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(CBS New York)   And the Long Island teen who was accepted at all 8 eight Ivy League schools finally picks _______   (newyork.cbslocal.com) divider line 78
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2014-04-30 07:02:51 PM  
Screw him.
 
2014-04-30 07:17:17 PM  
Iona? Wow, bold choice.
 
2014-04-30 07:34:59 PM  
DeVry?
 
2014-04-30 07:36:41 PM  
... why is this news?

The schools are all basically pulling from the same set of applicants and looking for the same things.  I imagine that they all accept the same student 30 or 40 times a year, since there's no reason not to apply to all of 'em if you're applying to one, and after that it's mostly a matter of luck.
 
2014-04-30 07:38:09 PM  
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He's part of that Yale thing.

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...Yale thing?

Likes to do a lot of coke and was a closet homosexual, you know, THAT Yale thing...
 
2014-04-30 07:38:21 PM  
"A wrong decision can be the beginning or end of a lifestyle. In the seventh grade, I nearly ended my music career by opting to select a simple course - Music In Our Lives - that met the state music requirement. But this decision would have left me empty."
"I am now a violinist who has joyously played for nine years. I also now take music in my life. It is the first self-taught and the longest course I have ever taken."
"There are millions of combinations of key signatures, chords, melodies and rhythms in the world of music that wait to become attached to a sheet of staff lines and spaces. As I began to explore a minute fraction of these combinations from the third grade onwards, my mind began to formulate roundabout methods to solve any mathematical problem, address any literature prompt, and discover any exit in an undesirable situation."
"Playing the works of different composers, such as Kol Nidrei by Max Bruch and Corolan Overture by Ludwig van Beethoven, expands my diverse musical vocabulary, my breadth of techniques and my ability to practice in order to succeed in solo performances."
"Whenever I perform, whether as a bassist in Men's Doo Wop Group or as a violinist in a Chamber Ensemble, I become immersed in the conversations between performers and the audience. As I become lost in these conversations, I create blissful memories in which I am truly part of my community's culture and eventually its history."
"The most important task of a leader is to create harmony between each member of the group, which reveals the group's maximum potential. With improvement and balance comes success and music taught me all of these virtues."



All of these tell me nothing about this person, other than he's full of shiat. Should have gone to Harvard for Law.
 
2014-04-30 07:40:23 PM  
Pronounced in Wisconsin: Long Island tee
 
2014-04-30 07:42:59 PM  
"Debt".

He picks soul-crushing debt. Next question.
 
2014-04-30 07:44:58 PM  
This teen should instead take a year off and hitchhike across Europe.
 
2014-04-30 07:48:35 PM  
Oh wow, being accepted to all 8 schools is pretty impressive. Even the best students would have a hard time achieving that goal. But this kid must be very exceptional, must have done amazing things in his life and high school, must have....:checks picture:...ooohhh.....well he did get high marks....:reads he was on late night with david letterman:.......hmmm. Well he knows how to work the system, pretty important life lesson.
 
2014-04-30 07:51:43 PM  
Of course it's an affirmative action recipient. If it was a white kid I might be impressed.
 
2014-04-30 07:53:53 PM  
Greendale Community College?
 
2014-04-30 07:55:31 PM  
"The visit days last week was incredible," Enin told reporters, including WCBS 880′s Sophia Hall.

So, you don't even have to be "well-spoken" to get an affirmative action acceptance to the Ivy League now?
 
2014-04-30 08:04:05 PM  
I know this!  It must be  Hofstra. Obvious really.
 
2014-04-30 08:04:26 PM  
Whereever he goes he will drop out. And not in a good 'I'm too smart for school' way.

Some folks peak too soon.
 
2014-04-30 08:05:37 PM  
All 8 eight, huh?
 
2014-04-30 08:07:18 PM  
MIT?!

Does he understand that pile of crap isn't even Ivy League? Why do people always confuse Cambridge Vocational Technical Community College with a real school?
 
2014-04-30 08:08:08 PM  
Looks like no one from the English department read the essay.
 
2014-04-30 08:09:31 PM  
Should have picked up a hooker and settled for University of Illinois.
 
2014-04-30 08:10:54 PM  

wjllope: I know this!  It must be  Hofstra. Obvious really.


Did they ever find Hofstra's body?
 
2014-04-30 08:14:01 PM  
"The visit DAYS last week WAS incredible"

Where he obviously won't be studying English.
 
2014-04-30 08:17:01 PM  
Haha, you guys.  I went to a middling state college and am not nearly as bitter as the rest of you farkers.
Good for the kid.  I hope he does something meaningful when he graduates, makes the world a better place.  You know, idealistic shiat.
 
