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2014-05-01 05:26:15 AM  

doglover: Scientists don't really discover a whole lot. Discoveries are usually engineers and laypeople.


1.bp.blogspot.com
 
2014-05-01 05:26:29 AM  

J. Frank Parnell: Except the stones the great pyramids are made of weigh so much more. Like 70 or 200 tons more. Our best modern cranes can't lift the things, and we're supposed to believe they floated them many miles downriver from where they were quarried on rafts made of reeds, then put logs under them and rolled them over sand for many more miles. Yes, sand.

There are even some megalithic stones around the world which weigh over a thousand tons. Something is definitely up when we're supposed to believe primitive cultures did things we still can't.


Seems a lot more believable than "A bunch of bored aliens did it for shiats and giggles", or whatever your pet theory is.
 
2014-05-01 05:28:56 AM  

robohobo: untaken_name: robohobo: Maybe because he's interested in the topic? Instead of, you know, interested in being a dick? FFS.

Then why didn't he post about the topic? That seems like a better route to take if you're interested in the topic. Instead of, you know, posting retarded non sequiturs. Also, I asked him, not you, dumbass. FFS.

/not interested in being a dick
//also not interested in NOT being a dick
///GFY if you don't like it.

Anyway, regarding your post, how the fark can we NOT make buildings absolutely true?


We can make buildings level, plumb, and square. Instead, we choose to make buildings with affordable standardized and mass produced parts, and choose to accept a variance of less than 1% rather than pay the labor perfection would require. As long as you have a superintendent who immediately fires anyone who says "Looks square from my house", this is a perfectly acceptable way to build things.

And, as to how the Egyptians could have made the pyramids square, they used sticks, rope, and math. Take a surveying course some time. It's absolutely shocking what you can do with sticks, rope, and math. Every city street you've ever driven on, as well as most country roads, were laid out with the same methods.
 
2014-05-01 05:29:11 AM  

Old enough to know better: J. Frank Parnell: Except the stones the great pyramids are made of weigh so much more. Like 70 or 200 tons more. Our best modern cranes can't lift the things, and we're supposed to believe they floated them many miles downriver from where they were quarried on rafts made of reeds, then put logs under them and rolled them over sand for many more miles. Yes, sand.

There are even some megalithic stones around the world which weigh over a thousand tons. Something is definitely up when we're supposed to believe primitive cultures did things we still can't.

Seems a lot more believable than "A bunch of bored aliens did it for shiats and giggles", or whatever your pet theory is.


vivimilano.corriere.it
 
2014-05-01 05:30:43 AM  

J. Frank Parnell: Something is definitely up when we're supposed to believe primitive cultures did things we still can't.


Do you honestly believe that we couldn't build a structure like one of the pyramids if we really cared to?  Really?
 
2014-05-01 05:31:29 AM  

TopoGigo: robohobo: untaken_name: robohobo: Maybe because he's interested in the topic? Instead of, you know, interested in being a dick? FFS.

Then why didn't he post about the topic? That seems like a better route to take if you're interested in the topic. Instead of, you know, posting retarded non sequiturs. Also, I asked him, not you, dumbass. FFS.

/not interested in being a dick
//also not interested in NOT being a dick
///GFY if you don't like it.

Anyway, regarding your post, how the fark can we NOT make buildings absolutely true?

We can make buildings level, plumb, and square. Instead, we choose to make buildings with affordable standardized and mass produced parts, and choose to accept a variance of less than 1% rather than pay the labor perfection would require. As long as you have a superintendent who immediately fires anyone who says "Looks square from my house", this is a perfectly acceptable way to build things.

And, as to how the Egyptians could have made the pyramids square, they used sticks, rope, and math. Take a surveying course some time. It's absolutely shocking what you can do with sticks, rope, and math. Every city street you've ever driven on, as well as most country roads, were laid out with the same methods.


Figured it would come down to money.
 
