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(CBS San Francisco)   San Jose to offer 'pods' to homeless people. Don't trust them, I've seen this movie before   (sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com) divider line 7
    More: Obvious, sci-fi, San Jose Leaders, San Jose, tags, homeless, emergency shelter  
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2014-05-01 07:19:22 AM  
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JoieD'Zen: Shelters can be a nightmare and there are plenty of drugs to be had in most of them, as well as disease, bedbugs, staff with control issues, and theft.


Yes, but they can also be relatively clean and nice, but with rules that people are unwilling to follow. I have seen that personally. I'm just saying that perhaps the issue is a bit more complex than you inferred, and there is certainly room for the viewpoints you've expressed to be true for some people while the views Ishkur expressed can be true for others. If you knew anything about the history of Ishkur's antipathy toward me, you would realize that it really, really pains me to stand up for him. However, in this instance, he is correct for at least some percentage of the homeless population.
2014-05-01 09:35:08 AM  
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calbert: San Francisco, San Jose.

basically the same.


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2014-05-01 08:59:48 AM  
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yukichigai: Any Pie Left: I think such micro-housing is an earnest attempt to offer a solution, but to the wrong problem.   Based on work I've done supporting social workers, a large number of homeless people -  certainly not all, but a goodly number - have various mental problems, and a common feature of these problems is a highly developed fear of using the kinds of spaces most of us would welcome, if we had no shelter.  Even where more common type overnight communal shelters are available, this segment of the homeless population isn't able to stand living in close proximity to others.  Indeed, in the research we did, a number of the mentally ill homeless had families and friends with homes or apartments that could put them up, but the homeless had paranoia or some other driving motivation that made it impossible for them to come "home".

Building a row of micro-shelters is well-intentioned, but this subset of the homeless population wouldn't want to use them, preferring to carve out a more isolated area that "feels safe" to them.  If they had access to regular doctor care and the right med, many of them could return to more normal ways of living (that was the core of the program we were working on).  Without meds, they get too flakey to show up for regular medical care, even free care -  and they don't show up for counseling, training, or other help to re-integrate into society with any real self-sufficiency.

And while I wouldn't oppose building these things flat-out, it may well be that a simpler and more cost-effective solution is to re-use excess existing housing capacity with subsidized rents, which spreads the population out a bit more and doesn't create a "ghetto" of temporary squatter shacks. A combination of hiring more social workers to be out in the field, helping these homeless people out, plus the subsidized existing housing, I think would help more people for less overall money.


This is of course a separate area of the problem, apart from people who are purel ...


Mental health care wasn't gutted here, but we still have homeless people. It's not a problem that goes away unless you work directly on it; saying "it's a mental health issue" ignores that A) it's an issue separate from mental health, and B) that mental health care alone doesn't house people, and some people simply are too broken to work.
2014-05-01 07:50:38 AM  
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JoieD'Zen: You have no real clue on this subject, do you?


That's the policy in Vancouver, having worked at one.
2014-05-01 06:59:54 AM  
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JoieD'Zen: Ishkur: namatad: step 1) ANYTHING is better than sleeping on the street

A lot of homeless prefer sleeping on the street because shelters will not permit drugs or alcohol.

You have no real clue on this subject, do you?


This is my experience also, from volunteering in a soup kitchen and from talking to people who ask me for money. It's possible that it's true for a certain percentage of people, but not universally true.
2014-05-01 06:39:49 AM  
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namatad: step 1) ANYTHING is better than sleeping on the street


A lot of homeless prefer sleeping on the street because shelters will not permit drugs or alcohol.
2014-04-30 11:59:22 PM  
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