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2014-04-30 04:13:59 PM
 
2014-04-30 04:34:38 PM
Ah, New York. Where they're so worried about your health that they try to tell you how much soda you can buy, but if you're carrying more than one condom you're considered a criminal.

So what happens if someone walks down to the corner store and buys a whole box of condoms? Do they call in SWAT?
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2014-04-30 04:39:51 PM
Does anybody have an informative article rather than a propaganda piece? What I get from the article seems entirely reasonable: possession of multiple condoms creates suspicion, but is not an offense.
 
2014-04-30 04:45:29 PM

ZAZ: Does anybody have an informative article rather than a propaganda piece? What I get from the article seems entirely reasonable: possession of multiple condoms creates suspicion, but is not an offense.


"creates suspicion" is a convenient justification for harassment by the NYPD without a specific reason. Like if a cop wants to give a trans woman a hard time for carrying two condoms.
 
2014-04-30 04:45:38 PM
YOU'RE a hooker!
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2014-04-30 04:47:46 PM
Bloody William

Unless you go around wearing condoms as earrings, police have already decided to harass you by the time they start counting.
 
2014-04-30 04:50:38 PM

ZAZ: Bloody William

Unless you go around wearing condoms as earrings, police have already decided to harass you by the time they start counting.


It doesn't make the situation any better, and it only further shows how your point that owning multiple condoms "creates suspicion" adds justification to an abusive force that should have less power to harass people, not more  No, it's not a reasonable thesis.
 
2014-04-30 05:05:39 PM
What does owning more than one bulletproof vest make you?
 
2014-04-30 05:08:06 PM
Last time I read something about it, condom use is extremely low among hookers.
 
2014-04-30 05:24:10 PM

lockers: Last time I read something about it, condom use is extremely low among hookers.


Sure, "read"... Find better hookers.
 
2014-04-30 05:32:29 PM
So someone buys a box of a dozen, planning to give their honey a weekend they won't forget, and now they're a criminal?
 
2014-04-30 05:55:12 PM
The New York police department sure hates new yorkers.  Woman with too many condoms?  Hooker; enjoy jail.  Black?  Must be armed; enjoy pat down followed by jail.   Hm, I guess there's one group of people they don't hate.
 
2014-04-30 05:58:56 PM

fusillade762: What does owning more than one bulletproof vest make you?


www.mediabistro.com
 
2014-04-30 06:01:31 PM

Slaxl: lockers: Last time I read something about it, condom use is extremely low among hookers.

Sure, "read"... Find better hookers.


Better? Sounds like he's already frequenting the best!
 
2014-04-30 06:02:20 PM
NYC.  LIberal paradise.
 
2014-04-30 06:03:05 PM

Philip J. Fry: The New York police department sure hates new yorkers.  Woman with too many condoms?  Hooker; enjoy jail.  Black?  Must be armed; enjoy pat down followed by jail.   Hm, I guess there's one group of people they don't hate.


If you watched the Occupy protests it's clear the NYPD can be equal opportunity haters under the right circumstances.
 
2014-04-30 06:12:57 PM
I am honestly surprised that the Federal judge that ruled against Stop & Frisk didn't end up in a dark, damp cell in a NYPD precient, courtesy of an elite SWAT squad.
 
2014-04-30 06:15:29 PM

ZAZ: Bloody William

Unless you go around wearing condoms as earrings...


Like these?

2.bp.blogspot.com
 
2014-04-30 06:15:49 PM
I can't wait to see how many "hookers" they get when the cops raid a frat/sorority party.
 
2014-04-30 06:17:54 PM

Philip J. Fry: The New York police department sure hates new yorkers.  Woman with too many condoms?  Hooker; enjoy jail.  Black?  Must be armed; enjoy pat down followed by jail.   Hm, I guess there's one group of people they don't hate.


White male donut bakers?
 
2014-04-30 06:20:48 PM

fusillade762: What does owning more than one bulletproof vest make you?


If you're Old Dirty Bastard, it makes you a felon:

Rapper Ol' Dirty Bastard, who survived being fired on by Brooklyn cops last month, was arrested in Los Angeles for wearing a bulletproof vest, authorities said yesterday. The Wu-Tang Clan star, whose real name is Russell Jones, was pulled over Tuesday night for driving erratically. He was arrested for wearing a bulletproof vest a no-no because of his felony record, an LAPD spokesman said. Jones, 30, faces up to three years in jail for the offense. He was freed on $18,000 bail. It was unclear when the rapper began wearing the vest, but he's had more than his share of experience with gunfire. Last year, he was wounded during a Brooklyn robbery. Last month, Brooklyn cops pulled over Jones and a relative for driving without headlights and opened fire on the van after cops said Jones shot at them. No one was injured. Earlier this month, a grand jury refused to indict the rapper because no gun was recovered. Jones was wearing a bullet-proof vest in that incident, and that was included in the charges filed by cops. A lawyer for Jones was not immediately available for comment. Alternate name: Russell Jones
 
2014-04-30 06:21:57 PM

socodog: NYC.  LIberal paradise.


