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2014-04-30 10:16:04 PM  
...with their minds!!!!

/oh, it was water.
 
2014-04-30 10:49:28 PM  
Scientists don't really discover a whole lot. Discoveries are usually engineers and laypeople.

These anal fellows just quantified what everyone who's ever been to a beach already knows: wet sand is better for stuff.
 
2014-04-30 10:52:08 PM  
1.bp.blogspot.com
 
2014-04-30 11:56:47 PM  
Now move 2.3 million of them in 20 years
 
2014-05-01 12:18:24 AM  
The ancient statue man appears to be masturbating.
 
2014-05-01 12:28:37 AM  
Slaves? Is the answer slaves?

*RTFA*

Ah. Slaves and moistening the sand ahead of the sledges on which they were dragging the huge blocks to make it (the sand) more firm.

Although, I'm sure it was probably really aliens because for some reason humans back then weren't smart enough to have been able to figure out such engineering on their own. :p
 
2014-05-01 12:43:46 AM  

doglover: Scientists don't really discover a whole lot. Discoveries are usually engineers and laypeople.


As an engineer, let me celebrate how fuking ignorant your anti-intellectual ass is.

Engineers don't discover, we use the discoveries of scientists to make awesome shiat.
 
2014-05-01 12:53:05 AM  

mamoru: Slaves? Is the answer slaves?

*RTFA*

Ah. Slaves and moistening the sand ahead of the sledges on which they were dragging the huge blocks to make it (the sand) more firm.

Although, I'm sure it was probably really aliens because for some reason humans back then weren't smart enough to have been able to figure out such engineering on their own. :p


Ancient people were surprisingly observant.

Also it probably wasn't water.  It was probably urine.

(water in a desert is hard to come by.  but you have hundreds of slaves pulling shiat, give THEM the water and let them go to town "wetting the sand").
 
2014-05-01 01:17:59 AM  
Huh... I thought they poured Jews on it
 
2014-05-01 01:51:08 AM  

impaler: doglover: Scientists don't really discover a whole lot. Discoveries are usually engineers and laypeople.

As an engineer, let me celebrate how fuking ignorant your anti-intellectual ass is.

Engineers don't discover, we use the discoveries of scientists to make awesome shiat.


I'm sorry, I can't hear you over the past 6,000 years and all the awesome stuff that was discovered by people who weren't limited to a single vocation in a lifetime.

For a large chunk of history, scientists were the engineers. All the best stuff was discovered by someone trying to finish a project trying something novel to solve an issue. It's only recently the "research scientist" has even existed. Before the 1700s, you were a polymath or out on your ath.
 
2014-05-01 02:00:03 AM  
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Some things never change.
 
2014-05-01 02:09:22 AM  
Edward Leedskalnin laughs at this study
 
2014-05-01 02:14:51 AM  

SauronWasFramed: Edward Leedskalnin laughs at this study


Where is the effort to understand his work?  Last I knew only on university had even studied Corral Castle and essentially gave up.
 
2014-05-01 02:31:34 AM  

mamoru: Slaves? Is the answer slaves?

Nope, the general consensus is that the folks who built the pyramids were paid laborers. After all, would you want your monument carved by a surly, unpaid slave?


Also, FTA: how the hell Stonehenge got that way.

Ball bearings.
 
2014-05-01 02:52:39 AM  
How the fark did they cut them so perfectly and form them into giant weapons that destroyed planet x explain that!
 
2014-05-01 02:56:03 AM  

Lukeonia1: mamoru: Slaves? Is the answer slaves?
Nope, the general consensus is that the folks who built the pyramids were paid laborers. After all, would you want your monument carved by a surly, unpaid slave?


The general consensus of Egyptologists; that is.  Which, frankly, isnt very credible.  Zahi Hawass is/was nothing more than an fanboy.  A lot of the Egyptologist consensus is unchallenged utter BS.

Even their own narratives are often contradictory.  Watch any show on Egypt and you will hear how they get historical information from statues, burial chambers, murals, etc.  And then later will say how successive rulers would often alter or erase written works of previous rulers.  Well, fark then -who's to say what is accurate?  Oh yeah -Egyptologists.

Here's a troubling fact Egyptologists dont like to discuss:  Ever see pics from the inside of a typical Egyptian king burial chamber (example Tutankhamen)?  All the of the wall space is covered in artwork.  All of it.  Ever see the burial chamber artwork from the 3 great pyramids?
 
2014-05-01 03:03:43 AM  
www.quickmeme.com
 
2014-05-01 03:07:04 AM  

Frederick: Lukeonia1: mamoru: Slaves? Is the answer slaves?
Nope, the general consensus is that the folks who built the pyramids were paid laborers. After all, would you want your monument carved by a surly, unpaid slave?

The general consensus of Egyptologists; that is.  Which, frankly, isnt very credible.  Zahi Hawass is/was nothing more than an fanboy.  A lot of the Egyptologist consensus is unchallenged utter BS.

Even their own narratives are often contradictory.  Watch any show on Egypt and you will hear how they get historical information from statues, burial chambers, murals, etc.  And then later will say how successive rulers would often alter or erase written works of previous rulers.  Well, fark then -who's to say what is accurate?  Oh yeah -Egyptologists.

Here's a troubling fact Egyptologists dont like to discuss:  Ever see pics from the inside of a typical Egyptian king burial chamber (example Tutankhamen)?  All the of the wall space is covered in artwork.  All of it.  Ever see the burial chamber artwork from the 3 great pyramids?


Zahi Hawass is an attention whoring turdknocker who doesn't know even half of what he pretends to know. Plus he has a very punchable face.
 
2014-05-01 04:07:12 AM  

Ambivalence: mamoru: Slaves? Is the answer slaves?

*RTFA*

Ah. Slaves and moistening the sand ahead of the sledges on which they were dragging the huge blocks to make it (the sand) more firm.

Although, I'm sure it was probably really aliens because for some reason humans back then weren't smart enough to have been able to figure out such engineering on their own. :p

Ancient people were surprisingly observant.

Also it probably wasn't water.  It was probably urine.

(water in a desert is hard to come by.  but you have hundreds of slaves pulling shiat, give THEM the water and let them go to town "wetting the sand").


My guess is low-grade olive oil.
 
2014-05-01 04:07:29 AM  

Frederick: Where is the effort to understand his work? Last I knew only on university had even studied Corral Castle and essentially gave up.


There's no mystery to Coral Castle. It was built the same way every other massive stone structure in ancient times was built: With a block and tackle, lever and fulcrum. Understanding the center of gravity is the key to moving anything (Archimedes famously boasted that he could move the entire world itself if he had a large enough lever).

I mean, let's be realistic here: If Edward Leedskalnin really could levitate rocks, then why did it take him 30 god damn years for him to build the stupid thing? For a guy with supposed magic powers, he sure took his sweet-ass time putting them to use. He only worked at night and he kept the engineering a secret because it made for a good story. It was good tourism.

But there's nothing mystical about his story at all, the "In Search Of" episode notwithstanding.
 
2014-05-01 04:07:33 AM  
They had whips, Rimmer. Massive, massive whips."
 
2014-05-01 04:08:14 AM  

impaler: doglover: Scientists don't really discover a whole lot. Discoveries are usually engineers and laypeople.

As an engineer, let me celebrate how fuking ignorant your anti-intellectual ass is.

Engineers don't discover, we use the discoveries of scientists to make awesome shiat.


Thank you, impaler. It needed to be said and deserves to be repeated
 
2014-05-01 04:09:15 AM  
Only ancient astronauts could have built the pyramids.
 
2014-05-01 04:09:24 AM  

Lukeonia1: mamoru: Slaves? Is the answer slaves?
Nope, the general consensus is that the folks who built the pyramids were paid laborers. After all, would you want your monument carved by a surly, unpaid slave?


Slaves were as accepted a part of nature as the weather, as far back as written history dictates. The general acceptance that slavery is inherently wrong ethically is only a few hundred years old. And no, the surly unpaid slave just hauls the stone's their, your skilled artist and architect's are paid nicely though.
 
2014-05-01 04:09:37 AM  

Danger Avoid Death: Frederick: Lukeonia1: mamoru:

Zahi Hawass is an attention whoring turdknocker who doesn't know even half of what he pretends to know. Plus he has a very punchable face.


Thank you! I watched two minutes of the TV show he made a couple years ago. All he did was attention whore for the cameras to pimp his book and verbally abuse female staffers.

/Fark him
 
2014-05-01 04:11:59 AM  

Lukeonia1: Nope, the general consensus is that the folks who built the pyramids were paid laborers. After all, would you want your monument carved by a surly, unpaid slave?


It's not that they were paid laborers, it's that the Nile river floods like clockwork for three months every year. So you have this massive agrarian population who literally have nothing to do, waiting for the waters to recede so they could plant/harvest their crops.

Well, the Pharaohs found something for them to do.
 
2014-05-01 04:13:53 AM  

100 Watt Walrus: They had whips, Rimmer. Massive, massive whips."


Dammit, beat me too it.
 
2014-05-01 04:14:55 AM  
Now we just need to figure out how they got the pyramids so close to square without lazor beams.
 
2014-05-01 04:15:47 AM  

Ishkur: Frederick: Where is the effort to understand his work? Last I knew only on university had even studied Corral Castle and essentially gave up.

There's no mystery to Coral Castle. It was built the same way every other massive stone structure in ancient times was built: With a block and tackle, lever and fulcrum. Understanding the center of gravity is the key to moving anything (Archimedes famously boasted that he could move the entire world itself if he had a large enough lever).

I mean, let's be realistic here: If Edward Leedskalnin really could levitate rocks, then why did it take him 30 god damn years for him to build the stupid thing? For a guy with supposed magic powers, he sure took his sweet-ass time putting them to use. He only worked at night and he kept the engineering a secret because it made for a good story. It was good tourism.

But there's nothing mystical about his story at all, the "In Search Of" episode notwithstanding.


Yes, those are the principle methods.  You did leave out he did it all by himself.
 
