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(Tampa Bay Online)   Florida Man arrested after being caught operating a mobile phone jammer during his daily commute to work. Bonus: When pulled over, the police radios got blocked, too   (tbo.com) divider line 31
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2014-04-30 10:51:42 AM  
4 votes:

kronicfeld: StrikitRich: Bet there were a lot of upset teenagers and soccer moms between Seffner and Tampa.

Or, you know, people with emergencies trying to call tow trucks, 9-1-1, highway services, etc.


It's amazing our species survived before the invention of the mobile phone. All those people dying on the side of the road because they couldn't summon a tow truck, or because the only IT guy who knows how to reset the server was at the cinema.
2014-04-30 12:13:55 PM  
3 votes:
If you are on the side of the road trying to call a tow truck and someone jams the signal, you can make the call again as soon as the jammer gets out of range, probably a matter of seconds depending on the speed of traffic. It's an inconvenience, but not a huge deal.
2014-04-30 10:53:59 AM  
3 votes:

Honest Bender: kronicfeld: StrikitRich: Bet there were a lot of upset teenagers and soccer moms between Seffner and Tampa.

Or, you know, people with emergencies trying to call tow trucks, 9-1-1, highway services, etc.

By that same irrational logic, I'm sure the harm he did by blocking all those very important emergency calls was completely offset by all the fatal car accidents he prevented.


You're assuming that people trying to re-dial after a call was dropped are less likely to get into fatal accidents than people talking on the phone.

Randomly cutting off communication does not make you a life-saving hero.
2014-04-30 02:03:21 PM  
2 votes:

StrangeQ: picturescrazy: Walker: I need one of those on the rare occasion that I go to see a movie. Annoying people texting and playing on their phones during the movie is why it's a rare occasion for me.

I've seen someone claim to use one here for that reason. That was ten years ago so hopefully he's stopped or been caught. Yeah the people in the theater are annoying but it's not your place to interrupt service in case of emergency. Especially since you'll effect far more people outside the theater than inside.

Again, it's absolutely amazing how we survived before cell phones.  I suppose it would be absolutely impossible to call the theater itself and ask them to page whoever you needed to get a hold of?


I'm not talking about someone trying to call someone IN the theater. I'm talking outgoing calls. And no, I don't trust a 16 year old kid to page someone in a full movie theater with movies playing. I also don't think it's realistic that anyone would know said person was in the movie theater in the first place. If a couple kids checking text messages bother you so much then don't go out.
2014-04-30 12:02:03 PM  
2 votes:

jtmcadam: Not sure if a guy driving a Toyota Highlander sport utility vehicle(Retails at $40k) can afford a 50k fine.


BUT LET'S DO IT ANYWAYS SCREW HIM!


So when do we look at assets to determine fines?  Can't pay the fine at once?  No problem they garnish your wages until it's paid back.  Don't be an idiot and you to can keep all of your paycheck.
2014-04-30 11:18:58 AM  
2 votes:
Nothing says hero like getting stuck in a traffic jam caused by a crash where nobody can call for help because you're blocking all the cell phone signals.

This guy ought to be kicked in the nuts. Distracted idiots on their phones is a huge problem, but this is in no way, shape or form the solution.
2014-04-30 11:13:39 AM  
2 votes:

Click Click D'oh: I'm sure someone will be along shortly to tell us the physics are all wrong and it's not possible to do what this guy was doing... but if we had read the original specs in German we would have known that already.


specs in ze deutsch?
2014-04-30 10:58:34 AM  
2 votes:

Honest Bender: kronicfeld: StrikitRich: Bet there were a lot of upset teenagers and soccer moms between Seffner and Tampa.

Or, you know, people with emergencies trying to call tow trucks, 9-1-1, highway services, etc.

By that same irrational logic, I'm sure the harm he did by blocking all those very important emergency calls was completely offset by all the fatal car accidents he prevented.


Or maybe he caused some? People dicking with their phone trying to figure out why it stopped working.

He's an asshole not a hero.
2014-04-30 10:23:01 AM  
2 votes:

kronicfeld: StrikitRich: Bet there were a lot of upset teenagers and soccer moms between Seffner and Tampa.

Or, you know, people with emergencies trying to call tow trucks, 9-1-1, highway services, etc.


By that same irrational logic, I'm sure the harm he did by blocking all those very important emergency calls was completely offset by all the fatal car accidents he prevented.
2014-04-30 10:19:56 AM  
2 votes:

StrikitRich: Bet there were a lot of upset teenagers and soccer moms between Seffner and Tampa.


Or, you know, people with emergencies trying to call tow trucks, 9-1-1, highway services, etc.
2014-04-30 09:11:25 PM  
1 votes:
csb time (second hand story from a broadcast engineer)

A radio station has a microwave link from their studios (in the city) to their transmitter (in the sticks).  Suddenly, the microwave link starts dropping every afternoon during afternoon drive, the prime advertising time after work.  The engineer cannot find any reason for the drops, but is told to find the reason and fix it or find another job.

The problem happens every weekday about the same time, but not at the exact same time, and never on the weekend.  The engineer starts to wonder if the issue is rush-hour traffic related.

