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(Tampa Bay Online)   Florida Man arrested after being caught operating a mobile phone jammer during his daily commute to work. Bonus: When pulled over, the police radios got blocked, too   (tbo.com) divider line 191
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2014-04-30 08:43:39 AM
Bet there were a lot of upset teenagers and soccer moms between Seffner and Tampa.
 
2014-04-30 08:56:31 AM
I need one of those on the rare occasion that I go to see a movie. Annoying people texting and playing on their phones during the movie is why it's a rare occasion for me.
 
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2014-04-30 09:25:53 AM
The offense is a "forfeiture" rather than a "crime", meaning the government does not have to prove its case to a jury of human beings who just might think he is a hero. Instead the defendant in an administrative forfeiture action is asked to prove he is innocent.

FCC press release, with link to official notice of you're screwed, here: http://www.fcc.gov/document/48k-penalty-proposed-against-individual-c e ll-jammer-investigation-0
 
2014-04-30 10:17:04 AM
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2014-04-30 10:19:56 AM

StrikitRich: Bet there were a lot of upset teenagers and soccer moms between Seffner and Tampa.


Or, you know, people with emergencies trying to call tow trucks, 9-1-1, highway services, etc.
 
2014-04-30 10:23:01 AM

kronicfeld: StrikitRich: Bet there were a lot of upset teenagers and soccer moms between Seffner and Tampa.

Or, you know, people with emergencies trying to call tow trucks, 9-1-1, highway services, etc.


By that same irrational logic, I'm sure the harm he did by blocking all those very important emergency calls was completely offset by all the fatal car accidents he prevented.
 
2014-04-30 10:30:03 AM
Jammers have no effect on my cell phone service, I already have Sprint.
 
2014-04-30 10:35:36 AM

Honest Bender: By that same irrational logic, I'm sure the harm he did by blocking all those very important emergency calls was completely offset by all the fatal car accidents he prevented.


You've certainly employed that in spades.
 
2014-04-30 10:36:47 AM

kronicfeld: Or, you know, people with emergencies trying to call tow trucks, 9-1-1, highway services, etc.


i1.ytimg.com

Or Tom Petty.
 
2014-04-30 10:41:43 AM

kronicfeld: Honest Bender: By that same irrational logic, I'm sure the harm he did by blocking all those very important emergency calls was completely offset by all the fatal car accidents he prevented.

You've certainly employed that in spades.


I know you are, but what am I?
 
2014-04-30 10:51:42 AM

kronicfeld: StrikitRich: Bet there were a lot of upset teenagers and soccer moms between Seffner and Tampa.

Or, you know, people with emergencies trying to call tow trucks, 9-1-1, highway services, etc.


It's amazing our species survived before the invention of the mobile phone. All those people dying on the side of the road because they couldn't summon a tow truck, or because the only IT guy who knows how to reset the server was at the cinema.
 
2014-04-30 10:53:40 AM

Wellon Dowd: It's amazing our species survived before the invention of the mobile phone. All those people dying on the side of the road because they couldn't summon a tow truck, or because the only IT guy who knows how to reset the server was at the cinema.


I rarely say "this", but this.
 
2014-04-30 10:53:59 AM

Honest Bender: kronicfeld: StrikitRich: Bet there were a lot of upset teenagers and soccer moms between Seffner and Tampa.

Or, you know, people with emergencies trying to call tow trucks, 9-1-1, highway services, etc.

By that same irrational logic, I'm sure the harm he did by blocking all those very important emergency calls was completely offset by all the fatal car accidents he prevented.


You're assuming that people trying to re-dial after a call was dropped are less likely to get into fatal accidents than people talking on the phone.

Randomly cutting off communication does not make you a life-saving hero.
 
2014-04-30 10:54:49 AM
$48K, good luck paying that.
 
2014-04-30 10:58:34 AM

Honest Bender: kronicfeld: StrikitRich: Bet there were a lot of upset teenagers and soccer moms between Seffner and Tampa.

Or, you know, people with emergencies trying to call tow trucks, 9-1-1, highway services, etc.

By that same irrational logic, I'm sure the harm he did by blocking all those very important emergency calls was completely offset by all the fatal car accidents he prevented.


Or maybe he caused some? People dicking with their phone trying to figure out why it stopped working.

He's an asshole not a hero.
 
2014-04-30 11:02:03 AM
I'm sure someone will be along shortly to tell us the physics are all wrong and it's not possible to do what this guy was doing... but if we had read the original specs in German we would have known that already.
 
2014-04-30 11:09:04 AM

Click Click D'oh: I'm sure someone will be along shortly to tell us the physics are all wrong and it's not possible to do what this guy was doing... but if we had read the original specs in German we would have known that already.


It wouldn work in a moving car.  If he was driving at relativistic speeds the jaming signal would red shift and out of the needed radio frequency band.
 
2014-04-30 11:13:39 AM

Click Click D'oh: I'm sure someone will be along shortly to tell us the physics are all wrong and it's not possible to do what this guy was doing... but if we had read the original specs in German we would have known that already.


specs in ze deutsch?
 
2014-04-30 11:18:58 AM
Nothing says hero like getting stuck in a traffic jam caused by a crash where nobody can call for help because you're blocking all the cell phone signals.

This guy ought to be kicked in the nuts. Distracted idiots on their phones is a huge problem, but this is in no way, shape or form the solution.
 
2014-04-30 11:19:33 AM
Only $148 plus shipping at AliExpress.  Limited time only!
 
2014-04-30 11:31:21 AM

Walker: I need one of those on the rare occasion that I go to see a movie. Annoying people texting and playing on their phones during the movie is why it's a rare occasion for me.