'Bagger, please.
 
2014-04-30 06:22:07 PM

ZAZ: Does anybody have an informative article rather than a propaganda piece? What I get from the article seems entirely reasonable: possession of multiple condoms creates suspicion, but is not an offense.


The article doesn't say "creates suspicions" it says "is grounds for arrest"
From the actual text of the bill
New Section 60.47 would be added to the Criminal Procedure Law to prohibit the introduction of possession of a condom or other contraceptive device in NY trial, hearing or proceeding pursuant to Section 60.42 of the criminal procedure law or Section 240.37 of the penal law for the purpose of establishing probable cause for an arrest or proving any person's commission or attempted commission of such offense.

So the bill bans using condoms as probable cause for arrest on sex work related offences. Which if I am not misreading means that a cop can haul you in for having multiple condoms, and the prosecutor will gladly use that as evidence that you're a prostitute with no other justification necessary.
 
2014-04-30 06:23:05 PM

oldernell: So someone buys a box of a dozen, planning to give their honey a weekend they won't forget, and now they're a criminal?


Not only a criminal but a deviant as well. Only married couples comprised of one man and one woman should be having sex, and then only for the purposes of procreation. That's the only reason people should be allowed to marry in the first place so of course people with condoms are gypsies, tramps, or thieves.

/deviant
 
2014-04-30 06:23:23 PM
If the first one breaks, God wants you to get pregnant/die of AIDS. Don't fight it.
 
2014-04-30 06:23:47 PM

Jormungandr: ZAZ: Does anybody have an informative article rather than a propaganda piece? What I get from the article seems entirely reasonable: possession of multiple condoms creates suspicion, but is not an offense.

The article doesn't say "creates suspicions" it says "is grounds for arrest"
From the actual text of the bill
New Section 60.47 would be added to the Criminal Procedure Law to prohibit the introduction of possession of a condom or other contraceptive device in NY trial, hearing or proceeding pursuant to Section 60.42 of the criminal procedure law or Section 240.37 of the penal law for the purpose of establishing probable cause for an arrest or proving any person's commission or attempted commission of such offense.

So the bill bans using condoms as probable cause for arrest on sex work related offences. Which if I am not misreading means that a cop

currently can haul you in for having multiple condoms, and the prosecutor will gladly use that as evidence that you're a prostitute with no other justification necessary.


FTFM
 
2014-04-30 06:27:54 PM
I worry that this is basically  "I've have profiled this person and want to hassle them, what excuse can I use?"

Close this loophole, and they likely to come up with some other excuse.  "Possession of Burglary  tools: Cellphone because a lookout can call and warn them when they are robbing a place"

Address the root problem.  Fine police personally every time they haul someone in and charges get dismissed (over some given reasonable allowance), maybe they'll think twice before profiling
 
2014-04-30 06:28:23 PM

Pokey.Clyde: Ah, New York.


That's all that needs to be said.

Nanny state.
 
2014-04-30 06:28:34 PM
I'm pretty sure this fortune cookie is telling me to masturbate...

i.imgur.com
 
2014-04-30 06:31:50 PM

socodog: NYC.  LIberal paradise.


I <3 NY
 
2014-04-30 06:31:54 PM

a particular individual: Rapper Ol' Dirty Bastard, who survived being fired on by Brooklyn cops last month, was arrested in Los Angeles for wearing a bulletproof vest,


Sounds like there may be a market on Etsy for craft made meteor proof vests to protect your torso from rapidly moving bits of nickle iron that just may happen to rain from the sky.   No rule against wearing one of those, is there?
 
2014-04-30 06:31:55 PM

sendtodave: Pokey.Clyde: Ah, New York.

That's all that needs to be said.

Nanny state.


Did anyone read the article? Some NYC cops have been doing f*cked-up sh*t (news flash: cops are often assholes, and not just in NYC), and apparently the city's going to do something about it. That's good.
 
2014-04-30 06:41:57 PM

Dahnkster: I'm pretty sure this fortune cookie is telling me to masturbate...

[i.imgur.com image 765x1024]


I'm pretty sure that cookie fortune image could have been cropped.
 
2014-04-30 06:49:39 PM
MORE than one?! I wish I just needed ONE.

/sigh, so lonely.
 
2014-04-30 07:02:18 PM

socodog: NYC.  LIberal paradise.


Were it really liberal, prostitution would be decriminalized ( though maybe being a John would still have penalties ).
 
2014-04-30 07:04:48 PM

Wooly Bully: sendtodave: Pokey.Clyde: Ah, New York.

That's all that needs to be said.

Nanny state.

Did anyone read the article? Some NYC cops have been doing f*cked-up sh*t (news flash: cops are often assholes, and not just in NYC), and apparently the city's going to do something about it. That's good.


