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(Townhall)   Harry Reid tried to restrict a corporation's freedom of speech. Next he will be looking to restrict their freedom of religion and their right to bear arms   (townhall.com) divider line 85
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2014-04-30 04:12:38 PM
All in one day? Damn, he's good.
 
2014-04-30 04:23:06 PM
And when we say speech, we mean money.


Same thing, right?
 
2014-04-30 04:32:07 PM
"Asinine" is slang for "good" right? All the cool kids are saying it now? "Asinine ride, dude!" "Betty is so asinine! I would totally do her!"
 
2014-04-30 04:41:33 PM
Here's the amendment he's supporting:

SECTION 1

To advance the fundamental principle of political equality for all, and to protect the integrity of the legislative and electoral processes, Congress shall have power to regulate the raising and spending of money and in-kind equivalents with respect to Federal elections, including through setting limits on-
            (1) the amount of contributions to candidates for nomination for election to, or for election to, Federal office; and
            (2) the amount of funds that may be spent by, in support of, or in opposition to such candidates.

SECTION 2

To advance the fundamental principle of political equality for all, and to protect the integrity of the legislative and electoral processes, each State shall have power to regulate the raising and spending of money and in-kind equivalents with respect to State elections, including through setting limits on-
            (1) the amount of contributions to candidates for nomination for election to, or for election to, State office; and
            (2) the amount of funds that may be spent by, in support of, or in opposition to such candidates.

SECTION 3

Nothing in this article shall be construed to grant Congress the power to abridge the freedom of the press.

SECTION 4

Congress and the States shall have power to implement and enforce this article by appropriate legislation.
 
2014-04-30 04:46:02 PM

ArkAngel: Here's the amendment he's supporting:


Given the Court's recent rulings, I don't really see how this would be considered constitutional. Not saying I agree, but I don't see how this solves the issue.
 
2014-04-30 04:47:26 PM
Okay, I LOLd at "Kochsteria itch"

It sounds like something I picked up from that hooker in Prague.
 
2014-04-30 05:03:17 PM
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DamnYankees: ArkAngel: Here's the amendment he's supporting:

Given the Court's recent rulings, I don't really see how this would be considered constitutional. Not saying I agree, but I don't see how this solves the issue.


That's why it's an amendment.
 
2014-04-30 05:04:25 PM

DamnYankees: Given the Court's recent rulings, I don't really see how this would be considered constitutional.


...because it's a constitutional amendment. By definition it would be constitutional.
 
2014-04-30 05:14:44 PM
Just the other day Harry Reid tried to quarter troops in my spare bedroom!!!
 
2014-04-30 05:16:17 PM
Oh, this thing again?  Isn't this where the conservatives are pushing for the right to lie in their ads?

Yes, I could see how that would kneecap them a bit.  It is all they've got.
 
2014-04-30 05:17:48 PM

StrikitRich: Just the other day Harry Reid tried to quarter troops in my spare bedroom!!!


I know it's not Constitutional.  But I could live with it.  Would be the most action I've gotten in months.
 
2014-04-30 05:23:16 PM

Diogenes: StrikitRich: Just the other day Harry Reid tried to quarter troops in my spare bedroom!!!

I know it's not Constitutional.  But I could live with it.  Would be the most action I've gotten in months.


.........OK?
 
2014-04-30 05:26:04 PM

fusillade762: That's why it's an amendment.


nmrsnr: ...because it's a constitutional amendment. By definition it would be constitutional.


Thanks - I misread TFA. I had thought this was supposed to be an amend to a bill, not the constitution. Forget what I said earlier.
 
2014-04-30 05:28:03 PM

StrikitRich: Diogenes: StrikitRich: Just the other day Harry Reid tried to quarter troops in my spare bedroom!!!

I know it's not Constitutional.  But I could live with it.  Would be the most action I've gotten in months.

.........OK?


Look, it's been a long day, it's a Clownhall article, and I'm killing time before I leave work.

If you want my best work you'll have to check me after my first cup of coffee in the morning.
 
2014-04-30 05:30:44 PM
Wait, millions of people get health insurance, and health spending spikes?

I'm trying to find a correlation here, but cannot....

Oh, the constitutional amendment thing is interesting, but meh.
 
2014-04-30 05:50:09 PM
So spending more money on someone else makes others have "less speech" unless they are corporations and rich people.
 