I've seen someone claim to use one here for that reason. That was ten years ago so hopefully he's stopped or been caught. Yeah the people in the theater are annoying but it's not your place to interrupt service in case of emergency. Especially since you'll effect far more people outside the theater than inside.
 
2014-04-30 11:35:46 AM

Walker: I need one of those on the rare occasion that I go to see a movie. Annoying people texting and playing on their phones during the movie is why it's a rare occasion for me.


Yeah because I need cellular access to play games on a phone.  How about you stop looking at other people and WATCH THE farkING MOVIE!  Last movie I went to the volume was so loud I thought my ears were going to bleed, my 4 year old son was holding his hands to his ears.  We got up got our money back and left.
 
2014-04-30 11:37:08 AM

andyofne: Honest Bender: kronicfeld: StrikitRich: Bet there were a lot of upset teenagers and soccer moms between Seffner and Tampa.

Or, you know, people with emergencies trying to call tow trucks, 9-1-1, highway services, etc.

By that same irrational logic, I'm sure the harm he did by blocking all those very important emergency calls was completely offset by all the fatal car accidents he prevented.

Or maybe he caused some? People dicking with their phone trying to figure out why it stopped working.

He's an asshole not a hero.



Instead of jamming, it should have transmitted "GET OFF THE PHONE, MORON!" in a continuous loop.
 
2014-04-30 11:39:46 AM
Wellon Dowd:

It's amazing our species survived before the invention of the mobile phone. All those people dying on the side of the road because they couldn't summon a tow truck, or because the only IT guy who knows how to reset the server was at the cinema.

Because the call wouldn't drop and they couldn't call right back when the man drove past, their phones would explode, killing hundreds, nay, thousands.

Learn to science
 
2014-04-30 11:40:13 AM
I know high school teachers who'd sell their souls for phone jammers.
 
2014-04-30 11:41:31 AM

DaStompa: Wellon Dowd:

It's amazing our species survived before the invention of the mobile phone. All those people dying on the side of the road because they couldn't summon a tow truck, or because the only IT guy who knows how to reset the server was at the cinema.

Because the call wouldn't drop and they couldn't call right back when the man drove past, their phones would explode, killing hundreds, nay, thousands.

Learn to science


I'm glad you are on board with vigilante justice.  This is just a douche who thinks he better than everyone else.
 
2014-04-30 11:44:43 AM

TNel: DaStompa: Wellon Dowd:

It's amazing our species survived before the invention of the mobile phone. All those people dying on the side of the road because they couldn't summon a tow truck, or because the only IT guy who knows how to reset the server was at the cinema.

Because the call wouldn't drop and they couldn't call right back when the man drove past, their phones would explode, killing hundreds, nay, thousands.

Learn to science

I'm glad you are on board with vigilante justice.  This is just a douche who thinks he better than everyone else.


This. There are very practical reasons these jammers are pretty damned illegal.
 
2014-04-30 11:45:31 AM

olapbill: Click Click D'oh: I'm sure someone will be along shortly to tell us the physics are all wrong and it's not possible to do what this guy was doing... but if we had read the original specs in German we would have known that already.

specs in ze deutsch?


Nice! I'm certain this is one of very few foreign language puns I'll ever get.
 
2014-04-30 11:49:10 AM
I would imagine that his approach would be more distracting than not. If people driving alongside him all of a sudden lost cell service they would all be glued to their phones wondering and attempting to fix whatever happened. Either way forty eight thousand dollars seems appropriate.
 
2014-04-30 11:53:12 AM

Crotchrocket Slim: TNel: DaStompa: Wellon Dowd:

It's amazing our species survived before the invention of the mobile phone. All those people dying on the side of the road because they couldn't summon a tow truck, or because the only IT guy who knows how to reset the server was at the cinema.

Because the call wouldn't drop and they couldn't call right back when the man drove past, their phones would explode, killing hundreds, nay, thousands.

Learn to science

I'm glad you are on board with vigilante justice.  This is just a douche who thinks he better than everyone else.

This. There are very practical reasons these jammers are pretty damned illegal.


I agree that jammers shouldn't be available to the general public. I just hate the argument that mobile phone use is sacrosanct because of won't somebody please think of the children?!
 
2014-04-30 11:53:44 AM

andyofne: Honest Bender: kronicfeld: StrikitRich: Bet there were a lot of upset teenagers and soccer moms between Seffner and Tampa.

Or, you know, people with emergencies trying to call tow trucks, 9-1-1, highway services, etc.

By that same irrational logic, I'm sure the harm he did by blocking all those very important emergency calls was completely offset by all the fatal car accidents he prevented.

Or maybe he caused some? People dicking with their phone trying to figure out why it stopped working.

He's an asshole not a hero.


If they were dicking around with their phones rather than paying attention to traffic, then they earned their tragic deaths.
 
2014-04-30 11:55:03 AM

Wellon Dowd: It's amazing our species survived before the invention of the mobile phone. All those people dying on the side of the road because they couldn't summon a tow truck, or because the only IT guy who knows how to reset the server was at the cinema.


This sounds like the same argument my parents use when attempting to recommend things to me like putting pillows in my kid's crib. They say "well, you survived while having pillows in your crib." And it's true; I did. However, many children did not. Knowledge has improved and led to increased life-expectancy.

Which is to say that, yes, you're correct; cell phones are not the only way to summon help in an emergency and before their invention, lots of people still survived emergencies. But if you're arguing that cell phones do not help save lives, then I have to disagree.
 
2014-04-30 11:55:04 AM
I wonder if it farked up peoples GPS devices (whether on the phone or not)?
 
