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2014-05-01 08:26:41 AM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Huh... I thought they poured Jews on it


Jews are like 70 percent water!
 
2014-05-01 08:30:44 AM  

Ishkur: Frederick: Where is the effort to understand his work? Last I knew only on university had even studied Corral Castle and essentially gave up.

There's no mystery to Coral Castle. It was built the same way every other massive stone structure in ancient times was built: With a block and tackle, lever and fulcrum. Understanding the center of gravity is the key to moving anything (Archimedes famously boasted that he could move the entire world itself if he had a large enough lever).

I mean, let's be realistic here: If Edward Leedskalnin really could levitate rocks, then why did it take him 30 god damn years for him to build the stupid thing? For a guy with supposed magic powers, he sure took his sweet-ass time putting them to use. He only worked at night and he kept the engineering a secret because it made for a good story. It was good tourism.

But there's nothing mystical about his story at all, the "In Search Of" episode notwithstanding.


This

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2014-05-01 08:35:43 AM  
When that song came out some of my friends insisted the line was "condoms made of stone-a". Ouch.
 
2014-05-01 08:45:22 AM  

SpectroBoy: [www.morethings.com image 706x480]


Came for this!

(and I'm considering changing my name to Gern Blanston)
 
2014-05-01 09:00:46 AM  

gfid: the late great Steve Martin


Whaaaa.....?  Don't tell me Vigoda got anouther one.
 
2014-05-01 09:08:30 AM  
Then the wet the air to lift them into place!

Also, the Egyptians didn't build the larger pyramids.
 
2014-05-01 09:09:06 AM  
GungFu:

And...Man Moves Huge Blocks!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pCvx5gSnfW4


Came here for this. Given that this is just one man moving these huge pieces by himself it is easy to extrapolate what a larger more well funded group could accomplish.

Zahi Hawass is a bit of a self important twat and is little more than a publicity agent for Egypt.
 
2014-05-01 09:10:09 AM  

s2s2s2: Then they wet the air to lift them into place!

Also, the Egyptians didn't build the larger pyramids.

 
2014-05-01 09:10:25 AM  

cretinbob: Now move 2.3 million of them in 20 years



No pyramid was constructed that quickly...
 
2014-05-01 09:11:48 AM  

s2s2s2: Then the wet the air to lift them into place!

Also, the Egyptians didn't build the larger pyramids.


Yes they did. There are literally dozens of possible ways they could have done it. One of my favourite theories is the construction of water elevators, though I don't put *too* much stock in that one.
 
2014-05-01 09:15:20 AM  

LavenderWolf: Yes they did. There are literally dozens of possible ways they could have done it. One of my favourite theories is the construction of water elevators, though I don't put *too* much stock in that one.


It would have been some early ass Egyptians. But water theories aren't too wacky, as that area was much wetter and greener when the great pyramids were built much longer ago than is accepted by archaeologists.
 
2014-05-01 09:20:56 AM  

doglover: impaler: doglover: Scientists don't really discover a whole lot. Discoveries are usually engineers and laypeople.

As an engineer, let me celebrate how fuking ignorant your anti-intellectual ass is.

Engineers don't discover, we use the discoveries of scientists to make awesome shiat.

I'm sorry, I can't hear you over the past 6,000 years and all the awesome stuff that was discovered by people who weren't limited to a single vocation in a lifetime.

For a large chunk of history, scientists were the engineers. All the best stuff was discovered by someone trying to finish a project trying something novel to solve an issue. It's only recently the "research scientist" has even existed. Before the 1700s, you were a polymath or out on your ath.


I'm sorry, I can't hear you over your original statement that was made in the PRESENT TENSE. "Before scientists existed, they hardly made any discoveries! What's up with that?"
 
2014-05-01 09:21:23 AM  

LavenderWolf: cretinbob: Now move 2.3 million of them in 20 years


No pyramid was constructed that quickly...


By the way, this is just my opinion. I think the ancient Egyptians exaggerated things; it fits with their culture to have done that.
 
2014-05-01 09:24:06 AM  

s2s2s2: LavenderWolf: Yes they did. There are literally dozens of possible ways they could have done it. One of my favourite theories is the construction of water elevators, though I don't put *too* much stock in that one.

It would have been some early ass Egyptians. But water theories aren't too wacky, as that area was much wetter and greener when the great pyramids were built much longer ago than is accepted by archaeologists.


What leads you to believe that they are older than archaeologists believe?
 