Yeah, but this particular PD has a national reputation (see recent Twitter fiasco) of being abusive assholes. That's bad.
 
2014-04-30 07:12:13 PM

fusillade762: What does owning more than one bulletproof vest make you?


A mall ninja.  Read.  It's hilarious.
 
2014-04-30 07:12:29 PM

Pokey.Clyde: So what happens if someone walks down to the corner store and buys a whole box of condoms?


Try not to fark anybody on your way through the parking lot.
 
2014-04-30 07:12:54 PM

fusillade762: What does owning more than one bulletproof vest make you?


T.J. Hooker
 
2014-04-30 07:16:06 PM
Is it weird that I'm tempted to start carrying condoms just so I can bring down a shiatstorm of pain on anyone that calls me a hooker?
 
2014-04-30 07:19:02 PM

stewbert: Wooly Bully: sendtodave: Pokey.Clyde: Ah, New York.

That's all that needs to be said.

Nanny state.

Did anyone read the article? Some NYC cops have been doing f*cked-up sh*t (news flash: cops are often assholes, and not just in NYC), and apparently the city's going to do something about it. That's good.

Yeah, but this particular PD has a national reputation (see recent Twitter fiasco) of being abusive assholes. That's bad.


SODIUM BENZOATE!
 
2014-04-30 07:29:16 PM
Well, I guess I could just cover the front half.
 
2014-04-30 07:29:30 PM
wait wait...

Can't have too big cup of soda cause you're Queens Fat Bastard?
Can't have more than 7 bullets cause you're Bronx Adam Lanza?
Can't have more than 1 condom cause you're a Hell's Kitchen Eve Lawerence?

What's next?

Can't have SPF30 cause you're a Manhattan Limbaugh?
Can't have a 40oz cause you're a Brooklen Crips?

/not enough sleep and a 4 hour gridlock make the Vegas wookie....
 
2014-04-30 07:33:36 PM

socodog: NYC.  LIberal paradise.


That's sarcasm I assume.
 
2014-04-30 07:33:55 PM

ZAZ: Does anybody have an informative article rather than a propaganda piece? What I get from the article seems entirely reasonable: possession of multiple condoms creates suspicion, but is not an offense.


Um... they're treating it as  probable cause, not just suspicion.  "Suspicion" is not police-actionable and can't be used to put someone in custody for 24 hours at a time.
 
2014-04-30 07:41:29 PM

a particular individual: fusillade762: What does owning more than one bulletproof vest make you?

If you're Old Dirty Bastard, it makes you a felon:

Rapper Ol' Dirty Bastard, who survived being fired on by Brooklyn cops last month, was arrested in Los Angeles for wearing a bulletproof vest, authorities said yesterday. The Wu-Tang Clan star, whose real name is Russell Jones, was pulled over Tuesday night for driving erratically. He was arrested for wearing a bulletproof vest a no-no because of his felony record, an LAPD spokesman said. Jones, 30, faces up to three years in jail for the offense. He was freed on $18,000 bail. It was unclear when the rapper began wearing the vest, but he's had more than his share of experience with gunfire. Last year, he was wounded during a Brooklyn robbery. Last month, Brooklyn cops pulled over Jones and a relative for driving without headlights and opened fire on the van after cops said Jones shot at them. No one was injured. Earlier this month, a grand jury refused to indict the rapper because no gun was recovered. Jones was wearing a bullet-proof vest in that incident, and that was included in the charges filed by cops. A lawyer for Jones was not immediately available for comment. Alternate name: Russell Jones


So farkin' stupid!  Defensive clothing shouldn't even be looked at.  This has got to be idiotic fallout from the North Hollywood shootout.
 
2014-04-30 07:43:18 PM
You would think Mayor De Blasio would just put down the edict to the police commissioner (who works at his pleasure) to knock it off and it would no longer be an issue.
 
2014-04-30 07:54:59 PM
I know the last people who should be carrying multiple condoms are hookers.
 
2014-04-30 08:06:58 PM

Mugato: socodog: NYC.  LIberal paradise.

That's sarcasm I assume.


Cops are dicks because liberals. Sounds legit.
 
2014-04-30 08:10:18 PM
Sometimes you need a lot more

Huh image is too big?

ok see it here  http://www.talkingeasy.com/meaning/condoms.html
 
2014-04-30 08:10:35 PM

Dahnkster: I'm pretty sure this fortune cookie is telling me to masturbate...

[i.imgur.com image 765x1024]


Heh... that's pretty funny.  Good one.

Haven't had a fortune cookie in years.  My local Chinese food place gives you a zip-lock bag of animal cookies.  They're weird.  But the food is pretty damn good.
 
2014-04-30 08:18:17 PM
So from what I read they don't just assume you're a hooker. They assume you're a tranny hooker?
 
