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2014-04-30 05:01:51 PM

skyotter: HawgWild: I have a theory about the next movie, since everyone likes to complain about the loss of life and wanton destruction in the first movie.

Couldn't all that destruction and loss of life be the setup for Luthor and his mission against Supes? Doesn't that give Luthor a soap box to stand on?

pretty sure that's the prevailing fan theory:  Luthor vows to rebuild Metropolis, and partners with Gotham tycoon Bruce Wayne to do so.  meanwhile, Batman visits Metropolis to find out more about this extra-terrestrial threat who seems to enjoy destroying Earth cities ...


I'd like to believe this theory, I really would, except for one thing:

I doubt very much that the entrenched bureaucracies of Time/Warner's Superman & Batman licensing
offices are going to allow the building of an effective DC Movie universe by the "DC Studios" creative
team.

I hope I'm wrong, but I really haven't seen anything on the DC side that shows me that they get it the
way Marvel does.
 
2014-04-30 05:02:12 PM
Zod WAS intentionally partly sympathetic.   He wasn't just cut and dry evil.   They made it this way to make it interesting.   You could see his point, and feel bad for him.
 
2014-04-30 05:04:28 PM

jrodr018: shut_it_down: You know what I never understood?  Krypton was falling apart everybody knew it.  Yet, they sent the insurrectionists to a safe place instead of... I don't know... absolutely anybody else.  You really want to punish Zod?  Doom him to die on the planet along with everyone else.  Send some nice Kryptonians to netherspace or whatever it's called so that they can survive.

Seems like they were way too myopic for such a civilized race. Seriously, did they only have one scientist and the council did not even listen to their one scientist? And what kind of planet just falls apart so quick? either Jor-El dropped the ball and found out waaaaay too late. Which will mean he sucked as a scientist (he was a good fighter though).

And do not get me started on Pa Kent.


Again, another scene that makes no sense.  The farking DOG can make it back in time, but Pa Kent can't?  And there is literally no way for Superman to walk the few yards and haul him back without giving himself away?  I don't buy that for a second.  He pretzels someguy's truck in a parking lot in broad daylight later.
GOD.  SO DUMB.

And all of the Krypton stuff was so out of place in this movie.  It thematically clashed and felt like an unfinished mini movie.  Maybe that's why none of that stuff makes sense.

I would have been interested maybe if all the Krypton stuff was done in flashbacks, interwoven with the main plot.  They could have expanded it to explain all the inconsistencies and mirrored themes back and forth between Superman and Jor-El.  That at least would have been more intriguing that this movie.

I mean Superman is a morality play.  And the only moral we got was "sometimes you have to kill one guy to save a bunch of others."  Very limp.
 
2014-04-30 05:05:53 PM
Queseda was the one who forced One More Day on us. Screw that guy.
 
2014-04-30 05:06:07 PM

Esc7: The farking DOG can make it back in time, but Pa Kent can't?


I recall his ankle was crushed right before all that.
 
2014-04-30 05:07:33 PM

Esc7: I mean Superman is a morality play. And the only moral we got was "sometimes you have to kill one guy to save a bunch of others." Very limp.


The film was about making choices rather than giving in to destiny.
 
2014-04-30 05:09:43 PM
I like the movie...
 
2014-04-30 05:12:24 PM

Hebalo: Esc7: I mean Superman is a morality play. And the only moral we got was "sometimes you have to kill one guy to save a bunch of others." Very limp.

The film was about making choices rather than giving in to destiny.


I'll buy that.  Superman's choice wasn't very interesting though.  It's only shocking if you've already built up Superman as a boyscout beforehand.

I also don't understand why Zod has to exterminate Earth in order to build his new Krypton.  I know he does want to, and explicitly tells Superman so, but it just seems so...pointless?  Why bother?  Is it the yellow sun thing I guess?
 
2014-04-30 05:15:11 PM

scottydoesntknow: 1) The great General Zod, leader of the Krypton armies, gets his ass handed to him by a scientist. I know there was some fluff about Jor serving under him for a while or something, but there's no way a scientist should be able to kick the ass of a military general who's entire life is dedicated to fighting and killing.


Depends on the scientist:

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2014-04-30 05:15:19 PM

RoyFokker'sGhost: FirstNationalBastard: Joey Q is like Obama saying "Please proceed" to Mitt Romney.