2014-04-30 11:55:10 AM

olapbill: Click Click D'oh: I'm sure someone will be along shortly to tell us the physics are all wrong and it's not possible to do what this guy was doing... but if we had read the original specs in German we would have known that already.

specs in ze deutsch?


booooooooooo

/nah, I chuckled
 
2014-04-30 11:56:56 AM

give me doughnuts: If they were dicking around with their phones rather than paying attention to traffic, then they earned their tragic deaths.


If those girls didn't wear short skirts they wouldn't get raped, they deserved it for looking like sluts.
 
2014-04-30 11:57:33 AM
Not sure if a guy driving a Toyota Highlander sport utility vehicle(Retails at $40k) can afford a 50k fine.


BUT LET'S DO IT ANYWAYS SCREW HIM!
 
2014-04-30 11:58:02 AM

olapbill: specs in ze deutsch?


+1.  Would LoL again.
 
2014-04-30 12:02:03 PM

jtmcadam: Not sure if a guy driving a Toyota Highlander sport utility vehicle(Retails at $40k) can afford a 50k fine.


BUT LET'S DO IT ANYWAYS SCREW HIM!


So when do we look at assets to determine fines?  Can't pay the fine at once?  No problem they garnish your wages until it's paid back.  Don't be an idiot and you to can keep all of your paycheck.
 
2014-04-30 12:02:20 PM
This A-hole was blocking cell phone calls done in a legal manner as well.  There are people who talk on cell phones using bluetooth or a hand-free device.

Now if only someone sold a cellphone unjammer to counteract the jammers...
 
2014-04-30 12:02:21 PM
Degraded signal , Florida Man. He has a fight, cops win, Florida Man.
 
2014-04-30 12:08:39 PM

picturescrazy: Walker: I need one of those on the rare occasion that I go to see a movie. Annoying people texting and playing on their phones during the movie is why it's a rare occasion for me.

I've seen someone claim to use one here for that reason. That was ten years ago so hopefully he's stopped or been caught. Yeah the people in the theater are annoying but it's not your place to interrupt service in case of emergency. Especially since you'll effect far more people outside the theater than inside.


I remember years ago when it was becoming a problem in theaters and some places were using jamming devices and IIRC doctors and other people with emergency type jobs complained about it.
 
2014-04-30 12:09:56 PM

TNel: Walker: I need one of those on the rare occasion that I go to see a movie. Annoying people texting and playing on their phones during the movie is why it's a rare occasion for me.

Yeah because I need cellular access to play games on a phone.  How about you stop looking at other people and WATCH THE farkING MOVIE!  Last movie I went to the volume was so loud I thought my ears were going to bleed, my 4 year old son was holding his hands to his ears.  We got up got our money back and left.


Last time I went to a movie, I could hear a family in the back of the theater chattering, playing on their cellphones, and letting their brat talk all of the time. That movie was Winter Solider, so it was not a quiet movie. This may surprise you, but cellphones noises are designed to get your attention even through ambient noise, and can be quite loud in an enclosed, sound-proof room.
 
2014-04-30 12:10:13 PM

Click Click D'oh: I'm sure someone will be along shortly to tell us the physics are all wrong and it's not possible to do what this guy was doing... but if we had read the original specs in German we would have known that already.


I finally found one thing (two if you include the challenge authentication method) he was talking about but he never did provide a link to the German specs. The best he mustered up was the patent, which supported none of what he was saying, and then the FCC docs, which corroborated the frequency the authentication.

He then told me to go find the German documents myself. How useful. I wasn't even questioning if he was correct. I just wanted to read the stuff in German.
 
2014-04-30 12:10:15 PM

Gunderson: This A-hole was blocking cell phone calls done in a legal manner as well.  There are people who talk on cell phones using bluetooth or a hand-free device.

Now if only someone sold a cellphone unjammer to counteract the jammers...



But then someone would offer unjammer jammers. Madness!
 
2014-04-30 12:13:40 PM

TNel: give me doughnuts: If they were dicking around with their phones rather than paying attention to traffic, then they earned their tragic deaths.

If those girls didn't wear short skirts they wouldn't get raped, they deserved it for looking like sluts.



Nice comparison. Here's another one: Apples are just like toasters because reasons.
 
2014-04-30 12:13:55 PM
If you are on the side of the road trying to call a tow truck and someone jams the signal, you can make the call again as soon as the jammer gets out of range, probably a matter of seconds depending on the speed of traffic. It's an inconvenience, but not a huge deal.
 
2014-04-30 12:16:14 PM

give me doughnuts: If they were dicking around with their phones rather than paying attention to traffic, then they earned their tragic deaths.


Because traffic accidents always only affect the one guilty driver.
 
2014-04-30 12:20:13 PM

Snarfangel: Gunderson: This A-hole was blocking cell phone calls done in a legal manner as well.  There are people who talk on cell phones using bluetooth or a hand-free device.

Now if only someone sold a cellphone unjammer to counteract the jammers...


But then someone would offer unjammer jammers. Madness!


www.island-stage.com

So much jammin'
 
2014-04-30 12:25:14 PM
Ftfa: "agents from the FCC's enforcement division"

Waitaminnit. That's a real thing?

/backs out of thread and starts dismantling antennas.
 
2014-04-30 12:27:12 PM

kendelrio: Ftfa: "agents from the FCC's enforcement division"

Waitaminnit. That's a real thing?

/backs out of thread and starts dismantling antennas.


Yes, and it's one of the few federal agencies that should have one.   When people start dicking around with airline, rail road, and shipping frequencies, seriously bad things can happen.   There is a reason the FCC exists, and it's not just to prevent you from seeing tits on TV.
 
