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2014-05-01 08:09:50 AM  
This is WJWD.

/Letting people suffer in poverty wasn't exactly his thing.
 
2014-05-01 09:46:52 AM  
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2014-05-01 09:53:32 AM  
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2014-05-01 09:53:35 AM  
Sound more like Jesus wamts YOU to have higher wages.
 
2014-05-01 09:53:51 AM  
Well, Jesus IS getting paid very little money for picking vegetables in a field all day, so of course he wants higher wages...
 
2014-05-01 09:56:30 AM  
Cripes, when is enough enough for this guy. The wages of sin is DEATH.

A wage worse than a wage of death?
 
2014-05-01 09:58:50 AM  
99% of Christians (and other religios for that matter).

Ok so life on this planet is short, and your actions here dictate how you spend eternity. Either heaven or hell or maybe varying degrees of each.

So...drive an Escalade to your multi-million dollar church every Sunday and live in a big house with nice things? But hey, slap on a Jesus fish and vote against gay marriage and it's all good.

How could anyone have predicted that the gospel of prosperity would be a raging success. So now we have people making up their own version of a made up set of rules. Brilliant.
 
2014-05-01 09:59:15 AM  

SphericalTime: This is WJWD.

/Letting people suffer in poverty wasn't exactly his thing.



No, that was hers.

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2014-05-01 09:59:35 AM  
They should tie minimum wage to inflation so we don't have to do this dog and pony show every few years with congress.  Tipped workers should at least make minimum wage as well.  Happy may day comrades ;)
 
2014-05-01 10:06:11 AM  
I think the church leaders are asking the wrong guy

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2014-05-01 10:08:05 AM  
Sadly, this is less about actually caring about their fellow man, and more about money. Recently, at my church's council meeting we were looking at the budget and even though attendance is finally holding steady after years of decline, contributions are still falling. Fact is, tithing only brings in so much when parishioners are getting peanuts for pay. And not many rich people attend any church that mentions the camel and the needle.Religious leaders are worried about their wallets, and their wallets are only as fat as their followers.
 
2014-05-01 10:08:46 AM  
Well, yeah, he probably would.

Acts 2

They devoted themselves to the apostles' teaching and to fellowship, to the breaking of bread and to prayer. Everyone was filled with awe at the many wonders and signs performed by the apostles.  All the believers were together and had everything in common. They sold property and possessions to give to anyone who had need. Every day they continued to meet together in the temple courts. They broke bread in their homes and ate together with glad and sincere hearts, praising God and enjoying the favor of all the people. And the Lord added to their number daily those who were being saved.
 
2014-05-01 10:10:11 AM  
Listening to "Jesusland" getting a kick... :)
 
2014-05-01 10:15:50 AM  

farkbot42: Listening to "Jesusland" getting a kick... :)


Right on, love some nofx.

Can't wait for the fundie right wingers to get a hold of this and respond though.
 
2014-05-01 10:19:44 AM  
Australian Minimum wage: $15
Canada Minimum wage: $12

basically Australian and Canadian workers are worth more than your workers in the US apparently.
 
2014-05-01 10:20:50 AM  

mrshowrules: Australian Minimum wage: $15
Canada Minimum wage: $12

basically Australian and Canadian workers are worth more than your workers in the US apparently.


Correction: $11 in Ontario, Canada (bonus: free healthcare)
 
2014-05-01 10:21:05 AM  
8 levels of giving: (think of it like Letterman's Top 10, where the "best" is last)

8. Giving charity unwillingly.
7. Happily giving an inadequate amount of charity.
6. Giving directly to the poor after being asked.
5. Giving directly to the poor before being asked.
4. Where the giver is known to the receiver, but the receiver not known to the giver. (There's apocryphal tales of rich men tying small money-bags to their backs, so poor people could take them without feeling the shame of begging.)
3. Where the receiver is known to the giver, but the giver not known to the receiver. (Similarly, apocryphal tales of rich men sticking coins under the doors of poor people.)
2. Where neither giver nor receiver is known to the other.
1. Endowing someone with a gift or loan, or entering into a partnership with them such that they do not need further charity.

// just sayin'
 
2014-05-01 10:22:52 AM  

mrshowrules: mrshowrules: Australian Minimum wage: $15
Canada Minimum wage: $12

basically Australian and Canadian workers are worth more than your workers in the US apparently.

Correction: $11 in Ontario, Canada (bonus: free healthcare)


How much of it do they get to take home after taxes and what not? Here in the states there is the FICA/Medicare withholdings, but at that level of pay I'm not sure much of anything is withheld for income taxes. Anyone privy to Canada or Australia taxes?
 