2014-04-30 08:28:29 PM

ZAZ: Does anybody have an informative article rather than a propaganda piece? What I get from the article seems entirely reasonable: possession of multiple condoms creates suspicion, but is not an offense.


The problem is that under current US case law, "reasonable suspicion" of criminal activity is grounds for the police to conduct what is called a "Terry Stop", where they can briefly detain you to determine your identity (and if you have any outstanding warrants) and frisk you to see if you have weapons (and if they can feel the presence of any other contraband on you), all without a warrant.   This is from the Supreme Court precedent Terry v. Ohio, 392 U.S. 1 (1968).  The intent was to let Officers stop somebody and search them for weapons if they had a reason to think they could be dangerous, on the grounds of Officer safety.

The NYPD is downright notorious for their very aggressive use of this tactic, pushing it to it's limits as a method of warrantless searches.  Their tactic is to use some tiny foothold of "reasonable suspicion" to stop & frisk everybody they can, looking for anything illegal.  Their use of it against the poor and minorities (i.e. people who aren't likely to cause a media stink with doing it to them) is well documented.

All they need is something specific (as in not a hunch or vague feeling) they can point to later and say that it was suspicious of criminal activity.

This is about specifically barring them from using the presence of more than one condom as grounds for this process.  So they can't use the fact you have two condoms in your possession as grounds for a warrantless detention and search on suspicion of prostitution.
 
2014-04-30 08:32:04 PM
Why isn't this article under the Business tab?
 
2014-04-30 08:37:43 PM
"Oftentimes a responsible sexual encounter will require more than one condom," he said.

Here, here!
 
2014-04-30 08:41:32 PM

Firethorn: fusillade762: What does owning more than one bulletproof vest make you?

A mall ninja.  Read.  It's hilarious.


Now that's a blast from the past.
 
2014-04-30 09:04:15 PM

fusillade762: Mugato: socodog: NYC.  LIberal paradise.

That's sarcasm I assume.

Cops are dicks because liberals. Sounds legit.


"Cops are dicks" - self evident

"because liberals" - self evident
 
2014-04-30 09:17:44 PM
I always knew those New Yorkers were dirty f*ckers, using the same condom as you switch holes. I bet they go ass to mouth, too.
 
2014-04-30 09:29:09 PM

Pokey.Clyde: but if you're carrying more than one condom you're considered a criminal.


Well, only if you're a woman.
 
2014-04-30 09:40:10 PM

sendtodave: Pokey.Clyde: Ah, New York.

That's all that needs to be said.

Nanny state.


Ugh. New York is a big state. The "west village" from TFA is in NYC. And before you start, the soda thing was NYC, e-cig bans mainly NYC.... NYC is not "all of New York."
 
2014-04-30 10:13:09 PM

Orange-Pippin: sendtodave: Pokey.Clyde: Ah, New York.

That's all that needs to be said.

Nanny state.

Ugh. New York is a big state. The "west village" from TFA is in NYC. And before you start, the soda thing was NYC, e-cig bans mainly NYC.... NYC is not "all of New York."


According to farkers from NYC, NYC is the only New York that matters.
 
2014-04-30 10:21:32 PM

Pokey.Clyde: So what happens if someone walks down to the corner store and buys a whole box of condoms?


Good question.  How do you even acquire condoms without ending up with more than one of them on your person, between the store and your house?  Aren't they customarily sold in boxes of more than one?
 
2014-04-30 11:10:49 PM

sendtodave: Orange-Pippin: sendtodave: Pokey.Clyde: Ah, New York.

That's all that needs to be said.

Nanny state.

Ugh. New York is a big state. The "west village" from TFA is in NYC. And before you start, the soda thing was NYC, e-cig bans mainly NYC.... NYC is not "all of New York."

According to farkers from NYC, NYC is the only New York that matters.


The only people who care that NYC is not "all of New York" are the hillbillies who live in the hills between the Bronx and Quebec.
 
2014-04-30 11:27:57 PM

King Something: sendtodave: Orange-Pippin: sendtodave: Pokey.Clyde: Ah, New York.

That's all that needs to be said.

Nanny state.

Ugh. New York is a big state. The "west village" from TFA is in NYC. And before you start, the soda thing was NYC, e-cig bans mainly NYC.... NYC is not "all of New York."

According to farkers from NYC, NYC is the only New York that matters.

The only people who care that NYC is not "all of New York" are the hillbillies who live in the hills between the Bronx and Quebec.


Well, iunno aboot that guy, but I live in Northern Virginia.

You know, the "highest income in the country" Northern Virginia?  Internet root?  Surburb of the capital of the free world?

NYC can go blow, it's not tha timpotant.

'Cept for the bankers, I guess.  But fark bankers.
 
2014-04-30 11:28:41 PM
Also, "timpotant" is a new world i just made up.

Poor tim.
 