As long as DC keeps doing what they're doing the way they've been doing it this decade, Joey Q and Marvel come out looking golden, no mater how badly they fark up.

As I said when it was revealed that Superman/Batman was going toe-to-toe with Cap 3: DC/WB is playing chicken with Marvel here. And they don't realize that Kevin Feige is blindfolded, has the accelerator floored, and has zero farks let to give.


Pretty much.
 
2014-04-30 05:15:49 PM

scottydoesntknow: 2) Pa Kent's death. Just everything about it.


This is actually the only part of the whole movie that I liked.
 
2014-04-30 05:17:47 PM
For her and his pleasure:

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2014-04-30 05:18:50 PM

HawgWild: I have a theory about the next movie, since everyone likes to complain about the loss of life and wanton destruction in the first movie.

Couldn't all that destruction and loss of life be the setup for Luthor and his mission against Supes? Doesn't that give Luthor a soap box to stand on?


But what if the film had bombed and hadn't been granted a sequel?

I'm surprised it did as well as it did; Snyder somehow managed to make a Superman film more boring than "Superman Returns".
 
2014-04-30 05:23:13 PM
You're a teenager and your mom is a homemaker.  BRB sacrificing myself to sharknado for the dog.
 
2014-04-30 05:28:04 PM

Esc7: shut_it_down: You know what I never understood?  Krypton was falling apart everybody knew it.  Yet, they sent the insurrectionists to a safe place instead of... I don't know... absolutely anybody else.  You really want to punish Zod?  Doom him to die on the planet along with everyone else.  Send some nice Kryptonians to netherspace or whatever it's called so that they can survive.

My number one problem with that movie.

MADE NO SENSE.

And every time Zod gets back on screen, I'm just reminded of how dumb it is.


The movie made a point to show how colossally stupid the leadership on Krypton were.  They ignored Jor-El's dire warnings against drilling to the planet core, they ignored his dire warnings that the planet was gonna blow after they started drilling, they thought reinstating the space program was folly...  Sending Zod like that into exile is just another case in point.
 
2014-04-30 05:31:14 PM

jrodr018: For her and his pleasure:

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Yeah, the dildo rockets cracked me up.
 
2014-04-30 05:39:38 PM

Angela Lansbury's Merkin: Except, we look so much like them, are the same size, they can speak our language and at least on their home planet of Krypton they aren't much more physically capable than us.  The only real difference is scientific progress, and super power under the yellow sun.  Its not that much different, and certainly not on the level of a planet populated by intelligent ants.


That's also our viewpoint. We sometimes freak out when robots look too human. We sometimes even freak out when other real, actual humans don't fit our conceptions of humanity.

The Kryptonians were a pretty advanced race. They genetically engineered themselves, and could engineer themselves to look like anything. They've had to have had a period where they questioned what it means to be sacrosanct life and what's expendable life. Their morality concerning what's held in equal value to Kryptonian life is certainly very different than ours. Zod's was centered very much  on the fact that Kryptonian life held the highest point. It would be like us killing off a wild ape preserve to maintain survival.

Fact is, it was pretty damn established in the movie Zod held the preservation of Krypton life paramount, even at the expense of their planet, the universe, while Jor-El had quite a different, more fatalistic view of Kryptonian supremacy and inclusive view of what life is sacred and worthwhile.

Until the last 1/4 of the movie, Zod's not some evil psychopath, he's very strongly motivated to do his moral duty, which is preserve Kryptonians. Then he just plays the "LOL I'M A PSYCHO" card and seems to enjoy hurting Earthlings, just so Superman can look heroic and have some moral cover.

The point is until the mess of plot that justified the battle royale, it wasn't a bad movie, and had a pretty well-done tragic villain. But the end just mad you shrug and not care that Superman snapped the guy's neck.
 
2014-04-30 05:42:16 PM
I liked the scenes on Krypton although I didn't understand why they didn't try to evacuate some of the populace. They had the technology and the means to save at least some. Maybe they didn't believe Krypton was going to explode?