2014-04-30 12:27:56 PM

Wellon Dowd: kronicfeld: StrikitRich: Bet there were a lot of upset teenagers and soccer moms between Seffner and Tampa.

Or, you know, people with emergencies trying to call tow trucks, 9-1-1, highway services, etc.

It's amazing our species survived before the invention of the mobile phone. All those people dying on the side of the road because they couldn't summon a tow truck, or because the only IT guy who knows how to reset the server was at the cinema.


To be fair, society had a different way of asking for help when there car broke down. We had things like pay phones and sun screen protectors that literally said "Need assistance, call 911" on the back. When was the last time you've seen a pay phone?
 
2014-04-30 12:29:36 PM

TNel: Walker: I need one of those on the rare occasion that I go to see a movie. Annoying people texting and playing on their phones during the movie is why it's a rare occasion for me.

Yeah because I need cellular access to play games on a phone.  How about you stop looking at other people and WATCH THE farkING MOVIE!  Last movie I went to the volume was so loud I thought my ears were going to bleed, my 4 year old son was holding his hands to his ears.  We got up got our money back and left.


In a dark theater those lit up screens are distracting as fark.  If you want to play Candy Crush do it somewhere other than inside a movie theater.  If the movie is too boring, leave.  If you're staying, put the smartphone away and WATCH THE FARKING MOVIE!
 
2014-04-30 12:30:22 PM
Florida Man arrested after being caught operating a mobile phone jammer during his daily commute to work.
img.pandawhale.com
 
2014-04-30 12:32:30 PM

Rent Party: kendelrio: Ftfa: "agents from the FCC's enforcement division"

Waitaminnit. That's a real thing?

/backs out of thread and starts dismantling antennas.

Yes, and it's one of the few federal agencies that should have one.   When people start dicking around with airline, rail road, and shipping frequencies, seriously bad things can happen.   There is a reason the FCC exists, and it's not just to prevent you from seeing tits on TV.


Ya but keeping me from seeing tits when I was young scarred me.
 
2014-04-30 12:33:55 PM

give me doughnuts: TNel: give me doughnuts: If they were dicking around with their phones rather than paying attention to traffic, then they earned their tragic deaths.

If those girls didn't wear short skirts they wouldn't get raped, they deserved it for looking like sluts.


Nice comparison. Here's another one: Apples are just like toasters because reasons.


Why not?  Both your example and mine are of people doing legal things (using their phone vs wearing clothing) and you said it's ok if bad things happen to them for doing a legal activity.
 
2014-04-30 12:35:48 PM

kendelrio: Ya but keeping me from seeing tits when I was young scarred me.


Well don't worry kids these days have the internet and they can see as many tits as they like.  Damn these kids have no idea how lucky they are.  When I was a kid we had to be lucky enough to find a porno mag somewhere to see some tits.
 
2014-04-30 12:38:23 PM

kendelrio: Rent Party: kendelrio: Ftfa: "agents from the FCC's enforcement division"

Waitaminnit. That's a real thing?

/backs out of thread and starts dismantling antennas.

Yes, and it's one of the few federal agencies that should have one.   When people start dicking around with airline, rail road, and shipping frequencies, seriously bad things can happen.   There is a reason the FCC exists, and it's not just to prevent you from seeing tits on TV.

Ya but keeping me from seeing tits when I was young scarred me.


You never fought with the scrambled cable porn thing?

This was my misspent youth.

www.okgazette.com
 
2014-04-30 12:39:08 PM

give me doughnuts: andyofne: Honest Bender: kronicfeld: StrikitRich: Bet there were a lot of upset teenagers and soccer moms between Seffner and Tampa.

Or, you know, people with emergencies trying to call tow trucks, 9-1-1, highway services, etc.

By that same irrational logic, I'm sure the harm he did by blocking all those very important emergency calls was completely offset by all the fatal car accidents he prevented.

Or maybe he caused some? People dicking with their phone trying to figure out why it stopped working.

He's an asshole not a hero.

If they were dicking around with their phones rather than paying attention to traffic, then they earned their tragic deaths.


Yes, you're right. That sure is justification for instant death.
 
2014-04-30 12:44:34 PM

TNel: kendelrio: Ya but keeping me from seeing tits when I was young scarred me.

Well don't worry kids these days have the internet and they can see as many tits as they like.  Damn these kids have no idea how lucky they are.  When I was a kid we had to be lucky enough to find a porno mag somewhere to see some tits.


When I was a kid, getting the new Sears or Montgomery-Ward catalog was always a highlight.
 
2014-04-30 12:45:59 PM
thumbnails.hulu.com

did they use their kajigger to find the source of the interference?
 
2014-04-30 12:46:04 PM

kendelrio: Ftfa: "agents from the FCC's enforcement division"

Waitaminnit. That's a real thing?

/backs out of thread and starts dismantling antennas.


Try building a biquad dish antenna for your wifi card, then boosting the power up to a couple of watts.  You'll get APs from many miles away, but then you've also built a transmitter that operates in the licensed and restricted power range, as well as a focused transmission device (dish), both of which can put you squarely in the FCC enforcement division's crosshairs due to its ability to "shout" over other devices in its line of sight.

You ever read that little tag that says "This device complies with part 15 of the FCC rules..."?  They've tried to strike a balance between how powerful a consumer device should be and likely density of those devices from one another.  That way your neighbor's wireless keyboard doesn't flood yours into disconnecting (among many other potential cases).  If the FCC didn't enforce the rules, consumers and companies alike would simply keep escalating the power levels in an attempt to make their device more appealing to customers, or to unfairly crowd out other similar devices in the area, to the point where every time the gadget whore next door keyed up his brand new two-way radios, the neighborhood would lose its wifi connection.  Also all the popcorn in the pantry could start popping.
 