2014-04-30 11:35:12 PM
See, I'm glad I don't live in New York City. Because if I did, I'd have to run myself ragged getting outraged over them doing stupid shiat like this, the proposed soda ban, the e-cig ban, and so on and so forth. (Haven't researched the SAFE Act, but I'm generally pro-gun and want to see a pretty high bar before I'd be comfortable with a gun control law, and I doubt SAFE would meet my bar. Of course, the gun control in NYC is pretty retarded already, so whatever problems it may cause upstate, in NYC proper it's just a dollop of diarrhea icing on the pre-existing shiat sandwich.)

As it is, living where I do, it's tiring enough just being aggravated over the chronic abuse-of-power problems the SPD has. And realistically, the behavior of Seattle's "finest" is pretty much standard for the gangs police forces of most major US cities, anyway.
 
2014-05-01 12:22:21 AM

sendtodave: Orange-Pippin: sendtodave: Pokey.Clyde: Ah, New York.

That's all that needs to be said.

Nanny state.

Ugh. New York is a big state. The "west village" from TFA is in NYC. And before you start, the soda thing was NYC, e-cig bans mainly NYC.... NYC is not "all of New York."

According to farkers from NYC who moved to NYC from a flyover shiathole sometime in their twenties, NYC is the only New York that matters.


FTFY
 
2014-05-01 12:52:08 AM
Are you kidding me? It usually takes me like eight of them before I can finally get one turned around the right direction and put on properly.

I always end up stumbling around the room with one half stuck on one foot and another half-wrapped around my head trying desperately to not fall over and bang my head on the end table and suffocating again.

I'm not good with sex stuff.
 
2014-05-01 01:21:14 AM

Wooly Bully: sendtodave: Pokey.Clyde: Ah, New York.

That's all that needs to be said.

Nanny state.

Did anyone read the article? Some NYC cops have been doing f*cked-up sh*t (news flash: cops are often assholes, and not just in NYC), and apparently the city's going to do something about it. That's good.


Actually the state is trying to do something about it.
 
2014-05-01 01:21:46 AM

tripleseven: sendtodave: Orange-Pippin: sendtodave: Pokey.Clyde: Ah, New York.

That's all that needs to be said.

Nanny state.

Ugh. New York is a big state. The "west village" from TFA is in NYC. And before you start, the soda thing was NYC, e-cig bans mainly NYC.... NYC is not "all of New York."

According to farkers from NYC who moved to NYC from a flyover shiathole sometime in their twenties, NYC is the only New York that matters.

FTFY


Pretty much this.  Every NYCer/LIer I know who is into hunting or camping or rafting or just fresh air in general has a freaking ramshackle cabin or timeshare condo upstate* and dreams of moving up there, if only there were like, you know, job options and stuff.

*or in the Poconos, whatever
 
2014-05-01 01:33:54 AM

socodog: NYC.  LIberal paradise.


Yeah, because when one thinks of Giuliani and Bloomberg, the first thing that comes to mind is liberal. Combined, those two assholes ran that city for almost 20 years, DeBlasio hasn't even been in office a year.
 
2014-05-01 01:37:30 AM

sendtodave: According to farkers from NYC, NYC is the only New York that matters.


The only people I've ever known to visit the state of New York only went there to go to New York City, whether it was for business, pleasure, or family stuff. Then there's the fact that nearly half the state's population, and the majority of its tax base, exists in NYC, and yeah, it is the only part of that state that matters.
 
2014-05-01 02:03:52 AM

Hi! I can lick my own eyebrows: MORE than one?! I wish I just needed ONE.

/sigh, so lonely.


Amen, brother..
 
2014-05-01 02:07:24 AM
I think I remember reading about the 'more than one condom makes you a suspect' thing before, but perhaps not on Fark.  Seems all kinds of screwed up, no pun intended.
 
2014-05-01 02:09:28 AM

LectertheChef: socodog: NYC.  LIberal paradise.

Yeah, because when one thinks of Giuliani and Bloomberg, the first thing that comes to mind is liberal. Combined, those two assholes ran that city for almost 20 years, DeBlasio hasn't even been in office a year.


I usually vote democrat, but I sat this last one out because there's something I don't like about DeBlasio.  He's too liberal for me, or rather liberal in the wrong way.  Or maybe it's because I'm a white guy engaged to a black chick and had a bad taste in my mouth about how his family seemed to be his whole damn campaign.  Or maybe because NYC needs a conservative mayor to cancel out the liberal derp that comes out of some the crazier democrats on the council, like that Puerto Rican guy that wanted to ban salt from restaurants.  Or whoever it was that wanted to hide
 cigarettes from view in stores to discourage smoking among minors, as if any gas station attendants or bodega workers know what any brand other than "Marlboro Lights" or "Newports" or whatever brand they smoke themselves even looks like.