2014-05-01 10:22:52 AM  
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"Yes I do, Señores!"
 
2014-05-01 10:24:55 AM  
huh, imagine that

christians actually acting like christians
 
2014-05-01 10:26:14 AM  
has anyone made the joke that jesus is a hispanic name yet
 
2014-05-01 10:26:46 AM  

mrshowrules: mrshowrules: Australian Minimum wage: $15
Canada Minimum wage: $12

basically Australian and Canadian workers are worth more than your workers in the US apparently.

Correction: $11 in Ontario, Canada (bonus: free healthcare)


Psh, well unemployment must be high, too!  Right?  Right?!

/5.8% - Australia | 6.9% - Canada
 
2014-05-01 10:29:33 AM  
The proposal is to phase this in over a period of two and a half years? And there's still difficulty getting it passed?

What. The. Fark.

Raise is $1.50 now, and fifty cents every six months. Year and a half should be plenty of time for businesses to adjust their prices.
 
2014-05-01 10:29:42 AM  
Democrats do not believe in God.  That is why the Democratically controlled Senate voted down a minimum wage hike.  Perhaps if we vote for people who do believe in God we can have the poor taken care of.
 
2014-05-01 10:29:53 AM  
So why is all this on the government? Why don't the employers step up to the plate, and raise their wages themselves for their own employees? How about all those doctors that own McDonalds franchises with 10 or more stores? Or maybe the Waltons could weigh in on this for us?
 
2014-05-01 10:30:10 AM  

Zandor: mrshowrules: mrshowrules: Australian Minimum wage: $15
Canada Minimum wage: $12

basically Australian and Canadian workers are worth more than your workers in the US apparently.

Correction: $11 in Ontario, Canada (bonus: free healthcare)

How much of it do they get to take home after taxes and what not? Here in the states there is the FICA/Medicare withholdings, but at that level of pay I'm not sure much of anything is withheld for income taxes. Anyone privy to Canada or Australia taxes?


Don't know the actual numbers, but when I was in grad school in the US (making between $1100 and $1400 a month), when I filed my US taxes I got a refund and when I filed my Canadian taxes (where I could deduct my US taxes) I got a refund/credit there too. So for low incomes, the taxes are lower in Canada. Now that I make a semi-decent wage (still in the US). The amount of my US tax refund usually just about covers the remainder that I owe in Canada.
 
2014-05-01 10:34:13 AM  

MisterRonbo: The proposal is to phase this in over a period of two and a half years? And there's still difficulty getting it passed?


That's pretty standard. The last raise was a rider passed in 2007 that raised the wage from 5.15 to the 7.25 we have today - a 70-cent increase 60 days after passages, another 70 cents after 12 months, and the last 70 cents 12 months after that.

Everything you hear about "shocking the system" is derp from people who don't realize that it's a phased-in increase.
 
2014-05-01 10:35:36 AM  

MisterRonbo: The proposal is to phase this in over a period of two and a half years? And there's still difficulty getting it passed?

What. The. Fark.

Raise is $1.50 now, and fifty cents every six months. Year and a half should be plenty of time for businesses to adjust their prices.


Yeah, that really ticks me off.  We have to fight tooth and nail for a whopping $3 raise over 2.5 years, only to be back in the same, exact, position.  The poor can never get even slightly less poor by doing these paltry raises.  But the worst part is that if it was up to the GOP, there would be no raise at all, ever!
 
2014-05-01 10:41:54 AM  

nocturnal001: 99% of Christians (and other religios for that matter).

Ok so life on this planet is short, and your actions here dictate how you spend eternity. Either heaven or hell or maybe varying degrees of each.

So...drive an Escalade to your multi-million dollar church every Sunday and live in a big house with nice things? But hey, slap on a Jesus fish and vote against gay marriage and it's all good.

How could anyone have predicted that the gospel of prosperity would be a raging success. So now we have people making up their own version of a made up set of rules. Brilliant.


 Its called religion.
 
2014-05-01 10:47:17 AM  

Jackson Herring: has anyone made the joke that jesus is a hispanic name yet




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2014-05-01 10:47:47 AM  

Dr Dreidel: 8 levels of giving: (think of it like Letterman's Top 10, where the "best" is last)

8. Giving charity unwillingly.
7. Happily giving an inadequate amount of charity.
6. Giving directly to the poor after being asked.
5. Giving directly to the poor before being asked.
4. Where the giver is known to the receiver, but the receiver not known to the giver. (There's apocryphal tales of rich men tying small money-bags to their backs, so poor people could take them without feeling the shame of begging.)
3. Where the receiver is known to the giver, but the giver not known to the receiver. (Similarly, apocryphal tales of rich men sticking coins under the doors of poor people.)
2. Where neither giver nor receiver is known to the other.
1. Endowing someone with a gift or loan, or entering into a partnership with them such that they do not need further charity.

