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2014-04-30 07:20:01 PM  

DesertCoyote: Prodi


I went to college in Thibodaux, Louisiana, and people at my little tiny backwards university were listening to Prodigy in 1992.

Also Lords of Acid and Mc900 Foot Jesus.

The early 1990s had a huge rave scene where the kids were pumping out all the jams, and club djs still had the smooth electronica/house thing going on without all the screeching.

I think maybe you were a little too mainstream is all.
 
2014-04-30 09:32:01 PM  

Tyrosine: neilbradley: JudgeItoBox: Besides grunge music, there is absolutely nothing to be nostalgic over regarding the 90s.

Fixed that for ya. I was in my 20s then, and was absolutely disgusted with 90s music and the culture of mediocrity, and still am bitter about it.

I was in my 20s too. The most obvious high point to the 90s is that they were better than the 80s.


The 80s may have been shiat in a lot of ways, but it was probably the last decade from where there emerged any lasting iconic style.

Just think about cars: can you seriously imagine any lasting designs from the 90s onward?  As technologically superior as they are, the Aventador and Italia are utterly forgettable compared to the LP500 and 288 GTO, let alone designs from the 60s.  And I don't think it's too early to tell--the 80s were "The 80s" by 2000, easily.  There has been plenty of quality, just nothing with visual staying power for some reason.  Everything is too CAD-driven, plasticky, and ephemeral.  Other arts are also either too tech-driven, or compromised by hipster self-referential ironicism.
 
2014-04-30 09:43:58 PM  
I still have some gasoline receipts from 1997. Gas was 89 cents a gallon.
 
2014-04-30 09:56:30 PM  
The 90s were awesome. Pretty much everything was better then than now.
 
2014-04-30 10:08:36 PM  

Yankees Team Gynecologist: Just think about cars: can you seriously imagine any lasting designs from the 90s onward?  As technologically superior as they are, the Aventador and Italia are utterly forgettable compared to the LP500 and 288 GTO, let alone designs from the 60s.


You're dead wrong on that.  The Italia is the most beautiful Ferrari besides the 250 GTO, hands down.

The Aventador is the best car Lamborghini have ever made, both visually and from an engineering standpoint.

The Countach is one of the worst cars ever.  It's only memorable because it looked so different from everything else.

There are tons of car designs that are going to be remembered from the 90s onward.

The best road car ever made was the McLaren F1.
 
2014-04-30 11:21:47 PM  

CygnusDarius: JudgeItoBox: Besides grunge music, there is absolutely nothing to be nostalgic over regarding the 90s.

Punk was still sort of a thing.
Glam metal was a rotting carcass (thank God).
Even hip-hop was still good.
Jurassic Park was awesome.
LAN Parties.

The only bad thing was the rise of pop music by the end of the 90s


I miss LAN parties. I really enjoyed them. Xbox live/psn/steam just don't provide the same comaraderie.
 
2014-05-01 12:24:49 AM  

theflatline: DesertCoyote: Prodi

I went to college in Thibodaux, Louisiana, and people at my little tiny backwards university were listening to Prodigy in 1992.

Also Lords of Acid and Mc900 Foot Jesus.

The early 1990s had a huge rave scene where the kids were pumping out all the jams, and club djs still had the smooth electronica/house thing going on without all the screeching.


Is there anything more "90s" than the Oliver Adams / Praga Khan produced Mortal Kombat Album?
 
2014-05-01 07:28:32 AM  

Glitchwerks: There are tons of car designs that are going to be remembered from the 90s onward.


I don't disagree with your other statements--for example, I personally find the Italia more aesthetically pleasing to my tastes than the 80s cars--just not more memorable.  I find it hard to imagine it not getting lost among all the other supercars of the last 5-10 years from a broader societal standpoint.  Probably the Veyron is the only thing with any shot, and maybe the R8.

What car from the 90s has staying power?  Enough time has passed.  The F1 was an amazing machine but still unremembered by anyone but car people.  To further illustrate my point, the Ferrari F50 was technologically superior to the F40, but the F40 is easily the more remembered car.  I'd bet the F40 made a more lasting, broad impression than even the Enzo.

Again, I think the key word here is "iconic," which is independent of aesthetic quality but a quality (possibly unintentional) in its own right.  Today's design methods are not conducive to bold, iconic moves, intentional or not.
 
2014-05-01 07:37:48 AM  
I was born in 1981, so the 90s were my teenage years, so I'll always have a soft spot for 90s pop culture.

Even granting that bias, it's hard to see how the 90s weren't better than the 80s in almost every way.  In the 80s pop music was just terrible, Reagan was president for most of the decade, and computer and video gaming had not really become mainstream yet.  Though these things existed in the 80s most people didn't have a PC or a cell phone until the 90s.

And can anyone name a memorable TV series from the 80s that wasn't a sitcom?
 
