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2014-05-01 12:54:48 PM  
See?
Old dogs can teach new tricks...
 
2014-05-01 01:03:58 PM  

johnphantom: How did they get all the water needed across the desert?


The pyramids are not far from the Nile.  Most of the distance was over water.  They know where the stones were quarried because, among other things, an obelisk which developed a crack was left partially carved.
 
2014-05-01 01:08:30 PM  
Old news, so exciting.
 
2014-05-01 01:39:05 PM  

Clemkadidlefark: Dear Gizmodo - if this is true, prove your madcap 'theory' at Sacsayhuama,Peru


Hmm.  Can anyone think of a reason why a theory about moving stones across a sandy desert would not be applicable to a mountainous region in Peru?
 
2014-05-01 01:52:41 PM  

Strik3r: my_cats_breath_smells_like_cat_food: Orgasmatron138: born_yesterday: Let's quit talking about how they built the pyramids and start talking about RE-building the pyramids.

I'm talkin' white limestone and gold caps and everything.  Tell me that wouldn't be awesome?

I hate that we don't seem to be into making great monuments or fancy-looking buildings anymore. Everything is too functional and practical.

La Sagrada Familia

That has to be the most penises (penii ?) I have ever seen on one building. Really.... you think they could have gotten another spire or 2 in there?  LOL


Hehe, I guess if you have penis-on-the-brain, you are going to see a lot of them.


Gaudi's work always seemed more organic and trippy than phallic to me, but I guess La Sagrada Familia could be an exception.

/One of my favorite architects, and definitely one of the most unique
//Brilliant method of devising structural forms too
 
2014-05-01 02:13:29 PM  

DubtodaIll: J. Frank Parnell: Except the stones the great pyramids are made of weigh so much more. Like 70 or 200 tons more. Our best modern cranes can't lift the things, and we're supposed to believe they floated them many miles downriver from where they were quarried on rafts made of reeds, then put logs under them and rolled them over sand for many more miles. Yes, sand.

There are even some megalithic stones around the world which weigh over a thousand tons. Something is definitely up when we're supposed to believe primitive cultures did things we still can't.

I'm going to go ahead and assume you're just making a joke or something.  We have cranes that can lift upwards of 5.5million pounds, or roughly 2750 tons.  We can put 200ton cranes on wheels.  And power it with roughly 500hp, which is about the same force you could get out of ~3000 organized laborers.    As far as the article goes, 2.5 tons is not all that much weight and could easily be moved with enough people and enough time which the Egyptians had plenty of each.
What a 200ton crane might light like:
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Don't be so quick to judge.  I have J. Frank Parnell's posts marked in red as an "Edgar Cayce believer" & "Anti-Vaxxer".  Wouldn't surprise me if he buys into the ancient alien stuff as well.
 
2014-05-01 02:15:50 PM  

untaken_name: robohobo: Maybe because he's interested in the topic? Instead of, you know, interested in being a dick? FFS.

Then why didn't he post about the topic? That seems like a better route to take if you're interested in the topic. Instead of, you know, posting retarded non sequiturs. Also, I asked him, not you, dumbass. FFS.

/not interested in being a dick
//also not interested in NOT being a dick
///GFY if you don't like it.


wow you are a douchebag.
 
2014-05-01 02:27:53 PM  

Ishkur: Frederick: It just doesnt pass the logic test.

You do realize we're talking about religion, right? ...logic has nothing to do with it.

Frederick: We're to believe Pharaohs dedicated the entire countries wealth and resources to building pyramids as burial chambers -some 20 years supposedly in the making- and then planned no security?

What, mummy's curse isn't good enough for you? They were a superstitious people obsessed with immortality, and they believed their rulers were literal gods. Who would have the nerve to even think about desecrating their holy resting places?

Frederick: And who exactly was robbing these places?

Their descendents. They did not anticipate that cultural attitudes toward the infallible Pharaohs would change over time, especially when the early ones were so insisting on burying a sizable chunk of the country's gross domestic product with them. That left later dynasties a little cash-strapped which they resented.

