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2014-04-30 09:39:22 PM
Data for the Ivy League study was drawn from anonymous online surveys completed by 616 sophomores, juniors, and seniors who all attend the same university and have not been diagnosed with ADHD.

And all of those surveyed were beautiful blondes with big tits looking for hot sex with researchers. Honest.
 
2014-04-30 10:05:45 PM
So...

They couldn't get by on the same stuff us normal people were using?

/Caffeine, 400 mg every 4 hours.
//And gaining 60 pounds in 8 months because food,water*,sleep, pick 2.
 
2014-04-30 10:25:24 PM
Since when is money a performance enhancing drug?
 
2014-04-30 10:25:47 PM
cocaine, the answer is cocaine
 
2014-04-30 10:27:36 PM

AbiNormal: Since when is money a performance enhancing drug?


Since always.
 
2014-04-30 10:28:23 PM
So?
 
2014-04-30 10:30:23 PM
Is it because they are so excited, yet so scared?


thetalkiespodcast.com
 
2014-04-30 10:31:14 PM
Hell, a good chunk of kids in my class were using/abusing the heck out of adderall/ritalin/amphetamine back in the late 90's early 00's.  Was a well respected engineering dept in a (non-ivy league) boston school.  Specially the pre-med kids.  They weren't getting 3.8s because they were smarter, but because they didn't sleep.

Students traded adderall before exams constantly.  Pissed the hell out of me and the others that got by on good old fashioned hard work.

/Those were the same type of students that would cut pages out of books in the library to keep others from studying for exams, not exactly the type I'm envious of.
 
2014-04-30 10:37:41 PM

PhDemented: Hell, a good chunk of kids in my class were using/abusing the heck out of adderall/ritalin/amphetamine back in the late 90's early 00's.  Was a well respected engineering dept in a (non-ivy league) boston school.  Specially the pre-med kids.  They weren't getting 3.8s because they were smarter, but because they didn't sleep.

Students traded adderall before exams constantly.  Pissed the hell out of me and the others that got by on good old fashioned hard work.

/Those were the same type of students that would cut pages out of books in the library to keep others from studying for exams, not exactly the type I'm envious of.


Don't sweat it. Ultimately the kids who learned success through persistence instead of coasting on brains or relying on drugs do best in work and life.

The brainy kids wind up selling themselves short because they're afraid to fail. The drug-reliant kids get into harder drugs when the Ritalin stops cutting it.

The rich kids with daddy's connections still beat everybody though.
 
2014-04-30 10:38:45 PM
Rampant affluenza outbreak
 
2014-04-30 10:39:23 PM
Now I see the problem.  I was doing it wrong.
 
2014-04-30 10:40:42 PM

Billy Bathsalt: Now I see the problem.  I was doing it wrong.


You could always find work as an Ivy League sports mascot, BB
 
2014-04-30 10:40:51 PM
Article headline: Ivy Leaguers Twice As Likely As Other Students to Use Drugs As Study Aids

My SO studies AIDS. It's not *that* hard... I don't know why someone would rather use drugs.
 
2014-04-30 10:43:25 PM
Tip off of an impending drug squad raid at an Ivy League dorm: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0JF0KJEx6Yo

// can you spot Rob Lowe?
 
2014-04-30 10:44:09 PM
The only thing a scholar graduating from Harvard is assured of is an extra ego-organ powered entirely by self-generating smug. As well as the Pavlovian tendency to salivate upon someone else mentioning their Harvard degree as well.

I wish I hadn't seen that so often in my colleagues from place to place to place.
 
2014-04-30 10:44:39 PM
What doesn't everybody use these?

th09.deviantart.net
 
2014-04-30 10:44:41 PM
Didn't read the article so I don't know what drugs they're talking about, but I smoked a lot of pot with Ivy leaguers. 

/Went to an SEC school, but my best friend from high school was Ivy.
//Some were smart, some just had money.
 
2014-04-30 10:45:17 PM

PhDemented: Hell, a good chunk of kids in my class were using/abusing the heck out of adderall/ritalin/amphetamine back in the late 90's early 00's.  Was a well respected engineering dept in a (non-ivy league) boston school.  Specially the pre-med kids.  They weren't getting 3.8s because they were smarter, but because they didn't sleep.