2014-04-30 08:19:20 PM  
i created a google news alert for this guy so in a few years when he is tossed out of school or gets a job as the top graduate from ivy league school.. i can see how his story turns out
 
2014-04-30 08:30:54 PM  

Jim_Callahan: ... why is this news?


I assume nothing else is happening anywhere in the world.
 
2014-04-30 08:40:09 PM  

ChubbyTiger: Looks like no one from the English department read the essay.


I have a feeling English is not his first language. That being said, I'd expect someone of his intelligence not to make simple mistakes like that.
 
2014-04-30 08:41:57 PM  
Sideshow Bob would approve.
 
2014-04-30 08:43:26 PM  
www.skinit.com
 
2014-04-30 08:46:47 PM  
MIT?
 
2014-04-30 08:50:19 PM  
LMAO FTA "Brown, Columbia, Cornell, Dartmouth, Harvard, Princeton, Yale and the University of Pennsylvania all said yes. He was also accepted by SUNY Binghamton, SUNY Geneseo, Stony Brook University, and Duke. "
 
2014-04-30 08:54:05 PM  
Wow. The hate for this kid is incredibly........revealing.
 
2014-04-30 09:07:15 PM  

Cymbal: I have a feeling English is not his first language. That being said, I'd expect someone of his intelligence not to make simple mistakes like that.


I think he was born in America, but his 'rents are from Ghana.
 
2014-04-30 09:13:33 PM  
"Oh no! No, no-no-no-no! My grandfather would be spinning in his urn, if he knew that I was out here with a Dartmouth boy. You take that shirt off right now or I will take it off for you, sir. I am... totally and completely kidding! Andrew Bernard, Cornell '95."
 
2014-04-30 09:15:59 PM  
I care.
 
2014-04-30 09:22:50 PM  

jso2897: Wow. The hate for this kid is incredibly........revealing.


It is. And it's sad. He overachieves and people won't give him his due, chalking it up to affirmative action. If the kid underachieved, these same jackasses would be finger wagging about how he (and everyone else who looks like him) can't get his (their) shiat together.
 
2014-04-30 09:33:45 PM  

Sirsky: It is. And it's sad. He overachieves and people won't give him his due, chalking it up to affirmative action


But why is he due anything?  I mean, good for him, but he was given his due by being accepted. Making it a news story is just attention whoring.
 
2014-04-30 09:39:27 PM  

jso2897: Wow. The hate for this kid is incredibly........revealing.


No shiat. He's one hell of a lot more mature and accomplished than I was at his age. Hell, he's more accomplished than I am now. I for one salute any son of first generation immigrants who has done as well as he has.
 
2014-04-30 09:41:26 PM  
"Kwasi". That's sort of a good name.
 
2014-04-30 10:00:42 PM  
North Eastern Oklahoma State A & M Junior College?

/Go Fighting Norsemen
 
2014-04-30 10:01:30 PM  

JohnBigBootay: jso2897: Wow. The hate for this kid is incredibly........revealing.

No shiat. He's one hell of a lot more mature and accomplished than I was at his age. Hell, he's more accomplished than I am now. I for one salute any son of first generation immigrants who has done as well as he has.


Same here.  That's what worries me.  Some of those folks succeed because they are winners and just better than the rest of us.  But many of them crash and burn when they get to college.

/hope that's not what happens but it's definitely a thing.
 
2014-04-30 10:05:59 PM  

NeoCortex42: Sirsky: It is. And it's sad. He overachieves and people won't give him his due, chalking it up to affirmative action

But why is he due anything?  I mean, good for him, but he was given his due by being accepted. Making it a news story is just attention whoring.


I wasn't aware he wrote these stories himself, or invited himself to be interviewed by the news. Your beef is with the media, not with him, and if you feel the need to diminish his accomplishments to make that point, then I have to question whether your beef really is with the media or if it's rooted in something else.
 
2014-04-30 10:19:45 PM  

Sirsky: NeoCortex42: Sirsky: It is. And it's sad. He overachieves and people won't give him his due, chalking it up to affirmative action

But why is he due anything?  I mean, good for him, but he was given his due by being accepted. Making it a news story is just attention whoring.

I wasn't aware he wrote these stories himself, or invited himself to be interviewed by the news. Your beef is with the media, not with him, and if you feel the need to diminish his accomplishments to make that point, then I have to question whether your beef really is with the media or if it's rooted in something else.


My only beef is with the coverage. I have nothing against him. Like I said, good for him. I just don't think he is due any special recognition like he's getting. It says in the article that he was 11th in his class. Why no coverage of any of the top ten?  He got into college. Great.
 