I didn't have a problem with the mass destruction portrayed in the movie. It's HOW it was portrayed that bothers me or rather the portrayal of Superman and how he relates to it. Ok so Superman isn't a complete boyscout in this movie. He can be vindictive and petty. He's emotional at times, prone to rage, and doesn't always consider the consequences of his actions. Like when he jumped Zod at the farm and drove him through a couple cornfields bringing the fight right into the middle of downtown Smallville. He brought the fight to a populated area and left his mom alone with some other Kyptonians in the process. Not a bright idea. Total lack of concern there. And they didn't try to use her against him. Once they realized how much he cares for the people of Earth(supposedly) why wouldn't they use that against him? I thought he could have done more to at least try to mitigate some of the damage. I would have liked it if he'd displayed more concern about the destruction and loss of life during the fight in Metropolis.

Also, when Superman is on their ship he loses his powers because he starts breathing the Kryptonian atmosphere and yet when the Kryptonians are running around in environmental suits they're breathing their own air but they still have superpowers? And he still has his powers when he's in space and not breathing anything at all so does the Earth's atmosphere give superpowers or not? I always thought it was the sun that gave him his power.

That movie could have been SO much better than it was.
 
2014-04-30 05:43:50 PM

palladiate: Until the last 1/4 of the movie, Zod's not some evil psychopath, he's very strongly motivated to do his moral duty, which is preserve Kryptonians. Then he just plays the "LOL I'M A PSYCHO" card and seems to enjoy hurting Earthlings, just so Superman can look heroic and have some moral cover.


I just figured he was on a short fuse already, and when he saw all his hopes for a New Krypton dashed, he just had a meltdown and lashed out at Kal-El for destroying all hope for Krypton.
 
2014-04-30 05:47:04 PM

MechaPyx: Like when he jumped Zod at the farm and drove him through a couple cornfields bringing the fight right into the middle of downtown Smallville. He brought the fight to a populated area and left his mom alone with some other Kyptonians in the process. Not a bright idea. Total lack of concern there


If you watch that scene again, you'll see that the U.S. Military was arguably responsible for most of the destruction in Smallville.
 
2014-04-30 05:49:49 PM

Mad_Radhu: palladiate: Until the last 1/4 of the movie, Zod's not some evil psychopath, he's very strongly motivated to do his moral duty, which is preserve Kryptonians. Then he just plays the "LOL I'M A PSYCHO" card and seems to enjoy hurting Earthlings, just so Superman can look heroic and have some moral cover.

I just figured he was on a short fuse already, and when he saw all his hopes for a New Krypton dashed, he just had a meltdown and lashed out at Kal-El for destroying all hope for Krypton.


True enough. But that makes me dislike this Superman even more. It means that Kryptonians are invincible rage-monsters just waiting to snap like Zod. Or Superman, snapping Zod's neck.

Sign me up with Lex Luthor to kick him off the planet.
 
2014-04-30 05:50:00 PM

Esc7: I also don't understand why Zod has to exterminate Earth in order to build his new Krypton.


He was focused entirely on his duty and for him the ends justify the means. Humanity meant nothing to him. All he saw was an available resource he could use to rebuild Krypton. He saw no reason to keep searching for another planet when a suitable one was right in front of him.
 
2014-04-30 05:50:11 PM
good superpower movie
off target superman movie

the destruction of metropolis made me think of miracleman vs kid miracleman more than it did any superman story.
 
2014-04-30 05:52:15 PM

palladiate: Mad_Radhu: palladiate: Until the last 1/4 of the movie, Zod's not some evil psychopath, he's very strongly motivated to do his moral duty, which is preserve Kryptonians. Then he just plays the "LOL I'M A PSYCHO" card and seems to enjoy hurting Earthlings, just so Superman can look heroic and have some moral cover.

I just figured he was on a short fuse already, and when he saw all his hopes for a New Krypton dashed, he just had a meltdown and lashed out at Kal-El for destroying all hope for Krypton.

True enough. But that makes me dislike this Superman even more. It means that Kryptonians are invincible rage-monsters just waiting to snap like Zod. Or Superman, snapping Zod's neck.

Sign me up with Lex Luthor to kick him off the planet.


Or, yaknow, maybe it's just the breeding-for-aggression in the Soldier phenotype in their artificial breeding program?  It's an example of Jor-El's belief that being bred for a specific purpose blinds you to other options.
 