2014-04-30 12:47:43 PM

Wellon Dowd: Crotchrocket Slim: TNel: DaStompa: Wellon Dowd:

It's amazing our species survived before the invention of the mobile phone. All those people dying on the side of the road because they couldn't summon a tow truck, or because the only IT guy who knows how to reset the server was at the cinema.

Because the call wouldn't drop and they couldn't call right back when the man drove past, their phones would explode, killing hundreds, nay, thousands.

Learn to science

I'm glad you are on board with vigilante justice.  This is just a douche who thinks he better than everyone else.

This. There are very practical reasons these jammers are pretty damned illegal.

I agree that jammers shouldn't be available to the general public. I just hate the argument that mobile phone use is sacrosanct because of won't somebody please think of the children?!


Children don't drive.
 
2014-04-30 12:54:02 PM
I've been warning that a cell phone jammer, in the right place and the right time, could cause massive traffic accidents as the cut off users look down at their phones to see what's wrong. Park a jammer next to an old curve in the road and you'll have accidents. Time it right and it'll involve hazardous materials trucks.
 
2014-04-30 12:54:22 PM

SansNeural: TNel: kendelrio: Ya but keeping me from seeing tits when I was young scarred me.

Well don't worry kids these days have the internet and they can see as many tits as they like.  Damn these kids have no idea how lucky they are.  When I was a kid we had to be lucky enough to find a porno mag somewhere to see some tits.

When I was a kid, getting the new Sears or Montgomery-Ward catalog was always a highlight.


Would the new one or the old one get placed in the outhouse?
 
2014-04-30 01:01:36 PM

HotWingConspiracy: Wellon Dowd: I agree that jammers shouldn't be available to the general public. I just hate the argument that mobile phone use is sacrosanct because of won't somebody please think of the children?!

Children don't drive.


Like hell they don't.

Father of the year lets 14 year old son drive while he's intoxicated....

Step 1) Get drunk. Step 2) Have 12-year-old son drive you home.....

Having your eight-year-old drive you home because you are way too drunk to drive is a decision that really only makes sense when you're drunk
 
2014-04-30 01:06:11 PM

Gunderson: This A-hole was blocking cell phone calls done in a legal manner as well.  There are people who talk on cell phones using bluetooth or a hand-free device.

Now if only someone sold a cellphone unjammer to counteract the jammers...


upload.wikimedia.org
 
2014-04-30 01:08:34 PM

Walker: I need one of those on the rare occasion that I go to see a movie. Annoying people texting and playing on their phones during the movie is why it's a rare occasion for me.


I have a small jammer just for this purpose. I don't turn it on until I see someone on their phone. It's great to watch them get annoyed and leave.
 
2014-04-30 01:09:20 PM

BigSnatch: Jammers have no effect on my cell phone service, I already have Sprint.


I've been told those do not stop Sprint signals from getting thru due to the bands used by Sprint.
 
2014-04-30 01:12:24 PM

Crotchrocket Slim: TNel: DaStompa: Wellon Dowd:

It's amazing our species survived before the invention of the mobile phone. All those people dying on the side of the road because they couldn't summon a tow truck, or because the only IT guy who knows how to reset the server was at the cinema.

Because the call wouldn't drop and they couldn't call right back when the man drove past, their phones would explode, killing hundreds, nay, thousands.

Learn to science

I'm glad you are on board with vigilante justice.  This is just a douche who thinks he better than everyone else.

This. There are very practical reasons these jammers are pretty damned illegal.


Cell jammers can be used on private property and by any Federal Agency.
 
2014-04-30 01:14:39 PM

Rent Party: kendelrio: Rent Party: kendelrio: Ftfa: "agents from the FCC's enforcement division"

Waitaminnit. That's a real thing?

/backs out of thread and starts dismantling antennas.

Yes, and it's one of the few federal agencies that should have one.   When people start dicking around with airline, rail road, and shipping frequencies, seriously bad things can happen.   There is a reason the FCC exists, and it's not just to prevent you from seeing tits on TV.

Ya but keeping me from seeing tits when I was young scarred me.

You never fought with the scrambled cable porn thing?

This was my misspent youth.

[www.okgazette.com image 622x468]


Sadly, once unscrambled, 90% of those skanks lost their appeal. But not Tori Wells. No, not her.
 
2014-04-30 01:15:54 PM

TNel: I'm glad you are on board with vigilante justice.  This is just a douche who thinks he better than everyone else.


Probably thinks that because he is.
Stay off your phone.

/You don't have an "emergency". Ever.
// My jammer actually farks your phone, not just blocks it. So be grateful.
 
2014-04-30 01:19:25 PM
farm3.staticflickr.com
 
2014-04-30 01:25:31 PM
H31N0US:
You never fought with the scrambled cable porn thing?

This was my misspent youth.

[www.okgazette.com image 622x468]

Sadly, once unscrambled, 90% of those skanks lost their appeal. But not Tori Wells. No, not her.


At 14 years old, there was no such thing as "too skanky."

/ Skanks!
 
2014-04-30 01:27:19 PM
A coworker of mine used to use a jammer. Customers kept approaching the customer service desk while on the phone, so he carried the pocket version which had about a 6 foot radius.  the store had several courtesy phones, so nobody would be endangered during an emergency.  Not to mention he could discreetly turn it on or off in his pocket.  Work became a lot less quiet when he quit.
 