The anti-charter school agenda is screwing up his popularity, though--if DeBlasio's proposals ever pass, I expect him to be a one term guy because his challenger will focus on bringing back charter schools and raising the speed limit back to 30 so he'll have both the urban and suburban parts of the city in the bag.  Folks in Staten Island and Queens simply can't accept the notion that doing 50 deserves 6 insurance points.  That's tyranny.  Especially on main roads and outside of school zones.
 
2014-05-01 02:19:11 AM

socodog: NYC.  LIberal paradise.


Roight, guv.  Liberals get elected by thumping on Bibles and yelling "Sex is teh evul" and "Mah opponent is SOFT ON CRAHME!"

(DYRTFA?)
 
2014-05-01 02:50:12 AM

Bloody William: "creates suspicion" is a convenient justification for harassment by the NYPD without a specific reason. Like if a cop wants to give a trans woman a hard time for carrying two condoms.


As with most articulable facts, it should be one item of many adding up to the whole. The totality of circumstances is what justifies any search or seizure.
 
2014-05-01 03:01:13 AM

Jim_Callahan: ZAZ: Does anybody have an informative article rather than a propaganda piece? What I get from the article seems entirely reasonable: possession of multiple condoms creates suspicion, but is not an offense.

Um... they're treating it as  probable cause, not just suspicion.  "Suspicion" is not police-actionable and can't be used to put someone in custody for 24 hours at a time.


No they are not using it by itself as probable cause, which at the risk of being pedantic is a level of suspicion.
 
2014-05-01 03:05:36 AM

Silverstaff: ZAZ: Does anybody have an informative article rather than a propaganda piece? What I get from the article seems entirely reasonable: possession of multiple condoms creates suspicion, but is not an offense.

The problem is that under current US case law, "reasonable suspicion" of criminal activity is grounds for the police to conduct what is called a "Terry Stop", where they can briefly detain you to determine your identity (and if you have any outstanding warrants) and frisk you to see if you have weapons (and if they can feel the presence of any other contraband on you), all without a warrant.   This is from the Supreme Court precedent Terry v. Ohio, 392 U.S. 1 (1968).  The intent was to let Officers stop somebody and search them for weapons if they had a reason to think they could be dangerous, on the grounds of Officer safety.

The NYPD is downright notorious for their very aggressive use of this tactic, pushing it to it's limits as a method of warrantless searches.  Their tactic is to use some tiny foothold of "reasonable suspicion" to stop & frisk everybody they can, looking for anything illegal.  Their use of it against the poor and minorities (i.e. people who aren't likely to cause a media stink with doing it to them) is well documented.

All they need is something specific (as in not a hunch or vague feeling) they can point to later and say that it was suspicious of criminal activity.

This is about specifically barring them from using the presence of more than one condom as grounds for this process.  So they can't use the fact you have two condoms in your possession as grounds for a warrantless detention and search on suspicion of prostitution.


1. Even if they could not abuse frisking, the terry stop will continue until the reasonable suspicions are explained away.

2. How the fark is the condom going to lead to the terry stop or frisk initially in your scenario? Are you carrying them visibly (not that there should be anything wrong with that)?
 
2014-05-01 03:35:58 AM

Silverstaff: ZAZ: Does anybody have an informative article rather than a propaganda piece? What I get from the article seems entirely reasonable: possession of multiple condoms creates suspicion, but is not an offense.

The problem is that under current US case law, "reasonable suspicion" of criminal activity is grounds for the police to conduct what is called a "Terry Stop", where they can briefly detain you to determine your identity (and if you have any outstanding warrants) and frisk you to see if you have weapons (and if they can feel the presence of any other contraband on you), all without a warrant.   This is from the Supreme Court precedent Terry v. Ohio, 392 U.S. 1 (1968).  The intent was to let Officers stop somebody and search them for weapons if they had a reason to think they could be dangerous, on the grounds of Officer safety.

The NYPD is downright notorious for their very aggressive use of this tactic, pushing it to it's limits as a method of warrantless searches.  Their tactic is to use some tiny foothold of "reasonable suspicion" to stop & frisk everybody they can, looking for anything illegal.  Their use of it against the poor and minorities (i.e. people who aren't likely to cause a media stink with doing it to them) is well documented.

All they need is something specific (as in not a hunch or vague feeling) they can point to later and say that it was suspicious of criminal activity.

This is about specifically barring them from using the presence of more than one condom as grounds for this process.  So they can't use the fact you have two condoms in your possession as grounds for a warrantless detention and search on suspicion of prostitution.


The police always misrepresent Terry v Ohio.  The cops have to have reasonable suspicion that the person has committed a crime AND reasonable suspicion that the person might be carrying a weapon.  They can't make shiat up about either of these two requirements, which is what they do, and NYPD being the world champions at making shiat up for this purpose.  Several of the judges emphasized the need for suspicion of a violent act.  Basically, the court allows it in the RARE instance where the police officer's life could be endangered.
 