Students traded adderall before exams constantly.  Pissed the hell out of me and the others that got by on good old fashioned hard work.

/Those were the same type of students that would cut pages out of books in the library to keep others from studying for exams, not exactly the type I'm envious of.


I understand it's harder to focus without the drugs, but it's not like they make you smarter or something. It's still your brain doing the work.
 
2014-04-30 10:46:50 PM
ADHD meds were common in my medical school class. No surprise that it is common at Ivy League schools.
 
2014-04-30 10:49:33 PM

Ivandrago: Didn't read the article so I don't know what drugs they're talking about, but I smoked a lot of pot with Ivy leaguers.

/Went to an SEC school,


Also known as the "Kudzu League".
 
2014-04-30 10:55:58 PM

Likwit: PhDemented: Hell, a good chunk of kids in my class were using/abusing the heck out of adderall/ritalin/amphetamine back in the late 90's early 00's.  Was a well respected engineering dept in a (non-ivy league) boston school.  Specially the pre-med kids.  They weren't getting 3.8s because they were smarter, but because they didn't sleep.

Students traded adderall before exams constantly.  Pissed the hell out of me and the others that got by on good old fashioned hard work.

/Those were the same type of students that would cut pages out of books in the library to keep others from studying for exams, not exactly the type I'm envious of.

I understand it's harder to focus without the drugs, but it's not like they make you smarter or something. It's still your brain doing the work.


You've never taken them.

There's a reason stimulants are banned in sports. They work. Two guys, all things being equal, one given some smack will beat the other in any contest.
 
2014-04-30 11:04:27 PM
Dopers in college become dopers in the workplace.
 
2014-04-30 11:13:04 PM
Don't most Ivy Leaguers get inflated grades anyway? When all you need to to to get an A is show up and be conscious why waste good drugs? Except maybe if the course really is so easy and the teacher so boring that you'd be asleep without help.

Some Harvard undergrad bragging about good grades won't impress me. Doing well in small state schools or better yet a small private college like Wooster ain't so easy.
 
2014-04-30 11:15:08 PM
The issue is being framed incorrect;ly.  Using stimulants to help you study?  Hey, when I went to college everyone bought caffeine pills.  They were perfectly legal but they did have their own problems.

Every once in a while someone would score some cocaine, but we never mistook that as a PED.  We were dumb stoners and just pointed and laughed and did a line if we were offerened one, but it never occurred to us that it might have been a study aid.

So is a cup of coffee a "performance enhancing drug"?

What about coca leaf tea?

Let the young punkks read the warning labels (or ignore them) and accept the risks, whatever they may be.
 
Ral
2014-04-30 11:16:35 PM

doglover: Likwit: PhDemented: Hell, a good chunk of kids in my class were using/abusing the heck out of adderall/ritalin/amphetamine back in the late 90's early 00's.  Was a well respected engineering dept in a (non-ivy league) boston school.  Specially the pre-med kids.  They weren't getting 3.8s because they were smarter, but because they didn't sleep.

Students traded adderall before exams constantly.  Pissed the hell out of me and the others that got by on good old fashioned hard work.

/Those were the same type of students that would cut pages out of books in the library to keep others from studying for exams, not exactly the type I'm envious of.

I understand it's harder to focus without the drugs, but it's not like they make you smarter or something. It's still your brain doing the work.

You've never taken them.

There's a reason stimulants are banned in sports. They work. Two guys, all things being equal, one given some smack will beat the other in any contest.


The drugs don't magically make you know information that you haven't learned.  I don't see how it can be considered cheating in something that involves using your brain to think and remember things (as opposed to a physical sport, where obviously a drug stimulant can be useful in enhancing performance).

Stupid, sure.  But not cheating if you ask me.
 
2014-04-30 11:20:40 PM

Danger Avoid Death: Ivandrago: Didn't read the article so I don't know what drugs they're talking about, but I smoked a lot of pot with Ivy leaguers.

/Went to an SEC school,

Also known as the "Kudzu League".


OK, that's pretty funny right there.
 
2014-04-30 11:23:02 PM

doglover: Likwit: PhDemented: Hell, a good chunk of kids in my class were using/abusing the heck out of adderall/ritalin/amphetamine back in the late 90's early 00's.  Was a well respected engineering dept in a (non-ivy league) boston school.  Specially the pre-med kids.  They weren't getting 3.8s because they were smarter, but because they didn't sleep.

