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(The Mary Sue)   Marvel Comics president Joe Quesada says he rooted for Zod all through Man of Steel   (themarysue.com) divider line 242
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2014-04-30 01:35:48 PM  
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This is going to be a fun thread...
 
2014-04-30 01:37:37 PM  
Wow.

He sat through Man of Steel. That's impressive.
 
2014-04-30 01:39:59 PM  
Joe Quesada is a farking scumbag and should die in a horrible fiery plane crash.
 
2014-04-30 01:41:52 PM  

ManateeGag: Joe Quesada is a farking scumbag and should die in a horrible fiery plane crash.


If it's for OMD/BND, I can't argue against that.

Otherwise no, not really.

JerseyTim: Wow.

He sat through Man of Steel. That's impressive.


This; I'm surprised he didn't react to Pa Kent's death without LOLing or getting angry.
 
2014-04-30 01:51:53 PM  
Piece of shiat watches piece of shiat and complains about it.
 
2014-04-30 02:26:28 PM  
"He was a zealot of sorts, but he was a zealot... again, correct me if I'm wrong... but he didn't say, 'I want to rebuild Krypton, and then come back and destroy this little planet. All I want is to rebuild this planet. And the only reason I'm blowing everything to bits here is because you've got what I want, and you're not giving it to me. So please, give me my people, and I'll leave.'"

So he watched a different movie?
 
2014-04-30 02:26:44 PM  
Man of Steel was a perfectly cromulent movie ...
 
2014-04-30 02:28:51 PM  
I thought his plan was to murder every person on Earth. But maybe I was drunk.
 
2014-04-30 02:32:49 PM  
Joey Q is like Obama saying "Please proceed" to Mitt Romney.

As long as DC keeps doing what they're doing the way they've been doing it this decade, Joey Q and Marvel come out looking golden, no mater how badly they fark up.
 
2014-04-30 02:41:56 PM  

Confabulat: I thought his plan was to murder every person on Earth. But maybe I was drunk.


That's what I thought but I had trouble tracking the conversation when Faora-Ul was on the screen.
 
2014-04-30 02:43:47 PM  

Blues_X: "He was a zealot of sorts, but he was a zealot... again, correct me if I'm wrong... but he didn't say, 'I want to rebuild Krypton, and then come back and destroy this little planet. All I want is to rebuild this planet. And the only reason I'm blowing everything to bits here is because you've got what I want, and you're not giving it to me. So please, give me my people, and I'll leave.'"

So he watched a different movie?


he was probably fantasizing about ways to fark up other Marvel Heroes.  Maybe turn Captain America into a Ninja
 
2014-04-30 02:45:18 PM  

Blues_X: So he watched a different movie?


Who knows. I've watched the movie three times and I'm still lost on what the movie was trying to say.

It SEEMED like a normal Superman story, where Supes was facing down a complex moral issue bounded on one side by massive devastation, uncountable death tolls, and genocide, and on the other by a tragic figure who was raised from birth and built with tailored DNA to achieve one thing, the continuation of his people by any means necessary.

Superman's struggle should have been "how do I resolve this without complete destruction of half the planet in a giant battle royale and likely killing the last Kryptonians because they're rather dead-set on their plans?" Except he didn't really struggle with this. That's the exact option he chose, because Snyder thinks that just looking heroic and good makes you heroic and good. Superman knows the difference.

Superman was always compelling when his skillset was worthless to the problems at hand. And frankly, how often is the ability to punch a bad guy in the fast faster than the speed of sound all that handy? He's famously bemoaned the fact that his natural physical potential is in fact a major limitation, the best depiction was the "World of Cardboard" speech from the Justice League cartoon.

I'm not a huge fan of Supes, but he's more than a dumb brute whose only gift is wrecking a world made of cardboard, filled with McGuffins that let him stomp around it like Godzilla. That's why the movie sucked and so many people can't recall the finer plot points that tied those McGuffins together.
 