2014-04-30 01:27:24 PM

mcreadyblue: Crotchrocket Slim: TNel: DaStompa: Wellon Dowd:

It's amazing our species survived before the invention of the mobile phone. All those people dying on the side of the road because they couldn't summon a tow truck, or because the only IT guy who knows how to reset the server was at the cinema.

Because the call wouldn't drop and they couldn't call right back when the man drove past, their phones would explode, killing hundreds, nay, thousands.

Learn to science

I'm glad you are on board with vigilante justice.  This is just a douche who thinks he better than everyone else.

This. There are very practical reasons these jammers are pretty damned illegal.

Cell jammers can be used on private property and by any Federal Agency.


About that:

 Unless you are an authorized federal government  user, you may not operate a jammer in the U.S., even on private property. This means that it is  illegal to use a jammer on mass transit (e.g., train, bus) or in a residence, vehicle, school, theater,  restaurant or in any other public or private place.
 
2014-04-30 01:30:29 PM

SansNeural: When I was a kid, getting the new Sears or Montgomery-Ward catalog was always a highlight.


Ahh yes forgot about those.
 
2014-04-30 01:33:48 PM

ds615: Probably thinks that because he is.


Self-important douche says other self-important douche is special.

Didn't see that coming.
 
2014-04-30 01:36:49 PM

redmid17: mcreadyblue: Crotchrocket Slim: TNel: DaStompa: Wellon Dowd:

It's amazing our species survived before the invention of the mobile phone. All those people dying on the side of the road because they couldn't summon a tow truck, or because the only IT guy who knows how to reset the server was at the cinema.

Because the call wouldn't drop and they couldn't call right back when the man drove past, their phones would explode, killing hundreds, nay, thousands.

Learn to science

I'm glad you are on board with vigilante justice.  This is just a douche who thinks he better than everyone else.

This. There are very practical reasons these jammers are pretty damned illegal.

Cell jammers can be used on private property and by any Federal Agency.

About that:

 Unless you are an authorized federal government  user, you may not operate a jammer in the U.S., even on private property. This means that it is  illegal to use a jammer on mass transit (e.g., train, bus) or in a residence, vehicle, school, theater,  restaurant or in any other public or private place.


Faraday Cages are legal on private property.
 
2014-04-30 01:37:25 PM

Twist2005: I know high school teachers who'd sell their souls for phone jammers.


Maybe they could just underpaint their classrooms with that metallic paint that turns any room into a Faraday cage. Or is that stuff illegal too?
 
2014-04-30 01:38:20 PM

ItachiNai: kendelrio: Ftfa: "agents from the FCC's enforcement division"

Waitaminnit. That's a real thing?

/backs out of thread and starts dismantling antennas.

Try building a biquad dish antenna for your wifi card, then boosting the power up to a couple of watts.  You'll get APs from many miles away, but then you've also built a transmitter that operates in the licensed and restricted power range, as well as a focused transmission device (dish), both of which can put you squarely in the FCC enforcement division's crosshairs due to its ability to "shout" over other devices in its line of sight.

You ever read that little tag that says "This device complies with part 15 of the FCC rules..."?  They've tried to strike a balance between how powerful a consumer device should be and likely density of those devices from one another.  That way your neighbor's wireless keyboard doesn't flood yours into disconnecting (among many other potential cases).  If the FCC didn't enforce the rules, consumers and companies alike would simply keep escalating the power levels in an attempt to make their device more appealing to customers, or to unfairly crowd out other similar devices in the area, to the point where every time the gadget whore next door keyed up his brand new two-way radios, the neighborhood would lose its wifi connection.  Also all the popcorn in the pantry could start popping.


Actually, if you're a ham, you can do that because you're operating under Part 97, not Part 15.

But only on certain WiFi channels that coincide with ham bands.

I know a fellow ham who is heavily into the whole satellite thing.  He's got a dish with a 2.4 GHz feed on a 30 foot tower with an azimuth/elevation rotator.   When he plugs his router into the 7/8ths hardline that feeds that dish, he can see literally hundreds of SSIDs from miles and miles away.

Also, there has been a lot of interesting work being done with self-configuring mesh networks by hams using modified WiFi routers and special firmware:   http://www.broadband-hamnet.org/
 
2014-04-30 01:39:01 PM

picturescrazy: Walker: I need one of those on the rare occasion that I go to see a movie. Annoying people texting and playing on their phones during the movie is why it's a rare occasion for me.

I've seen someone claim to use one here for that reason. That was ten years ago so hopefully he's stopped or been caught. Yeah the people in the theater are annoying but it's not your place to interrupt service in case of emergency. Especially since you'll effect far more people outside the theater than inside.


Again, it's absolutely amazing how we survived before cell phones.  I suppose it would be absolutely impossible to call the theater itself and ask them to page whoever you needed to get a hold of?
 
2014-04-30 01:39:55 PM

Wellon Dowd: It's amazing our species survived before the invention of the mobile phone. All those people dying on the side of the road because they couldn't summon a tow truck, or because the only IT guy who knows how to reset the server was at the cinema.

 So what? People shouldn't use safety technology just because we managed to not-die before then?
If you're old enough, you might recall that most highways used to have public phones set up every mile or five miles or so. That's because before cell phones, you actually could get stranded for long periods of time, and while that didn't necessarily mean death, it did mean that you were at the absolute mercy of the elements and anyone else on the road.My grandfather always makes sure we have our phones when we come visit him, because he remembers the time when he broke down at night and didn't have enough light to fix his car until the following morning, or the other time when his car utterly broke down and he was stranded on the side of the road for more than a day.
 
