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2014-04-30 05:31:17 PM  
in florida i once saw a school zone of 45 miles per hour... sounds like a good track team is there.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2014-04-30 06:08:17 PM  
The speed limit in front of the school is 35 miles per hour. School officials said the City of Orlando doesn't consider the area a school zone because there are three traffic lights within yards of each other that should slow down drivers on Robinson.

The traffic lights should slow the drivers down to zero when kids are crossing. Otherwise, who cares?

Rhetorical question. The answer is dumb parents. I saw a school zone created where all the kids crossed with a crossing guard at a traffic signal. The city traffic engineer said there was no reason for a school zone. But the aldermen love signs, and voted for signs.
 
2014-04-30 07:31:58 PM  
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2014-04-30 07:34:12 PM  
Philip Partridge drops off and picks up his son at Howard Middle School every day and worries about the safety of his child and other students.

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Make him ride the bus.
 
2014-04-30 08:22:37 PM  
there are three traffic lights within yards of each other that should slow down drivers

Sometimes drivers will speed up when three traffic lights are that close together.  It's like speed bumps; sure folks go slow on the bumps, but fast between bumps.

My solution: remove two of the lights.
 
2014-04-30 08:42:06 PM  
I'm convinced that efficiency of business and commuter times on the road would greatly be improved if the mandatory slow down for school zones and stopping for school buses was eliminated. That's a study I would be interested in.

Nobody stops when the city bus lets people off, and nobody slows down when those kids are walking down the street on the weekends.
 
2014-04-30 09:05:45 PM  
People are tired, eating a donut with one hand, texting with the other and steering with their knees while balancing a cup of hot coffee between them and these idiot parents want people to be distracted reading signs. That would be dangerous.
 
2014-04-30 09:08:43 PM  
Middle school is like 12-14 years old. If they can't figure out to use crosswalks and not walk in the street so they don't get hit by cars, then it's the parents fault for not teaching them.  I'm tired of reading about a small vocal minority always getting their way.  Pretty sure Fark has made me hate people more and more every year that goes by.
 
2014-04-30 09:13:33 PM  
Let the market decide.
 
2014-04-30 09:28:49 PM  
Or they could build schools on major roadways...
 
2014-04-30 09:42:20 PM  

oukewldave: Middle school is like 12-14 years old. If they can't figure out to use crosswalks and not walk in the street so they don't get hit by cars, then it's the parents fault for not teaching them.  I'm tired of reading about a small vocal minority always getting their way.  Pretty sure Fark has made me hate people more and more every year that goes by.


Agreed. My home state mandates 20MPH for all schools, including high schools. For the older kids, it seems silly. If you're old enough to drive, or are close to it, you should be old enough to use a crosswalk.
 
2014-04-30 09:48:21 PM  
My daughter picked up two speeding tickets in one year in a tiny school zone in Des Moines.  It's on Grand Avenue in front of St. Andrews Academy.  Grand is a busy four lane street and the zone is at the bottom of two hills, one to the east, one to the west of it.  You crest the hill to the east and it's suddenly right on you, dropping from 35 to 25 in the space of less than a block and at the bottom of  a hill.  The hill to the west is not as steep but curves into it suddenly.  Cops hang out there on a regular basis.  You can almost hear the cash registers ringing.
 
2014-04-30 10:10:47 PM  
I drive on this street all of the time - it's about a mile and a half away from my house. I've never seen anyone manage to "far exceed" the speed limit during school hours - there's too much traffic going too slowly. Traffic is fast outside of school hours some times, but it's really pretty tame for Orlando.

The "sign that's just about it" is actually a dedicated traffic light at the crosswalk.
 
2014-04-30 10:37:30 PM  
Know what makes school zones more dangerous? All the extra traffic from overprotective parents picking up and dropping off.
 
2014-04-30 11:36:19 PM  

a particular individual: Let the market decide.


So about four dollars a pound?
 