2014-04-30 02:48:01 PM  

ManateeGag: Blues_X: "He was a zealot of sorts, but he was a zealot... again, correct me if I'm wrong... but he didn't say, 'I want to rebuild Krypton, and then come back and destroy this little planet. All I want is to rebuild this planet. And the only reason I'm blowing everything to bits here is because you've got what I want, and you're not giving it to me. So please, give me my people, and I'll leave.'"

So he watched a different movie?

he was probably fantasizing about ways to fark up other Marvel Heroes.  Maybe turn Captain America into a Ninja


Couldn't be any worse than Rick Remender's run on the book.
 
2014-04-30 02:48:44 PM  

Confabulat: I thought his plan was to murder every person on Earth. But maybe I was drunk.


Yea, not sure where Quesada is coming from. Zod flat out states (after being asked what would happen to earth if Superman surrendered): "A foundation has to be built on something. Even your father recognized that." and then they showed a vision with millions of human skeletons all over the ground and Superman does a big "NOOOOO".

A lot of problems with that movie, but Zod's intentions were to exterminate the human race and terraform earth to Krypton standards.
 
2014-04-30 02:56:33 PM  

scottydoesntknow: Confabulat: I thought his plan was to murder every person on Earth. But maybe I was drunk.

Yea, not sure where Quesada is coming from. Zod flat out states (after being asked what would happen to earth if Superman surrendered): "A foundation has to be built on something. Even your father recognized that." and then they showed a vision with millions of human skeletons all over the ground and Superman does a big "NOOOOO".

A lot of problems with that movie, but Zod's intentions were to exterminate the human race and terraform earth to Krypton standards.


Completely true, but with a caveat. You have to imagine that to Zod, this would be like the last few humans showing up on another planet, and finding not only their salvation, but finding it full of interesting and maybe, kind-of smart ants, and one hippie telling you "No, man, the ants are, like, my friends. We should live here and make ant babies with them."

Of course we're seeing the story through our lens, but seriously, Kryptonian badasses are going to look at the situation this way. We look at it this way. We've wiped out species for less, and Kryptonians are pretty well known for being completely un-reflective of consequences.
 
2014-04-30 03:02:10 PM  
Screw the hate....I liked the movie.
 
2014-04-30 03:20:07 PM  

HawgWild: Man of Steel was a perfectly cromulent movie ...


I liked the part where Zod quoned Superman.
 
2014-04-30 03:20:56 PM  

palladiate: Completely true, but with a caveat. You have to imagine that to Zod, this would be like the last few humans showing up on another planet, and finding not only their salvation, but finding it full of interesting and maybe, kind-of smart ants, and one hippie telling you "No, man, the ants are, like, my friends. We should live here and make ant babies with them."


Except, we look so much like them, are the same size, they can speak our language and at least on their home planet of Krypton they aren't much more physically capable than us.  The only real difference is scientific progress, and super power under the yellow sun.  Its not that much different, and certainly not on the level of a planet populated by intelligent ants.
 
2014-04-30 03:32:23 PM  
The 3 biggest issues I had with the movie.

1) The great General Zod, leader of the Krypton armies, gets his ass handed to him by a scientist. I know there was some fluff about Jor serving under him for a while or something, but there's no way a scientist should be able to kick the ass of a military general who's entire life is dedicated to fighting and killing.

2) Pa Kent's death. Just everything about it.

3) You have Zod, laying helpless on the ground from sensory overload, and Superman tells him EXACTLY how to deal with it. When your enemy is writhing on the ground, you don't tell him how to recover! That's like War 101.
 
2014-04-30 03:44:12 PM  

scottydoesntknow: a scientist.


but it was Russell Crowe, fightin' 'round the universe.

scottydoesntknow: When your enemy is writhing on the ground, you don't tell him how to recover!


but that's Superman.  big farking boyscout.  too nice for his own good.
 
2014-04-30 03:47:25 PM  

scottydoesntknow: 2) Pa Kent's death. Just everything about it.


I'm not ashamed to say I really liked Man of Steel. I thought it was a pretty cool modern take on the cheesiest of superheros.