2014-05-01 09:24:29 AM  

J. Frank Parnell: Except the stones the great pyramids are made of weigh so much more. Like 70 or 200 tons more. Our best modern cranes can't lift the things, and we're supposed to believe they floated them many miles downriver from where they were quarried on rafts made of reeds, then put logs under them and rolled them over sand for many more miles. Yes, sand.

There are even some megalithic stones around the world which weigh over a thousand tons. Something is definitely up when we're supposed to believe primitive cultures did things we still can't.


I'm going to go ahead and assume you're just making a joke or something.  We have cranes that can lift upwards of 5.5million pounds, or roughly 2750 tons.  We can put 200ton cranes on wheels.  And power it with roughly 500hp, which is about the same force you could get out of ~3000 organized laborers.    As far as the article goes, 2.5 tons is not all that much weight and could easily be moved with enough people and enough time which the Egyptians had plenty of each.
What a 200ton crane might light like:
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2014-05-01 09:25:58 AM  

untaken_name: The sides are square to within 58mm on each side.


Not 57 or 59, 58mm.

Supposedly, we are measuring this to the precision of a millimeter, in order to determine how precise the Egyptians were. You don't see a problem with that?
rielworld.com
 
2014-05-01 09:29:42 AM  

DubtodaIll: J. Frank Parnell: Except the stones the great pyramids are made of weigh so much more. Like 70 or 200 tons more. Our best modern cranes can't lift the things, and we're supposed to believe they floated them many miles downriver from where they were quarried on rafts made of reeds, then put logs under them and rolled them over sand for many more miles. Yes, sand.

There are even some megalithic stones around the world which weigh over a thousand tons. Something is definitely up when we're supposed to believe primitive cultures did things we still can't.

I'm going to go ahead and assume you're just making a joke or something.  We have cranes that can lift upwards of 5.5million pounds, or roughly 2750 tons.  We can put 200ton cranes on wheels.  And power it with roughly 500hp, which is about the same force you could get out of ~3000 organized laborers.    As far as the article goes, 2.5 tons is not all that much weight and could easily be moved with enough people and enough time which the Egyptians had plenty of each.
What a 200ton crane might light like:
[image.made-in-china.com image 800x532]


A few years ago I worked in a convenience store, and various neighbourhood folks would stop by and chat for a while every day.

One of my regulars asked, one day, when I got off work and if I'd be willing to help move "some stones." I said I'd be off in a couple hours (plenty of daylight left) and I'd love to help out.

So I get to the dude's place and there's another dozen or so guys milling about. The guy who asked for my help gathered us all up and we walked a few hundred meters away to some giant masonry stones weighing 1-3 tons, used in the construction of the local canal a century prior.

So with about 14-15 guys, we moved those stones. By hand, with no mechanical assistance whatsoever, without breaking a single stone or suffering a single injury. We set them up to border his front lawn.

I have absolutely zero trouble believing the ancient Egyptians could have moved the pyramid stones - because I've done similar, on a slightly smaller scale.
 
2014-05-01 09:31:09 AM  
This is fark so I'm in a state of ummm.. nevermind.

Zahi gets a bad rep but he has done more to keep the loonies out that anyone else... I agree there was some collateral damage.

I think that many "scribes" were engineers or builders based on what I've seen.

The royal ship (of Cheops) was bigger and stronger than the Mayflower.

The stones of the major 3 pyramids got smaller as they went up.  The "cambers" were all in the center at some point during the construction.   Almost as if you had to have a chamber in the middle when the king died but you didn't know when that would be.

The corners of the great 3 line up.  They didn't build them around the edges, they added to only two edges.

I don't think they were ever finished. Funny enough there are nearly no finished buildings in Cairo today which says "tradition" to me.  If they had been finished, there would be far more slanted stone used in other places in the city.
 
2014-05-01 09:35:21 AM  

impaler: Not 57 or 59, 58mm.

Supposedly, we are measuring this to the precision of a millimeter, in order to determine how precise the Egyptians were. You don't see a problem with that?


Isn't that line about that way up the hill?

They did high precision stuff for some of the stones in the chambers but the rest is all rough cut.  What they did get to high precision is the flatness of the top level stones a few layers in but they aren't within a mm.
 
2014-05-01 09:37:02 AM  

LavenderWolf: What leads you to believe that they are older than archaeologists believe?


Some weird videos I watched on youtube. Seemed legit.
 
