If you can read this, either the style sheet didn't load or you have an older browser that doesn't support style sheets. Try clearing your browser cache and refreshing the page.

(Al Jazeera)   Need more than one condom? New York thinks you're a hooker   (america.aljazeera.com) divider line 14
    More: Asinine, New York, New York City Council, Trina Vuitton, sex workers, stop and frisk  
•       •       •

3059 clicks; posted to Politics » on 30 Apr 2014 at 5:51 PM (13 weeks ago)   |  Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook   more»



Voting Results (Smartest)
View Voting Results: Smartest and Funniest

2014-04-30 08:28:29 PM
3 votes:

ZAZ: Does anybody have an informative article rather than a propaganda piece? What I get from the article seems entirely reasonable: possession of multiple condoms creates suspicion, but is not an offense.


The problem is that under current US case law, "reasonable suspicion" of criminal activity is grounds for the police to conduct what is called a "Terry Stop", where they can briefly detain you to determine your identity (and if you have any outstanding warrants) and frisk you to see if you have weapons (and if they can feel the presence of any other contraband on you), all without a warrant.   This is from the Supreme Court precedent Terry v. Ohio, 392 U.S. 1 (1968).  The intent was to let Officers stop somebody and search them for weapons if they had a reason to think they could be dangerous, on the grounds of Officer safety.

The NYPD is downright notorious for their very aggressive use of this tactic, pushing it to it's limits as a method of warrantless searches.  Their tactic is to use some tiny foothold of "reasonable suspicion" to stop & frisk everybody they can, looking for anything illegal.  Their use of it against the poor and minorities (i.e. people who aren't likely to cause a media stink with doing it to them) is well documented.

All they need is something specific (as in not a hunch or vague feeling) they can point to later and say that it was suspicious of criminal activity.

This is about specifically barring them from using the presence of more than one condom as grounds for this process.  So they can't use the fact you have two condoms in your possession as grounds for a warrantless detention and search on suspicion of prostitution.
2014-04-30 04:45:29 PM
3 votes:

ZAZ: Does anybody have an informative article rather than a propaganda piece? What I get from the article seems entirely reasonable: possession of multiple condoms creates suspicion, but is not an offense.


"creates suspicion" is a convenient justification for harassment by the NYPD without a specific reason. Like if a cop wants to give a trans woman a hard time for carrying two condoms.
2014-04-30 04:34:38 PM
3 votes:
Ah, New York. Where they're so worried about your health that they try to tell you how much soda you can buy, but if you're carrying more than one condom you're considered a criminal.

So what happens if someone walks down to the corner store and buys a whole box of condoms? Do they call in SWAT?
2014-04-30 10:13:09 PM
2 votes:

Orange-Pippin: sendtodave: Pokey.Clyde: Ah, New York.

That's all that needs to be said.

Nanny state.

Ugh. New York is a big state. The "west village" from TFA is in NYC. And before you start, the soda thing was NYC, e-cig bans mainly NYC.... NYC is not "all of New York."


According to farkers from NYC, NYC is the only New York that matters.
2014-04-30 07:02:18 PM
2 votes:

socodog: NYC.  LIberal paradise.


Were it really liberal, prostitution would be decriminalized ( though maybe being a John would still have penalties ).
2014-04-30 06:31:55 PM
2 votes:

sendtodave: Pokey.Clyde: Ah, New York.

That's all that needs to be said.

Nanny state.


Did anyone read the article? Some NYC cops have been doing f*cked-up sh*t (news flash: cops are often assholes, and not just in NYC), and apparently the city's going to do something about it. That's good.
2014-04-30 06:23:47 PM
2 votes:

Jormungandr: ZAZ: Does anybody have an informative article rather than a propaganda piece? What I get from the article seems entirely reasonable: possession of multiple condoms creates suspicion, but is not an offense.

The article doesn't say "creates suspicions" it says "is grounds for arrest"
From the actual text of the bill
New Section 60.47 would be added to the Criminal Procedure Law to prohibit the introduction of possession of a condom or other contraceptive device in NY trial, hearing or proceeding pursuant to Section 60.42 of the criminal procedure law or Section 240.37 of the penal law for the purpose of establishing probable cause for an arrest or proving any person's commission or attempted commission of such offense.

So the bill bans using condoms as probable cause for arrest on sex work related offences. Which if I am not misreading means that a cop

currently can haul you in for having multiple condoms, and the prosecutor will gladly use that as evidence that you're a prostitute with no other justification necessary.


FTFM
2014-04-30 05:24:10 PM
2 votes:

lockers: Last time I read something about it, condom use is extremely low among hookers.


Sure, "read"... Find better hookers.
2014-04-30 04:50:38 PM
2 votes:

ZAZ: Bloody William

Unless you go around wearing condoms as earrings, police have already decided to harass you by the time they start counting.


It doesn't make the situation any better, and it only further shows how your point that owning multiple condoms "creates suspicion" adds justification to an abusive force that should have less power to harass people, not more  No, it's not a reasonable thesis.
2014-05-01 01:37:30 AM
1 votes:

sendtodave: According to farkers from NYC, NYC is the only New York that matters.


The only people I've ever known to visit the state of New York only went there to go to New York City, whether it was for business, pleasure, or family stuff. Then there's the fact that nearly half the state's population, and the majority of its tax base, exists in NYC, and yeah, it is the only part of that state that matters.
2014-04-30 07:04:48 PM
1 votes:

Wooly Bully: sendtodave: Pokey.Clyde: Ah, New York.

That's all that needs to be said.

Nanny state.

Did anyone read the article? Some NYC cops have been doing f*cked-up sh*t (news flash: cops are often assholes, and not just in NYC), and apparently the city's going to do something about it. That's good.


Yeah, but this particular PD has a national reputation (see recent Twitter fiasco) of being abusive assholes. That's bad.
2014-04-30 06:22:07 PM
1 votes:

ZAZ: Does anybody have an informative article rather than a propaganda piece? What I get from the article seems entirely reasonable: possession of multiple condoms creates suspicion, but is not an offense.


The article doesn't say "creates suspicions" it says "is grounds for arrest"
From the actual text of the bill
New Section 60.47 would be added to the Criminal Procedure Law to prohibit the introduction of possession of a condom or other contraceptive device in NY trial, hearing or proceeding pursuant to Section 60.42 of the criminal procedure law or Section 240.37 of the penal law for the purpose of establishing probable cause for an arrest or proving any person's commission or attempted commission of such offense.

So the bill bans using condoms as probable cause for arrest on sex work related offences. Which if I am not misreading means that a cop can haul you in for having multiple condoms, and the prosecutor will gladly use that as evidence that you're a prostitute with no other justification necessary.
2014-04-30 06:21:57 PM
1 votes:

socodog: NYC.  LIberal paradise.


'Bagger, please.
2014-04-30 05:58:56 PM
1 votes:

fusillade762: What does owning more than one bulletproof vest make you?


www.mediabistro.com
 
Displayed 14 of 14 comments

View Voting Results: Smartest and Funniest


This thread is closed to new comments.

Continue Farking
Submit a Link »






Report