2014-04-30 05:54:31 PM
If by "corporations", you meant "everyone".

Also, Section 3 nullifies the whole thing.
 
2014-04-30 05:57:09 PM

DrBenway: "Asinine" is slang for "good" right? All the cool kids are saying it now? "Asinine ride, dude!" "Betty is so asinine! I would totally do her!"


Her face a four but her asinine.
 
2014-04-30 05:58:33 PM
I found a Republican Congressman's comment referring to this subject as a "free market" issue amusing.

So buying votes of the electorate is the same as buying stocks on Wall Street? Poor analogy.
 
2014-04-30 05:59:07 PM
Good.
 
2014-04-30 06:00:48 PM

BMFPitt: If by "corporations", you meant "everyone".

Also, Section 3 nullifies the whole thing.


Maybe you can tell us then how giving money to others for political speech can both be "Free Speech" and "Anti-free speech"?
 
2014-04-30 06:01:39 PM
Harry Reid wants to limit union contributions?
 
2014-04-30 06:07:56 PM

Corvus: BMFPitt: If by "corporations", you meant "everyone".

Also, Section 3 nullifies the whole thing.

Maybe you can tell us then how giving money to others for political speech can both be "Free Speech" and "Anti-free speech"?


WTF are you babbling about?
 
2014-04-30 06:09:50 PM

cchris_39: Harry Reid wants to limit union contributions?


The amendment doesn't distinguish unions from other kinds of corporations, so I guess so. Or at least he considers it worth it.
 
2014-04-30 06:10:20 PM

AirForceVet: I found a Republican Congressman's comment referring to this subject as a "free market" issue amusing.

So buying votes of the electorate is the same as buying stocks on Wall Street? Poor analogy.


The marketplace of ideas, indeed.
 
2014-04-30 06:10:50 PM

vernonFL: Okay, I LOLd at "Kochsteria itch"

It sounds like something I picked up from that hooker in Prague.


I like how they laugh at all the libs who bring up the Koch brothers, but then they go on to froth at the mouth about George Soros, Van Jones, and Saul Alinsky.
 
2014-04-30 06:17:34 PM

BMFPitt: Corvus: BMFPitt: If by "corporations", you meant "everyone".

Also, Section 3 nullifies the whole thing.

Maybe you can tell us then how giving money to others for political speech can both be "Free Speech" and "Anti-free speech"?

WTF are you babbling about?


Well SCOTUS said it was limiting speech when money is given to a political group because the other group broke campaign laws.

But the SCOTUS said it was free speech when a corporation gave to a political group.


So maybe you can explain to us how it's both.
 
2014-04-30 06:19:41 PM

DrBenway: AirForceVet: I found a Republican Congressman's comment referring to this subject as a "free market" issue amusing.

So buying votes of the electorate is the same as buying stocks on Wall Street? Poor analogy.

The marketplace of ideas, indeed.


Well I guess when you are the GOP and have a lot of money but no ideas, you want to change the electoral system so that it is based on a candidate's financial assets rather than the candidate's ideas.
 
2014-04-30 06:21:06 PM

kidgenius: vernonFL: Okay, I LOLd at "Kochsteria itch"

It sounds like something I picked up from that hooker in Prague.

I like how they laugh at all the libs who bring up the Koch brothers, but then they go on to froth at the mouth about George Soros, Van Jones, and Saul Alinsky.


I think you misspelled Benghazi.
 
2014-04-30 06:21:37 PM

Corvus: BMFPitt: Corvus: BMFPitt: If by "corporations", you meant "everyone".

Also, Section 3 nullifies the whole thing.

Maybe you can tell us then how giving money to others for political speech can both be "Free Speech" and "Anti-free speech"?

WTF are you babbling about?

Well SCOTUS said it was limiting speech when money is given to a political group because the other group broke campaign laws.

But the SCOTUS said it was free speech when a corporation gave to a political group.

So maybe you can explain to us how it's both.


I have to say I'm not sure what your point is, either.
 
2014-04-30 06:22:29 PM

DamnYankees: Forget what I said earlier.


I hold bad grudges, man.
 
2014-04-30 06:23:48 PM
I have literally no idea what to think about this, but if Town Hall is upset about something I'll likely support the opinion they oppose. Oh they're crying about Harry Reid trying to better the country? Yawn.
 
2014-04-30 06:25:22 PM
They buried the lead. We're getting our own politburo!
 