2014-04-30 10:21:23 PM  
Well, 8 out of 9. Miskatonic said no because his psyche evaluation said he might be prone to meddling in realms Man was never meant to understand.
 
2014-04-30 10:35:49 PM  
Why didn't he have a press conference with an hour going over every detail and possibility before choosing like LeBron.
 
2014-04-30 10:48:52 PM  

NeoCortex42: Sirsky: NeoCortex42: Sirsky: It is. And it's sad. He overachieves and people won't give him his due, chalking it up to affirmative action

But why is he due anything?  I mean, good for him, but he was given his due by being accepted. Making it a news story is just attention whoring.

I wasn't aware he wrote these stories himself, or invited himself to be interviewed by the news. Your beef is with the media, not with him, and if you feel the need to diminish his accomplishments to make that point, then I have to question whether your beef really is with the media or if it's rooted in something else.

My only beef is with the coverage. I have nothing against him. Like I said, good for him. I just don't think he is due any special recognition like he's getting. It says in the article that he was 11th in his class. Why no coverage of any of the top ten?  He got into college. Great.


There's a few reasons why this piques a lot of people's ire.

Both his parents are medical professionals. He's not hurting for money. He has high, but not absurdly high test scores (98th percentile is good by definition, but that means that there's also another 1-2% of people that ALSO have this score.) His essay reads like the purple prosiest pile of buzzwords written. Like every college essay. Essentially, he's a great student. But the only reason this is being covered is because he's black. There's probably another 500-1000 students in the country (that are applying this year) that have his qualities that could have had their pick of schools. This isn't a rags to riches story and it's irritating to those of us who did accomplish not to be recognized because we happened to be white or asian. He didn't come out of the bowels of detroit from a crack riddled neighborhood. He's the son of two medical professionals who did well at school. As the child of two professionals who did as well as he did, I never got into the paper.

I would also like to note that the ability to apply to every Ivy has something to do with skin color. When I applied to Cornell's Agriculture program, the cost was around 100 dollars (not counting test score sending, transcript sending, etc), unless you were female, native american, could demonstrate financial hardship (read: over 25k in the hole), or were of a set of ethnic characteristics.

All that being said, maybe he'll be a decent role model to snap a few minds out of a self defeating ghetto culture mindset.
 
2014-04-30 10:55:10 PM  

Kinek: NeoCortex42: Sirsky: NeoCortex42: Sirsky: It is. And it's sad. He overachieves and people won't give him his due, chalking it up to affirmative action

But why is he due anything?  I mean, good for him, but he was given his due by being accepted. Making it a news story is just attention whoring.

I wasn't aware he wrote these stories himself, or invited himself to be interviewed by the news. Your beef is with the media, not with him, and if you feel the need to diminish his accomplishments to make that point, then I have to question whether your beef really is with the media or if it's rooted in something else.

My only beef is with the coverage. I have nothing against him. Like I said, good for him. I just don't think he is due any special recognition like he's getting. It says in the article that he was 11th in his class. Why no coverage of any of the top ten?  He got into college. Great.

There's a few reasons why this piques a lot of people's ire.

Both his parents are medical professionals. He's not hurting for money. He has high, but not absurdly high test scores (98th percentile is good by definition, but that means that there's also another 1-2% of people that ALSO have this score.) His essay reads like the purple prosiest pile of buzzwords written. Like every college essay. Essentially, he's a great student. But the only reason this is being covered is because he's black. There's probably another 500-1000 students in the country (that are applying this year) that have his qualities that could have had their pick of schools. This isn't a rags to riches story and it's irritating to those of us who did accomplish not to be recognized because we happened to be white or asian. He didn't come out of the bowels of detroit from a crack riddled neighborhood. He's the son of two medical professionals who did well at school. As the child of two professionals who did as well as he did, I never got into the paper.

I would also like to note that the ability to apply to ...


You said that both his parents are medical professionals and that they're not hurting for money, then implied the only reason he could afford to apply to all the schools is because he's black and they waived the fees. Which is it?

And basically your whole point is, "But what about ME?" It's not about you. It's about him. Suck it up and move on.
 
2014-04-30 10:57:26 PM  

NeoCortex42: Sirsky: NeoCortex42: Sirsky: It is. And it's sad. He overachieves and people won't give him his due, chalking it up to affirmative action

But why is he due anything?  I mean, good for him, but he was given his due by being accepted. Making it a news story is just attention whoring.

I wasn't aware he wrote these stories himself, or invited himself to be interviewed by the news. Your beef is with the media, not with him, and if you feel the need to diminish his accomplishments to make that point, then I have to question whether your beef really is with the media or if it's rooted in something else.