2014-04-30 05:55:48 PM

scottydoesntknow: 1) The great General Zod, leader of the Krypton armies, gets his ass handed to him by a scientist. I know there was some fluff about Jor serving under him for a while or something, but there's no way a scientist should be able to kick the ass of a military general who's entire life is dedicated to fighting and killing.


Maybe the General of a future society that doesn't do a lot of hand to hand fighting?
 
2014-04-30 05:56:44 PM
I always preferred the Red Son story in regards to why an advanced species like the Kryptonians let their planet blow up.

They had literally accomplished everything there was to accompish. Eradicated all forms of disease, increased their lifespan to practically being immortal, even exploring the afterline as 'necronauts'. They invented everything there was possibly there to invent -- and I think their civilization reached a point where really all they could do at that point that hadn't be done yet was die.

Not unlike Superman, who can do more or less everything -- except die (well, permanently anyway).
 
2014-04-30 06:07:49 PM

Hebalo: scottydoesntknow: 1) The great General Zod, leader of the Krypton armies, gets his ass handed to him by a scientist. I know there was some fluff about Jor serving under him for a while or something, but there's no way a scientist should be able to kick the ass of a military general who's entire life is dedicated to fighting and killing.

Maybe the General of a future society that doesn't do a lot of hand to hand fighting?


That doesn't jive with the "I was bred to fight and you're just a farmboy" speech during the final battle. Stop making excuses. The movie was a mess. It's fine to say you liked it, I can't disagree with that. But all these crazy twisted explanations the fans give to explain away the discrepancies like they're trying to win a no-prize doesn't help their cause.

"But maybe they will address the destruction with Luthor/Batman in the sequel." Yeah, they will now that it's become an issue. But in the movie I saw they didn't touch on it. They went to a baseball game.
 
2014-04-30 06:13:25 PM

palladiate: Mad_Radhu: palladiate: Until the last 1/4 of the movie, Zod's not some evil psychopath, he's very strongly motivated to do his moral duty, which is preserve Kryptonians. Then he just plays the "LOL I'M A PSYCHO" card and seems to enjoy hurting Earthlings, just so Superman can look heroic and have some moral cover.

I just figured he was on a short fuse already, and when he saw all his hopes for a New Krypton dashed, he just had a meltdown and lashed out at Kal-El for destroying all hope for Krypton.

True enough. But that makes me dislike this Superman even more. It means that Kryptonians are invincible rage-monsters just waiting to snap like Zod. Or Superman, snapping Zod's neck.

Sign me up with Lex Luthor to kick him off the planet.


every kryptonian that isn't superman, Supergirl, or power girl, is a total dick.
 
2014-04-30 06:15:58 PM

Fafai: Hebalo: scottydoesntknow: 1) The great General Zod, leader of the Krypton armies, gets his ass handed to him by a scientist. I know there was some fluff about Jor serving under him for a while or something, but there's no way a scientist should be able to kick the ass of a military general who's entire life is dedicated to fighting and killing.

Maybe the General of a future society that doesn't do a lot of hand to hand fighting?

That doesn't jive with the "I was bred to fight and you're just a farmboy" speech during the final battle. Stop making excuses. The movie was a mess. It's fine to say you liked it, I can't disagree with that. But all these crazy twisted explanations the fans give to explain away the discrepancies like they're trying to win a no-prize doesn't help their cause.

"But maybe they will address the destruction with Luthor/Batman in the sequel." Yeah, they will now that it's become an issue. But in the movie I saw they didn't touch on it. They went to a baseball game.


Whoa, easy there, I was just killing time until the end of the work day.

Personally, I loved this movie. But I'm cool with people not liking it.
 
2014-04-30 06:17:36 PM

Fano: every kryptonian that isn't superman, Supergirl, or power girl, is a total dick.


I don't know. Superdickery has plenty of examples of them beings dicks too.
 
2014-04-30 06:21:26 PM

Esc7: I mean Superman is a morality play. And the only moral we got was "sometimes you have to kill one guy to save a bunch of others."


At the end of the day, most people have two arms.

At the end of the day, there are single breasted suits and double breasted suits.

At the end of the day, they don't think it be like it is, but it do.
 
2014-04-30 06:23:09 PM

Confabulat: I thought his plan was to murder every person on Earth. But maybe I was drunk.


