that particular troll ;)  Realized I was responding to it about 3 seconds after I hit submit.
 
2014-05-01 06:29:18 PM  

Zandor: I guess part of my point of view over the entire minimum wage debate is that the minimum wage should be what we consider the lowest value to be for the part-time un-educated, un-skilled workers, and you expect people to learn a skill or trade to make themselves more marketable and improve their lives and marketability so that they are no longer only capable of making minimum wage.


Except the minimum wage is insufficient to support them while they do that.

I'm of the opinion the minimum wage should be the local cost of living with one dependent. Obviously, such a thing would allow workers to care for a dependent, but what if they don't have one? That's the money they can use to better themselves.

There's little point to saying one should learn a skill to move beyond minimum wage work when the minimum wage in no way facilitates such a thing.
 
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