2014-05-01 04:15:50 AM  
I feel I should point out that the headline references a humorous song by the late great Steve Martin from about 40 years ago.

It was funny then and we all laughed and went about our business.

If Steve Martin were here on Fark today, he'd probably frown on this.
 
2014-05-01 04:21:03 AM  

mamoru: Slaves? Is the answer slaves?

*RTFA*

Ah. Slaves and moistening the sand ahead of the sledges on which they were dragging the huge blocks to make it (the sand) more firm.

Although, I'm sure it was probably really aliens because for some reason humans back then weren't smart enough to have been able to figure out such engineering on their own. :p


Slavery: It gets shiat done.
 
2014-05-01 04:26:29 AM  

illannoyin: Danger Avoid Death: Frederick: Lukeonia1: mamoru:

Zahi Hawass is an attention whoring turdknocker who doesn't know even half of what he pretends to know. Plus he has a very punchable face.

Thank you! I watched two minutes of the TV show he made a couple years ago. All he did was attention whore for the cameras to pimp his book and verbally abuse female staffers.

/Fark him


I've seen him do the same thing. Real prince of a guy. I regularly tape documentaries on Egypt, and if I see him in it I'll fast forward through his parts. If he's hosting the thing, or is in too much of it, I'll just delete it without bothering to watch the rest of it. I can't stand that asshole.
 
2014-05-01 04:29:24 AM  

doglover: impaler: doglover: Scientists don't really discover a whole lot. Discoveries are usually engineers and laypeople.

As an engineer, let me celebrate how fuking ignorant your anti-intellectual ass is.

Engineers don't discover, we use the discoveries of scientists to make awesome shiat.

I'm sorry, I can't hear you over the past 6,000 years and all the awesome stuff that was discovered by people who weren't limited to a single vocation in a lifetime.

For a large chunk of history, scientists were the engineers. All the best stuff was discovered by someone trying to finish a project trying something novel to solve an issue. It's only recently the "research scientist" has even existed. Before the 1700s, you were a polymath or out on your ath.


But before that priests were the scientists. The guy who made the first step pyramid was venerated as a god himself. The priestly types for thousands of years were the philosophers and the engineers. They also tightly controlled who could write etc. Again going back to ancient Egypt they had two scripts, one the hieroglyphics and the other the demotic. The beancounters using demotic wouldn't be able to read the instructions for making all those 2.3 million blocks line up so perfectly.

You can quibble about whether the were scientists-- but for example Pythagoras was so named for serving as the translator for the Pythia after training in Egypt as a priest. And he too was deified by a mystery cult.

There weren't even proper scientists before Newton's time and he was himself a classical alchemist, which delves into religious mysteries. After priests gave up total control it was guilds and such that protected secrets. Some hypothesize that a single family developed and maintained Greek fire for the Byzantines, never sharing it with anyone on orders from the Emperors, passing it down through the generations as an oral tradition. One advance, kept locked up for hundreds of years, with few innovations because that takes collaboration and openness. Many thought the same for Roman concrete, though its "secret" ended up being ash from a particular volcano and they ran out of it. After a couple of generations they simply stopped handing down the recipe (which again was an oral tradition to protect it) because nobody could use it.
 
2014-05-01 04:31:38 AM  

untaken_name: Now we just need to figure out how they got the pyramids so close to square without lazor beams.


I have absolutely no knowledge of the pyramids but I'm gonna go with maybe counting? You can make a bunch of smaller squares that you know are square, count them out on the x and y axis?
 
2014-05-01 04:33:11 AM  
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2014-05-01 04:33:47 AM  

Frederick: Here's a troubling fact Egyptologists dont like to discuss: Ever see pics from the inside of a typical Egyptian king burial chamber (example Tutankhamen)? All the of the wall space is covered in artwork. All of it. Ever see the burial chamber artwork from the 3 great pyramids?


And here we come to the problem when people talk about Ancient Egypt: They keep addressing it as if it was one contiguous, unbroken civilization that was unchanging and everlasting, and that it was the same way at the end that it was at the beginning, with no real cultural changes, values or attitude differences. This is wrong.

Ancient Egypt lasted 3000 years! You have any idea how farking long that is? It lasted through 3 Ages, Six major periods and over 30 dynasties. Its religion, culture, and politics constantly changed with the interests and dynamics of its leaders. Some gods that were important at the beginning fell out of favor later on, and they were heavily influenced by their neighbors especially considering that they were occupied by foreigners for nearly 1/3 of their existence.

To address your point, the Pyramid of Khufu and the tomb of Tutankhamen are separated by over 1300 years of cultural drift. We can't even get languages to last that long, what makes you think King Tut's people valued the same things as Khufu's people? Why would you assume that the Old Kingdom ought to draw all over their walls just because the Middle Kingdom did? The Old Kingdom was all about the pyramids. They built over 100 of them. That stopped during the Intermediate Period -- some 600 years later, before even Hammurabi.

The Middle Kingdom was all about the Valley of the Kings because they learned that putting their dead Pharaohs with all their stuff in giant above-ground mausoleums was pretty stupid because it made them easy targets for graverobbers. The new hotness was to try and hide their dead kings and even boobytrap the tombs. The New Kingdom was even more non-descript: Some Pharoahs were just buried with all their stuff in a hillside, with nary a marker or any indication that they were there. That still didn't stop the graverobbers from finding them.

Egypt is not one monolithic entity. It evolved and changed over time like the world around it, and to assert that parts of it don't look like other parts without recognizing the immense timespan between them is short-changing the mutability of Egyptian religion and culture in the ancient world.
 
2014-05-01 04:35:45 AM  

Frederick: Yes, those are the principle methods. You did leave out he did it all by himself.


Well, yes. If he had help, he probably could have had it done in 10 years or so.
 
2014-05-01 04:38:46 AM  

BolloxReader: doglover: impaler: doglover: Scientists don't really discover a whole lot. Discoveries are usually engineers and laypeople.

As an engineer, let me celebrate how fuking ignorant your anti-intellectual ass is.

Engineers don't discover, we use the discoveries of scientists to make awesome shiat.

I'm sorry, I can't hear you over the past 6,000 years and all the awesome stuff that was discovered by people who weren't limited to a single vocation in a lifetime.

For a large chunk of history, scientists were the engineers. All the best stuff was discovered by someone trying to finish a project trying something novel to solve an issue. It's only recently the "research scientist" has even existed. Before the 1700s, you were a polymath or out on your ath.

But before that priests were the scientists. The guy who made the first step pyramid was venerated as a god himself. The priestly types for thousands of years were the philosophers and the engineers. They also tightly controlled who could write etc. Again going back to ancient Egypt they had two scripts, one the hieroglyphics and the other the demotic. The beancounters using demotic wouldn't be able to read the instructions for making all those 2.3 million blocks line up so perfectly.

You can quibble about whether the were scientists-- but for example Pythagoras was so named for serving as the translator for the Pythia after training in Egypt as a priest. And he too was deified by a mystery cult.

There weren't even proper scientists before Newton's time and he was himself a classical alchemist, which delves into religious mysteries. After priests gave up total control it was guilds and such that protected secrets. Some hypothesize that a single family developed and maintained Greek fire for the Byzantines, never sharing it with anyone on orders from the Emperors, passing it down through the generations as an oral tradition. One advance, kept locked up for hundreds of years, with few innovations because that takes colla ...


Exactly. Laypeople.

Science is new, but not as novel as you think.

I particularly hate the biologists who "discover" animals that have been part of a foriegn country's culture forever. Seriously guys, there's other verbs. Use 'em.

This "discovery" was carved into the freaking wall of the pyramid itself for 1000's of years. F- on novelty, A+ on fluid dynamics as it applies to particulate silica in relation to loads in excess of one short ton.
 
2014-05-01 04:39:26 AM  
And I also must echo the sentiment that Zahi Hawess is an attention whoring douchelord. Dude actually thinks he's directly descended from the Pharaohs themselves for crying out loud. No you're not, you self-important twit. You're a Mameluk Arab like everyone else in your country. The Ancient Egyptian bloodline has pretty much been diluted.
 
2014-05-01 04:40:31 AM  

zarker: untaken_name: Now we just need to figure out how they got the pyramids so close to square without lazor beams.

I have absolutely no knowledge of the pyramids but I'm gonna go with maybe counting? You can make a bunch of smaller squares that you know are square, count them out on the x and y axis?


Obviously. Why would you even bother responding when it's clear you don't have the slightest clue what you're talking about? The Great Pyramid covers an area of 13 acres. The sides are square to within 58mm on each side. That is INSANE. Even with laser transits, we can't get buildings only one square city block in area that true.
 
2014-05-01 04:42:25 AM  
2.5 tons? Maybe the smaller ones at the top.
 
2014-05-01 04:44:41 AM  

untaken_name: zarker: untaken_name: Now we just need to figure out how they got the pyramids so close to square without lazor beams.

I have absolutely no knowledge of the pyramids but I'm gonna go with maybe counting? You can make a bunch of smaller squares that you know are square, count them out on the x and y axis?

Obviously. Why would you even bother responding when it's clear you don't have the slightest clue what you're talking about? The Great Pyramid covers an area of 13 acres. The sides are square to within 58mm on each side. That is INSANE. Even with laser transits, we can't get buildings only one square city block in area that true.


Maybe because he's interested in the topic? Instead of, you know, interested in being a dick? FFS.
 
2014-05-01 04:47:03 AM  

gfid: If Steve Martin were here on Fark today, he'd probably frown on this.


Well, ex-CUUUUUUUUUUUUSE ME!
 
2014-05-01 04:50:19 AM  

Ishkur: The Middle Kingdom was all about the Valley of the Kings because they learned that putting their dead Pharaohs with all their stuff in giant above-ground mausoleums was pretty stupid because it made them easy targets for graverobbers.


It just doesnt pass the logic test.  We're to believe Pharaohs dedicated the entire countries wealth and resources to building pyramids as burial chambers -some 20 years supposedly in the making- and then planned no security?  And who exactly was robbing these places?  Good god it should take an army....