His plan was to get the genetic codex from Superman's cells and use the planet building machine to terraform the planet to be closer to be like Krypton, for some reason they never bothered to explain why he had to kill everyone on Earth in order to do so instead of taking the terraforming machine to Mars.  I guess he really liked the lived in look of the planet.
 
2014-04-30 06:24:57 PM

Lumbar Puncture: Confabulat: I thought his plan was to murder every person on Earth. But maybe I was drunk.

His plan was to get the genetic codex from Superman's cells and use the planet building machine to terraform the planet to be closer to be like Krypton, for some reason they never bothered to explain why he had to kill everyone on Earth in order to do so instead of taking the terraforming machine to Mars.  I guess he really liked the lived in look of the planet.


Mars was part of a cosmic HOA. Can you really say you blame him for picking Earth?
 
2014-04-30 06:25:39 PM

MechaPyx: Also, when Superman is on their ship he loses his powers because he starts breathing the Kryptonian atmosphere and yet when the Kryptonians are running around in environmental suits they're breathing their own air but they still have superpowers? And he still has his powers when he's in space and not breathing anything at all so does the Earth's atmosphere give superpowers or not? I always thought it was the sun that gave him his power.


Okay, I'm with you on this one.
 
2014-04-30 06:32:38 PM
I know I'm late to the party, and didn't read all the posts, but yeah, I get where people are saying that it was drawn out pretty well in the scene where Kal is standing on millions of human skulls.


My problem with the whole story was (well one of) that if I recall correctly, the terraforming of other stars failed (when Zod and his crew returned from the Phantom Zone) because those colonies lost connection to Krypton when it was destroyed.

So, wouldn't this new terraformed world just essentially be another failed system?
 
2014-04-30 06:36:48 PM
Righ here, I knew my money had been wasted.
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 Jor El on the Dragon.
 
2014-04-30 06:39:13 PM

Lumbar Puncture: Confabulat: I thought his plan was to murder every person on Earth. But maybe I was drunk.

His plan was to get the genetic codex from Superman's cells and use the planet building machine to terraform the planet to be closer to be like Krypton, for some reason they never bothered to explain why he had to kill everyone on Earth in order to do so instead of taking the terraforming machine to Mars.  I guess he really liked the lived in look of the planet.


The Kryptonians had sent multiple probes out to find terraformable planets, but all of those colonies failed.  Earth was the only planet Zod was able to find that was an effective template.
 
2014-04-30 06:45:41 PM
With all the people that died, it wasn't convincing that Superman was so intent on saving the random people in the corner.  It would have been more believable if Lois was one of them.

Also, why couldn't Superman just put his hand over Zod's eyes?
 
2014-04-30 06:46:48 PM

peterthx: /I wouldn't be ashamed either


I would. That movie was garbage.
 
2014-04-30 06:49:21 PM

buntz: With all the people that died, it wasn't convincing that Superman was so intent on saving the random people in the corner.  It would have been more believable if Lois was one of them.

Also, why couldn't Superman just put his hand over Zod's eyes?


That shiat would hurt, Yo!
 
2014-04-30 06:51:31 PM
I listened to the podcast, and the Winter Soldier chat was far more interesting.
 
2014-04-30 06:52:25 PM

buntz: With all the people that died, it wasn't convincing that Superman was so intent on saving the random people in the corner.  It would have been more believable if Lois was one of them.

Also, why couldn't Superman just put his hand over Zod's eyes?


I don't think that would have been a viable solution. I think Superman killing the guy was against his character, but I think part of the underlying tension in that scene isn't that Superman could not have momentarily saved those people by covering his eyes or what have you -- it's that nothing would have stopped him from resuming his quest to kill humanity whenever Clark eventually had to take his hands off of his eyes.

He didn't have the means to send him back to his prison, and there were no facilities around to contain someone like Zod. The momentary safety of the people was a superficial issue on top of the deeper problem that there was nothing stopping Zod from taking his genocide back up even if he was temporarily stopped that day.
 
2014-04-30 06:54:45 PM

buntz: With all the people that died, it wasn't convincing that Superman was so intent on saving the random people in the corner.  It would have been more believable if Lois was one of them.

Also, why couldn't Superman just put his hand over Zod's eyes?