My only beef is with the coverage. I have nothing against him. Like I said, good for him. I just don't think he is due any special recognition like he's getting. It says in the article that he was 11th in his class. Why no coverage of any of the top ten?  He got into college. Great.


Did the rest of the top ten get accepted to every Ivy League school? Maybe that's why they didn't get coverage.

Seriously, can you not understand why the son of first generation immigrants being accepted to every Ivy League school might make for a good human interest story?
 
2014-04-30 11:03:03 PM  

Sirsky: You said that both his parents are medical professionals and that they're not hurting for money, then implied the only reason he could afford to apply to all the schools is because he's black and they waived the fees. Which is it?


If the cost to apply to a school is 0 dollars because you belong to a minority set, then you can apply to as many schools as you care to fill out the applications for. Even not hurting for money only gets you so far. Which is what happened here. It's even stated in the article. Principal says that not many people apply to all the schools.

Sirsky: And basically your whole point is, "But what about ME?" It's not about you. It's about him. Suck it up and move on.


No, it's about recognizing accomplishment, period. This kid accomplished the same as about 1000 other kids in the US. But CNN remarks about it because he's black, and obviously that means he worked through some kind of disadvantage. Even though he really doesn't have any. It's just assumed that he does because his parents are from Ghana. It's demeaning to him, and insulting to the 999.
 
2014-04-30 11:15:29 PM  

AliceBToklasLives: JohnBigBootay: jso2897: Wow. The hate for this kid is incredibly........revealing.

No shiat. He's one hell of a lot more mature and accomplished than I was at his age. Hell, he's more accomplished than I am now. I for one salute any son of first generation immigrants who has done as well as he has.

Same here.  That's what worries me.  Some of those folks succeed because they are winners and just better than the rest of us.  But many of them crash and burn when they get to college.

/hope that's not what happens but it's definitely a thing.


I'm not sure what about the guy makes you think that.

Highly selective schools are very careful in their admissions decisions.  If the Ivies had any doubt whatever about his abilities, he wouldn't have been admitted.
 
2014-04-30 11:17:43 PM  

Kinek: If the cost to apply to a school is 0 dollars because you belong to a minority set, then you can apply to as many schools as you care to fill out the applications for. Even not hurting for money only gets you so far. Which is what happened here. It's even stated in the article. Principal says that not many people apply to all the schools.


Please direct me to the part of the article that says his application fees were waived. (As if that's even relevant.)

Kinek: No, it's about recognizing accomplishment, period. This kid accomplished the same as about 1000 other kids in the US. But CNN remarks about it because he's black, and obviously that means he worked through some kind of disadvantage. Even though he really doesn't have any. It's just assumed that he does because his parents are from Ghana. It's demeaning to him, and insulting to the 999.


Surely if it's so common, you can point me to a source on that "1000 other kids" figure. Or is it just that since a black kid did it, it must just be that common, right? Considering that further up you were talking about how he might "snap a few minds out of a self defeating ghetto culture mindset" you've got quite a bit of nerve acting insulted on anyone's behalf, especially since you've made it a point that this particular kid was well off (and as such likely never sniffed a ghetto or any of this self-defeating culture that I'm sure you know so much about).

Is there something else you know about the Negro that you'd like to share?
 
2014-04-30 11:18:34 PM  

eraser8: I'm not sure what about the guy makes you think that.


I'll give you one guess...
 
2014-04-30 11:22:14 PM  

eraser8: AliceBToklasLives: JohnBigBootay: jso2897: Wow. The hate for this kid is incredibly........revealing.

No shiat. He's one hell of a lot more mature and accomplished than I was at his age. Hell, he's more accomplished than I am now. I for one salute any son of first generation immigrants who has done as well as he has.

Same here.  That's what worries me.  Some of those folks succeed because they are winners and just better than the rest of us.  But many of them crash and burn when they get to college.

/hope that's not what happens but it's definitely a thing.

I'm not sure what about the guy makes you think that.

Highly selective schools are very careful in their admissions decisions.  If the Ivies had any doubt whatever about his abilities, he wouldn't have been admitted.


I'm sure they have no doubt about his abiliies and neither do I. But how will he react to not being #1 - for the first time in his life? Some deal with it just fine, one is #1, and some fall apart.

In other words, having no red flags is itself a red flag. Healthy teenagers fark up and they fark up quite a bit.
 
2014-04-30 11:26:49 PM  

AliceBToklasLives: I'm sure they have no doubt about his abiliies and neither do I. But how will he react to not being #1 - for the first time in his life? Some deal with it just fine, one is #1, and some fall apart.