The established narrative just doesnt pass the logic test.
 
2014-05-01 04:51:24 AM  

untaken_name: zarker: untaken_name: Now we just need to figure out how they got the pyramids so close to square without lazor beams.

I have absolutely no knowledge of the pyramids but I'm gonna go with maybe counting? You can make a bunch of smaller squares that you know are square, count them out on the x and y axis?

Obviously. Why would you even bother responding when it's clear you don't have the slightest clue what you're talking about? The Great Pyramid covers an area of 13 acres. The sides are square to within 58mm on each side. That is INSANE. Even with laser transits, we can't get buildings only one square city block in area that true.


Maybe they got really lucky
 
2014-05-01 04:52:11 AM  
How did they get all the water needed across the desert?
 
2014-05-01 04:54:29 AM  

robohobo: Maybe because he's interested in the topic? Instead of, you know, interested in being a dick? FFS.


Then why didn't he post about the topic? That seems like a better route to take if you're interested in the topic. Instead of, you know, posting retarded non sequiturs. Also, I asked him, not you, dumbass. FFS.

/not interested in being a dick
//also not interested in NOT being a dick
///GFY if you don't like it.
 
2014-05-01 04:56:29 AM  
Ugh... I HATE these news stories like this.  They're all big on stories and short on actual news.  These A-holes didn't discovered how they did it... they figured how they MIGHT have done it.

And you know in all the time I've ever heard anyone talk about the sheer logistics of how in the hell this would be accomplished.  Does anyone have an idea just how much food it would take to feed that many 'workers'?  How about housing?  Tools and materials?  Sanitation for the workers.  I shudder to think of how much crap that many slaves would make in a day.  And hell this IS the burning desert we're talking about here.  Where did all that hardware come from?  There's not exactly a PharaohMart out there were you can just buy all that stuff.
 
2014-05-01 04:59:26 AM  

untaken_name: robohobo: Maybe because he's interested in the topic? Instead of, you know, interested in being a dick? FFS.

Then why didn't he post about the topic? That seems like a better route to take if you're interested in the topic. Instead of, you know, posting retarded non sequiturs. Also, I asked him, not you, dumbass. FFS.

/not interested in being a dick
//also not interested in NOT being a dick
///GFY if you don't like it.


Anyway, regarding your post, how the fark can we NOT make buildings absolutely true?
 
2014-05-01 05:14:17 AM  
Except the stones the great pyramids are made of weigh so much more. Like 70 or 200 tons more. Our best modern cranes can't lift the things, and we're supposed to believe they floated them many miles downriver from where they were quarried on rafts made of reeds, then put logs under them and rolled them over sand for many more miles. Yes, sand.

There are even some megalithic stones around the world which weigh over a thousand tons. Something is definitely up when we're supposed to believe primitive cultures did things we still can't.
 
2014-05-01 05:26:15 AM  

doglover: Scientists don't really discover a whole lot. Discoveries are usually engineers and laypeople.


1.bp.blogspot.com
 
2014-05-01 05:26:29 AM  

J. Frank Parnell: Except the stones the great pyramids are made of weigh so much more. Like 70 or 200 tons more. Our best modern cranes can't lift the things, and we're supposed to believe they floated them many miles downriver from where they were quarried on rafts made of reeds, then put logs under them and rolled them over sand for many more miles. Yes, sand.

There are even some megalithic stones around the world which weigh over a thousand tons. Something is definitely up when we're supposed to believe primitive cultures did things we still can't.


Seems a lot more believable than "A bunch of bored aliens did it for shiats and giggles", or whatever your pet theory is.
 
2014-05-01 05:28:56 AM  

robohobo: untaken_name: robohobo: Maybe because he's interested in the topic? Instead of, you know, interested in being a dick? FFS.

Then why didn't he post about the topic? That seems like a better route to take if you're interested in the topic. Instead of, you know, posting retarded non sequiturs. Also, I asked him, not you, dumbass. FFS.

/not interested in being a dick
//also not interested in NOT being a dick
///GFY if you don't like it.

Anyway, regarding your post, how the fark can we NOT make buildings absolutely true?


We can make buildings level, plumb, and square. Instead, we choose to make buildings with affordable standardized and mass produced parts, and choose to accept a variance of less than 1% rather than pay the labor perfection would require. As long as you have a superintendent who immediately fires anyone who says "Looks square from my house", this is a perfectly acceptable way to build things.

And, as to how the Egyptians could have made the pyramids square, they used sticks, rope, and math. Take a surveying course some time. It's absolutely shocking what you can do with sticks, rope, and math. Every city street you've ever driven on, as well as most country roads, were laid out with the same methods.
 
2014-05-01 05:29:11 AM  

Old enough to know better: J. Frank Parnell: Except the stones the great pyramids are made of weigh so much more. Like 70 or 200 tons more. Our best modern cranes can't lift the things, and we're supposed to believe they floated them many miles downriver from where they were quarried on rafts made of reeds, then put logs under them and rolled them over sand for many more miles. Yes, sand.

There are even some megalithic stones around the world which weigh over a thousand tons. Something is definitely up when we're supposed to believe primitive cultures did things we still can't.

Seems a lot more believable than "A bunch of bored aliens did it for shiats and giggles", or whatever your pet theory is.


vivimilano.corriere.it
 
2014-05-01 05:30:43 AM  

J. Frank Parnell: Something is definitely up when we're supposed to believe primitive cultures did things we still can't.


Do you honestly believe that we couldn't build a structure like one of the pyramids if we really cared to?  Really?
 
2014-05-01 05:31:29 AM  

TopoGigo: robohobo: untaken_name: robohobo: Maybe because he's interested in the topic? Instead of, you know, interested in being a dick? FFS.

Then why didn't he post about the topic? That seems like a better route to take if you're interested in the topic. Instead of, you know, posting retarded non sequiturs. Also, I asked him, not you, dumbass. FFS.

/not interested in being a dick
//also not interested in NOT being a dick
///GFY if you don't like it.

Anyway, regarding your post, how the fark can we NOT make buildings absolutely true?

We can make buildings level, plumb, and square. Instead, we choose to make buildings with affordable standardized and mass produced parts, and choose to accept a variance of less than 1% rather than pay the labor perfection would require. As long as you have a superintendent who immediately fires anyone who says "Looks square from my house", this is a perfectly acceptable way to build things.

And, as to how the Egyptians could have made the pyramids square, they used sticks, rope, and math. Take a surveying course some time. It's absolutely shocking what you can do with sticks, rope, and math. Every city street you've ever driven on, as well as most country roads, were laid out with the same methods.


Figured it would come down to money.
 
2014-05-01 05:32:35 AM  

Old enough to know better: J. Frank Parnell: Except the stones the great pyramids are made of weigh so much more. Like 70 or 200 tons more. Our best modern cranes can't lift the things, and we're supposed to believe they floated them many miles downriver from where they were quarried on rafts made of reeds, then put logs under them and rolled them over sand for many more miles. Yes, sand.

There are even some megalithic stones around the world which weigh over a thousand tons. Something is definitely up when we're supposed to believe primitive cultures did things we still can't.

Seems a lot more believable than "A bunch of bored aliens did it for shiats and giggles", or whatever your pet theory is.


There's no such thing as aliens. God put them there 2000 years ago.
 
2014-05-01 05:35:10 AM  

Frederick: It just doesnt pass the logic test.


You do realize we're talking about religion, right? ...logic has nothing to do with it.

Frederick: We're to believe Pharaohs dedicated the entire countries wealth and resources to building pyramids as burial chambers -some 20 years supposedly in the making- and then planned no security?


What, mummy's curse isn't good enough for you? They were a superstitious people obsessed with immortality, and they believed their rulers were literal gods. Who would have the nerve to even think about desecrating their holy resting places?

Frederick: And who exactly was robbing these places?


Their descendents. They did not anticipate that cultural attitudes toward the infallible Pharaohs would change over time, especially when the early ones were so insisting on burying a sizable chunk of the country's gross domestic product with them. That left later dynasties a little cash-strapped which they resented.

The diminishing power of the Pharaohs in the First Intermediate Period meant that no one was afraid anymore of any divine retribution if they jacked the jewellery from their great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-grandking's tomb.
 
2014-05-01 05:36:09 AM  
DNRTFA or many of the comments....

As the Pyramid was being built they piled more and more sand around it for manageable inclines
to haul stone blocks into place.
When it was finished it was mostly buried in sand.
Then they took the sand away down to ground level.

Ta-Da! Pyramid!
 
2014-05-01 05:37:07 AM  

Frederick: We're to believe Pharaohs dedicated the entire countries wealth and resources to building pyramids as burial chambers -some 20 years supposedly in the making- and then planned no security?


I don't think it's terribly far-fetched to think that people who fancied themselves as gods wouldn't consider the idea that one of their loyal worshippers would desecrate their own god's tomb.  These had to be some of the most aloof people in history.

Besides, what is your alternative theory?
 
2014-05-01 05:38:12 AM  

Frederick: It just doesnt pass the logic test.  We're to believe Pharaohs dedicated the entire countries wealth and resources to building pyramids as burial chambers -some 20 years supposedly in the making- and then planned no security?  And who exactly was robbing these places?  Good god it should take an army....

The established narrative just doesnt pass the logic test.


It's not easy to hire someone to maintain site security for the necessary thousands of years.
 
2014-05-01 05:38:21 AM  

Ambivalence: mamoru: Slaves? Is the answer slaves?

*RTFA*

Ah. Slaves and moistening the sand ahead of the sledges on which they were dragging the huge blocks to make it (the sand) more firm.

Although, I'm sure it was probably really aliens because for some reason humans back then weren't smart enough to have been able to figure out such engineering on their own. :p

Ancient people were surprisingly observant.

Also it probably wasn't water.  It was probably urine.