But the Pa Kent death scene would have fit better in The Quest for Peace. It just makes no sense at all and completely confuses whatever Clark was supposed to be learning from his Earth Dad anyway. Maybe that's why he has so many issues later. He was raised by a dumbass.
 
2014-04-30 04:16:13 PM  

ManateeGag: scottydoesntknow: a scientist.

but it was Russell Crowe, fightin' 'round the universe.



Making movies, making songs, and fightin' 'round the 'verse!

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2014-04-30 04:16:37 PM  
Supes had the acting skills of a crumpet but my god what a beefcake.


/not mine.
 
2014-04-30 04:16:55 PM  

palladiate: Superman was always compelling when his skillset was worthless to the problems at hand. And frankly, how often is the ability to punch a bad guy in the fast faster than the speed of sound all that handy? He's famously bemoaned the fact that his natural physical potential is in fact a major limitation, the best depiction was the "World of Cardboard" speech from the Justice League cartoon.

I'm not a huge fan of Supes, but he's more than a dumb brute whose only gift is wrecking a world made of cardboard, filled with McGuffins that let him stomp around it like Godzilla. That's why the movie sucked and so many people can't recall the finer plot points that tied those McGuffins together.


Very much this.

In fact, its why Lex Luthor in DCAU was one of Superman's most compelling villains.
 
2014-04-30 04:18:53 PM  
I have a theory about the next movie, since everyone likes to complain about the loss of life and wanton destruction in the first movie.

Couldn't all that destruction and loss of life be the setup for Luthor and his mission against Supes? Doesn't that give Luthor a soap box to stand on?
 
2014-04-30 04:25:06 PM  

The_Sponge: Screw the hate....I liked the movie.


You aren't alone; so did most of /r/superman, for what that's worth.

I think that people really got freaked out by the realistic destruction in the third act but, I really liked the take on the Superman story. I found it refreshing to have a story that probed how Clark becomes Superman. And I really wasn't bothered by the scale of the fights given that you see that level of combat in comics all the bloody time. (But, yeah... with realistic CGI, I think it tapped into people's 9/11 zone.)

The one major complaint I have is that I just did NOT get Pa Kent's actions in this version. Honestly, I have to think of this as an alternate Superman who was raised by a really bad father who had a very weird view on what lessons his invulnerable son needed. On the other hand, it explains why Clarks perspective is a bit messed up and why it takes him time to figure out how to be a hero.
 
2014-04-30 04:26:40 PM  

Confabulat: I'm not ashamed to say I really liked Man of Steel.


All the good stuff you complain about and you liked THIS?

/I wouldn't be ashamed either...but nor would I admit it
 
2014-04-30 04:27:29 PM  

peterthx: Confabulat: I'm not ashamed to say I really liked Man of Steel.

All the good stuff you complain about and you liked THIS?

/I wouldn't be ashamed either...but nor would I admit it


What's the good stuff I complain about? I typically err on the side of fanboy.
 
2014-04-30 04:27:41 PM  
Of course the head of Marvel wants Superman to die...it's called, "eliminating your competition".
 
2014-04-30 04:28:28 PM  
Watched it with the wife on HBOGO the other night. The movie was far from perfect but it really did have some good parts, mainly the flashbacks and Krypton prologue. They somehow managed to make Amy Adams not hot, at all. Overall it was still light years better than Superman Returns.
 
2014-04-30 04:33:27 PM  

The_Sponge: Screw the hate....I liked the movie.


You will always have a seat at my table.........brother.
 
2014-04-30 04:33:52 PM  
Way to be petty Joe Quesadilla
/sorry if that came out racist
 
2014-04-30 04:34:42 PM  

FirstNationalBastard: Joey Q is like Obama saying "Please proceed" to Mitt Romney.

As long as DC keeps doing what they're doing the way they've been doing it this decade, Joey Q and Marvel come out looking golden, no mater how badly they fark up.


Indeed, absolutely no need to talk smack about the dudes who can't measure up to you at the moment.
 