Or pick him up and fly away, or pull him down to where his eyes were turned away from the people, etc etc.

HawgWild: MechaPyx: Also, when Superman is on their ship he loses his powers because he starts breathing the Kryptonian atmosphere and yet when the Kryptonians are running around in environmental suits they're breathing their own air but they still have superpowers? And he still has his powers when he's in space and not breathing anything at all so does the Earth's atmosphere give superpowers or not? I always thought it was the sun that gave him his power.

Okay, I'm with you on this one.


That.
 
2014-04-30 06:55:04 PM

buntz: With all the people that died, it wasn't convincing that Superman was so intent on saving the random people in the corner.  It would have been more believable if Lois was one of them.

Also, why couldn't Superman just put his hand over Zod's eyes?


Maybe if Zod's death had been accidental.  Like Zod's firing his heat vision, and Superman counters it by firing back with his own heat vision.  Maybe Supeman is in a position of self preservation?  And then it becomes a battles of wills, and in the end, Superman's proves too great, even for the inexperienced Superman to comprehend.   Maybe Zod is briefly distracted by Lois, and Superman accidently fries his brain.  Snyder can still have his "Superman murders" ending, but there exists sympathy for Superman on the audiences' part.
 
2014-04-30 06:57:08 PM

jrodr018: For her and his pleasure:

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Is it really so hard to make movie rockets with realistic engines? There isn't enough power in those engines to lift a farking gnat, to hell with a giant dildo. It's not like we don't know what a rocket trail look like. But, no, they have to go with the slow cloudy shiat.
 
2014-04-30 06:59:36 PM

Weatherkiss: I don't think that would have been a viable solution. I think Superman killing the guy was against his character,


No, I know he HAD to kill him because he would not stop, I'm just saying THAT wasn't the "last straw" as far as I'm concerned.  I mean, he killed so many more people using the terraforming machine, burning 3 or 4 people (who, by the way, could have ducked under the heat vision) didn't seem like a "deal breaker"

But if Lois was the one in danger, then it makes more sense.

And I liked that this was an origin story for Superman.  Pretend you never heard of the guy.  So as far as we're concerned, he didn't have a "character" to go against.
I like to think because he HAD to kill Zod, and how it made it feel, this is were he comes up with his 'no killing' code!

Hell, people didn't biatch this much about Burton's Batman.  He killed TONS of people (Jesus, he put a bomb in a clowns pants and threw him in the sewer!!)
 
2014-04-30 07:00:56 PM

Angela Lansbury's Merkin: palladiate: Completely true, but with a caveat. You have to imagine that to Zod, this would be like the last few humans showing up on another planet, and finding not only their salvation, but finding it full of interesting and maybe, kind-of smart ants, and one hippie telling you "No, man, the ants are, like, my friends. We should live here and make ant babies with them."

Except, we look so much like them, are the same size


Didn't stop the US from trying to eradicate the Native Americans. Or any other colonial power from wiping out the locals.
 
2014-04-30 07:03:48 PM
"Man of Steel . . . was uninspiring." -Batman

Truth.
 
2014-04-30 07:04:48 PM

MechaPyx: Esc7: I also don't understand why Zod has to exterminate Earth in order to build his new Krypton.

He was focused entirely on his duty and for him the ends justify the means. Humanity meant nothing to him. All he saw was an available resource he could use to rebuild Krypton. He saw no reason to keep searching for another planet when a suitable one was right in front of him.


With the yellow sun right there hey could have terraformed (kryptoformed?) Venus. It might have taken longer, but they had the technology and now the super powers.
 
2014-04-30 07:05:11 PM

HawgWild: MechaPyx: Also, when Superman is on their ship he loses his powers because he starts breathing the Kryptonian atmosphere and yet when the Kryptonians are running around in environmental suits they're breathing their own air but they still have superpowers? And he still has his powers when he's in space and not breathing anything at all so does the Earth's atmosphere give superpowers or not? I always thought it was the sun that gave him his power.

Okay, I'm with you on this one.


I know this is a bit of a leap, but I took that as being somewhat Kryptonite related since it had similar effects on Superman. While it was certainly not a perfect film, I don't think it defied logic for someone viewing with a reasonable superhero movie suspension of disbelief.
 
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