(water in a desert is hard to come by.  but you have hundreds of slaves pulling shiat, give THEM the water and let them go to town "wetting the sand").


It's pretty easy to get when you have a giant river running through the middle of a desert.  Urine, on the other hand, was far too expensive to use for that sort of thing.  Only source of ammonia up til 1909 (Haber Process), which you need for textile production.
 
2014-05-01 05:43:10 AM  

untaken_name: Now we just need to figure out how they got the pyramids so close to square without lazor beams.


a^2 + b^2 = c^2

Works *every* time.

Also an engineer.  Have spent my life getting other people to pay me to play with toys I buy with their money.
Best job in the world.  One of my designs even made SkyMall and another is well on its way to helping
to diagnose AIDS in Africa.

Happy International Worker's Day!
 
2014-05-01 05:43:21 AM  

Sgygus: Frederick: It just doesnt pass the logic test.  We're to believe Pharaohs dedicated the entire countries wealth and resources to building pyramids as burial chambers -some 20 years supposedly in the making- and then planned no security?  And who exactly was robbing these places?  Good god it should take an army....

The established narrative just doesnt pass the logic test.

It's not easy to hire someone to maintain site security for the necessary thousands of years.


i0.wp.com
 
2014-05-01 05:49:16 AM  

J. Frank Parnell: Except the stones the great pyramids are made of weigh so much more. Like 70 or 200 tons more.


No. No they weren't. The largest blocks (the ones at the bottom) are at most about 10 tons. They get smaller as it goes up.

You're probably thinking of the obelisks. Those things are farking huge, and indeed get up to 200 tons and way more. There is even an unfinished one (abandoned) that was 1200 tons -- that one they just gave up on and said "fark it, this one's too big."

But we know how the obelisks were built and transported because there's all sorts of them that were abandoned or unfinished (like the one above) in mid transport because they cracked or they just never got around to it. And some modern engineering teams have replicated the efforts using the same tools. It just requires a large amount of manpower, and a generous project cycle that might be off and on for years.
 
2014-05-01 06:00:12 AM  

untaken_name: zarker: untaken_name: Now we just need to figure out how they got the pyramids so close to square without lazor beams.

I have absolutely no knowledge of the pyramids but I'm gonna go with maybe counting? You can make a bunch of smaller squares that you know are square, count them out on the x and y axis?

Obviously. Why would you even bother responding when it's clear you don't have the slightest clue what you're talking about? The Great Pyramid covers an area of 13 acres. The sides are square to within 58mm on each side. That is INSANE. Even with laser transits, we can't get buildings only one square city block in area that true.


The Egyptians were really REALLY good at that kind of thing for a simple reason- the Nile flooded EVERY YEAR. People had land they used for agriculture under that water, the very same water that tended to wash away markers used for surveying. Since more land = more crops, every year it would be a dispute whose property lines were where once the river receded, especially since that was the most fertile and valuable land. Every year it had to get re-figured out by surveyors, who had to be able to appease all parties involved. Egyptians pretty much invented surveying as a thing that people did to figure this stuff out, and invented a lot of math to help them. So they had a ton of people sitting around with a lifetime's worth of surveying skills with hundreds of years of practice behind them understanding how to measure distances between things and being very, very precise about it.
 
2014-05-01 06:07:53 AM  
Saw cut in pyramid stone. Black and Decker?
www.oocities.org
 
2014-05-01 06:13:00 AM  
Old fart subby is old.
 
2014-05-01 06:13:40 AM  

Gawdzila: Frederick: We're to believe Pharaohs dedicated the entire countries wealth and resources to building pyramids as burial chambers -some 20 years supposedly in the making- and then planned no security?

I don't think it's terribly far-fetched to think that people who fancied themselves as gods wouldn't consider the idea that one of their loyal worshippers would desecrate their own god's tomb.  These had to be some of the most aloof people in history.

Besides, what is your alternative theory?


You really think they thought themselves as gods?  Highly unlikely.  Gods move the sun across the sky.  Did pharaohs ever do that? They aligned themselves with gods.  Hoped to be with gods when they died.  Thinking yourself a god is different than telling your minions you are a god.  I'm sure the pharaohs knew they were not gods.
 Most likely the three pyramids of Giza were not burial chambers.  Have you seen the entrances into the great pyramid?  Not real conducive to looting.
 
2014-05-01 06:15:54 AM  

Deep Contact: Saw cut in pyramid stone. Black and Decker?
[www.oocities.org image 576x392]


Baset and Tawaret.
 
2014-05-01 06:16:24 AM  

Frederick: Gawdzila: Frederick: We're to believe Pharaohs dedicated the entire countries wealth and resources to building pyramids as burial chambers -some 20 years supposedly in the making- and then planned no security?

I don't think it's terribly far-fetched to think that people who fancied themselves as gods wouldn't consider the idea that one of their loyal worshippers would desecrate their own god's tomb.  These had to be some of the most aloof people in history.

Besides, what is your alternative theory?

You really think they thought themselves as gods?  Highly unlikely.  Gods move the sun across the sky.  Did pharaohs ever do that? They aligned themselves with gods.  Hoped to be with gods when they died.  Thinking yourself a god is different than telling your minions you are a god.  I'm sure the pharaohs knew they were not gods.
 Most likely the three pyramids of Giza were not burial chambers.  Have you seen the entrances into the great pyramid?  Not real conducive to looting.


I'm thinking they were just as arrogant and self important as todays politicians. Probably more so. People worship(ped) them, nonetheless.
 
2014-05-01 06:30:43 AM  

Frederick: You really think they thought themselves as gods?


They had to in order to assert total and complete control.

Frederick: I'm sure the pharaohs knew they were not gods.


No, that comes after they die. If they did what what they had to do to ascend to divinity.

Frederick: Most likely the three pyramids of Giza were not burial chambers.


No, they were immortality preservers.

/"look upon my works, ye mighty, and despair"
 
2014-05-01 06:33:57 AM  

Frederick: Most likely the three pyramids of Giza were not burial chambers.


Look, I've read Alan F. Alford and Neil Freer and Zacharia Sitchin and Erich von Daniken too, and the only thing I got out of my "ancient astronaut" phase is that those guys, from a pure investigative inquiry perspective, are full of shiat.
 
2014-05-01 06:49:42 AM  

Ishkur: Frederick: Most likely the three pyramids of Giza were not burial chambers.

No, they were immortality preservers.


That they were.  But for whom.  I mean, if it were for Egyptian pharaohs then they sure did lose a lot of knowledge and prestige over time.  Prestige is understandable, power being fleeting -but knowledge?  Thats unforgivable.  And the cost is doubt.  You lose knowledge as a nation, you earn doubt in return.  And I doubt most of what Egyptologists say.

Ishkur: Frederick: Most likely the three pyramids of Giza were not burial chambers.

Look, I've read Alan F. Alford and Neil Freer and Zacharia Sitchin and Erich von Daniken too, and the only thing I got out of my "ancient astronaut" phase is that those guys, from a pure investigative inquiry perspective, are full of shiat.


I'll take Graham Hancock, Robert Bauval and Robert M. Schoch over the words of Zahi Hawass every time.
 
2014-05-01 06:57:16 AM  
encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com
 
2014-05-01 07:04:32 AM  

mamoru: Slaves? Is the answer slaves?

*RTFA*

Ah. Slaves and moistening the sand ahead of the sledges on which they were dragging the huge blocks to make it (the sand) more firm.

Although, I'm sure it was probably really aliens because for some reason humans back then weren't smart enough to have been able to figure out such engineering on their own. :p


I missed the part where slaves are stronger than other humans
 
2014-05-01 07:07:02 AM  

Frederick: And who exactly was robbing these places?


We did. We robbed them. Or did that escape your notice?
 
2014-05-01 07:14:21 AM  
My theory is that the pyramids were built underground with whatever was there by carving the pyramids out of the bedrock.  Then, they just cleared all the sand and shipped it to resorts around the world to create fantastic beaches.

You'll spend a relaxing 4 days and 4 nights at this beautiful beach while sailing in YOUR BRAND NEW BOAT!

All of this can be yours, IF the price is right.
 
2014-05-01 07:15:04 AM  

moothemagiccow: mamoru: Slaves? Is the answer slaves?

*RTFA*

Ah. Slaves and moistening the sand ahead of the sledges on which they were dragging the huge blocks to make it (the sand) more firm.

Although, I'm sure it was probably really aliens because for some reason humans back then weren't smart enough to have been able to figure out such engineering on their own. :p

I missed the part where slaves are stronger than other humans


Ok now I want you to pull on this rope as hard as you can.

(Pulls out bull whip) now pull harder.
 
2014-05-01 07:26:51 AM  

Frederick: SauronWasFramed: Edward Leedskalnin laughs at this study

Where is the effort to understand his work?  Last I knew only on university had even studied Corral Castle and essentially gave up.


http://www.livescience.com/41075-coral-castle.html

http://ancientaliensdebunked.com/coral-castle-debunked/

http://peterhancock.cos.ucf.edu/the-making-of-a-modern-myth-edward-l ee dskalnin-and-the-coral-castle/

I used something called Google - all the cool kids use it.

And...Man Moves Huge Blocks!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pCvx5gSnfW4
 
2014-05-01 07:28:54 AM  

moothemagiccow: mamoru: Slaves? Is the answer slaves?

*RTFA*

Ah. Slaves and moistening the sand ahead of the sledges on which they were dragging the huge blocks to make it (the sand) more firm.

Although, I'm sure it was probably really aliens because for some reason humans back then weren't smart enough to have been able to figure out such engineering on their own. :p

I missed the part where slaves are stronger than other humans


That sounds suspiciously like the part that got Jimmy the Greek fired. Don't go there.
 
2014-05-01 07:32:13 AM  

Frederick: Ishkur: Frederick: Most likely the three pyramids of Giza were not burial chambers.

No, they were immortality preservers.