2014-05-01 09:12:06 AM  

Yankees Team Gynecologist: To further illustrate my point, the Ferrari F50 was technologically superior to the F40, but the F40 is easily the more remembered car.  I'd bet the F40 made a more lasting, broad impression than even the Enzo.


IIRC the F50 had some design flaws, which is why it was not as popular as the F40.

I know the Enzo had some design flaws, as those were well documented.

The Enzo's snap oversteer made it a very unpredictable, even dangerous, machine.

That is why those cars didn't leave a lasting impression.
 
2014-05-01 09:19:54 AM  

That Guy Jeff: And that's just TV shows and movies!


Yes, yes, yes. Other than roads, sanitation, representative government, and safe streets at night, what have the Romans ever done for us?
 
2014-05-01 11:14:30 AM  

Glitchwerks: Yankees Team Gynecologist: To further illustrate my point, the Ferrari F50 was technologically superior to the F40, but the F40 is easily the more remembered car.  I'd bet the F40 made a more lasting, broad impression than even the Enzo.

IIRC the F50 had some design flaws, which is why it was not as popular as the F40.

I know the Enzo had some design flaws, as those were well documented.

The Enzo's snap oversteer made it a very unpredictable, even dangerous, machine.

That is why those cars didn't leave a lasting impression.


Nope, plenty of flawed cars are remembered in the manner I'm describing. The F40 was older and not exactly perfect either.

While aesthetically appealing, recent cars have no discernible or iconic style, other than aerodynamically plastic-looking and designed in CAD.
 
2014-05-01 11:58:41 AM  

neilbradley: JudgeItoBox: Besides grunge music, there is absolutely nothing to be nostalgic over regarding the 90s.

Fixed that for ya. I was in my 20s then, and was absolutely disgusted with 90s music and the culture of mediocrity, and still am bitter about it.


I was in my teens in the 90s, and I can't remember anything I'm willing to get nostalgic over, except maybe the 90s hacker style. It's time for faux alligator pleather trenchcoats and wearing sunglasses all the goddamn time to be a thing again.
 
2014-05-01 12:03:40 PM  
And jncos. Dammit, it's high time Jncos made a comeback.

In my day, you weren't hip unless you looked like you were wearing a denim hakama.

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2014-05-01 12:12:55 PM  

Yankees Team Gynecologist: Nope, plenty of flawed cars are remembered in the manner I'm describing. The F40 was older and not exactly perfect either.

While aesthetically appealing, recent cars have no discernible or iconic style, other than aerodynamically plastic-looking and designed in CAD.


The F40 is actually considered the last "pure" Ferrari, as it doesn't have the modern electronic systems that cars nowadays do.

That's why it's particularly romanticized.  It isn't because of the styling.

As for the iconic style, I disagree.  Cars today have quite dramatic styling and are very visually striking, even more so than the often romanticized design styles of the 60s.

But this is a discussion that, for now, is pretty much subjective and we're going to have to agree to disagree.

Time is what will prove who's right.  So we're going to have to wait a couple of decades and see what history has to say.

I know time will prove me right though, as the Aventador is simply the best Lamborghini ever made, and the Italia, while not the best in terms of performance, is going to be an all time classic, definitely surpassing the 288, because it truly is a beautiful car in every way.
 
2014-05-01 12:56:29 PM  

Glitchwerks: Yankees Team Gynecologist: Nope, plenty of flawed cars are remembered in the manner I'm describing. The F40 was older and not exactly perfect either.

While aesthetically appealing, recent cars have no discernible or iconic style, other than aerodynamically plastic-looking and designed in CAD.

The F40 is actually considered the last "pure" Ferrari, as it doesn't have the modern electronic systems that cars nowadays do.

That's why it's particularly romanticized.  It isn't because of the styling.

As for the iconic style, I disagree.  Cars today have quite dramatic styling and are very visually striking, even more so than the often romanticized design styles of the 60s.

But this is a discussion that, for now, is pretty much subjective and we're going to have to agree to disagree.

Time is what will prove who's right.  So we're going to have to wait a couple of decades and see what history has to say.

I know time will prove me right though, as the Aventador is simply the best Lamborghini ever made, and the Italia, while not the best in terms of performance, is going to be an all time classic, definitely surpassing the 288, because it truly is a beautiful car in every way.


Fair enough, although we have had some time since 1990. Compare 1965-1990 vs. 1990-2015--we still need more time but so far it's not looking good for the latter in this regard.

A lot of it could be about society and culture, not so much the designs themselves. Young people aren't as into cars as before, so we may not be making icons out of cars as much. The Testarossa, one of the most iconic cars ever, is actually a pretty mundane design in my book.
 
2014-05-01 02:22:12 PM  

Gonz: I'm serious- give me a willowy girl wearing a sundress and combat boots, and I'm happy. And that light perfume that kind of smelled like grass...


I liked that look.
 
2014-05-01 07:23:57 PM  
Art is complete bullshiat.

Ren should be reaching for a finsky in the Nevermind tribute.


ts4.mm.bing.net
 
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