2014-05-01 09:58:33 AM  

J. Frank Parnell: Except the stones the great pyramids are made of weigh so much more. Like 70 or 200 tons more. Our best modern cranes can't lift the things, and we're supposed to believe they floated them many miles downriver from where they were quarried on rafts made of reeds, then put logs under them and rolled them over sand for many more miles. Yes, sand.

There are even some megalithic stones around the world which weigh over a thousand tons. Something is definitely up when we're supposed to believe primitive cultures did things we still can't.


Wow.  I can hear the X-Files theme song echoing around in that empty head of yours, all the way over here...
 
2014-05-01 10:11:48 AM  
impaler:

untaken_name: The sides are square to within 58mm on each side.

Not 57 or 59, 58mm.

Supposedly, we are measuring this to the precision of a millimeter, in order to determine how precise the Egyptians were. You don't see a problem with that?



Thanks for saving me the trouble of pointing that out... Having actually seen the Egyptian pyramids they're crooked and weathered as hell, and they were originally cased in limestone that was stripped off centuries ago.

And for all the "Ancient Aliens" types, I have to say that those aliens sure had to go through a lot of trial and error, as evidenced by the hundreds of mastabas built over centuries of time all over Giza and farkups like The Bent Pyramid.

/ has also climbed all over pyramids in the Yucatan. Impressive feats of human engineering, not evidence of aliens.
 
2014-05-01 10:13:05 AM  
There's a lot of people who got their degrees from Google University in here.
 
2014-05-01 10:13:44 AM  

CheekyMonkey: J. Frank Parnell: Except the stones the great pyramids are made of weigh so much more. Like 70 or 200 tons more. Our best modern cranes can't lift the things, and we're supposed to believe they floated them many miles downriver from where they were quarried on rafts made of reeds, then put logs under them and rolled them over sand for many more miles. Yes, sand.

There are even some megalithic stones around the world which weigh over a thousand tons. Something is definitely up when we're supposed to believe primitive cultures did things we still can't.

Wow.  I can hear the X-Files theme song echoing around in that empty head of yours, all the way over here...


It's real to him.... dammit.
 
2014-05-01 10:15:03 AM  

LavenderWolf: So with about 14-15 guys, we moved those stones. By hand, with no mechanical assistance whatsoever, without breaking a single stone or suffering a single injury. We set them up to border his front lawn.

I have absolutely zero trouble believing the ancient Egyptians could have moved the pyramid stones - because I've done similar, on a slightly smaller scale.


Ergo, LavenderWolf is an alien.  Or is doing a poor job of giving credit to the aliens that told him how to do it.

/Can I have my own History Channel show now?
 
2014-05-01 10:22:32 AM  
I have seen a few shows suggesting they weren't dragged there at all, but were cast from a cement like substance. I know most people dont believe that, so i personally ascribe to the theory that given unlimited manpower, brute force, and time, which the Egyptians had tons of, you can do anything. I suspect we are overanalyzing this, "but I am no expert".
 
2014-05-01 10:27:19 AM  
Did You Know the Pyramids Were a Mistake?

www.marketmenot.com
 
2014-05-01 10:33:15 AM  
For anyone who doubts human ability, I would recommend spending some time with a rigging crew. Invariably it's one really old skinny guy who's been doing it forever, a bunch of beefy college-age kids, and some steel pipe rollers and rope. The college kids do not so much as move without the old guy telling them exactly what to do, but with patience and applied physics I've seen some amazing feats performed by riggers.

I recently had to get a stump out of the ground and into a truck bed that weighed 1000+ pounds easily. I managed it myself without power tools, again, through patience and the same physics that's been known longer than written language. If I can do it with 1000 pounds I can do it with 10,000.
 
2014-05-01 10:36:23 AM  

untaken_name: zarker: untaken_name: Now we just need to figure out how they got the pyramids so close to square without lazor beams.

I have absolutely no knowledge of the pyramids but I'm gonna go with maybe counting? You can make a bunch of smaller squares that you know are square, count them out on the x and y axis?

Obviously. Why would you even bother responding when it's clear you don't have the slightest clue what you're talking about? The Great Pyramid covers an area of 13 acres. The sides are square to within 58mm on each side. That is INSANE. Even with laser transits, we can't get buildings only one square city block in area that true.