That they were.  But for whom.  I mean, if it were for Egyptian pharaohs then they sure did lose a lot of knowledge and prestige over time.  Prestige is understandable, power being fleeting -but knowledge?  Thats unforgivable.  And the cost is doubt.  You lose knowledge as a nation, you earn doubt in return.  And I doubt most of what Egyptologists say.

Ishkur: Frederick: Most likely the three pyramids of Giza were not burial chambers.

Look, I've read Alan F. Alford and Neil Freer and Zacharia Sitchin and Erich von Daniken too, and the only thing I got out of my "ancient astronaut" phase is that those guys, from a pure investigative inquiry perspective, are full of shiat.

I'll take Graham Hancock, Robert Bauval and Robert M. Schoch over the words of Zahi Hawass every time.



I'll take Robert Bauval, Robert M. Schoch and Zahi Hawass over Graham Hancock any farking day.

Hancock is almost David Icke. He's almost as bad as the 'It's Aliens!' guy. He's an idiot with an disarming accent.

BBC Horizon 2000 Atlantis Reborn Again (Scandal) 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2aidAvE1lJs
 
2014-05-01 07:40:33 AM  

johnphantom: How did they get all the water needed across the desert?


Ancient Egyptians did the obvious - they built cities near the water source ie, the Nile.

The Giza Plateau is relatively close to the Nile. I'm sure they were smart enough to channel its water to build, and to drink from.
 
2014-05-01 07:43:28 AM  

Frederick: I'll take Graham Hancock, Robert Bauval and Robert M. Schoch over the words of Zahi Hawass every time.


I was wondering when these names were going to turn up. The pyramids are on Orion's belt!

Fortunately, we don't have to choose between Bauval et. al. and Zahi Hawasshole.
 
2014-05-01 07:44:45 AM  

GungFu: johnphantom: How did they get all the water needed across the desert?

Ancient Egyptians did the obvious - they built cities near the water source ie, the Nile.

The Giza Plateau is relatively close to the Nile. I'm sure they were smart enough to channel its water to build, and to drink from.


www.khufu.dk

The Nile we see today isn't where it was thousands of years ago. However, if you track where most of the ancient sites are and going through historical charts and alike, you can pretty much see where the Nile flowed all those years ago.
 
2014-05-01 07:46:16 AM  

impaler: doglover: Scientists don't really discover a whole lot. Discoveries are usually engineers and laypeople.

As an engineer, let me celebrate how fuking ignorant your anti-intellectual ass is.

Engineers don't discover, we use the discoveries of scientists to make awesome shiat.


They also have sky high rates of denialism, creationism, and conservatism. Probably due to the fact that if that know one or two facts about a subject, then they have enough information to figure out the entire subject.

/engineer in training.
 
2014-05-01 07:48:48 AM  
Humans can do incredible things to avoid starving and death. How did the Egyptians build the pyrimids? They were told to.
 
2014-05-01 07:56:02 AM  

Frederick: That they were. But for whom.


For themselves. And it worked. They're still remembered. And their pyramids are still farking there and will probably be there for the next hundred thousand years.
 
2014-05-01 08:01:11 AM  
Uh pretty sure it was because gravity was less back then. it goes through cycles. in the future it will continue to get to the point where gravity changes each day. there will be good and bad gravity days.

/Mildly obscure?
//probably not...its fark
///slashies
 
2014-05-01 08:02:19 AM  

Frederick: Lukeonia1: mamoru: Slaves? Is the answer slaves?
Nope, the general consensus is that the folks who built the pyramids were paid laborers. After all, would you want your monument carved by a surly, unpaid slave?

The general consensus of Egyptologists; that is.  Which, frankly, isnt very credible.  Zahi Hawass is/was nothing more than an fanboy.  A lot of the Egyptologist consensus is unchallenged utter BS.


http://www.touregypt.net/featurestories/gizavillage.htm

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2002/08/0805_020805_giza.htm l
And so on...

It seems to me that your knowledge of Ancient Egypt is extremely limited. They've made documentaries on the worker's villages found near the great pyramids, ffs.

I think you might need to watch this:

Ancient Aliens Debunked.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j9w-i5oZqaQ
 
2014-05-01 08:05:06 AM  

gfid: I feel I should point out that the headline references a humorous song by the late great Steve Martin from about 40 years ago.


I feel I should point out that Steve Martin is very much alive.
 
2014-05-01 08:05:07 AM  

uberaverage: Humans can do incredible things to avoid starving and death. How did the Egyptians build the pyrimids? They were told to.


More likely they were told to remove the sand around the pyramids.
 
2014-05-01 08:09:24 AM  

Deep Contact: Saw cut in pyramid stone. Black and Decker?
[www.oocities.org image 576x392]


Copper saws and sand.

/sorry, my google-fu is weak this morning, best i could do
 
2014-05-01 08:09:49 AM  

Shakin_Haitian: impaler: doglover: Scientists don't really discover a whole lot. Discoveries are usually engineers and laypeople.

As an engineer, let me celebrate how fuking ignorant your anti-intellectual ass is.

Engineers don't discover, we use the discoveries of scientists to make awesome shiat.

They also have sky high rates of denialism, creationism, and conservatism. Probably due to the fact that if that know one or two facts about a subject, then they have enough information to figure out the entire subject.

/engineer in training.



www.smbc-comics.com
 
2014-05-01 08:16:21 AM  
encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com
 
2014-05-01 08:18:50 AM  
For the record I miss the Art Bell program.
 
2014-05-01 08:20:27 AM  

impaler: doglover: Scientists don't really discover a whole lot. Discoveries are usually engineers and laypeople.

As an engineer, let me celebrate how fuking ignorant your anti-intellectual ass is.

Engineers don't discover, we use the discoveries of scientists to make awesome shiat.


As a scientist, let me say thanks for having our backs.

And thanks for the awesome shiat.
 
2014-05-01 08:21:49 AM  
www.morethings.com
 
2014-05-01 08:21:54 AM  
spudcomics.com
 
2014-05-01 08:25:59 AM  

Ambivalence: Also it probably wasn't water.  It was probably urine.

(water in a desert is hard to come by.  but you have hundreds of slaves pulling shiat, give THEM the water and let them go to town "wetting the sand").


A) To pee you have to drink first.

B) If only they had some large source of water near by.

twiddlingthumbs.info
 
2014-05-01 08:26:41 AM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Huh... I thought they poured Jews on it


Jews are like 70 percent water!
 
2014-05-01 08:30:44 AM  

Ishkur: Frederick: Where is the effort to understand his work? Last I knew only on university had even studied Corral Castle and essentially gave up.

There's no mystery to Coral Castle. It was built the same way every other massive stone structure in ancient times was built: With a block and tackle, lever and fulcrum. Understanding the center of gravity is the key to moving anything (Archimedes famously boasted that he could move the entire world itself if he had a large enough lever).

I mean, let's be realistic here: If Edward Leedskalnin really could levitate rocks, then why did it take him 30 god damn years for him to build the stupid thing? For a guy with supposed magic powers, he sure took his sweet-ass time putting them to use. He only worked at night and he kept the engineering a secret because it made for a good story. It was good tourism.

But there's nothing mystical about his story at all, the "In Search Of" episode notwithstanding.


This

i1.ytimg.com
 
2014-05-01 08:35:43 AM  
When that song came out some of my friends insisted the line was "condoms made of stone-a". Ouch.
 
2014-05-01 08:45:22 AM  

SpectroBoy: [www.morethings.com image 706x480]


Came for this!

(and I'm considering changing my name to Gern Blanston)
 
2014-05-01 09:00:46 AM  

gfid: the late great Steve Martin


Whaaaa.....?  Don't tell me Vigoda got anouther one.
 
2014-05-01 09:08:30 AM  
Then the wet the air to lift them into place!

Also, the Egyptians didn't build the larger pyramids.
 
2014-05-01 09:09:06 AM  
GungFu:

And...Man Moves Huge Blocks!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pCvx5gSnfW4


Came here for this. Given that this is just one man moving these huge pieces by himself it is easy to extrapolate what a larger more well funded group could accomplish.

Zahi Hawass is a bit of a self important twat and is little more than a publicity agent for Egypt.
 
2014-05-01 09:10:09 AM  

s2s2s2: Then they wet the air to lift them into place!

Also, the Egyptians didn't build the larger pyramids.

 
2014-05-01 09:10:25 AM  

cretinbob: Now move 2.3 million of them in 20 years



No pyramid was constructed that quickly...
 
2014-05-01 09:11:48 AM  

s2s2s2: Then the wet the air to lift them into place!

Also, the Egyptians didn't build the larger pyramids.


Yes they did. There are literally dozens of possible ways they could have done it. One of my favourite theories is the construction of water elevators, though I don't put *too* much stock in that one.
 
2014-05-01 09:15:20 AM  

LavenderWolf: Yes they did. There are literally dozens of possible ways they could have done it. One of my favourite theories is the construction of water elevators, though I don't put *too* much stock in that one.


It would have been some early ass Egyptians. But water theories aren't too wacky, as that area was much wetter and greener when the great pyramids were built much longer ago than is accepted by archaeologists.
 
2014-05-01 09:20:56 AM  

doglover: impaler: doglover: Scientists don't really discover a whole lot. Discoveries are usually engineers and laypeople.

As an engineer, let me celebrate how fuking ignorant your anti-intellectual ass is.

Engineers don't discover, we use the discoveries of scientists to make awesome shiat.

I'm sorry, I can't hear you over the past 6,000 years and all the awesome stuff that was discovered by people who weren't limited to a single vocation in a lifetime.

For a large chunk of history, scientists were the engineers. All the best stuff was discovered by someone trying to finish a project trying something novel to solve an issue. It's only recently the "research scientist" has even existed. Before the 1700s, you were a polymath or out on your ath.


I'm sorry, I can't hear you over your original statement that was made in the PRESENT TENSE. "Before scientists existed, they hardly made any discoveries! What's up with that?"
 
2014-05-01 09:21:23 AM  

LavenderWolf: cretinbob: Now move 2.3 million of them in 20 years


No pyramid was constructed that quickly...