2014-04-30 01:40:06 PM

mcreadyblue: Faraday Cages are legal on private property.


yeah because when someone says "cell jammer" they think faraday cage.  Good luck with your wifi signal or any other signals.  How are you going to make this cage in the walls?  You have any idea how much that would cost?
 
2014-04-30 01:41:22 PM

fuzzydeath: A coworker of mine used to use a jammer. Customers kept approaching the customer service desk while on the phone, so he carried the pocket version which had about a 6 foot radius.  the store had several courtesy phones, so nobody would be endangered during an emergency.  Not to mention he could discreetly turn it on or off in his pocket.  Work became a lot less quiet when he quit.


That's what I don't get.  This guy would have been so much better off if he'd only flipped on the jammer when he noticed someone with a phone in their hand.  I doubt I'd ever own a cell jammer, but if I did, this is *exactly* the way I'd use it; discreetly flip it on anytime someone is being an asshat with their phone, ie in a theater, in a car, having a loud and obnoxious conversation, or while someone is attempting to give them service.

/seriously, hang up the farking phone when you're conducting business with an employee of the establishment you're patronizing
 
2014-04-30 01:42:10 PM

StrangeQ: Again, it's absolutely amazing how we survived before cell phones. I suppose it would be absolutely impossible to call the theater itself and ask them to page whoever you needed to get a hold of?


So you think it's better to stop the movie and interrupt everyone for an all call instead of a phone vibrating in someones pocket?!  Wow you are nuts.
 
2014-04-30 01:42:40 PM

Maxout623: Wellon Dowd: kronicfeld: StrikitRich: Bet there were a lot of upset teenagers and soccer moms between Seffner and Tampa.

Or, you know, people with emergencies trying to call tow trucks, 9-1-1, highway services, etc.

It's amazing our species survived before the invention of the mobile phone. All those people dying on the side of the road because they couldn't summon a tow truck, or because the only IT guy who knows how to reset the server was at the cinema.

To be fair, society had a different way of asking for help when there car broke down. We had things like pay phones and sun screen protectors that literally said "Need assistance, call 911" on the back. When was the last time you've seen a pay phone?


When was the last time you ever saw a pay phone on the side of a highway?
 
2014-04-30 01:44:16 PM

mcreadyblue: redmid17: mcreadyblue: Crotchrocket Slim: TNel: DaStompa: Wellon Dowd:

It's amazing our species survived before the invention of the mobile phone. All those people dying on the side of the road because they couldn't summon a tow truck, or because the only IT guy who knows how to reset the server was at the cinema.

Because the call wouldn't drop and they couldn't call right back when the man drove past, their phones would explode, killing hundreds, nay, thousands.

Learn to science

I'm glad you are on board with vigilante justice.  This is just a douche who thinks he better than everyone else.

This. There are very practical reasons these jammers are pretty damned illegal.

Cell jammers can be used on private property and by any Federal Agency.

About that:

 Unless you are an authorized federal government  user, you may not operate a jammer in the U.S., even on private property. This means that it is  illegal to use a jammer on mass transit (e.g., train, bus) or in a residence, vehicle, school, theater,  restaurant or in any other public or private place.

Faraday Cages are legal on private property.


Good luck with that. Let us know how Chapter 13 goes.
 
2014-04-30 01:45:09 PM

Saiga410: it wouldn work in a moving car. If he was driving at relativistic speeds the jaming signal would red shift and out of the needed radio frequency band.


Driving at 60MPH, an RF signal would experience a frequency shift of around 0.000009%.  That's enough to introduce phase or frequency shift errors in some very complex waveforms for a detector, but a transmitter is spewing over a wide frequency range.  Even if it is off a bit, it is still clobbering most of a cell's TX or RX channel.
 
2014-04-30 01:45:13 PM

buckler: Twist2005: I know high school teachers who'd sell their souls for phone jammers.

Maybe they could just underpaint their classrooms with that metallic paint that turns any room into a Faraday cage. Or is that stuff illegal too?


No you can paint your house in that stuff all you want but do you think a teacher owns the room they teach in?
 
2014-04-30 01:46:04 PM

StrangeQ: Maxout623: Wellon Dowd: kronicfeld: StrikitRich: Bet there were a lot of upset teenagers and soccer moms between Seffner and Tampa.

Or, you know, people with emergencies trying to call tow trucks, 9-1-1, highway services, etc.

It's amazing our species survived before the invention of the mobile phone. All those people dying on the side of the road because they couldn't summon a tow truck, or because the only IT guy who knows how to reset the server was at the cinema.

To be fair, society had a different way of asking for help when there car broke down. We had things like pay phones and sun screen protectors that literally said "Need assistance, call 911" on the back. When was the last time you've seen a pay phone?

When was the last time you ever saw a pay phone on the side of a highway?


I don't know if they still exist, but along I-4, there used to be free phones every couple of miles that connected with a dispatch service for police, highway patrol, ambulance, firefighters and tow services.
 
2014-04-30 01:49:01 PM

TNel: StrangeQ: Again, it's absolutely amazing how we survived before cell phones. I suppose it would be absolutely impossible to call the theater itself and ask them to page whoever you needed to get a hold of?

So you think it's better to stop the movie and interrupt everyone for an all call instead of a phone vibrating in someones pocket?!  Wow you are nuts.


As opposed to them interrupting the movie when they pull their phone out of their pocket and start yammering into it?  The movie gets interrupted either way; if it's truly an emergency then it is forgivable.  And if you do it my way, that is the only interruption you will see, as opposed to now where our OCD society can't stand going 90 minutes without sending a text.
 