2014-05-01 04:09:09 AM
"How am I supposed to protect myself from HIV and STIs when I am scared to leave my house with condoms in my purse?"

If you always need multiple condoms on you because sex might happen at any time...
 
2014-05-01 04:10:40 AM

lucksi: "How am I supposed to protect myself from HIV and STIs when I am scared to leave my house with condoms in my purse?"

If you always need multiple condoms on you because sex might happen at any time...


Then you're a lucky person?
 
2014-05-01 04:33:57 AM
Jokes on them - I am a prostitute, but now that I know about this rule I simply won't bother with condoms, and they'll never suspect a thing!
 
2014-05-01 06:09:53 AM

a particular individual: fusillade762: What does owning more than one bulletproof vest make you?

If you're Old Dirty Bastard, it makes you a felon:


Technically, it was only illegal for him because he was already a felon.
 
2014-05-01 06:29:01 AM

IHadMeAVision: LectertheChef: socodog: NYC.  LIberal paradise.

Yeah, because when one thinks of Giuliani and Bloomberg, the first thing that comes to mind is liberal. Combined, those two assholes ran that city for almost 20 years, DeBlasio hasn't even been in office a year.

I usually vote democrat, but I sat this last one out because there's something I don't like about DeBlasio.  He's too liberal for me, or rather liberal in the wrong way.  Or maybe it's because I'm a white guy engaged to a black chick and had a bad taste in my mouth about how his family seemed to be his whole damn campaign.  Or maybe because NYC needs a conservative mayor to cancel out the liberal derp that comes out of some the crazier democrats on the council, like that Puerto Rican guy that wanted to ban salt from restaurants.  Or whoever it was that wanted to hide
 cigarettes from view in stores to discourage smoking among minors, as if any gas station attendants or bodega workers know what any brand other than "Marlboro Lights" or "Newports" or whatever brand they smoke themselves even looks like.

The anti-charter school agenda is screwing up his popularity, though--if DeBlasio's proposals ever pass, I expect him to be a one term guy because his challenger will focus on bringing back charter schools and raising the speed limit back to 30 so he'll have both the urban and suburban parts of the city in the bag.  Folks in Staten Island and Queens simply can't accept the notion that doing 50 deserves 6 insurance points.  That's tyranny.  Especially on main roads and outside of school zones.


Anti-charter school?  No, he's against allowing for-profit charter schools to operate rent-free in public schools. In other words, leeching off of corporate welfare. You were tricked by the pro-charter school propaganda I guess.  Now I'm against charter schools because they suck money out of public schools and funnel it into private corporation's pockets.  But DeBlasio has made no move to eliminate charter schools.
 
2014-05-01 06:31:22 AM

socodog: NYC.  LIberal paradise.


You sound like a failure.
 
2014-05-01 07:23:32 AM

stewbert: Wooly Bully: sendtodave: Pokey.Clyde: Ah, New York.

That's all that needs to be said.

Nanny state.

Did anyone read the article? Some NYC cops have been doing f*cked-up sh*t (news flash: cops are often assholes, and not just in NYC), and apparently the city's going to do something about it. That's good.

Yeah, but this particular PD has a national reputation (see recent Twitter fiasco) of being abusive assholes. That's bad.


The sad thing is that the worst behavior for NYPD is Tuesday for cops in Maryland.
 
2014-05-01 08:02:39 AM

Jormungandr: Jormungandr: ZAZ: Does anybody have an informative article rather than a propaganda piece? What I get from the article seems entirely reasonable: possession of multiple condoms creates suspicion, but is not an offense.

The article doesn't say "creates suspicions" it says "is grounds for arrest"
From the actual text of the bill
New Section 60.47 would be added to the Criminal Procedure Law to prohibit the introduction of possession of a condom or other contraceptive device in NY trial, hearing or proceeding pursuant to Section 60.42 of the criminal procedure law or Section 240.37 of the penal law for the purpose of establishing probable cause for an arrest or proving any person's commission or attempted commission of such offense.

So the bill bans using condoms as probable cause for arrest on sex work related offences. Which if I am not misreading means that a cop currently can haul you in for having multiple condoms, and the prosecutor will gladly use that as evidence that you're a prostitute with no other justification necessary.


FTFM


Here's one from last year, it focuses on New Orleans but mentions New York.
 
2014-05-01 08:06:29 AM

Pokey.Clyde: Ah, New York. Where they're so worried about your health that they try to tell you how much soda you can buy, but if you're carrying more than one condom you're considered a criminal.

So what happens if someone walks down to the corner store and buys a whole box of condoms? Do they call in SWAT?


Baliff! Whack his pee pee
 
2014-05-01 08:49:24 AM
I got some extra ones to give away. I don't need them, I'm married.
 
2014-05-01 09:33:06 AM

47 is the new 42: Wooly Bully: sendtodave: Pokey.Clyde: Ah, New York.