Students traded adderall before exams constantly.  Pissed the hell out of me and the others that got by on good old fashioned hard work.

/Those were the same type of students that would cut pages out of books in the library to keep others from studying for exams, not exactly the type I'm envious of.

I understand it's harder to focus without the drugs, but it's not like they make you smarter or something. It's still your brain doing the work.

You've never taken them.

There's a reason stimulants are banned in sports. They work. Two guys, all things being equal, one given some smack will beat the other in any contest.


You don't know me, brah.

Ok. Next time I take a test, I'll skip on studying and just take some stimulants.
 
2014-04-30 11:24:07 PM
Screw the surveys. Hourly samples of the sewage from the dorms and campus buildings to micro analyze for relevant compounds. Do this for two years to get a good sample size.
 
2014-04-30 11:26:40 PM

Ral: doglover: Likwit: PhDemented: Hell, a good chunk of kids in my class were using/abusing the heck out of adderall/ritalin/amphetamine back in the late 90's early 00's.  Was a well respected engineering dept in a (non-ivy league) boston school.  Specially the pre-med kids.  They weren't getting 3.8s because they were smarter, but because they didn't sleep.

Students traded adderall before exams constantly.  Pissed the hell out of me and the others that got by on good old fashioned hard work.

/Those were the same type of students that would cut pages out of books in the library to keep others from studying for exams, not exactly the type I'm envious of.

I understand it's harder to focus without the drugs, but it's not like they make you smarter or something. It's still your brain doing the work.

You've never taken them.

There's a reason stimulants are banned in sports. They work. Two guys, all things being equal, one given some smack will beat the other in any contest.

The drugs don't magically make you know information that you haven't learned.  I don't see how it can be considered cheating in something that involves using your brain to think and remember things (as opposed to a physical sport, where obviously a drug stimulant can be useful in enhancing performance).

Stupid, sure.  But not cheating if you ask me.



Not to mention there's not really any competition here, except maybe with yourself.

I think use is increasingly common because of various distractions like twitter, facebook, being easily accessible through a phone.  These make it harder to concentrate on one thing for long periods.  It would be interesting to study how effective people are by removing those distractions vs. taking adderall.

I have a friend who used adderall all through grad school and now in his work.  It's kind of ugly I think, the side effects are pretty noticable - weird tics, fast loud talking, intense manner etc.  Not to mention expensive.
 
2014-04-30 11:32:02 PM

The One True TheDavid: Don't most Ivy Leaguers get inflated grades anyway? When all you need to to to get an A is show up and be conscious why waste good drugs? Except maybe if the course really is so easy and the teacher so boring that you'd be asleep without help.

Some Harvard undergrad bragging about good grades won't impress me. Doing well in small state schools or better yet a small private college like Wooster ain't so easy.


Truth. Went to Wooster for undergrad. Did semester at a DC school for "off campus study", was not impressed. The Ivy's are overrated for undergrad studies IMHO
 
2014-04-30 11:36:11 PM

TheDirtyNacho: Not to mention there's not really any competition here, except maybe with yourself.


Of course there is. Competition for good schools, competition for good jobs, competition for research grants, you name it.

This could lead to a real problem in good schools and possibly in the entire academic field. Just like in sports, it could become impossible to compete if you don't juice. If it continues at this level, it's going to lead to an ugly confrontation in academia. While nobody wants to be pee-tested, there are a lot of people who won't take this stuff, but also won't accept being washed out of our careers because other people do.
 
2014-04-30 11:37:03 PM

wildcardjack: Screw the surveys. Hourly samples of the sewage from the dorms and campus buildings to micro analyze for relevant compounds. Do this for two years to get a good sample size.


Filter and purify it for a good time. It's got to be worth trying if birth control in water turns boy frogs into girls.
 
2014-04-30 11:46:33 PM
This is not surprising at all. Top of the line schools and competitive jobs tend to attract wealthier and better educated people. Those people also happen to have better access to health and medical care, and tend to be more knowledgeable in what they can ask their doctors for and how to ask for it. There are a myriad drugs at your disposal, within reason, and all you have to do is have the insurance and financial means, and they're as good as yours. This applies to all kinds of stimulants, performance enhancing drugs, erectile dysfunction drugs, cosmetic drugs, hair loss pills, etc.