By the way, this is just my opinion. I think the ancient Egyptians exaggerated things; it fits with their culture to have done that.
 
2014-05-01 09:24:06 AM  

s2s2s2: LavenderWolf: Yes they did. There are literally dozens of possible ways they could have done it. One of my favourite theories is the construction of water elevators, though I don't put *too* much stock in that one.

It would have been some early ass Egyptians. But water theories aren't too wacky, as that area was much wetter and greener when the great pyramids were built much longer ago than is accepted by archaeologists.


What leads you to believe that they are older than archaeologists believe?
 
2014-05-01 09:24:29 AM  

J. Frank Parnell: Except the stones the great pyramids are made of weigh so much more. Like 70 or 200 tons more. Our best modern cranes can't lift the things, and we're supposed to believe they floated them many miles downriver from where they were quarried on rafts made of reeds, then put logs under them and rolled them over sand for many more miles. Yes, sand.

There are even some megalithic stones around the world which weigh over a thousand tons. Something is definitely up when we're supposed to believe primitive cultures did things we still can't.


I'm going to go ahead and assume you're just making a joke or something.  We have cranes that can lift upwards of 5.5million pounds, or roughly 2750 tons.  We can put 200ton cranes on wheels.  And power it with roughly 500hp, which is about the same force you could get out of ~3000 organized laborers.    As far as the article goes, 2.5 tons is not all that much weight and could easily be moved with enough people and enough time which the Egyptians had plenty of each.
What a 200ton crane might light like:
image.made-in-china.com
 
2014-05-01 09:25:58 AM  

untaken_name: The sides are square to within 58mm on each side.


Not 57 or 59, 58mm.

Supposedly, we are measuring this to the precision of a millimeter, in order to determine how precise the Egyptians were. You don't see a problem with that?
rielworld.com
 
2014-05-01 09:29:42 AM  

DubtodaIll: J. Frank Parnell: Except the stones the great pyramids are made of weigh so much more. Like 70 or 200 tons more. Our best modern cranes can't lift the things, and we're supposed to believe they floated them many miles downriver from where they were quarried on rafts made of reeds, then put logs under them and rolled them over sand for many more miles. Yes, sand.

There are even some megalithic stones around the world which weigh over a thousand tons. Something is definitely up when we're supposed to believe primitive cultures did things we still can't.

I'm going to go ahead and assume you're just making a joke or something.  We have cranes that can lift upwards of 5.5million pounds, or roughly 2750 tons.  We can put 200ton cranes on wheels.  And power it with roughly 500hp, which is about the same force you could get out of ~3000 organized laborers.    As far as the article goes, 2.5 tons is not all that much weight and could easily be moved with enough people and enough time which the Egyptians had plenty of each.
What a 200ton crane might light like:
[image.made-in-china.com image 800x532]


A few years ago I worked in a convenience store, and various neighbourhood folks would stop by and chat for a while every day.

One of my regulars asked, one day, when I got off work and if I'd be willing to help move "some stones." I said I'd be off in a couple hours (plenty of daylight left) and I'd love to help out.

So I get to the dude's place and there's another dozen or so guys milling about. The guy who asked for my help gathered us all up and we walked a few hundred meters away to some giant masonry stones weighing 1-3 tons, used in the construction of the local canal a century prior.

So with about 14-15 guys, we moved those stones. By hand, with no mechanical assistance whatsoever, without breaking a single stone or suffering a single injury. We set them up to border his front lawn.

I have absolutely zero trouble believing the ancient Egyptians could have moved the pyramid stones - because I've done similar, on a slightly smaller scale.
 
2014-05-01 09:31:09 AM  
This is fark so I'm in a state of ummm.. nevermind.

Zahi gets a bad rep but he has done more to keep the loonies out that anyone else... I agree there was some collateral damage.

I think that many "scribes" were engineers or builders based on what I've seen.

The royal ship (of Cheops) was bigger and stronger than the Mayflower.

The stones of the major 3 pyramids got smaller as they went up.  The "cambers" were all in the center at some point during the construction.   Almost as if you had to have a chamber in the middle when the king died but you didn't know when that would be.

The corners of the great 3 line up.  They didn't build them around the edges, they added to only two edges.

I don't think they were ever finished. Funny enough there are nearly no finished buildings in Cairo today which says "tradition" to me.  If they had been finished, there would be far more slanted stone used in other places in the city.
 
2014-05-01 09:35:21 AM  

impaler: Not 57 or 59, 58mm.

Supposedly, we are measuring this to the precision of a millimeter, in order to determine how precise the Egyptians were. You don't see a problem with that?


Isn't that line about that way up the hill?

They did high precision stuff for some of the stones in the chambers but the rest is all rough cut.  What they did get to high precision is the flatness of the top level stones a few layers in but they aren't within a mm.
 
2014-05-01 09:37:02 AM  

LavenderWolf: What leads you to believe that they are older than archaeologists believe?


Some weird videos I watched on youtube. Seemed legit.
 
2014-05-01 09:58:33 AM  

J. Frank Parnell: Except the stones the great pyramids are made of weigh so much more. Like 70 or 200 tons more. Our best modern cranes can't lift the things, and we're supposed to believe they floated them many miles downriver from where they were quarried on rafts made of reeds, then put logs under them and rolled them over sand for many more miles. Yes, sand.

There are even some megalithic stones around the world which weigh over a thousand tons. Something is definitely up when we're supposed to believe primitive cultures did things we still can't.


Wow.  I can hear the X-Files theme song echoing around in that empty head of yours, all the way over here...
 
2014-05-01 10:11:48 AM  
impaler:

untaken_name: The sides are square to within 58mm on each side.

Not 57 or 59, 58mm.

Supposedly, we are measuring this to the precision of a millimeter, in order to determine how precise the Egyptians were. You don't see a problem with that?



Thanks for saving me the trouble of pointing that out... Having actually seen the Egyptian pyramids they're crooked and weathered as hell, and they were originally cased in limestone that was stripped off centuries ago.

And for all the "Ancient Aliens" types, I have to say that those aliens sure had to go through a lot of trial and error, as evidenced by the hundreds of mastabas built over centuries of time all over Giza and farkups like The Bent Pyramid.

/ has also climbed all over pyramids in the Yucatan. Impressive feats of human engineering, not evidence of aliens.
 
2014-05-01 10:13:05 AM  
There's a lot of people who got their degrees from Google University in here.
 
2014-05-01 10:13:44 AM  

CheekyMonkey: J. Frank Parnell: Except the stones the great pyramids are made of weigh so much more. Like 70 or 200 tons more. Our best modern cranes can't lift the things, and we're supposed to believe they floated them many miles downriver from where they were quarried on rafts made of reeds, then put logs under them and rolled them over sand for many more miles. Yes, sand.

There are even some megalithic stones around the world which weigh over a thousand tons. Something is definitely up when we're supposed to believe primitive cultures did things we still can't.

Wow.  I can hear the X-Files theme song echoing around in that empty head of yours, all the way over here...


It's real to him.... dammit.
 
2014-05-01 10:15:03 AM  

LavenderWolf: So with about 14-15 guys, we moved those stones. By hand, with no mechanical assistance whatsoever, without breaking a single stone or suffering a single injury. We set them up to border his front lawn.

I have absolutely zero trouble believing the ancient Egyptians could have moved the pyramid stones - because I've done similar, on a slightly smaller scale.


Ergo, LavenderWolf is an alien.  Or is doing a poor job of giving credit to the aliens that told him how to do it.

/Can I have my own History Channel show now?
 
2014-05-01 10:22:32 AM  
I have seen a few shows suggesting they weren't dragged there at all, but were cast from a cement like substance. I know most people dont believe that, so i personally ascribe to the theory that given unlimited manpower, brute force, and time, which the Egyptians had tons of, you can do anything. I suspect we are overanalyzing this, "but I am no expert".
 
2014-05-01 10:27:19 AM  
Did You Know the Pyramids Were a Mistake?

www.marketmenot.com
 
2014-05-01 10:33:15 AM  
For anyone who doubts human ability, I would recommend spending some time with a rigging crew. Invariably it's one really old skinny guy who's been doing it forever, a bunch of beefy college-age kids, and some steel pipe rollers and rope. The college kids do not so much as move without the old guy telling them exactly what to do, but with patience and applied physics I've seen some amazing feats performed by riggers.

I recently had to get a stump out of the ground and into a truck bed that weighed 1000+ pounds easily. I managed it myself without power tools, again, through patience and the same physics that's been known longer than written language. If I can do it with 1000 pounds I can do it with 10,000.
 
2014-05-01 10:36:23 AM  

untaken_name: zarker: untaken_name: Now we just need to figure out how they got the pyramids so close to square without lazor beams.

I have absolutely no knowledge of the pyramids but I'm gonna go with maybe counting? You can make a bunch of smaller squares that you know are square, count them out on the x and y axis?

Obviously. Why would you even bother responding when it's clear you don't have the slightest clue what you're talking about? The Great Pyramid covers an area of 13 acres. The sides are square to within 58mm on each side. That is INSANE. Even with laser transits, we can't get buildings only one square city block in area that true.


Yes, we can get buildings that square, we just don't. 58mm is over two inches when the gaps between stones gives you quite a bit of leeway. You can do a lot with a string line; draw a straight line, outline a perfect square in the sand, check a right angle, draw a circle, draw an oval and an elliptic.  You take a rope over a block long, put 50 guys on each end and pull - you end up with a pretty straight line. Two inches off is kind of sloppy when you have 100 pairs of eye's checking the work while they pull. 1000 men with a rope can build a better building than half a dozen with a laser.

I've been to the Great Pyramid - it's not that perfect. Yes, it's square and the stones are roughly the same shape on the outside. Inside the tunnel it's easy to see they filled in with the odd sized stone that is normal waste. Today we factor in roughly 10% to 15% material waste when building, (although the bean counters would like to see 1%); the pyramids probably had over 50%. Not bad though, because they needed to fill the inside with something.