Yes, we can get buildings that square, we just don't. 58mm is over two inches when the gaps between stones gives you quite a bit of leeway. You can do a lot with a string line; draw a straight line, outline a perfect square in the sand, check a right angle, draw a circle, draw an oval and an elliptic.  You take a rope over a block long, put 50 guys on each end and pull - you end up with a pretty straight line. Two inches off is kind of sloppy when you have 100 pairs of eye's checking the work while they pull. 1000 men with a rope can build a better building than half a dozen with a laser.

I've been to the Great Pyramid - it's not that perfect. Yes, it's square and the stones are roughly the same shape on the outside. Inside the tunnel it's easy to see they filled in with the odd sized stone that is normal waste. Today we factor in roughly 10% to 15% material waste when building, (although the bean counters would like to see 1%); the pyramids probably had over 50%. Not bad though, because they needed to fill the inside with something.

There are over a hundred pyramids in Egypt. Only a few are massive and built square - most are, well, not. People build some pretty cool stuff when there's a lot of labor. Look at all the projects the CCC built.
 
2014-05-01 10:36:23 AM  
They keep discovering how they built the pyramids just about every year, lately.
 
2014-05-01 10:47:07 AM  
Let's quit talking about how they built the pyramids and start talking about RE-building the pyramids.

I'm talkin' white limestone and gold caps and everything.  Tell me that wouldn't be awesome?
 
2014-05-01 10:53:31 AM  

born_yesterday: Let's quit talking about how they built the pyramids and start talking about RE-building the pyramids.

I'm talkin' white limestone and gold caps and everything.  Tell me that wouldn't be awesome?


These days they look more like glass and steel, but I do think it's only a matter of time........    It would be awesome to look at, but these things seem a bit excessive.


/they still have plenty of slaves left over in Dubai don't they?
 
2014-05-01 10:57:12 AM  
Then there's The Broken Obelisk

It is really, truly, jaw-droppingly huge. And even the ancient aliens gave up and said "Nope!" halfway through.

It does however show how they cut megaliths out of stone in the bronze age, and how they intended to move them.
/edit: crap, Fark does not like my URL, look for Broken Obelisk Aswan.
 
2014-05-01 11:00:34 AM  
I always thought the 'This Old Pyramid' episode of NOVA from the early 90's tackled these topics pretty well, although who knows what's been debunked or discovered since then:

http://youtu.be/S7vBlWN3c-0

The main premise of the show was to see if they could build a small pyramid in a certain amount of time, using only tools and methods known (or theorized) to have existed in Ancient Egypt.  I scanned through the video and, yeah, they use water to help their makeshift sleds move across the sand easier.  Along with either rollers or embedded planks of wood.  Wet sand doesn't seem to be a new discovery.
 
2014-05-01 11:01:46 AM  

born_yesterday: Let's quit talking about how they built the pyramids and start talking about RE-building the pyramids.

I'm talkin' white limestone and gold caps and everything.  Tell me that wouldn't be awesome?


I hate that we don't seem to be into making great monuments or fancy-looking buildings anymore. Everything is too functional and practical.
 
2014-05-01 11:03:54 AM  

born_yesterday: Let's quit talking about how they built the pyramids and start talking about RE-building the pyramids.

I'm talkin' white limestone and gold caps and everything.  Tell me that wouldn't be awesome?


It's only a matter of time before an Elon Musk or Justin Bieber figures out what they could have for the cost of renting a backhoe.

Pyramidions are cool... One of the most beautiful objects I've ever seen was a black granite pyramidion in the Cairo museum. It was just so esthetically pleasing that it damn near hurt.
 
2014-05-01 11:05:36 AM  
Ascribing the pyramids in Egypt, South America etc. to aliens is at the least a neo-colonialist view and borders on  (if not fully embraces)racism. "It had to be an unseen never proven to exist race of super beings from outer space because there is no way those brown people could accomplish such a feat."
 
2014-05-01 11:06:40 AM  

mamoru: Slaves? Is the answer slaves?

*RTFA*

Ah. Slaves and moistening the sand ahead of the sledges on which they were dragging the huge blocks to make it (the sand) more firm.

Although, I'm sure it was probably really aliens because for some reason humans back then weren't smart enough to have been able to figure out such engineering on their own. :p


That always pisses me off on those shows how they explain how man couldnt lift these heavy stones without some alien help.
 
2014-05-01 11:12:57 AM  

maxheck: Then there's The Broken Obelisk

It is really, truly, jaw-droppingly huge. And even the ancient aliens gave up and said "Nope!" halfway through.