That's all that needs to be said.

Nanny state.

Did anyone read the article? Some NYC cops have been doing f*cked-up sh*t (news flash: cops are often assholes, and not just in NYC), and apparently the city's going to do something about it. That's good.

Actually the state is trying to do something about it.


That's true. I should have said "state" instead of "city", although it's irrelevant. Apparently you're one of the people who actually did read the article. The knee-jerk "haha New York sucks and liberals suck" posts were what I was responding to.
 
2014-05-01 10:02:00 AM
Well at least it's nice to know that my fellow liberals are often as full of shiat as those on the right.

 So I can pay somebody to take a fetus out of a woman, but I can't pay a woman to let me pretend to put one inside her. My body my choice right?

 

socodog: NYC.  LIberal paradise.


You be trolling but this same shiat happens (or worse) in Conservative paradise. (TX)
 
2014-05-01 10:05:02 AM

gameshowhost: "Oftentimes a responsible sexual encounter will require more than one condom," he said.

Here, here!


Seriously if you have to use condoms and you only need one your sex is boring.
 
2014-05-01 10:19:22 AM

lucksi: "How am I supposed to protect myself from HIV and STIs when I am scared to leave my house with condoms in my purse?"

If you always need multiple condoms on you because sex might happen at any time...


He's a tranny, one for him and one for the other guy.  I see no issue here.  When you were single did you have a condom in your wallet?
 
2014-05-01 10:26:01 AM

TNel: gameshowhost: "Oftentimes a responsible sexual encounter will require more than one condom," he said.

Here, here!

Seriously if you have to use condoms and you only need one your sex is boring.


They are like shirts. You can get another use by going inside-out.
 
2014-05-01 10:30:17 AM

Smackledorfer: They are like shirts. You can get another use by going inside-out.


I was going to recommend just washing it in the sink and then using a rubberband/cockring to keep it on.
 
2014-05-01 10:54:49 AM
I know my girlfriend in high school liked sex, but we were exclusive. She bought the 24 pack or whatever it was of condoms. Good thing we didn't live in New York, I guess. That would have been an awkward call.
 
2014-05-01 12:46:26 PM

No Such Agency: a particular individual: fusillade762: What does owning more than one bulletproof vest make you?

If you're Old Dirty Bastard, it makes you a felon:

Technically, it was only illegal for him because he was already a felon.


18 US Code 931 "Prohibition on purchase, ownership, or possession of body armor by violent felons".

ODB might actually have a case for unconstitutionality on the law, given that he's been shot at a number of times even though he wasn't otherwise committing a crime at the time*.  Right to life and such.  Body armor isn't a offensive weapon.

*IE the armor was the only violation.  Yes, he was shot at by the cops one of the times, but they never found the gun he supposedly shot at them with, and you KNOW they'd go through everything with a fine tooth comb to find it.
 
2014-05-01 01:10:36 PM

Firethorn: No Such Agency: a particular individual: fusillade762: What does owning more than one bulletproof vest make you?

If you're Old Dirty Bastard, it makes you a felon:

Technically, it was only illegal for him because he was already a felon.

18 US Code 931 "Prohibition on purchase, ownership, or possession of body armor by violent felons".

ODB might actually have a case for unconstitutionality on the law, given that he's been shot at a number of times even though he wasn't otherwise committing a crime at the time*.  Right to life and such.  Body armor isn't a offensive weapon.

*IE the armor was the only violation.  Yes, he was shot at by the cops one of the times, but they never found the gun he supposedly shot at them with, and you KNOW they'd go through everything with a fine tooth comb to find it.


If they were that dirty, why no drop gun?
 
2014-05-01 01:35:33 PM

mjjt: Sometimes you need a lot more

Huh image is too big?

ok see it here  http://www.talkingeasy.com/meaning/condoms.html


Hah! Those pics were great-- most I hadn't seen before.

Thanks for the laugh.
 
2014-05-01 11:05:38 PM

sendtodave: According to farkers from NYC people in every other state, NYC is the only New York that matters.


As a resident of NY state, I've found the city folk less frustrating than all the people in other states who hear "New York" and can only think of Brooklyn and Manhattan.

It can be downright impossible to convince outsiders that rural New York is even a thing.  We're routinely chopped off of maps of Appalachia, because some loser just can't conceive of NY being in any way Appalachian.
 
2014-05-01 11:18:08 PM

Xcott: sendtodave: According to farkers from NYC people in every other state, NYC is the only New York that matters.

As a resident of NY state, I've found the city folk less frustrating than all the people in other states who hear "New York" and can only think of Brooklyn and Manhattan.

It can be downright impossible to convince outsiders that rural New York is even a thing.  We're routinely chopped off of maps of Appalachia, because some loser just can't conceive of NY being in any way Appalachian.


It's those city folks that told everyone else what a "New Yorker" is, through films, music, etc.
 
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