There are over a hundred pyramids in Egypt. Only a few are massive and built square - most are, well, not. People build some pretty cool stuff when there's a lot of labor. Look at all the projects the CCC built.
 
2014-05-01 10:36:23 AM  
They keep discovering how they built the pyramids just about every year, lately.
 
2014-05-01 10:47:07 AM  
Let's quit talking about how they built the pyramids and start talking about RE-building the pyramids.

I'm talkin' white limestone and gold caps and everything.  Tell me that wouldn't be awesome?
 
2014-05-01 10:53:31 AM  

born_yesterday: Let's quit talking about how they built the pyramids and start talking about RE-building the pyramids.

I'm talkin' white limestone and gold caps and everything.  Tell me that wouldn't be awesome?


These days they look more like glass and steel, but I do think it's only a matter of time........    It would be awesome to look at, but these things seem a bit excessive.


/they still have plenty of slaves left over in Dubai don't they?
 
2014-05-01 10:57:12 AM  
Then there's The Broken Obelisk

It is really, truly, jaw-droppingly huge. And even the ancient aliens gave up and said "Nope!" halfway through.

It does however show how they cut megaliths out of stone in the bronze age, and how they intended to move them.
/edit: crap, Fark does not like my URL, look for Broken Obelisk Aswan.
 
2014-05-01 11:00:34 AM  
I always thought the 'This Old Pyramid' episode of NOVA from the early 90's tackled these topics pretty well, although who knows what's been debunked or discovered since then:

http://youtu.be/S7vBlWN3c-0

The main premise of the show was to see if they could build a small pyramid in a certain amount of time, using only tools and methods known (or theorized) to have existed in Ancient Egypt.  I scanned through the video and, yeah, they use water to help their makeshift sleds move across the sand easier.  Along with either rollers or embedded planks of wood.  Wet sand doesn't seem to be a new discovery.
 
2014-05-01 11:01:46 AM  

born_yesterday: Let's quit talking about how they built the pyramids and start talking about RE-building the pyramids.

I'm talkin' white limestone and gold caps and everything.  Tell me that wouldn't be awesome?


I hate that we don't seem to be into making great monuments or fancy-looking buildings anymore. Everything is too functional and practical.
 
2014-05-01 11:03:54 AM  

born_yesterday: Let's quit talking about how they built the pyramids and start talking about RE-building the pyramids.

I'm talkin' white limestone and gold caps and everything.  Tell me that wouldn't be awesome?


It's only a matter of time before an Elon Musk or Justin Bieber figures out what they could have for the cost of renting a backhoe.

Pyramidions are cool... One of the most beautiful objects I've ever seen was a black granite pyramidion in the Cairo museum. It was just so esthetically pleasing that it damn near hurt.
 
2014-05-01 11:05:36 AM  
Ascribing the pyramids in Egypt, South America etc. to aliens is at the least a neo-colonialist view and borders on  (if not fully embraces)racism. "It had to be an unseen never proven to exist race of super beings from outer space because there is no way those brown people could accomplish such a feat."
 
2014-05-01 11:06:40 AM  

mamoru: Slaves? Is the answer slaves?

*RTFA*

Ah. Slaves and moistening the sand ahead of the sledges on which they were dragging the huge blocks to make it (the sand) more firm.

Although, I'm sure it was probably really aliens because for some reason humans back then weren't smart enough to have been able to figure out such engineering on their own. :p


That always pisses me off on those shows how they explain how man couldnt lift these heavy stones without some alien help.
 
2014-05-01 11:12:57 AM  

maxheck: Then there's The Broken Obelisk

It is really, truly, jaw-droppingly huge. And even the ancient aliens gave up and said "Nope!" halfway through.

It does however show how they cut megaliths out of stone in the bronze age, and how they intended to move them.
/edit: crap, Fark does not like my URL, look for Broken Obelisk Aswan.


On Easter Island the workers left thier tools laying on the ground in the main quarry. Those aliens were using primitive tools for space travelers.
 
2014-05-01 11:13:40 AM  
SpectroBoy:

A) To pee you have to drink first.

Do you know how I know you're not an old man?
 
2014-05-01 11:24:09 AM  
The nile used to run near there way back then.
 
2014-05-01 11:24:20 AM  
Like the de-motivational poster says about achievement--you can accomplish anything when you have vision, determination and and endless supply of disposable labor.
 
2014-05-01 11:28:12 AM  
Not sure this is new information.  I saw a show on TV years ago where they did the same thing with water.  The only difference was that they had wood laid perpendicularly across the path to further interfere with the smearing movement of the sand.  They actually poured the water on the wood instead of the sand to keep the liquid from disturbing the otherwise smooth surface.  I think the pyramid they were building was way smaller, but used blocks of a similar dimension -- a little bit fuzzy on that.  Nat Geo?  Honestly don't remember.

Also, is Hwass still around?  I thought the new government bounced him.
 
2014-05-01 11:34:49 AM  
Dear Gizmodo - if this is true, prove your madcap 'theory' at Sacsayhuama,Peru
 
2014-05-01 11:43:40 AM  
Mid_mo_mad_man:

maxheck: Then there's The Broken Obelisk

It is really, truly, jaw-droppingly huge. And even the ancient aliens gave up and said "Nope!" halfway through.

It does however show how they cut megaliths out of stone in the bronze age, and how they intended to move them.
/edit: crap, Fark does not like my URL, look for Broken Obelisk Aswan.

On Easter Island the workers left thier tools laying on the ground in the main quarry. Those aliens were using primitive tools for space travelers.


Which points out the silliness of the von Daniken crowd. We can see what was done, the evidence is right there. But since *they* don't know about it.... Aliens.

/ The broken obelisk is pretty damn impressive. As are things I've seen on several other continents.
 
2014-05-01 11:46:55 AM  
Also, can you imagine being that one guy who gives the final hammer tap and all of a sudden the end falls off the obelisk? *KACHUNK*

Hmmm...Yep, reminds me of working in IT.
 
2014-05-01 11:58:16 AM  

Orgasmatron138: born_yesterday: Let's quit talking about how they built the pyramids and start talking about RE-building the pyramids.

I'm talkin' white limestone and gold caps and everything.  Tell me that wouldn't be awesome?

I hate that we don't seem to be into making great monuments or fancy-looking buildings anymore. Everything is too functional and practical.




La Sagrada Familia
 
2014-05-01 12:11:22 PM  

my_cats_breath_smells_like_cat_food: Orgasmatron138: born_yesterday: Let's quit talking about how they built the pyramids and start talking about RE-building the pyramids.

I'm talkin' white limestone and gold caps and everything.  Tell me that wouldn't be awesome?

I hate that we don't seem to be into making great monuments or fancy-looking buildings anymore. Everything is too functional and practical.

La Sagrada Familia


That one might hang around for a while. Trump Tower(s) and any number of oil baron penis compensations going up in the Middle East, maybe not so much. Italy is littered with belltowers, you haven't arrived in the renaissance unless you've built a tower there, and there's an entire plain in SE Asia of brick temples from around the same time.

The rich are very much into erections from what I've seen.
 
2014-05-01 12:22:07 PM  

Lukeonia1: mamoru: Slaves? Is the answer slaves?
Nope, the general consensus is that the folks who built the pyramids were paid laborers. After all, would you want your monument carved by a surly, unpaid slave?


Also, FTA: how the hell Stonehenge got that way.

Ball bearings.


dvdmedia.ign.com

Approves
 
2014-05-01 12:24:30 PM  

my_cats_breath_smells_like_cat_food: Orgasmatron138: born_yesterday: Let's quit talking about how they built the pyramids and start talking about RE-building the pyramids.

I'm talkin' white limestone and gold caps and everything.  Tell me that wouldn't be awesome?

I hate that we don't seem to be into making great monuments or fancy-looking buildings anymore. Everything is too functional and practical.

La Sagrada Familia


That has to be the most penises (penii ?) I have ever seen on one building. Really.... you think they could have gotten another spire or 2 in there?  LOL
 
2014-05-01 12:54:48 PM  
See?
Old dogs can teach new tricks...
 
2014-05-01 01:03:58 PM  

johnphantom: How did they get all the water needed across the desert?


The pyramids are not far from the Nile.  Most of the distance was over water.  They know where the stones were quarried because, among other things, an obelisk which developed a crack was left partially carved.
 
2014-05-01 01:08:30 PM  
Old news, so exciting.
 
2014-05-01 01:39:05 PM  

Clemkadidlefark: Dear Gizmodo - if this is true, prove your madcap 'theory' at Sacsayhuama,Peru


Hmm.  Can anyone think of a reason why a theory about moving stones across a sandy desert would not be applicable to a mountainous region in Peru?
 
2014-05-01 01:52:41 PM  

Strik3r: my_cats_breath_smells_like_cat_food: Orgasmatron138: born_yesterday: Let's quit talking about how they built the pyramids and start talking about RE-building the pyramids.

I'm talkin' white limestone and gold caps and everything.  Tell me that wouldn't be awesome?

I hate that we don't seem to be into making great monuments or fancy-looking buildings anymore. Everything is too functional and practical.

La Sagrada Familia

That has to be the most penises (penii ?) I have ever seen on one building. Really.... you think they could have gotten another spire or 2 in there?  LOL


Hehe, I guess if you have penis-on-the-brain, you are going to see a lot of them.


Gaudi's work always seemed more organic and trippy than phallic to me, but I guess La Sagrada Familia could be an exception.

/One of my favorite architects, and definitely one of the most unique
//Brilliant method of devising structural forms too
 
2014-05-01 02:13:29 PM  

DubtodaIll: J. Frank Parnell: Except the stones the great pyramids are made of weigh so much more. Like 70 or 200 tons more. Our best modern cranes can't lift the things, and we're supposed to believe they floated them many miles downriver from where they were quarried on rafts made of reeds, then put logs under them and rolled them over sand for many more miles. Yes, sand.