2014-05-01 05:32:35 AM  

Old enough to know better: J. Frank Parnell: Except the stones the great pyramids are made of weigh so much more. Like 70 or 200 tons more. Our best modern cranes can't lift the things, and we're supposed to believe they floated them many miles downriver from where they were quarried on rafts made of reeds, then put logs under them and rolled them over sand for many more miles. Yes, sand.

There are even some megalithic stones around the world which weigh over a thousand tons. Something is definitely up when we're supposed to believe primitive cultures did things we still can't.

Seems a lot more believable than "A bunch of bored aliens did it for shiats and giggles", or whatever your pet theory is.


There's no such thing as aliens. God put them there 2000 years ago.
 
2014-05-01 05:35:10 AM  

Frederick: It just doesnt pass the logic test.


You do realize we're talking about religion, right? ...logic has nothing to do with it.

Frederick: We're to believe Pharaohs dedicated the entire countries wealth and resources to building pyramids as burial chambers -some 20 years supposedly in the making- and then planned no security?


What, mummy's curse isn't good enough for you? They were a superstitious people obsessed with immortality, and they believed their rulers were literal gods. Who would have the nerve to even think about desecrating their holy resting places?

Frederick: And who exactly was robbing these places?


Their descendents. They did not anticipate that cultural attitudes toward the infallible Pharaohs would change over time, especially when the early ones were so insisting on burying a sizable chunk of the country's gross domestic product with them. That left later dynasties a little cash-strapped which they resented.

The diminishing power of the Pharaohs in the First Intermediate Period meant that no one was afraid anymore of any divine retribution if they jacked the jewellery from their great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-grandking's tomb.
 
2014-05-01 05:36:09 AM  
DNRTFA or many of the comments....

As the Pyramid was being built they piled more and more sand around it for manageable inclines
to haul stone blocks into place.
When it was finished it was mostly buried in sand.
Then they took the sand away down to ground level.

Ta-Da! Pyramid!
 
2014-05-01 05:37:07 AM  

Frederick: We're to believe Pharaohs dedicated the entire countries wealth and resources to building pyramids as burial chambers -some 20 years supposedly in the making- and then planned no security?


I don't think it's terribly far-fetched to think that people who fancied themselves as gods wouldn't consider the idea that one of their loyal worshippers would desecrate their own god's tomb.  These had to be some of the most aloof people in history.

Besides, what is your alternative theory?
 
2014-05-01 05:38:12 AM  

Frederick: It just doesnt pass the logic test.  We're to believe Pharaohs dedicated the entire countries wealth and resources to building pyramids as burial chambers -some 20 years supposedly in the making- and then planned no security?  And who exactly was robbing these places?  Good god it should take an army....

The established narrative just doesnt pass the logic test.


It's not easy to hire someone to maintain site security for the necessary thousands of years.
 
2014-05-01 05:38:21 AM  

Ambivalence: mamoru: Slaves? Is the answer slaves?

*RTFA*

Ah. Slaves and moistening the sand ahead of the sledges on which they were dragging the huge blocks to make it (the sand) more firm.

Although, I'm sure it was probably really aliens because for some reason humans back then weren't smart enough to have been able to figure out such engineering on their own. :p

Ancient people were surprisingly observant.

Also it probably wasn't water.  It was probably urine.

(water in a desert is hard to come by.  but you have hundreds of slaves pulling shiat, give THEM the water and let them go to town "wetting the sand").


It's pretty easy to get when you have a giant river running through the middle of a desert.  Urine, on the other hand, was far too expensive to use for that sort of thing.  Only source of ammonia up til 1909 (Haber Process), which you need for textile production.
 
2014-05-01 05:43:10 AM  

untaken_name: Now we just need to figure out how they got the pyramids so close to square without lazor beams.


a^2 + b^2 = c^2

Works *every* time.

Also an engineer.  Have spent my life getting other people to pay me to play with toys I buy with their money.
Best job in the world.  One of my designs even made SkyMall and another is well on its way to helping
to diagnose AIDS in Africa.