He goes out in front of the building with his radio and a camera, and when the signal cuts out, he takes a snapshot of the traffic.  He does this for a few days until there is only one vehicle, a blue truck, that's common to all the photos.  The next afternoon, he waits for the truck.  The link dies as the truck passes, and the engineer then follows the truck home and confronts the driver in his driveway.

Turns out it was the same kind of guy; he had a mobile jammer and just hated people talking on phones.  The engineer explained the trouble it was causing him as well as it being a crime and what the possible penalties are.  Told the guy to either cut it out or start going home a different way, because the next time the link dropped unexpectedly, he was calling the police and the FCC.

The engineer was nicer (and braver) about it than I would have been . . . I would have gone straight to the cops.  Some nutter with a jammer might be some nutter with a gun!


/ end csb
2014-04-30 05:43:27 PM  
1 votes:
Rather tangentially, would it be enforceable for a theater to have fine print to the effect "By entering, you agree that any non-emergency use of cellular phones on these premises will result in forfeiture of that hardware. The burden to prove that any given instance was an emergency is yours."?
2014-04-30 05:35:58 PM  
1 votes:
Allow me to also point out that if the police in this case weren't using stupid-ass trunking networks, the jammer would have been ineffectual against them.

I'm a big believer in having public safety communications being as independent of the local infrastructure as possible.  Now, I get that there are day-to-day advantages to trunking, but you end up relying on infrastructure that is going to fail when you need it the most.  That's what happened in New Orleans with Hurricane Katrina:  Once the emergency generators got flooded, the network the NOPD radios depended upon went down.

So yeah, have your fancy digital trunking system, but have a basic analog VHF or UHF system that will work when all the fancy shiat goes down.
2014-04-30 03:55:16 PM  
1 votes:
Phone or no phones, I-4 is the scariest highway I've ever driven on.

You've got blind with cataracts old people, meth-addicted Polk County rednecks, and Disney-bound minivans (happy stick figure family stickers included) with mom losing her shiat, screaming at the 6 kids in the backseat the entire drive... all of whom driving at a speed somewhere between 40 and 95 MPH, and all insisting they have full authority to use the left lane.
2014-04-30 01:55:27 PM  
1 votes:

ds615: TNel: I'm glad you are on board with vigilante justice.  This is just a douche who thinks he better than everyone else.

Probably thinks that because he is.
Stay off your phone.

/You don't have an "emergency". Ever.
// My jammer actually farks your phone, not just blocks it. So be grateful.


WOW you are such a badass and I am so grateful. Please continue to have mercy on my phone, you badass cyber hacker
2014-04-30 01:39:01 PM  
1 votes:

picturescrazy: Walker: I need one of those on the rare occasion that I go to see a movie. Annoying people texting and playing on their phones during the movie is why it's a rare occasion for me.

I've seen someone claim to use one here for that reason. That was ten years ago so hopefully he's stopped or been caught. Yeah the people in the theater are annoying but it's not your place to interrupt service in case of emergency. Especially since you'll effect far more people outside the theater than inside.


Again, it's absolutely amazing how we survived before cell phones.  I suppose it would be absolutely impossible to call the theater itself and ask them to page whoever you needed to get a hold of?
2014-04-30 01:38:20 PM  
1 votes:

ItachiNai: kendelrio: Ftfa: "agents from the FCC's enforcement division"

Waitaminnit. That's a real thing?

/backs out of thread and starts dismantling antennas.

Try building a biquad dish antenna for your wifi card, then boosting the power up to a couple of watts.  You'll get APs from many miles away, but then you've also built a transmitter that operates in the licensed and restricted power range, as well as a focused transmission device (dish), both of which can put you squarely in the FCC enforcement division's crosshairs due to its ability to "shout" over other devices in its line of sight.

You ever read that little tag that says "This device complies with part 15 of the FCC rules..."?  They've tried to strike a balance between how powerful a consumer device should be and likely density of those devices from one another.  That way your neighbor's wireless keyboard doesn't flood yours into disconnecting (among many other potential cases).  If the FCC didn't enforce the rules, consumers and companies alike would simply keep escalating the power levels in an attempt to make their device more appealing to customers, or to unfairly crowd out other similar devices in the area, to the point where every time the gadget whore next door keyed up his brand new two-way radios, the neighborhood would lose its wifi connection.  Also all the popcorn in the pantry could start popping.


Actually, if you're a ham, you can do that because you're operating under Part 97, not Part 15.

But only on certain WiFi channels that coincide with ham bands.

I know a fellow ham who is heavily into the whole satellite thing.  He's got a dish with a 2.4 GHz feed on a 30 foot tower with an azimuth/elevation rotator.   When he plugs his router into the 7/8ths hardline that feeds that dish, he can see literally hundreds of SSIDs from miles and miles away.

Also, there has been a lot of interesting work being done with self-configuring mesh networks by hams using modified WiFi routers and special firmware:   http://www.broadband-hamnet.org/
2014-04-30 12:46:04 PM  
1 votes:

kendelrio: Ftfa: "agents from the FCC's enforcement division"

Waitaminnit. That's a real thing?