2014-04-30 04:35:05 PM  

peterthx: Confabulat: I'm not ashamed to say I really liked Man of Steel.

All the good stuff you complain about and you liked THIS?

/I wouldn't be ashamed either...but nor would I admit it


I liked it.

But then again, I'm not a raging aspie that picks apart every comic book movie as if it were a thesis paper
 
2014-04-30 04:35:05 PM  
You know what I never understood?  Krypton was falling apart everybody knew it.  Yet, they sent the insurrectionists to a safe place instead of... I don't know... absolutely anybody else.  You really want to punish Zod?  Doom him to die on the planet along with everyone else.  Send some nice Kryptonians to netherspace or whatever it's called so that they can survive.
 
2014-04-30 04:37:29 PM  

farkingismybusiness: HawgWild: Man of Steel was a perfectly cromulent movie ...

I liked the part where Zod quoned Superman.


It certainly embiggened the story.
 
2014-04-30 04:37:38 PM  

HawgWild: I have a theory about the next movie, since everyone likes to complain about the loss of life and wanton destruction in the first movie.

Couldn't all that destruction and loss of life be the setup for Luthor and his mission against Supes? Doesn't that give Luthor a soap box to stand on?


pretty sure that's the prevailing fan theory:  Luthor vows to rebuild Metropolis, and partners with Gotham tycoon Bruce Wayne to do so.  meanwhile, Batman visits Metropolis to find out more about this extra-terrestrial threat who seems to enjoy destroying Earth cities ...
 
2014-04-30 04:38:32 PM  
Christopher Reeve's Superman also murdered Zod and his associates you know. I wonder why people forget that.

Also, Michael Keaton's Batman murdered Joker.

Remember that? Why so serious?
 
2014-04-30 04:42:32 PM  

Confabulat: Christopher Reeve's Superman also murdered Zod and his associates you know. I wonder why people forget that.

Also, Michael Keaton's Batman murdered Joker.

Remember that? Why so serious?


No, you're wrong.

But I'm not going to prove it for you.
 
2014-04-30 04:42:51 PM  

Confabulat: Also, Michael Keaton's Batman murdered Joker.


And all the workers at Axis chemicals when he bombed the factory, and the henchmen he threw down the bell tower. And the Penguin.

At least George Clooney's Batman got the whole don't kill thing right.
 
2014-04-30 04:43:55 PM  

scottydoesntknow: The 3 biggest issues I had with the movie.

1) The great General Zod, leader of the Krypton armies, gets his ass handed to him by a scientist. I know there was some fluff about Jor serving under him for a while or something, but there's no way a scientist should be able to kick the ass of a military general who's entire life is dedicated to fighting and killing.

2) Pa Kent's death. Just everything about it.

3) You have Zod, laying helpless on the ground from sensory overload, and Superman tells him EXACTLY how to deal with it. When your enemy is writhing on the ground, you don't tell him how to recover! That's like War 101.


1. The Flash, Batman, Reed Richards, Black Panther, Iron Man, Spider-Man, Beast......... All scientists capable of kicking ass.

2. Yeah, they farked up Pa pretty bad. I could almost interpret him just wanting Clark to save people only in secret until that tornado scene.

3. Haven't seen it in a while, but were they fighting yet at that point? Or did Zod reveal his terraforming skull dream to Supes at that point?
 
2014-04-30 04:44:53 PM  

nitefallz: Confabulat: Christopher Reeve's Superman also murdered Zod and his associates you know. I wonder why people forget that.

Also, Michael Keaton's Batman murdered Joker.

Remember that? Why so serious?

No, you're wrong.

But I'm not going to prove it for you.


Are you going to explain that when Reeve's Zod fell into the bottomless pit in the Fortress of Solitude that just magically sent him to the Phantom Zone or something?

Cause that's some bullshiat. Reeve's Superman straight up took their powers and killed all three in like a minute.
 