Happy International Worker's Day!
 
2014-05-01 05:43:21 AM  

Sgygus: Frederick: It just doesnt pass the logic test.  We're to believe Pharaohs dedicated the entire countries wealth and resources to building pyramids as burial chambers -some 20 years supposedly in the making- and then planned no security?  And who exactly was robbing these places?  Good god it should take an army....

The established narrative just doesnt pass the logic test.

It's not easy to hire someone to maintain site security for the necessary thousands of years.


i0.wp.com
 
2014-05-01 05:49:16 AM  

J. Frank Parnell: Except the stones the great pyramids are made of weigh so much more. Like 70 or 200 tons more.


No. No they weren't. The largest blocks (the ones at the bottom) are at most about 10 tons. They get smaller as it goes up.

You're probably thinking of the obelisks. Those things are farking huge, and indeed get up to 200 tons and way more. There is even an unfinished one (abandoned) that was 1200 tons -- that one they just gave up on and said "fark it, this one's too big."

But we know how the obelisks were built and transported because there's all sorts of them that were abandoned or unfinished (like the one above) in mid transport because they cracked or they just never got around to it. And some modern engineering teams have replicated the efforts using the same tools. It just requires a large amount of manpower, and a generous project cycle that might be off and on for years.
 
2014-05-01 06:00:12 AM  

untaken_name: zarker: untaken_name: Now we just need to figure out how they got the pyramids so close to square without lazor beams.

I have absolutely no knowledge of the pyramids but I'm gonna go with maybe counting? You can make a bunch of smaller squares that you know are square, count them out on the x and y axis?

Obviously. Why would you even bother responding when it's clear you don't have the slightest clue what you're talking about? The Great Pyramid covers an area of 13 acres. The sides are square to within 58mm on each side. That is INSANE. Even with laser transits, we can't get buildings only one square city block in area that true.


The Egyptians were really REALLY good at that kind of thing for a simple reason- the Nile flooded EVERY YEAR. People had land they used for agriculture under that water, the very same water that tended to wash away markers used for surveying. Since more land = more crops, every year it would be a dispute whose property lines were where once the river receded, especially since that was the most fertile and valuable land. Every year it had to get re-figured out by surveyors, who had to be able to appease all parties involved. Egyptians pretty much invented surveying as a thing that people did to figure this stuff out, and invented a lot of math to help them. So they had a ton of people sitting around with a lifetime's worth of surveying skills with hundreds of years of practice behind them understanding how to measure distances between things and being very, very precise about it.
 
2014-05-01 06:07:53 AM  
Saw cut in pyramid stone. Black and Decker?
www.oocities.org
 
2014-05-01 06:13:00 AM  
Old fart subby is old.
 
2014-05-01 06:13:40 AM  

Gawdzila: Frederick: We're to believe Pharaohs dedicated the entire countries wealth and resources to building pyramids as burial chambers -some 20 years supposedly in the making- and then planned no security?

I don't think it's terribly far-fetched to think that people who fancied themselves as gods wouldn't consider the idea that one of their loyal worshippers would desecrate their own god's tomb.  These had to be some of the most aloof people in history.

Besides, what is your alternative theory?


You really think they thought themselves as gods?  Highly unlikely.  Gods move the sun across the sky.  Did pharaohs ever do that? They aligned themselves with gods.  Hoped to be with gods when they died.  Thinking yourself a god is different than telling your minions you are a god.  I'm sure the pharaohs knew they were not gods.
 Most likely the three pyramids of Giza were not burial chambers.  Have you seen the entrances into the great pyramid?  Not real conducive to looting.
 
2014-05-01 06:15:54 AM  

Deep Contact: Saw cut in pyramid stone. Black and Decker?
[www.oocities.org image 576x392]


Baset and Tawaret.
 
2014-05-01 06:16:24 AM  

Frederick: Gawdzila: Frederick: We're to believe Pharaohs dedicated the entire countries wealth and resources to building pyramids as burial chambers -some 20 years supposedly in the making- and then planned no security?