It does however show how they cut megaliths out of stone in the bronze age, and how they intended to move them.
/edit: crap, Fark does not like my URL, look for Broken Obelisk Aswan.


On Easter Island the workers left thier tools laying on the ground in the main quarry. Those aliens were using primitive tools for space travelers.
 
2014-05-01 11:13:40 AM  
SpectroBoy:

A) To pee you have to drink first.

Do you know how I know you're not an old man?
 
2014-05-01 11:24:09 AM  
The nile used to run near there way back then.
 
2014-05-01 11:24:20 AM  
Like the de-motivational poster says about achievement--you can accomplish anything when you have vision, determination and and endless supply of disposable labor.
 
2014-05-01 11:28:12 AM  
Not sure this is new information.  I saw a show on TV years ago where they did the same thing with water.  The only difference was that they had wood laid perpendicularly across the path to further interfere with the smearing movement of the sand.  They actually poured the water on the wood instead of the sand to keep the liquid from disturbing the otherwise smooth surface.  I think the pyramid they were building was way smaller, but used blocks of a similar dimension -- a little bit fuzzy on that.  Nat Geo?  Honestly don't remember.

Also, is Hwass still around?  I thought the new government bounced him.
 
2014-05-01 11:34:49 AM  
Dear Gizmodo - if this is true, prove your madcap 'theory' at Sacsayhuama,Peru
 
2014-05-01 11:43:40 AM  
Mid_mo_mad_man:

maxheck: Then there's The Broken Obelisk

It is really, truly, jaw-droppingly huge. And even the ancient aliens gave up and said "Nope!" halfway through.

It does however show how they cut megaliths out of stone in the bronze age, and how they intended to move them.
/edit: crap, Fark does not like my URL, look for Broken Obelisk Aswan.

On Easter Island the workers left thier tools laying on the ground in the main quarry. Those aliens were using primitive tools for space travelers.


Which points out the silliness of the von Daniken crowd. We can see what was done, the evidence is right there. But since *they* don't know about it.... Aliens.

/ The broken obelisk is pretty damn impressive. As are things I've seen on several other continents.
 
2014-05-01 11:46:55 AM  
Also, can you imagine being that one guy who gives the final hammer tap and all of a sudden the end falls off the obelisk? *KACHUNK*

Hmmm...Yep, reminds me of working in IT.
 
2014-05-01 11:58:16 AM  

Orgasmatron138: born_yesterday: Let's quit talking about how they built the pyramids and start talking about RE-building the pyramids.

I'm talkin' white limestone and gold caps and everything.  Tell me that wouldn't be awesome?

I hate that we don't seem to be into making great monuments or fancy-looking buildings anymore. Everything is too functional and practical.




La Sagrada Familia
 
2014-05-01 12:11:22 PM  

my_cats_breath_smells_like_cat_food: Orgasmatron138: born_yesterday: Let's quit talking about how they built the pyramids and start talking about RE-building the pyramids.

I'm talkin' white limestone and gold caps and everything.  Tell me that wouldn't be awesome?

I hate that we don't seem to be into making great monuments or fancy-looking buildings anymore. Everything is too functional and practical.

La Sagrada Familia


That one might hang around for a while. Trump Tower(s) and any number of oil baron penis compensations going up in the Middle East, maybe not so much. Italy is littered with belltowers, you haven't arrived in the renaissance unless you've built a tower there, and there's an entire plain in SE Asia of brick temples from around the same time.

The rich are very much into erections from what I've seen.
 
2014-05-01 12:22:07 PM  

Lukeonia1: mamoru: Slaves? Is the answer slaves?
Nope, the general consensus is that the folks who built the pyramids were paid laborers. After all, would you want your monument carved by a surly, unpaid slave?


Also, FTA: how the hell Stonehenge got that way.

Ball bearings.


dvdmedia.ign.com

Approves
 
2014-05-01 12:24:30 PM  

my_cats_breath_smells_like_cat_food: Orgasmatron138: born_yesterday: Let's quit talking about how they built the pyramids and start talking about RE-building the pyramids.

I'm talkin' white limestone and gold caps and everything.  Tell me that wouldn't be awesome?

I hate that we don't seem to be into making great monuments or fancy-looking buildings anymore. Everything is too functional and practical.

La Sagrada Familia


That has to be the most penises (penii ?) I have ever seen on one building. Really.... you think they could have gotten another spire or 2 in there?  LOL
 
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