In other words, having no red flags is itself a red flag. Healthy teenagers fark up and they fark up quite a bit.


He was #11 in his class, so...
 
2014-04-30 11:29:40 PM  
You think the admissions officer from Cornell thought they were in the running? I'll bet he/she did.
 
2014-04-30 11:29:59 PM  

Sirsky: Surely if it's so common, you can point me to a source on that "1000 other kids" figure. Or is it just that since a black kid did it, it must just be that common, right? Considering that further up you were talking about how he might "snap a few minds out of a self defeating ghetto culture mindset" you've got quite a bit of nerve acting insulted on anyone's behalf, especially since you've made it a point that this particular kid was well off (and as such likely never sniffed a ghetto or any of this self-defeating culture that I'm sure you know so much about).

Is there something else you know about the Negro that you'd like to share?


Lets do the math.

Three million students who take the SAT test each year.

http://www.ask.com/question/how-many-students-take-the-sat-each-year

98th percentile would mean that 98% of students scored below his score. That's 60,000 students who can match his test scores. Of those, maybe half are in the top ten of their class, and the rest probably hover around that area, except for the gifted but unmotivated students. That's 30,000 who are in the top ten, and of those, if I said 20% play a sport, I'd be probably safe. So that's 6,000. Another 20% who also play an instrument? 1,200. Of course these numbers are completely pulled out of my ass. But I think 20% is modestly safe on both counts, especially considering helicopter parents.


Sirsky: Considering that further up you were talking about how he might "snap a few minds out of a self defeating ghetto culture mindset" you've got quite a bit of nerve acting insulted on anyone's behalf,


My note here is that I've lived in poor urban neighborhoods. Black kids don't have a whole lot of heroes to look up to. And a lot of scholastic achievement is frowned down upon as turning white. A crab-bucket mentality. That's what I mean.
 
2014-04-30 11:36:56 PM  

Kinek: I would also like to note that the ability to apply to every Ivy has something to do with skin color. When I applied to Cornell's Agriculture program, the cost was around 100 dollars (not counting test score sending, transcript sending, etc), unless you were female, native american, could demonstrate financial hardship (read: over 25k in the hole), or were of a set of ethnic characteristics.


If true, Cornell is really unusual.  Or, you're describing a very recent phenomenon.  None of the schools I applied to offered a blanket fee waiver for minorities or females.  In fact, after googling for the kind of fee waivers you claimed, I came up empty...at least for undergraduates.

Kinek: This kid accomplished the same as about 1000 other kids in the US.


Perhaps 1000 others kids could have done it.  But, the claim that about 1000 other kids were actually admitted to all 8 Ivies this year is just absurd on its face.
 
2014-04-30 11:40:01 PM  

Sirsky: AliceBToklasLives: I'm sure they have no doubt about his abiliies and neither do I. But how will he react to not being #1 - for the first time in his life? Some deal with it just fine, one is #1, and some fall apart.

In other words, having no red flags is itself a red flag. Healthy teenagers fark up and they fark up quite a bit.

He was #11 in his class, so...


Yeah I guess #11 is not quite #1 - and bodes well for him.

Again, I hope he does make the adjustment to college and then the adjustment to life after school - I'm certainly not rooting against him.
 
2014-04-30 11:42:59 PM  

AliceBToklasLives: I'm sure they have no doubt about his abiliies and neither do I. But how will he react to not being #1 - for the first time in his life? Some deal with it just fine, one is #1, and some fall apart.


He'll be with about 1,300 other kids who are in the same boat.  And, considering Yale graduates 96% of students in five years and 98% in six, I just don't understand the concern.
 
2014-04-30 11:53:06 PM  

eraser8: If true, Cornell is really unusual.  Or, you're describing a very recent phenomenon.  None of the schools I applied to offered a blanket fee waiver for minorities or females.  In fact, after googling for the kind of fee waivers you claimed, I came up empty...at least for undergraduates.



I did a check, and it seems that for fee waivers for undergraduates you must go through the NACA board. No idea for the requirements there. But you're right. For undergraduates there is no blanket dismissal.

This:  http://www.gradschool.cornell.edu/admissions/fees is what I remember.

So I'm wrong on that point, or at least that point does not add to the media hype.


eraser8: Perhaps 1000 others kids could have done it.  But, the claim that about 1000 other kids were actually admitted to all 8 Ivies this year is just absurd on its face.


How precisely would we know otherwise? Yes, not everybody applies to all 8 Ivies, but if the only thing standing between someone and media coverage is 500-700 bucks, I would expect there'd be achievers like this plastered over CNN every spring.
 