I don't think it's terribly far-fetched to think that people who fancied themselves as gods wouldn't consider the idea that one of their loyal worshippers would desecrate their own god's tomb.  These had to be some of the most aloof people in history.

Besides, what is your alternative theory?

You really think they thought themselves as gods?  Highly unlikely.  Gods move the sun across the sky.  Did pharaohs ever do that? They aligned themselves with gods.  Hoped to be with gods when they died.  Thinking yourself a god is different than telling your minions you are a god.  I'm sure the pharaohs knew they were not gods.
 Most likely the three pyramids of Giza were not burial chambers.  Have you seen the entrances into the great pyramid?  Not real conducive to looting.


I'm thinking they were just as arrogant and self important as todays politicians. Probably more so. People worship(ped) them, nonetheless.
 
2014-05-01 06:30:43 AM  

Frederick: You really think they thought themselves as gods?


They had to in order to assert total and complete control.

Frederick: I'm sure the pharaohs knew they were not gods.


No, that comes after they die. If they did what what they had to do to ascend to divinity.

Frederick: Most likely the three pyramids of Giza were not burial chambers.


No, they were immortality preservers.

/"look upon my works, ye mighty, and despair"
 
2014-05-01 06:33:57 AM  

Frederick: Most likely the three pyramids of Giza were not burial chambers.


Look, I've read Alan F. Alford and Neil Freer and Zacharia Sitchin and Erich von Daniken too, and the only thing I got out of my "ancient astronaut" phase is that those guys, from a pure investigative inquiry perspective, are full of shiat.
 
2014-05-01 06:49:42 AM  

Ishkur: Frederick: Most likely the three pyramids of Giza were not burial chambers.

No, they were immortality preservers.


That they were.  But for whom.  I mean, if it were for Egyptian pharaohs then they sure did lose a lot of knowledge and prestige over time.  Prestige is understandable, power being fleeting -but knowledge?  Thats unforgivable.  And the cost is doubt.  You lose knowledge as a nation, you earn doubt in return.  And I doubt most of what Egyptologists say.

Ishkur: Frederick: Most likely the three pyramids of Giza were not burial chambers.

Look, I've read Alan F. Alford and Neil Freer and Zacharia Sitchin and Erich von Daniken too, and the only thing I got out of my "ancient astronaut" phase is that those guys, from a pure investigative inquiry perspective, are full of shiat.


I'll take Graham Hancock, Robert Bauval and Robert M. Schoch over the words of Zahi Hawass every time.
 
2014-05-01 06:57:16 AM  
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2014-05-01 07:04:32 AM  

mamoru: Slaves? Is the answer slaves?

*RTFA*

Ah. Slaves and moistening the sand ahead of the sledges on which they were dragging the huge blocks to make it (the sand) more firm.

Although, I'm sure it was probably really aliens because for some reason humans back then weren't smart enough to have been able to figure out such engineering on their own. :p


I missed the part where slaves are stronger than other humans
 
2014-05-01 07:07:02 AM  

Frederick: And who exactly was robbing these places?


We did. We robbed them. Or did that escape your notice?
 
2014-05-01 07:14:21 AM  
My theory is that the pyramids were built underground with whatever was there by carving the pyramids out of the bedrock.  Then, they just cleared all the sand and shipped it to resorts around the world to create fantastic beaches.

You'll spend a relaxing 4 days and 4 nights at this beautiful beach while sailing in YOUR BRAND NEW BOAT!

All of this can be yours, IF the price is right.
 
2014-05-01 07:15:04 AM  

moothemagiccow: mamoru: Slaves? Is the answer slaves?

*RTFA*

Ah. Slaves and moistening the sand ahead of the sledges on which they were dragging the huge blocks to make it (the sand) more firm.