2014-04-30 11:40:45 PM  

Aulus: My daughter picked up two speeding tickets in one year in a tiny school zone in Des Moines.  It's on Grand Avenue in front of St. Andrews Academy.  Grand is a busy four lane street and the zone is at the bottom of two hills, one to the east, one to the west of it.  You crest the hill to the east and it's suddenly right on you, dropping from 35 to 25 in the space of less than a block and at the bottom of  a hill.  The hill to the west is not as steep but curves into it suddenly.  Cops hang out there on a regular basis.  You can almost hear the cash registers ringing.


Check her breaks.  Sometimes going slow at the bottom of the hill is important.  Maybe your daughter should learn not to go so fast through speed traps.  Fool me once ....
 
2014-04-30 11:46:09 PM  

Dinjiin: oukewldave: Middle school is like 12-14 years old. If they can't figure out to use crosswalks and not walk in the street so they don't get hit by cars, then it's the parents fault for not teaching them.  I'm tired of reading about a small vocal minority always getting their way.  Pretty sure Fark has made me hate people more and more every year that goes by.

Agreed. My home state mandates 20MPH for all schools, including high schools. For the older kids, it seems silly. If you're old enough to drive, or are close to it, you should be old enough to use a crosswalk.


I live near an elementary school, probably the most valid school type for having really low speed limits, and it still feels absurd.  When school opens and closes, they also have crossing guards (and a hundred parents who for some reason think their snowflakes are too good for the bus, resulting in even slower traffic).

I crossed the highway with my brother starting in first grade (he was a third grader).  At least, theoretically that's what my parents meant to happen.  In reality, he ran ahead and left me to my own devices.  Lots of other kids walked in and crossed the same highway.  I can't think of a single injury due kids to crossing the road to get to school the entire time I lived there.
 
2014-04-30 11:52:48 PM  

a particular individual: Let the market decide.


Given the market (ie, most tax dollars and votes) comes from mouth-breathing breeders and old people, I'd say politicians have already made it a foregone conclusion.

Don't see what the big deal is really. You wanna speed, move one street over. Ta-da.
 
2014-05-01 12:23:17 AM  
School zones for high schools are the stupidest thing ever.

Back when I was in high school, they added one in front of my school.  It was the "when flashing" kind, though, which meant it was almost never applicable.  I think the lights lasted about three days before getting smashed out.
 
2014-05-01 12:38:27 AM  

InterruptingQuirk: I'm convinced that efficiency of business and commuter times on the road would greatly be improved if the mandatory slow down for school zones and stopping for school buses was eliminated. That's a study I would be interested in.

Nobody stops when the city bus lets people off, and nobody slows down when those kids are walking down the street on the weekends.


Except many bus stops *cross* students to the other side of the street, thus necessitating traffic stopping for those crossing.

Also, kids are stupid and if their homework suddenly blows away they will reflexively take off running after it, or their basketball or whatever... seen it happen plenty of times. It's good that traffic is stopped until the kids are unloaded and headed away from the street.

 School bus stops are pretty damn consistent for the most part, leave five minutes earlier or later and you won't have to deal with the school bus.
 
2014-05-01 12:38:31 AM  
Under the "you may like" section:

Deputies: Woman raped boy in gas station restroom

WTF???

How the heck is that even remotely related
 
2014-05-01 12:42:03 AM  

Aestatis: Dinjiin: oukewldave: Middle school is like 12-14 years old. If they can't figure out to use crosswalks and not walk in the street so they don't get hit by cars, then it's the parents fault for not teaching them.  I'm tired of reading about a small vocal minority always getting their way.  Pretty sure Fark has made me hate people more and more every year that goes by.

Agreed. My home state mandates 20MPH for all schools, including high schools. For the older kids, it seems silly. If you're old enough to drive, or are close to it, you should be old enough to use a crosswalk.

I live near an elementary school, probably the most valid school type for having really low speed limits, and it still feels absurd.  When school opens and closes, they also have crossing guards (and a hundred parents who for some reason think their snowflakes are too good for the bus, resulting in even slower traffic).

I crossed the highway with my brother starting in first grade (he was a third grader).  At least, theoretically that's what my parents meant to happen.  In reality, he ran ahead and left me to my own devices.  Lots of other kids walked in and crossed the same highway.  I can't think of a single injury due kids to crossing the road to get to school the entire time I lived there.