2014-05-01 12:16:01 AM  

Kinek: eraser8: Perhaps 1000 others kids could have done it.  But, the claim that about 1000 other kids were actually admitted to all 8 Ivies this year is just absurd on its face.


How precisely would we know otherwise? Yes, not everybody applies to all 8 Ivies, but if the only thing standing between someone and media coverage is 500-700 bucks, I would expect there'd be achievers like this plastered over CNN every spring.


First, it's unusual for anyone to apply to all 8 schools.

But, for those who do apply to all 8, we just need to look at the admissions numbers:  five Ivies have restrictive early decision, which accounts for a very large proportion of their admitted classes.  Considering each school has a total number of admits of only a few thousand, you'd basically have to have nearly the entire regular admissions pool at Penn and Columbia and Dartmouth, etc. pulling an Ivy Royal Flush to get anywhere close to 1000 students doing what this young man did.  It's just not believable.
 
2014-05-01 12:23:29 AM  

eraser8: Kinek: eraser8: Perhaps 1000 others kids could have done it.  But, the claim that about 1000 other kids were actually admitted to all 8 Ivies this year is just absurd on its face.


How precisely would we know otherwise? Yes, not everybody applies to all 8 Ivies, but if the only thing standing between someone and media coverage is 500-700 bucks, I would expect there'd be achievers like this plastered over CNN every spring.

First, it's unusual for anyone to apply to all 8 schools.

But, for those who do apply to all 8, we just need to look at the admissions numbers:  five Ivies have restrictive early decision, which accounts for a very large proportion of their admitted classes.  Considering each school has a total number of admits of only a few thousand, you'd basically have to have nearly the entire regular admissions pool at Penn and Columbia and Dartmouth, etc. pulling an Ivy Royal Flush to get anywhere close to 1000 students doing what this young man did.  It's just not believable.


You're assuming that the chances of getting into any given Ivy are uncorrelated with the chances of getting into any other Ivy. Which isn't the case. The likelihood that an applicant accepted at Columbia being equally qualified to study at Dartmouth is most likely incredibly high, compared to the numbers that apply to either school, considering their judging on many of the same standards.
 
2014-05-01 12:24:05 AM  

Kinek: their


They're
 
2014-05-01 12:54:40 AM  

Kinek: You're assuming that the chances of getting into any given Ivy are uncorrelated with the chances of getting into any other Ivy. Which isn't the case. The likelihood that an applicant accepted at Columbia being equally qualified to study at Dartmouth is most likely incredibly high, compared to the numbers that apply to either school, considering their judging on many of the same standards.


You're missing the point.

Under restrictive early decision, applicants are bound not only to enroll in the offering school, they're required to withdraw their applications from all other schools.

Let's take Dartmouth as an example.  This year, Dartmouth accepted  2,220 applicants.  469 of the admits were early decision (so, those 469 COULD NOT HAVE been accepted to all 8 Ivies).  That leaves 1,731 regular decision applicants.  Do you really believe that 60% of those kids applied to and were accepted at all 8 Ivies?  It strains credulity.

Your point that "[t]he likelihood that an applicant accepted at Columbia being equally qualified to study at Dartmouth is most likely incredibly high" is irrelevant.  "Qualified to study" doesn't translate into "being offered admission."  Highly selective schools aren't just looking at individuals...they're looking to put together classes.  And, each school has a unique way of making choices in applicant pools that almost certainly contain far more "qualified" kids than than they have places to admit.

Lots of times, these choices don't make much sense to someone looking in from the outside.  Because of all that, it's really unusual for anyone to be offered a place at all 8 Ivies.  Frankly, I don't understand why anyone would even bother applying to all 8.
 
2014-05-01 12:59:30 AM  

NeoCortex42: Sirsky: NeoCortex42: Sirsky: It is. And it's sad. He overachieves and people won't give him his due, chalking it up to affirmative action

But why is he due anything?  I mean, good for him, but he was given his due by being accepted. Making it a news story is just attention whoring.

I wasn't aware he wrote these stories himself, or invited himself to be interviewed by the news. Your beef is with the media, not with him, and if you feel the need to diminish his accomplishments to make that point, then I have to question whether your beef really is with the media or if it's rooted in something else.

My only beef is with the coverage. I have nothing against him. Like I said, good for him. I just don't think he is due any special recognition like he's getting. It says in the article that he was 11th in his class. Why no coverage of any of the top ten?  He got into college. Great.