While it's clear and obvious that anti-depressants and stimulants are surprisingly common, there's a whole other class or branch of drugs called nootropics that are probably due for a surge at any time now. These are sometimes called smart drugs, there are tons of different kinds and different effects, but they all have the possibility of giving students and professionals a leg up in life. I'm honestly surprised they aren't more popular, but perhaps doctors and patients are less familiar with them and doctors are more hesitant to prescribe them.

If you could take a pill and remember every word your professor said in a lecture, effortlessly pump out a detailed paper, or crunch through an entire project in a week, that's a major advantage. And it's an advantage that many, many people would gladly pay for if it can help them get better grades and higher income.
 
2014-04-30 11:48:39 PM

Ral: doglover: Likwit: PhDemented: Hell, a good chunk of kids in my class were using/abusing the heck out of adderall/ritalin/amphetamine back in the late 90's early 00's.  Was a well respected engineering dept in a (non-ivy league) boston school.  Specially the pre-med kids.  They weren't getting 3.8s because they were smarter, but because they didn't sleep.

Students traded adderall before exams constantly.  Pissed the hell out of me and the others that got by on good old fashioned hard work.

/Those were the same type of students that would cut pages out of books in the library to keep others from studying for exams, not exactly the type I'm envious of.

I understand it's harder to focus without the drugs, but it's not like they make you smarter or something. It's still your brain doing the work.

You've never taken them.

There's a reason stimulants are banned in sports. They work. Two guys, all things being equal, one given some smack will beat the other in any contest.

The drugs don't magically make you know information that you haven't learned.  I don't see how it can be considered cheating in something that involves using your brain to think and remember things (as opposed to a physical sport, where obviously a drug stimulant can be useful in enhancing performance).

Stupid, sure.  But not cheating if you ask me.


But being dead tired, or next to a dozen dump trucks as they idle while some jackhammer guys tear up the street, can make you miss questions you know because you're distracted. Stimulants can keep your head in the game when you might otherwise be unable to focus on your own.

And it's not like they can make you magically in shape either. Chris Farley and Lance Armstrong both took 'em, but Farley would never have won a bicycle race.
 
2014-05-01 12:14:13 AM
Why all these comments about this and that? The simple truth is that the ivys, for the regular degrees, are just holding colleges for people that have already been set up for success. The wheels are already in motions. You are not a 1%er so no matter what you do for the most part you will never be allowed up there in the rarefied air.


Fark ought to turn off spell check to see how bad peoples spelling and grammar is.
 
2014-05-01 12:15:38 AM
I'm sure it can give you that extra boost if you're already smart but not as motivated as you could be, but I don't fark with vyvanse, etc anymore. Between all the weed we kids are smoking and how little sleep we get, taking amphetamines is a sure fire path to a breakdown or just feeling really weird all the time, man.
 
2014-05-01 12:26:16 AM
MrHappyRotter:
While it's clear and obvious that anti-depressants and stimulants are surprisingly common, there's a whole other class or branch of drugs called nootropics that are probably due for a surge at any time now. These are sometimes called smart drugs, there are tons of different kinds and different effects, but they all have the possibility of giving students and professionals a leg up in life. I'm honestly surprised they aren't more popular, but perhaps doctors and patients are less familiar with them and doctors are more hesitant to prescribe them.

If you could take a pill and remember every word your professor said in a lecture, effortlessly pump out a detailed paper, or crunch through an entire project in a week, that's a major advantage. And it's an advantage that many, many people would gladly pay for if it can help them get better grades and higher income.


Most of nootropics aren't patented by the drug companies and thus there's no profit motive to push prescribe them.  I've been taking nootropics (Piracetam and others in the racetam family) for about a year and a half now and they're awesome. Non-addictive, no side effects, and no known toxicity levels.
 
2014-05-01 12:36:59 AM
lol, wut?
 
2014-05-01 12:43:42 AM

mrlewish: Fark ought to turn off spell check to see how bad peoples spelling and grammar is.


Fight the power.
 
2014-05-01 08:08:52 AM
Beer was the best drug in college.
 
2014-05-01 02:44:26 PM
Don't brah me if you don't gnaw me.
 
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