2014-04-30 04:50:26 PM  

shut_it_down: You know what I never understood?  Krypton was falling apart everybody knew it.  Yet, they sent the insurrectionists to a safe place instead of... I don't know... absolutely anybody else.  You really want to punish Zod?  Doom him to die on the planet along with everyone else.  Send some nice Kryptonians to netherspace or whatever it's called so that they can survive.


Seems like they were way too myopic for such a civilized race. Seriously, did they only have one scientist and the council did not even listen to their one scientist? And what kind of planet just falls apart so quick? either Jor-El dropped the ball and found out waaaaay too late. Which will mean he sucked as a scientist (he was a good fighter though).

And do not get me started on Pa Kent.
 
2014-04-30 04:50:49 PM  

Crotchrocket Slim: FirstNationalBastard: Joey Q is like Obama saying "Please proceed" to Mitt Romney.

As long as DC keeps doing what they're doing the way they've been doing it this decade, Joey Q and Marvel come out looking golden, no mater how badly they fark up.

Indeed, absolutely no need to talk smack about the dudes who can't measure up to you at the moment.


Is that a fat joke?
 
2014-04-30 04:53:11 PM  

Confabulat: nitefallz: Confabulat: Christopher Reeve's Superman also murdered Zod and his associates you know. I wonder why people forget that.

Also, Michael Keaton's Batman murdered Joker.

Remember that? Why so serious?

No, you're wrong.

But I'm not going to prove it for you.

Are you going to explain that when Reeve's Zod fell into the bottomless pit in the Fortress of Solitude that just magically sent him to the Phantom Zone or something?

Cause that's some bullshiat. Reeve's Superman straight up took their powers and killed all three in like a minute.


In the script and a deleted scene they were arrested.  They lost their powers but didn't fall into nothingness.
 
2014-04-30 04:55:35 PM  

nitefallz: In the script and a deleted scene they were arrested.  They lost their powers but didn't fall into nothingness.


Well I don't watch early versions of scripts. Otherwise we'd be here talking about Anakin Starkiller today.
 
2014-04-30 04:57:02 PM  

FirstNationalBastard: Joey Q is like Obama saying "Please proceed" to Mitt Romney.

As long as DC keeps doing what they're doing the way they've been doing it this decade, Joey Q and Marvel come out looking golden, no mater how badly they fark up.


As I said when it was revealed that Superman/Batman was going toe-to-toe with Cap 3: DC/WB is playing chicken with Marvel here. And they don't realize that Kevin Feige is blindfolded, has the accelerator floored, and has zero farks let to give.
 
2014-04-30 04:58:03 PM  

shut_it_down: You know what I never understood?  Krypton was falling apart everybody knew it.  Yet, they sent the insurrectionists to a safe place instead of... I don't know... absolutely anybody else.  You really want to punish Zod?  Doom him to die on the planet along with everyone else.  Send some nice Kryptonians to netherspace or whatever it's called so that they can survive.


My number one problem with that movie.

MADE NO SENSE.

And every time Zod gets back on screen, I'm just reminded of how dumb it is.
 
2014-04-30 04:59:19 PM  

RoyFokker'sGhost: As I said when it was revealed that Superman/Batman was going toe-to-toe with Cap 3: DC/WB is playing chicken with Marvel here. And they don't realize that Kevin Feige is blindfolded, has the accelerator floored, and has zero farks let to give.


http://www.denofgeek.us/movies/star-wars-episode-vii/234953/could-st ar -wars-episode-vii-move-to-may-2016

Looks like Disney may the first to blink.
 
2014-04-30 05:01:05 PM  

Esc7: shut_it_down: You know what I never understood?  Krypton was falling apart everybody knew it.  Yet, they sent the insurrectionists to a safe place instead of... I don't know... absolutely anybody else.  You really want to punish Zod?  Doom him to die on the planet along with everyone else.  Send some nice Kryptonians to netherspace or whatever it's called so that they can survive.

My number one problem with that movie.

MADE NO SENSE.

And every time Zod gets back on screen, I'm just reminded of how dumb it is.


The huge black Dildo Pods were awesome.
 
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