Often, the top few are those who game the system, and plot their schedules to maximize GPA. My younger brother's HS experience provides a good example (can't use mine, went to a different school and we didn't have rankings, not that I would have been at the top of them anyway). Every single grade he got was an A, but he did a few things that made him down at #13 or whatever- he took band, which was honors rather than AP, so less credit on the weighted scale, and he took AP Physics, which was two class periods rather than one, meaning he couldn't take two AP classes in the same amount of time instead. A few other similar things too. By broadening his experiences and taking tougher courses, he cost himself any shot at being top of his class, despite the fact that he had absolutely perfect grades. Which he was fine with- the teachers and principal all knew what was up, and he got his name on a few academic trophies. Conversely, the Valedictorian came from a family where every single child was at least salutatorian- amazingly overbearing parents, and they plotted out every class tactically. She was a spectacular violinist, but never played in the school Orchestra, because that would bring down her GPA. Ect. Nice girl, but she had a spectacular amount of pressure on her, and was never given room to really develop her own personality and interests. My brother, on the other hand, was probably the best student in his high school class, and everybody knew it. Colleges knew that too, and well, he had his pick.

Class rankings are not the be all and end all, especially at a big school where the exact ranking of the top 20 or so is determined by who gamed the system and who didn't. The best student in the class isn't always the one ranked at the top.

\why yes, I do like to brag about him.
\\I'm proud, even if this is anonymous.
 
2014-05-01 01:00:40 AM  

BalugaJoe: Screw him.


You, sir, have the boorish manners of a Yalie!
 
2014-05-01 01:12:58 AM  

StopLurkListen: "Debt".  He picks soul-crushing debt. Next question.


Ivies at the level of Yale typically cover most of tuition in the form of grant-based aid, unless the parents are super-rich (and so probably won't incur debt anyway).  The schools are loaded and don't need to get their income from tuition.
 
2014-05-01 01:35:13 AM  
2.bp.blogspot.com

Only the best and brightest go to Yale.
 
2014-05-01 01:52:04 AM  
Good choice, Yale has the best music opportunities among the Ivies.
 
2014-05-01 03:00:39 AM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: "The visit days last week was incredible," Enin told reporters, including WCBS 880′s Sophia Hall.

So, you don't even have to be "well-spoken" to get an affirmative action acceptance to the Ivy League now?


This, without the affirmative action rhetoric.
 
2014-05-01 07:59:34 AM  
U of Phoenix
 
2014-05-01 08:57:13 AM  

Sirsky: Seriously, can you not understand why the son of first generation immigrants being accepted to every Ivy League school might make for a good human interest story


On its surface yes.
I think immigrant I think guy coming here and building a life from scratch struggling to give his kids the best so they can do better. When they are both doctors it is a bit of a different story. Not a dig on the parents or what they accomplished, not a dig on the kid, just saying it is dramatically different than what most people picture.

Kinek: All of these tell me nothing about this person, other than he's full of shiat. Should have gone to Harvard for Law


That is some grade A BS from a HS'er though.
 
2014-05-01 09:29:43 AM  

Kinek: Sirsky: Surely if it's so common, you can point me to a source on that "1000 other kids" figure. Or is it just that since a black kid did it, it must just be that common, right? Considering that further up you were talking about how he might "snap a few minds out of a self defeating ghetto culture mindset" you've got quite a bit of nerve acting insulted on anyone's behalf, especially since you've made it a point that this particular kid was well off (and as such likely never sniffed a ghetto or any of this self-defeating culture that I'm sure you know so much about).

Is there something else you know about the Negro that you'd like to share?

Lets do the math.

Three million students who take the SAT test each year.

http://www.ask.com/question/how-many-students-take-the-sat-each-year

98th percentile would mean that 98% of students scored below his score. That's 60,000 students who can match his test scores. Of those, maybe half are in the top ten of their class, and the rest probably hover around that area, except for the gifted but unmotivated students. That's 30,000 who are in the top ten, and of those, if I said 20% play a sport, I'd be probably safe. So that's 6,000. Another 20% who also play an instrument? 1,200. Of course these numbers are completely pulled out of my ass. But I think 20% is modestly safe on both counts, especially considering helicopter parents.


Sirsky: Considering that further up you were talking about how he might "snap a few minds out of a self defeating ghetto culture mindset" you've got quite a bit of nerve acting insulted on anyone's behalf,

My note here is that I've lived in poor urban neighborhoods. Black kids don't have a whole lot of heroes to look up to. And a lot of scholastic achievement is frowned down upon as turning white. A crab-bucket mentality. That's what I mean.


Let's just hope that this kid does go into medicine, and someday discovers a way to ease the pain from all that sand up in your vagina.
 
2014-05-01 09:45:52 AM  
An enviable dilemma comes to an end for a Long Island high school senior.

White people problems.
 