2014-04-30 06:28:24 PM

Corvus: Well SCOTUS said it was limiting speech when money is given to a political group because the other group broke campaign laws.


No idea what this is referencing, please cite the case.
 
2014-04-30 06:35:51 PM

heavymetal: DrBenway: AirForceVet: I found a Republican Congressman's comment referring to this subject as a "free market" issue amusing.

So buying votes of the electorate is the same as buying stocks on Wall Street? Poor analogy.

The marketplace of ideas, indeed.

Well I guess when you are the GOP and have a lot of money but no ideas, you want to change the electoral system so that it is based on a candidate's financial assets rather than the candidate's ideas.


Pretty much what they did with Romney.
 
2014-04-30 06:36:42 PM

meat0918: Wait, millions of people get health insurance, and health spending spikes?


Health speech rose.
 
2014-04-30 06:48:49 PM

DrBenway: "Asinine" is slang for "good" right? All the cool kids are saying it now? "Asinine ride, dude!" "Betty is so asinine! I would totally do her!"


I am just going to assume the best of subby and that the tag was for the article.
 
2014-04-30 06:50:21 PM
A constitutional amendment?  Not in this political climate.
 
2014-04-30 07:06:29 PM

BMFPitt: If by "corporations", you meant "everyone".

Also, Section 3 nullifies the whole thing.


They need one more clause in the amendment.

"Note to SCOTUS: Money or in-kind transfers is not speech covered in the first amendment".
 
2014-04-30 07:06:59 PM

kidgenius: vernonFL: Okay, I LOLd at "Kochsteria itch"

It sounds like something I picked up from that hooker in Prague.

I like how they laugh at all the libs who bring up the Koch brothers, but then they go on to froth at the mouth about George Soros, Van Jones, and Saul Alinsky.


Lulz.  Even the "libs" were like... "I'm sorry, Paul Alinsky who??"
 
2014-04-30 07:24:09 PM
Another day another TrollHaul piece of garbage.
 
2014-04-30 07:26:17 PM

Diogenes: StrikitRich: Just the other day Harry Reid tried to quarter troops in my spare bedroom!!!

I know it's not Constitutional.  But I could live with it.  Would be the most action I've gotten in months.


Send me the ones that are too straight for you.
 
2014-04-30 07:37:02 PM

cchris_39: Harry Reid wants to limit union contributions?


If the answer is yes, will you contact your representatives and tell them you support the amendment?

Because the answer is yes.
 
2014-04-30 07:46:56 PM

StrikitRich: Just the other day Harry Reid tried to quarter troops in my spare bedroom!!!


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Thanks Obama Reid!
 
2014-04-30 08:08:39 PM
Actual headline on the Washington Post's main page right now:

Harry Reid's Koch problem

 
2014-04-30 08:22:22 PM

nmrsnr: DamnYankees: Given the Court's recent rulings, I don't really see how this would be considered constitutional.

...because it's a constitutional amendment. By definition it would be constitutional.


You beat me to it, but I still think it's asinine to say "That's unconstitutional. Let's add it to the constitution." For instance, flag-desecration amendments.

More to the point, I think it's very much an open debate whether money is speech. I see both sides, but my gut sides with the Dems on this one.
 
2014-04-30 08:27:53 PM

Mercutio74: A constitutional amendment?  Not in this political climate.


Unfortunately, political climate change is a hoax perpetrated by political climatologists so they can keep that sweet grant lucre rolling in. We know the political climate has changed before, but those were natural changes, and there's nothing we can do about the current political climate. Also, Al Gore.
 
2014-04-30 08:33:16 PM

a particular individual: Mercutio74: A constitutional amendment?  Not in this political climate.

Unfortunately, political climate change is a hoax perpetrated by political climatologists so they can keep that sweet grant lucre rolling in. We know the political climate has changed before, but those were natural changes, and there's nothing we can do about the current political climate. Also, Al Gore.


Wow. That approaches Pocket Ninja-levels of poetic political beauty
 
2014-04-30 08:38:11 PM

a particular individual: You beat me to it, but I still think it's asinine to say "That's unconstitutional. Let's add it to the constitution."


Not sure exactly what you mean by that?

If it's constitutional, by definition you don't need an amendment.

Every amendment, after the bill of rights, was unconstitutional.
 
2014-04-30 08:47:09 PM
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Townhall link? Yep. I can resist.
 
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