There are even some megalithic stones around the world which weigh over a thousand tons. Something is definitely up when we're supposed to believe primitive cultures did things we still can't.

I'm going to go ahead and assume you're just making a joke or something.  We have cranes that can lift upwards of 5.5million pounds, or roughly 2750 tons.  We can put 200ton cranes on wheels.  And power it with roughly 500hp, which is about the same force you could get out of ~3000 organized laborers.    As far as the article goes, 2.5 tons is not all that much weight and could easily be moved with enough people and enough time which the Egyptians had plenty of each.
What a 200ton crane might light like:
[image.made-in-china.com image 800x532]


Don't be so quick to judge.  I have J. Frank Parnell's posts marked in red as an "Edgar Cayce believer" & "Anti-Vaxxer".  Wouldn't surprise me if he buys into the ancient alien stuff as well.
 
2014-05-01 02:15:50 PM  

untaken_name: robohobo: Maybe because he's interested in the topic? Instead of, you know, interested in being a dick? FFS.

Then why didn't he post about the topic? That seems like a better route to take if you're interested in the topic. Instead of, you know, posting retarded non sequiturs. Also, I asked him, not you, dumbass. FFS.

/not interested in being a dick
//also not interested in NOT being a dick
///GFY if you don't like it.


wow you are a douchebag.
 
2014-05-01 02:27:53 PM  

Ishkur: Frederick: It just doesnt pass the logic test.

You do realize we're talking about religion, right? ...logic has nothing to do with it.

Frederick: We're to believe Pharaohs dedicated the entire countries wealth and resources to building pyramids as burial chambers -some 20 years supposedly in the making- and then planned no security?

What, mummy's curse isn't good enough for you? They were a superstitious people obsessed with immortality, and they believed their rulers were literal gods. Who would have the nerve to even think about desecrating their holy resting places?

Frederick: And who exactly was robbing these places?

Their descendents. They did not anticipate that cultural attitudes toward the infallible Pharaohs would change over time, especially when the early ones were so insisting on burying a sizable chunk of the country's gross domestic product with them. That left later dynasties a little cash-strapped which they resented.

The diminishing power of the Pharaohs in the First Intermediate Period meant that no one was afraid anymore of any divine retribution if they jacked the jewelry from their great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-grandking's tomb.


I've never taken the time to do the research it would require to prove it, but it has always been a theory of mine that all of those graves that were "robbed" were probably done so almost immediately after they were sealed up and done most likely by the successor to the guy they just buried.  The number and quantity of grave goods that was believed to have gone into those tombs represents just too high a portion of Egypt's GDP at the time for the state to have survived not putting them back into circulation quickly
 
2014-05-01 02:45:47 PM  
Magorn:

Ishkur: Frederick: It just doesnt pass the logic test.

You do realize we're talking about religion, right? ...logic has nothing to do with it.

Frederick: We're to believe Pharaohs dedicated the entire countries wealth and resources to building pyramids as burial chambers -some 20 years supposedly in the making- and then planned no security?

What, mummy's curse isn't good enough for you? They were a superstitious people obsessed with immortality, and they believed their rulers were literal gods. Who would have the nerve to even think about desecrating their holy resting places?

Frederick: And who exactly was robbing these places?

Their descendents. They did not anticipate that cultural attitudes toward the infallible Pharaohs would change over time, especially when the early ones were so insisting on burying a sizable chunk of the country's gross domestic product with them. That left later dynasties a little cash-strapped which they resented.

The diminishing power of the Pharaohs in the First Intermediate Period meant that no one was afraid anymore of any divine retribution if they jacked the jewelry from their great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-grandking's tomb.

I've never taken the time to do the research it would require to prove it, but it has always been a theory of mine that all of those graves that were "robbed" were probably done so almost immediately after they were sealed up and done most likely by the successor to the guy they just buried. The number and quantity of grave goods that was believed to have gone into those tombs represents just too high a portion of Egypt's GDP at the time for the state to have survived not putting them back into circulation quickly


Pretty much. One of the main reasons we have Tutankhamen's grave spoils is because he was the nephew of the most unpopular Pharoah *ever* and he died before he came of age. No one figured his grave was worth robbing because he was such a punk.

There is a reason why there's all sorts of 'Indiana Jones' legends of tomb traps though, for exactly the reasons you spoke of. I would not be surprised if more than one Pharoah stroked his (or her in the case of Hapsetshut) beard and thought of the amount of gold buried with good old uncle Merneptah.
 
2014-05-01 03:13:46 PM  
Magorn:

Ishkur: Frederick: It just doesnt pass the logic test.

You do realize we're talking about religion, right? ...logic has nothing to do with it.

Frederick: We're to believe Pharaohs dedicated the entire countries wealth and resources to building pyramids as burial chambers -some 20 years supposedly in the making- and then planned no security?

What, mummy's curse isn't good enough for you? They were a superstitious people obsessed with immortality, and they believed their rulers were literal gods. Who would have the nerve to even think about desecrating their holy resting places?

Frederick: And who exactly was robbing these places?

Their descendents. They did not anticipate that cultural attitudes toward the infallible Pharaohs would change over time, especially when the early ones were so insisting on burying a sizable chunk of the country's gross domestic product with them. That left later dynasties a little cash-strapped which they resented.

The diminishing power of the Pharaohs in the First Intermediate Period meant that no one was afraid anymore of any divine retribution if they jacked the jewelry from their great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-grandking's tomb.

I've never taken the time to do the research it would require to prove it, but it has always been a theory of mine that all of those graves that were "robbed" were probably done so almost immediately after they were sealed up and done most likely by the successor to the guy they just buried. The number and quantity of grave goods that was believed to have gone into those tombs represents just too high a portion of Egypt's GDP at the time for the state to have survived not putting them back into circulation quickly


Just as perspective, even before I could recognize Rameses II's cartouche, I always could pick his out on a wall because it was cut twice as deep as anyone else's.

Why? Because he of Ozymandas fame had no problem at all having people cut his forebears' name out of records and plastering his name over it. That's a guy who would have no problem with grave robbing.
 
2014-05-01 03:46:57 PM  

SpectroBoy: MaudlinMutantMollusk: Huh... I thought they poured Jews on it

Jews are like 70 percent water!


Not after 10 days of Matzos
 
2014-05-01 04:31:52 PM  
Sorry to burst everybody's bubble, but the Egyptians live on sand, the sand was dug out to form canals, the blocks were simply floated to the location, then the hard part was to move them into place. The wet san did help them from that point, up along ramps.
 
2014-05-01 05:02:05 PM  

Loan Starr: I always thought the 'This Old Pyramid' episode of NOVA from the early 90's tackled these topics pretty well, although who knows what's been debunked or discovered since then:

http://youtu.be/S7vBlWN3c-0

The main premise of the show was to see if they could build a small pyramid in a certain amount of time, using only tools and methods known (or theorized) to have existed in Ancient Egypt.  I scanned through the video and, yeah, they use water to help their makeshift sleds move across the sand easier.  Along with either rollers or embedded planks of wood.  Wet sand doesn't seem to be a new discovery.


When the claim from "alternate" theorists is that "they couldn't have moved these particularly large stones with pulleys" then someone "debunks" it by working with something 1/4 sized, I feel cheated.
Build a 1/1 Pyramid, move a 1/1 Moai.
 
2014-05-01 07:20:51 PM  

Ishkur: Lukeonia1: Nope, the general consensus is that the folks who built the pyramids were paid laborers. After all, would you want your monument carved by a surly, unpaid slave?

It's not that they were paid laborers, it's that the Nile river floods like clockwork for three months every year. So you have this massive agrarian population who literally have nothing to do, waiting for the waters to recede so they could plant/harvest their crops.


It wasn't just that.  Up until a couple hundred years ago, the rule was that it required around 90% of your population to produce enough food for your people.  The only large-scale exception to that ever was in Egypt, where the Nile flooding yearly gave them fertile enough land that it's estimated it only required around half their population to be farmers, which of gave the Egyptians a vastly greater pool of laborers (and free time) than any other civilization.
 
2014-05-01 08:17:23 PM  

GungFu: Frederick: SauronWasFramed:
And...Man Moves Huge Blocks!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pCvx5gSnfW4


Did you watch the video?  He does not stack them.  Huge difference.

GungFu: t seems to me that your knowledge of Ancient Egypt is extremely limited. They've made documentaries on the worker's villages found near the great pyramids, ffs.


I've seen them.  Are you aware of where the source of that information came from?  Zahi Hawass the head of Egyptian antiquities at the time.  And if you dont know what that position did for him then you are the one uninformed.

maxheck: Why? Because he of Ozymandas fame had no problem at all having people cut his forebears' name out of records and plastering his name over it.


And even with this practice widely known and accepted their written history is still bizarrely accepted as fact.
 
2014-05-01 08:19:18 PM  
i.imgur.com
 
2014-05-01 09:54:34 PM  

cretinbob: Now move 2.3 million of them in 20 years


The idea that the whole pyramid is constructed of large, boxy shapes cut in stone is retarded. The only stones like that were the first few courses under the casing. Inside that was total bullshiat.

egyptsites.files.wordpress.com

This isn't from farking erosion, dude. Pyramids are not farking geologically old. These pyramids get their large casing blocks "liberated" for other projects. This is what is left behind.

And it can only be seen in...oh...every farking pyramid in Egypt.
 
2014-05-02 04:20:21 AM  

johnphantom: How did they get all the water needed across the desert?


By train.

www.pamirs.org
 
2014-05-02 04:47:00 AM  

Orgasmatron138: born_yesterday: Let's quit talking about how they built the pyramids and start talking about RE-building the pyramids.

I'm talkin' white limestone and gold caps and everything.  Tell me that wouldn't be awesome?

I hate that we don't seem to be into making great monuments or fancy-looking buildings anymore. Everything is too functional and practical.


They take a long time to finish.

www.manataka.org
 
2014-05-02 08:06:15 AM  
Pharoahs hate him!  Learn how this Egyptian foreman used this one weird trick...
 
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