// just sayin'


Cool, I've hit level 2, and I don't even believe in god.
 
2014-05-01 10:48:16 AM  
No surprise, subby.  Tithing, how does it work?
 
2014-05-01 10:50:33 AM  
Talk about some naive Christians. Republicans don't actually CARE about religion, they just USE religion to get you to vote for them.
 
2014-05-01 10:52:37 AM  

Pick: So why is all this on the government? Why don't the employers step up to the plate, and raise their wages themselves for their own employees? How about all those doctors that own McDonalds franchises with 10 or more stores? Or maybe the Waltons could weigh in on this for us?


Because employers have been doing their damndest to keep wages low and squeeze more profit out of workers. Hell look at the scandal at Google, Apple, and other tech companies that colluded not to hire each others talent. This had an effect in depressing wages for the tech sector.

It is supposed to be illegal, but even million dollar fines don't make multi-billion dollar companies take notice. Those fines are so low it is now just considered the cost of doing business. If I had my way those fines would be 1/4 of all gross for the years where the violations occurred, payable upon assessment.
 
2014-05-01 10:54:00 AM  

mediablitz: Talk about some naive Christians Democrats. Republicans Democrats don't actually CARE about religion the poor, they just USE religion the poor to get you to vote for them.



FTFY
 
2014-05-01 10:56:39 AM  
I give generously to my local foodbank, but lately I've begun to feel like a chump.  I'm wondering if greedy corporations are taking advantage of the charitable donations of people like myself so that they don't have to pay their workers a living wage.

I'm torn between wanting to assist my community, but not wanting employers to have the foodbank as an excuse to withhold higher wages.
 
2014-05-01 11:00:42 AM  

Galen_Rasputin: Cool, I've hit level 2, and I don't even believe in god.


Cool, neither do I. Nice thing about money - it spends the same no matter your religion. :)
 
2014-05-01 11:01:17 AM  
The Rev. James Perkins, vice president of the Progressive National Baptist Convention
What is this about six people?
 
2014-05-01 11:03:35 AM  
We just need to index minimum wage to be a state by state poverty line for a family of 3.

The state poverty line is indexed to the proper metrics as well.

All of a sudden, people stop receiving as much government assistance (spending cut) and people pay more taxes (revenue increase).

Add this in with a small increase in taxes to the rich, maybe even a few percent to capital gains and all of a sudden we may just even out our budget.
 
2014-05-01 11:03:43 AM  
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2014-05-01 11:08:27 AM  

Graffito: I give generously to my local foodbank, but lately I've begun to feel like a chump.  I'm wondering if greedy corporations are taking advantage of the charitable donations of people like myself so that they don't have to pay their workers a living wage.

I'm torn between wanting to assist my community, but not wanting employers to have the foodbank as an excuse to withhold higher wages.


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2014-05-01 11:09:11 AM  

Pick: So why is all this on the government? Why don't the employers step up to the plate, and raise their wages themselves for their own employees? How about all those doctors that own McDonalds franchises with 10 or more stores? Or maybe the Waltons could weigh in on this for us?


In different parts of the U.S. the amount being paid at entry level jobs isn't minimum wage. It's based on labor supply and demand. For example, when I lived in a growing community where there was a shortage of employees and a glut of jobs, highschool kids were getting double the minimum wage to work at McDonald's.  On the other hand, when I went off to college where there was an abundance of people looking for work, I was offered 50 cents over minimum wage to work as help desk IT staff for the University and they thought they were being generous.

So, to answer your question "why is all this on the government? Why don't the employers step up to the plate, and raise the wages themselves for their own employees?"  Employers do raise the wages themselves when it benefits the company.  They also keep wages low when it's feasible given the sheer volume of cheap labor.  The University saw the cheap labor as a way of keeping their costs down, theoretically passing the savings on to the students paying tuition so that they didn't need to pay as much.  The reason people are looking to the government is that there are places in the country where there is a glut of unskilled workers and a shortage of unskilled jobs. The last recruiter that I spoke to mentioned that current stats had 2 jobs for every job seeker in a technical/engineering field and 9 job seekers for every 1 available opening in an unskilled job.   With that kind of a ratio, employers of minimum wage positions are going to be able to keep their costs down by changing out employees at need and only offering higher wages gradually to those that stick around and prove they add value to the company.