Although, I'm sure it was probably really aliens because for some reason humans back then weren't smart enough to have been able to figure out such engineering on their own. :p

I missed the part where slaves are stronger than other humans


Ok now I want you to pull on this rope as hard as you can.

(Pulls out bull whip) now pull harder.
 
2014-05-01 07:26:51 AM  

Frederick: SauronWasFramed: Edward Leedskalnin laughs at this study

Where is the effort to understand his work?  Last I knew only on university had even studied Corral Castle and essentially gave up.


http://www.livescience.com/41075-coral-castle.html

http://ancientaliensdebunked.com/coral-castle-debunked/

http://peterhancock.cos.ucf.edu/the-making-of-a-modern-myth-edward-l ee dskalnin-and-the-coral-castle/

I used something called Google - all the cool kids use it.

And...Man Moves Huge Blocks!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pCvx5gSnfW4
 
2014-05-01 07:28:54 AM  

moothemagiccow: mamoru: Slaves? Is the answer slaves?

*RTFA*

Ah. Slaves and moistening the sand ahead of the sledges on which they were dragging the huge blocks to make it (the sand) more firm.

Although, I'm sure it was probably really aliens because for some reason humans back then weren't smart enough to have been able to figure out such engineering on their own. :p

I missed the part where slaves are stronger than other humans


That sounds suspiciously like the part that got Jimmy the Greek fired. Don't go there.
 
2014-05-01 07:32:13 AM  

Frederick: Ishkur: Frederick: Most likely the three pyramids of Giza were not burial chambers.

No, they were immortality preservers.

That they were.  But for whom.  I mean, if it were for Egyptian pharaohs then they sure did lose a lot of knowledge and prestige over time.  Prestige is understandable, power being fleeting -but knowledge?  Thats unforgivable.  And the cost is doubt.  You lose knowledge as a nation, you earn doubt in return.  And I doubt most of what Egyptologists say.

Ishkur: Frederick: Most likely the three pyramids of Giza were not burial chambers.

Look, I've read Alan F. Alford and Neil Freer and Zacharia Sitchin and Erich von Daniken too, and the only thing I got out of my "ancient astronaut" phase is that those guys, from a pure investigative inquiry perspective, are full of shiat.

I'll take Graham Hancock, Robert Bauval and Robert M. Schoch over the words of Zahi Hawass every time.



I'll take Robert Bauval, Robert M. Schoch and Zahi Hawass over Graham Hancock any farking day.

Hancock is almost David Icke. He's almost as bad as the 'It's Aliens!' guy. He's an idiot with an disarming accent.

BBC Horizon 2000 Atlantis Reborn Again (Scandal) 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2aidAvE1lJs
 
2014-05-01 07:40:33 AM  

johnphantom: How did they get all the water needed across the desert?


Ancient Egyptians did the obvious - they built cities near the water source ie, the Nile.

The Giza Plateau is relatively close to the Nile. I'm sure they were smart enough to channel its water to build, and to drink from.
 
2014-05-01 07:43:28 AM  

Frederick: I'll take Graham Hancock, Robert Bauval and Robert M. Schoch over the words of Zahi Hawass every time.


I was wondering when these names were going to turn up. The pyramids are on Orion's belt!

Fortunately, we don't have to choose between Bauval et. al. and Zahi Hawasshole.
 
2014-05-01 07:44:45 AM  

GungFu: johnphantom: How did they get all the water needed across the desert?

Ancient Egyptians did the obvious - they built cities near the water source ie, the Nile.

The Giza Plateau is relatively close to the Nile. I'm sure they were smart enough to channel its water to build, and to drink from.


www.khufu.dk

The Nile we see today isn't where it was thousands of years ago. However, if you track where most of the ancient sites are and going through historical charts and alike, you can pretty much see where the Nile flowed all those years ago.
 
2014-05-01 07:46:16 AM  

impaler: doglover: Scientists don't really discover a whole lot. Discoveries are usually engineers and laypeople.

As an engineer, let me celebrate how fuking ignorant your anti-intellectual ass is.