In most places, the rate of traffic on a street over the last couple decades has changed significantly...

/used to walk down a county highway to visit my cousin when I was in 1st grade
//don't do it now even as an adult
 
2014-05-01 12:46:50 AM  

veale728: Under the "you may like" section:

Deputies: Woman raped boy in gas station restroom

WTF???

How the heck is that even remotely related


Who says it's related?  Maybe the site just knows what you like.
 
2014-05-01 12:57:52 AM  
The town should virtualize the entire process and upload it to the cloud
 
2014-05-01 02:07:58 AM  

Emposter: veale728: Under the "you may like" section:

Deputies: Woman raped boy in gas station restroom

WTF???

How the heck is that even remotely related

Who says it's related?  Maybe the site just knows what you like.


Yup. It's not showing for me.
 
2014-05-01 03:19:21 AM  
Well I never had that exact issue... but we did have this biatchy neighbor who got the town to designate the street in front my family's home a handy-caped parking only zone.  In the two years we lived there she called the cops on us five times for parking in that zone while we were unloading stuff from the family car.
 
2014-05-01 08:15:41 AM  

cuzsis: InterruptingQuirk: I'm convinced that efficiency of business and commuter times on the road would greatly be improved if the mandatory slow down for school zones and stopping for school buses was eliminated. That's a study I would be interested in.

Nobody stops when the city bus lets people off, and nobody slows down when those kids are walking down the street on the weekends.

Except many bus stops *cross* students to the other side of the street, thus necessitating traffic stopping for those crossing.

Also, kids are stupid and if their homework suddenly blows away they will reflexively take off running after it, or their basketball or whatever... seen it happen plenty of times. It's good that traffic is stopped until the kids are unloaded and headed away from the street.

 School bus stops are pretty damn consistent for the most part, leave five minutes earlier or later and you won't have to deal with the school bus.


That city bus takes kids to school too, and transports kids when they are just out in the world. Also, I reiterate my statement about them out and about playing on the weekends on the same streets.
 
2014-05-01 11:10:00 AM  
I get tired of school zones. Around here, the well-bred snowflakes' mommies or daddies take them to school in luxury cars. Some of the more pedestrian children must suffer the shame of riding the bus. So why do we need a school zone? One school, a private one with maybe 200 students has a school zone and it is at the end of a street nowhere near the main thoroughfare that has the zone. In all of these zones, because they are in a zone, the parents just assume they have the right of way in all cases. They are a freaking menace to public safety.
 
2014-05-01 12:59:01 PM  
Hmm, came here thinking that the city would agree as long as "school" was in quotes. *shrug*

/DNRTFA
 
2014-05-01 03:41:00 PM  

JackieRabbit: I get tired of school zones.


Same here, for a number of reasons.

One complaint is that schools, especially elementary schools, can be built adjacent to major thoroughfares.  Such locations are inherently more dangerous to young pedestrians.  They also have a greater impact on traffic flow through the area.  Elementary schools should be built deep within residential areas, not on major arterial streets.

Another complaint is regarding times that reduced speeds are in effect.  Some zones only enforce a lower speed when children are arriving and departing school.  Others are during the entire school day.  Some take after school activities into account.  Some are always in effect.  As you move to the latter policies, it seems as if legitimate safety concerns start to be overtaken by paranoia and ticket revenue generation.

The same can be said about speeds themselves.  I've seen speeds as low as 15MPH for elementary schools and as low as 20MPH for high schools.  Do speeds below 25MPH really improve safety?  Or should we instead focus on crossing guards, illuminated crosswalks, wider sidewalks and physical barriers (like curbs, pylons and fences) between streets and walkways/playgrounds?  Do those speeds make sense outside of peak pedestrian times?

Unfortunately, some places have drunk from the "think of the children" punch bowl, so changing such rules are difficult.  Which is a shame, because I actually think some of these rules are counterproductive, reducing the fear that children should have of roads.  So we're all being inconvenienced for nothing.
 
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