/backs out of thread and starts dismantling antennas.


Try building a biquad dish antenna for your wifi card, then boosting the power up to a couple of watts.  You'll get APs from many miles away, but then you've also built a transmitter that operates in the licensed and restricted power range, as well as a focused transmission device (dish), both of which can put you squarely in the FCC enforcement division's crosshairs due to its ability to "shout" over other devices in its line of sight.

You ever read that little tag that says "This device complies with part 15 of the FCC rules..."?  They've tried to strike a balance between how powerful a consumer device should be and likely density of those devices from one another.  That way your neighbor's wireless keyboard doesn't flood yours into disconnecting (among many other potential cases).  If the FCC didn't enforce the rules, consumers and companies alike would simply keep escalating the power levels in an attempt to make their device more appealing to customers, or to unfairly crowd out other similar devices in the area, to the point where every time the gadget whore next door keyed up his brand new two-way radios, the neighborhood would lose its wifi connection.  Also all the popcorn in the pantry could start popping.
2014-04-30 12:38:23 PM  
1 votes:

kendelrio: Rent Party: kendelrio: Ftfa: "agents from the FCC's enforcement division"

Waitaminnit. That's a real thing?

/backs out of thread and starts dismantling antennas.

Yes, and it's one of the few federal agencies that should have one.   When people start dicking around with airline, rail road, and shipping frequencies, seriously bad things can happen.   There is a reason the FCC exists, and it's not just to prevent you from seeing tits on TV.

Ya but keeping me from seeing tits when I was young scarred me.


You never fought with the scrambled cable porn thing?

This was my misspent youth.

www.okgazette.com
2014-04-30 12:16:14 PM  
1 votes:

give me doughnuts: If they were dicking around with their phones rather than paying attention to traffic, then they earned their tragic deaths.


Because traffic accidents always only affect the one guilty driver.
2014-04-30 12:13:40 PM  
1 votes:

TNel: give me doughnuts: If they were dicking around with their phones rather than paying attention to traffic, then they earned their tragic deaths.

If those girls didn't wear short skirts they wouldn't get raped, they deserved it for looking like sluts.



Nice comparison. Here's another one: Apples are just like toasters because reasons.
2014-04-30 12:02:21 PM  
1 votes:
Degraded signal , Florida Man. He has a fight, cops win, Florida Man.
2014-04-30 11:55:03 AM  
1 votes:

Wellon Dowd: It's amazing our species survived before the invention of the mobile phone. All those people dying on the side of the road because they couldn't summon a tow truck, or because the only IT guy who knows how to reset the server was at the cinema.


This sounds like the same argument my parents use when attempting to recommend things to me like putting pillows in my kid's crib. They say "well, you survived while having pillows in your crib." And it's true; I did. However, many children did not. Knowledge has improved and led to increased life-expectancy.

Which is to say that, yes, you're correct; cell phones are not the only way to summon help in an emergency and before their invention, lots of people still survived emergencies. But if you're arguing that cell phones do not help save lives, then I have to disagree.
2014-04-30 11:53:44 AM  
1 votes:

andyofne: Honest Bender: kronicfeld: StrikitRich: Bet there were a lot of upset teenagers and soccer moms between Seffner and Tampa.

Or, you know, people with emergencies trying to call tow trucks, 9-1-1, highway services, etc.

By that same irrational logic, I'm sure the harm he did by blocking all those very important emergency calls was completely offset by all the fatal car accidents he prevented.

Or maybe he caused some? People dicking with their phone trying to figure out why it stopped working.

He's an asshole not a hero.


If they were dicking around with their phones rather than paying attention to traffic, then they earned their tragic deaths.
2014-04-30 11:45:31 AM  
1 votes:

olapbill: Click Click D'oh: I'm sure someone will be along shortly to tell us the physics are all wrong and it's not possible to do what this guy was doing... but if we had read the original specs in German we would have known that already.

specs in ze deutsch?


Nice! I'm certain this is one of very few foreign language puns I'll ever get.
2014-04-30 11:40:13 AM  
1 votes:
I know high school teachers who'd sell their souls for phone jammers.
2014-04-30 11:09:04 AM  
1 votes:

Click Click D'oh: I'm sure someone will be along shortly to tell us the physics are all wrong and it's not possible to do what this guy was doing... but if we had read the original specs in German we would have known that already.


It wouldn work in a moving car.  If he was driving at relativistic speeds the jaming signal would red shift and out of the needed radio frequency band.
2014-04-30 10:53:40 AM  
1 votes:

Wellon Dowd: It's amazing our species survived before the invention of the mobile phone. All those people dying on the side of the road because they couldn't summon a tow truck, or because the only IT guy who knows how to reset the server was at the cinema.


I rarely say "this", but this.
2014-04-30 10:35:36 AM  
1 votes:

Honest Bender: By that same irrational logic, I'm sure the harm he did by blocking all those very important emergency calls was completely offset by all the fatal car accidents he prevented.


You've certainly employed that in spades.
2014-04-30 10:30:03 AM  
1 votes:
Jammers have no effect on my cell phone service, I already have Sprint.
2014-04-30 10:17:04 AM  
1 votes:
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