The diminishing power of the Pharaohs in the First Intermediate Period meant that no one was afraid anymore of any divine retribution if they jacked the jewelry from their great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-grandking's tomb.


I've never taken the time to do the research it would require to prove it, but it has always been a theory of mine that all of those graves that were "robbed" were probably done so almost immediately after they were sealed up and done most likely by the successor to the guy they just buried.  The number and quantity of grave goods that was believed to have gone into those tombs represents just too high a portion of Egypt's GDP at the time for the state to have survived not putting them back into circulation quickly
 
2014-05-01 02:45:47 PM  
Magorn:

Ishkur: Frederick: It just doesnt pass the logic test.

You do realize we're talking about religion, right? ...logic has nothing to do with it.

Frederick: We're to believe Pharaohs dedicated the entire countries wealth and resources to building pyramids as burial chambers -some 20 years supposedly in the making- and then planned no security?

What, mummy's curse isn't good enough for you? They were a superstitious people obsessed with immortality, and they believed their rulers were literal gods. Who would have the nerve to even think about desecrating their holy resting places?

Frederick: And who exactly was robbing these places?

Their descendents. They did not anticipate that cultural attitudes toward the infallible Pharaohs would change over time, especially when the early ones were so insisting on burying a sizable chunk of the country's gross domestic product with them. That left later dynasties a little cash-strapped which they resented.

The diminishing power of the Pharaohs in the First Intermediate Period meant that no one was afraid anymore of any divine retribution if they jacked the jewelry from their great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-grandking's tomb.

I've never taken the time to do the research it would require to prove it, but it has always been a theory of mine that all of those graves that were "robbed" were probably done so almost immediately after they were sealed up and done most likely by the successor to the guy they just buried. The number and quantity of grave goods that was believed to have gone into those tombs represents just too high a portion of Egypt's GDP at the time for the state to have survived not putting them back into circulation quickly


Pretty much. One of the main reasons we have Tutankhamen's grave spoils is because he was the nephew of the most unpopular Pharoah *ever* and he died before he came of age. No one figured his grave was worth robbing because he was such a punk.

There is a reason why there's all sorts of 'Indiana Jones' legends of tomb traps though, for exactly the reasons you spoke of. I would not be surprised if more than one Pharoah stroked his (or her in the case of Hapsetshut) beard and thought of the amount of gold buried with good old uncle Merneptah.
 
2014-05-01 03:13:46 PM  
Magorn:

Ishkur: Frederick: It just doesnt pass the logic test.

You do realize we're talking about religion, right? ...logic has nothing to do with it.

Frederick: We're to believe Pharaohs dedicated the entire countries wealth and resources to building pyramids as burial chambers -some 20 years supposedly in the making- and then planned no security?

What, mummy's curse isn't good enough for you? They were a superstitious people obsessed with immortality, and they believed their rulers were literal gods. Who would have the nerve to even think about desecrating their holy resting places?

Frederick: And who exactly was robbing these places?

Their descendents. They did not anticipate that cultural attitudes toward the infallible Pharaohs would change over time, especially when the early ones were so insisting on burying a sizable chunk of the country's gross domestic product with them. That left later dynasties a little cash-strapped which they resented.

The diminishing power of the Pharaohs in the First Intermediate Period meant that no one was afraid anymore of any divine retribution if they jacked the jewelry from their great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-grandking's tomb.

I've never taken the time to do the research it would require to prove it, but it has always been a theory of mine that all of those graves that were "robbed" were probably done so almost immediately after they were sealed up and done most likely by the successor to the guy they just buried. The number and quantity of grave goods that was believed to have gone into those tombs represents just too high a portion of Egypt's GDP at the time for the state to have survived not putting them back into circulation quickly


Just as perspective, even before I could recognize Rameses II's cartouche, I always could pick his out on a wall because it was cut twice as deep as anyone else's.

Why? Because he of Ozymandas fame had no problem at all having people cut his forebears' name out of records and plastering his name over it. That's a guy who would have no problem with grave robbing.
 