2014-05-01 10:20:29 AM  

SevenizGud: Benevolent Misanthrope: "The visit days last week was incredible," Enin told reporters, including WCBS 880′s Sophia Hall.

So, you don't even have to be "well-spoken" to get an affirmative action acceptance to the Ivy League now?

This, without the affirmative action rhetoric.


I was riffing on the usual racist non-compliment of "well-spoken", but I now see it made me look like a racist idiot.  Mea culpa.
 
2014-05-01 12:40:41 PM  
There are several things on which I can comment.

1. The positive correlation between acceptance at different top schools is less strong than people think.  If you've got a perfect application and test scores, you have, at best, a 50-50 chance at any of them.  Plenty of students with virtually the same profile as this kid get rejected from one or more of these schools, which is why so many kids apply to a bunch of them.  You're not likely to get into one, but you're likely to get into at least one if you apply to all of the Ivies and Stanford and Duke and Chicago and so on.

2. That said, being a music guy with good grades helps him a lot.  Music students at top schools usually have much lower academic qualifications than the other non-athletes.  That also sets him apart from the usual pack of qualified students.  He doesn't have to be better than the other candidates, and he's not.  He just makes for a better fit, because he fulfills a niche that all of those schools want to fill.

3. I agree with those who say that hardly anyone puts in a serious application to all eight.  I had to withdraw from Princeton and a few others because I applied early at a different school.  I also didn't bother with Columbia, Dartmouth, or Brown.

4.  The idea of getting admitted to all of the Ivy League schools is interesting, but it's a bit artificial.  If the article lists a few outside of the Ivy League, such a Duke, you can bet he was rejected at, for example, Stanford.  His rich parents apparently wanted him to maximize his chances and so sent applications everywhere, and we're reading about the shiniest pattern that showed up in the results.

Basically, the kid is good, but he's not some once-in-a-generation supergenius.  This story keeps circulating because it's a statistical anomaly.  It's something that doesn't happen often, but when it does happen, the reason for it isn't that the kid is better than his competition.  It's also not because of some lame "only because of Affirmative Action" reason, either.  It's not even really something the kid himself accomplished.  His actions and student profile were virtually identical to those of most kids applying to Ivy League schools, except for the fact that he has enough money to apply to all of them (there's a reason I didn't apply at Brown and a few others) and he didn't do Early Admission.  The anomaly comes in from the side of the admissions people, who all happened to get the same result on the coin flip that determines admission for top candidates.

Good for him, of course, but he's neither better nor worse than his classmates.
 
2014-05-01 01:35:38 PM  

ckccfa: Kinek: Sirsky: Surely if it's so common, you can point me to a source on that "1000 other kids" figure. Or is it just that since a black kid did it, it must just be that common, right? Considering that further up you were talking about how he might "snap a few minds out of a self defeating ghetto culture mindset" you've got quite a bit of nerve acting insulted on anyone's behalf, especially since you've made it a point that this particular kid was well off (and as such likely never sniffed a ghetto or any of this self-defeating culture that I'm sure you know so much about).

Is there something else you know about the Negro that you'd like to share?

Lets do the math.

Three million students who take the SAT test each year.

http://www.ask.com/question/how-many-students-take-the-sat-each-year

98th percentile would mean that 98% of students scored below his score. That's 60,000 students who can match his test scores. Of those, maybe half are in the top ten of their class, and the rest probably hover around that area, except for the gifted but unmotivated students. That's 30,000 who are in the top ten, and of those, if I said 20% play a sport, I'd be probably safe. So that's 6,000. Another 20% who also play an instrument? 1,200. Of course these numbers are completely pulled out of my ass. But I think 20% is modestly safe on both counts, especially considering helicopter parents.


Sirsky: Considering that further up you were talking about how he might "snap a few minds out of a self defeating ghetto culture mindset" you've got quite a bit of nerve acting insulted on anyone's behalf,

My note here is that I've lived in poor urban neighborhoods. Black kids don't have a whole lot of heroes to look up to. And a lot of scholastic achievement is frowned down upon as turning white. A crab-bucket mentality. That's what I mean.

Let's just hope that this kid does go into medicine, and someday discovers a way to ease the pain from all that sand up in your vagina.


Maybe he'll go into forestry and figure why you have a conifer up your ass.
 
2014-05-01 02:19:51 PM  
Did Montgomery Burns ever fund that International Airport for Yale?
 
2014-05-01 03:55:42 PM  
His nose?
 
2014-05-01 03:57:06 PM  

drjekel_mrhyde: Pronounced in Wisconsin: Long Island tee


No it isn't.

**Checks profile.**

 Yep a FIB
 
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