Since there is little incentive to bring people in for unskilled labor positions for more than the market is asking, the workers that are competing for the lower wage positions are looking to the government saying, "The employers in my area aren't paying enough to live on, please fix it."
 
2014-05-01 11:27:12 AM  

Fubini: Well, yeah, he probably would.

Acts 2

They devoted themselves to the apostles' teaching and to fellowship, to the breaking of bread and to prayer. Everyone was filled with awe at the many wonders and signs performed by the apostles.  All the believers were together and had everything in common. They sold property and possessions to give to anyone who had need. Every day they continued to meet together in the temple courts. They broke bread in their homes and ate together with glad and sincere hearts, praising God and enjoying the favor of all the people. And the Lord added to their number daily those who were being saved.


I would add:
Mathew 19:21

21 Jesus answered, "If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me."

Acts 4:32-35

32 All the believers were one in heart and mind. No one claimed that any of their possessions was their own, but they shared everything they had. 33 With great power the apostles continued to testify to the resurrection of the Lord Jesus. And God's grace was so powerfully at work in them all 34 that there were no needy persons among them. For from time to time those who owned land or houses sold them, brought the money from the sales 35 and put it at the apostles' feet, and it was distributed to anyone who had need.
 
2014-05-01 11:54:48 AM  

Petey4335: I would add:
Mathew 19:21


The Matthew verse is a little iffy, because there Jesus isn't really talking about possessions, he's talking about idolatry. For that particular person, their love of money came between him and Jesus. That's the point of the story. When Jesus tells him to sell his possessions, Jesus isn't telling everyone that they should sell all their possessions*, he's telling that particular person to.

Now, that doesn't mean that the lesson doesn't have greater applicability, and I'm not saying that Jesus doesn't command his followers to take care others in that way (sheep & goats, etc.), but wealth is not explicitly a bad thing.

*Jesus did live like a vagabond, and so did his apostles. There's absolutely no reason not to sell all your things and go into ministry. When he says that stuff, he's speaking out of experience- that's what he himself did. It's certainly a challenge to all Christians, but I don't think it rises to the level of a command.
 
2014-05-01 11:56:22 AM  

FarkedOver: They should tie minimum wage to inflation so we don't have to do this dog and pony show every few years with congress.  Tipped workers should at least make minimum wage as well.  Happy may day comrades ;)


They should tie minimum wages to maximum wages in a company.

Something like "the combined wages and benefits of the lowest paid employee will not be less than 10% of the combined wages and benefits of the highest paid employee, and no less than [some value calculated from cost if living and inflation]"

Throw in something to ensure an hourly wage equivalence for part time workers and something to account for the scam of "contractors" who work the same as regular employees.
 
2014-05-01 12:19:45 PM  

mrshowrules: Australian Minimum wage: $15
Canada Minimum wage: $12

basically Australian and Canadian workers are worth more than your workers in the US apparently.


Canadian middle class just past the US in economic standing...
 
2014-05-01 12:20:39 PM  

FarkedOver: They should tie minimum wage to inflation so we don't have to do this dog and pony show every few years with congress.  Tipped workers should at least make minimum wage as well.  Happy may day comrades ;)


Minimum wage in Ohio is tied to inflation. It's actually pretty nice, since there hasn't been any inflation to speak of. (/sarc) It's automatically gone up something like $0.25 in the last 4 or 5 years, ALL THE WAY up to $7.90 an hour.
 
2014-05-01 12:25:55 PM  
If you want to shut down any conservative who is against raising the minimum wage, just ask him if he would rather have people get their living wages from employers, or from the gov't in the form of welfare.

Republicans even admit that people aren't starving and have access to insurance from low income programs, all the while obstructing living wage laws and expanding what they claim is the most evil of gov't, the welfare state.
 
2014-05-01 12:26:14 PM  

SphericalTime: This is WJWD.

/Letting people suffer in poverty wasn't exactly his thing.


Didn't he want people to give up all their possessions? Sounds to me like he wanted people to be poor.
 
2014-05-01 12:35:14 PM  

Zandor: mrshowrules: mrshowrules: Australian Minimum wage: $15
Canada Minimum wage: $12

basically Australian and Canadian workers are worth more than your workers in the US apparently.

Correction: $11 in Ontario, Canada (bonus: free healthcare)

How much of it do they get to take home after taxes and what not? Here in the states there is the FICA/Medicare withholdings, but at that level of pay I'm not sure much of anything is withheld for income taxes. Anyone privy to Canada or Australia taxes?


Can speak to Australia but anyone making minimum wages in Canada pays no income taxes.
 
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