2014-05-01 03:46:57 PM  

SpectroBoy: MaudlinMutantMollusk: Huh... I thought they poured Jews on it

Jews are like 70 percent water!


Not after 10 days of Matzos
 
2014-05-01 04:31:52 PM  
Sorry to burst everybody's bubble, but the Egyptians live on sand, the sand was dug out to form canals, the blocks were simply floated to the location, then the hard part was to move them into place. The wet san did help them from that point, up along ramps.
 
2014-05-01 05:02:05 PM  

Loan Starr: I always thought the 'This Old Pyramid' episode of NOVA from the early 90's tackled these topics pretty well, although who knows what's been debunked or discovered since then:

http://youtu.be/S7vBlWN3c-0

The main premise of the show was to see if they could build a small pyramid in a certain amount of time, using only tools and methods known (or theorized) to have existed in Ancient Egypt.  I scanned through the video and, yeah, they use water to help their makeshift sleds move across the sand easier.  Along with either rollers or embedded planks of wood.  Wet sand doesn't seem to be a new discovery.


When the claim from "alternate" theorists is that "they couldn't have moved these particularly large stones with pulleys" then someone "debunks" it by working with something 1/4 sized, I feel cheated.
Build a 1/1 Pyramid, move a 1/1 Moai.
 
2014-05-01 07:20:51 PM  

Ishkur: Lukeonia1: Nope, the general consensus is that the folks who built the pyramids were paid laborers. After all, would you want your monument carved by a surly, unpaid slave?

It's not that they were paid laborers, it's that the Nile river floods like clockwork for three months every year. So you have this massive agrarian population who literally have nothing to do, waiting for the waters to recede so they could plant/harvest their crops.


It wasn't just that.  Up until a couple hundred years ago, the rule was that it required around 90% of your population to produce enough food for your people.  The only large-scale exception to that ever was in Egypt, where the Nile flooding yearly gave them fertile enough land that it's estimated it only required around half their population to be farmers, which of gave the Egyptians a vastly greater pool of laborers (and free time) than any other civilization.
 
2014-05-01 08:17:23 PM  

GungFu: Frederick: SauronWasFramed:
And...Man Moves Huge Blocks!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pCvx5gSnfW4


Did you watch the video?  He does not stack them.  Huge difference.

GungFu: t seems to me that your knowledge of Ancient Egypt is extremely limited. They've made documentaries on the worker's villages found near the great pyramids, ffs.


I've seen them.  Are you aware of where the source of that information came from?  Zahi Hawass the head of Egyptian antiquities at the time.  And if you dont know what that position did for him then you are the one uninformed.

maxheck: Why? Because he of Ozymandas fame had no problem at all having people cut his forebears' name out of records and plastering his name over it.


And even with this practice widely known and accepted their written history is still bizarrely accepted as fact.
 
2014-05-01 08:19:18 PM  
i.imgur.com
 
2014-05-01 09:54:34 PM  

cretinbob: Now move 2.3 million of them in 20 years


The idea that the whole pyramid is constructed of large, boxy shapes cut in stone is retarded. The only stones like that were the first few courses under the casing. Inside that was total bullshiat.

egyptsites.files.wordpress.com

This isn't from farking erosion, dude. Pyramids are not farking geologically old. These pyramids get their large casing blocks "liberated" for other projects. This is what is left behind.

And it can only be seen in...oh...every farking pyramid in Egypt.
 
2014-05-02 04:20:21 AM  

johnphantom: How did they get all the water needed across the desert?


By train.

www.pamirs.org
 
2014-05-02 04:47:00 AM  

Orgasmatron138: born_yesterday: Let's quit talking about how they built the pyramids and start talking about RE-building the pyramids.

I'm talkin' white limestone and gold caps and everything.  Tell me that wouldn't be awesome?

I hate that we don't seem to be into making great monuments or fancy-looking buildings anymore. Everything is too functional and practical.


They take a long time to finish.

www.manataka.org
 
2014-05-02 08:06:15 AM  
Pharoahs hate him!  Learn how this Egyptian foreman used this one weird trick...
 
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