Engineers don't discover, we use the discoveries of scientists to make awesome shiat.


They also have sky high rates of denialism, creationism, and conservatism. Probably due to the fact that if that know one or two facts about a subject, then they have enough information to figure out the entire subject.

/engineer in training.
 
2014-05-01 07:48:48 AM  
Humans can do incredible things to avoid starving and death. How did the Egyptians build the pyrimids? They were told to.
 
2014-05-01 07:56:02 AM  

Frederick: That they were. But for whom.


For themselves. And it worked. They're still remembered. And their pyramids are still farking there and will probably be there for the next hundred thousand years.
 
2014-05-01 08:01:11 AM  
Uh pretty sure it was because gravity was less back then. it goes through cycles. in the future it will continue to get to the point where gravity changes each day. there will be good and bad gravity days.

/Mildly obscure?
//probably not...its fark
///slashies
 
2014-05-01 08:02:19 AM  

Frederick: Lukeonia1: mamoru: Slaves? Is the answer slaves?
Nope, the general consensus is that the folks who built the pyramids were paid laborers. After all, would you want your monument carved by a surly, unpaid slave?

The general consensus of Egyptologists; that is.  Which, frankly, isnt very credible.  Zahi Hawass is/was nothing more than an fanboy.  A lot of the Egyptologist consensus is unchallenged utter BS.


http://www.touregypt.net/featurestories/gizavillage.htm

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2002/08/0805_020805_giza.htm l
And so on...

It seems to me that your knowledge of Ancient Egypt is extremely limited. They've made documentaries on the worker's villages found near the great pyramids, ffs.

I think you might need to watch this:

Ancient Aliens Debunked.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j9w-i5oZqaQ
 
2014-05-01 08:05:06 AM  

gfid: I feel I should point out that the headline references a humorous song by the late great Steve Martin from about 40 years ago.


I feel I should point out that Steve Martin is very much alive.
 
2014-05-01 08:05:07 AM  

uberaverage: Humans can do incredible things to avoid starving and death. How did the Egyptians build the pyrimids? They were told to.


More likely they were told to remove the sand around the pyramids.
 
2014-05-01 08:09:24 AM  

Deep Contact: Saw cut in pyramid stone. Black and Decker?
[www.oocities.org image 576x392]


Copper saws and sand.

/sorry, my google-fu is weak this morning, best i could do
 
2014-05-01 08:09:49 AM  

Shakin_Haitian: impaler: doglover: Scientists don't really discover a whole lot. Discoveries are usually engineers and laypeople.

As an engineer, let me celebrate how fuking ignorant your anti-intellectual ass is.

Engineers don't discover, we use the discoveries of scientists to make awesome shiat.

They also have sky high rates of denialism, creationism, and conservatism. Probably due to the fact that if that know one or two facts about a subject, then they have enough information to figure out the entire subject.

/engineer in training.



www.smbc-comics.com
 
2014-05-01 08:16:21 AM  
encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com
 
2014-05-01 08:18:50 AM  
For the record I miss the Art Bell program.
 
2014-05-01 08:20:27 AM  

impaler: doglover: Scientists don't really discover a whole lot. Discoveries are usually engineers and laypeople.

As an engineer, let me celebrate how fuking ignorant your anti-intellectual ass is.

Engineers don't discover, we use the discoveries of scientists to make awesome shiat.


As a scientist, let me say thanks for having our backs.

And thanks for the awesome shiat.
 
2014-05-01 08:21:49 AM  
www.morethings.com
 
2014-05-01 08:21:54 AM  
spudcomics.com
 
2014-05-01 08:25:59 AM  

Ambivalence: Also it probably wasn't water.  It was probably urine.

(water in a desert is hard to come by.  but you have hundreds of slaves pulling shiat, give THEM the water and let them go to town "wetting the sand").


A) To pee you have to drink first.

B) If only they had some large source of water near by.

twiddlingthumbs.info
 
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