2014-04-30 01:51:01 PM

TNel: mcreadyblue: Faraday Cages are legal on private property.

yeah because when someone says "cell jammer" they think faraday cage.  Good luck with your wifi signal or any other signals.  How are you going to make this cage in the walls?  You have any idea how much that would cost?


You know, a faraday cage is actually a good thing for WiFi:  Keeps it inside your house (or store, or whatever) and keeps people outside from getting into it, along with minimizing the interference to your equipment.
 
2014-04-30 01:54:47 PM

mcreadyblue: Cell jammers can be used on private property and by any Federal Agency.


Or this is completely wrong.
 
2014-04-30 01:55:07 PM

dittybopper: You know, a faraday cage is actually a good thing for WiFi: Keeps it inside your house (or store, or whatever) and keeps people outside from getting into it, along with minimizing the interference to your equipment.


And stopping your cell phone service.  I mean who needs cell service when my neighbors can see my SSID.  Put a good strong WPA2 key and go about your day.
 
2014-04-30 01:55:27 PM

ds615: TNel: I'm glad you are on board with vigilante justice.  This is just a douche who thinks he better than everyone else.

Probably thinks that because he is.
Stay off your phone.

/You don't have an "emergency". Ever.
// My jammer actually farks your phone, not just blocks it. So be grateful.


WOW you are such a badass and I am so grateful. Please continue to have mercy on my phone, you badass cyber hacker
 
2014-04-30 01:57:29 PM

StrangeQ: As opposed to them interrupting the movie when they pull their phone out of their pocket and start yammering into it? The movie gets interrupted either way; if it's truly an emergency then it is forgivable. And if you do it my way, that is the only interruption you will see, as opposed to now where our OCD society can't stand going 90 minutes without sending a text.


Yeah because I'm sure this happens all the time.  I have never seen this.  I don't know what movie theaters you guys keep going to but I've seen people play on their phone before the movie but I have never seen or heard someone "yammering into it" during a movie.  I'm sure this is exactly like all the people that see foodstamp users buying steak and lobsters all the time.
 
2014-04-30 01:59:49 PM

ZAZ: The offense is a "forfeiture" rather than a "crime", meaning the government does not have to prove its case to a jury of human beings who just might think he is a hero. Instead the defendant in an administrative forfeiture action is asked to prove he is innocent.

FCC press release, with link to official notice of you're screwed, here: http://www.fcc.gov/document/48k-penalty-proposed-against-individual-c e ll-jammer-investigation-0


Having read that, he got fined because he jammed towers and police radios, not just cell phones in close proximity to his car. Also, the $48,000 is the proposed fine. He needs a good Administrative law attorney, and may have a chance at a negotiated fine.
 
2014-04-30 02:00:23 PM

TNel: dittybopper: You know, a faraday cage is actually a good thing for WiFi: Keeps it inside your house (or store, or whatever) and keeps people outside from getting into it, along with minimizing the interference to your equipment.

And stopping your cell phone service.  I mean who needs cell service when my neighbors can see my SSID.  Put a good strong WPA2 key and go about your day.



Most phones these days can go through WiFi.  Hell, my wife's TracFone does that.  Set the phone up to use WiFi if available.  Problem solved.

Or, you could actually have phone service to your house.  Because if you've got WiFi connection to the intarwebs, you're getting that somehow, and you can get phone service that same way, most likely.
 
2014-04-30 02:01:39 PM

jtmcadam: Not sure if a guy driving a Toyota Highlander sport utility vehicle(Retails at $40k) can afford a 50k fine.


BUT LET'S DO IT ANYWAYS SCREW HIM!


He could afford his stupid ass toy. If he can't afford the risks that come with it, that's his problem.
 
2014-04-30 02:03:00 PM

TNel: I mean who needs cell service when my neighbors can see my SSID.


That's just it:  They *COULDN'T* see it, because it would be stopped by the cage.  Think of it as an aluminum foil wrapper:  It keeps the stuff on the inside from getting out, and the stuff outside from getting in, but if you're inside it, it doesn't stop your access to the things inside the wrapper.
 
2014-04-30 02:03:10 PM

mcreadyblue: Crotchrocket Slim: TNel: DaStompa: Wellon Dowd:

It's amazing our species survived before the invention of the mobile phone. All those people dying on the side of the road because they couldn't summon a tow truck, or because the only IT guy who knows how to reset the server was at the cinema.

Because the call wouldn't drop and they couldn't call right back when the man drove past, their phones would explode, killing hundreds, nay, thousands.

Learn to science

I'm glad you are on board with vigilante justice.  This is just a douche who thinks he better than everyone else.

This. There are very practical reasons these jammers are pretty damned illegal.

Cell jammers can be used on private property and by any Federal Agency.


LOL no they can't. You don't own the spectrum over your property not does any interference you put out magically stop at the property line.
 
2014-04-30 02:03:21 PM

StrangeQ: picturescrazy: Walker: I need one of those on the rare occasion that I go to see a movie. Annoying people texting and playing on their phones during the movie is why it's a rare occasion for me.

I've seen someone claim to use one here for that reason. That was ten years ago so hopefully he's stopped or been caught. Yeah the people in the theater are annoying but it's not your place to interrupt service in case of emergency. Especially since you'll effect far more people outside the theater than inside.

Again, it's absolutely amazing how we survived before cell phones.  I suppose it would be absolutely impossible to call the theater itself and ask them to page whoever you needed to get a hold of?


I'm not talking about someone trying to call someone IN the theater. I'm talking outgoing calls. And no, I don't trust a 16 year old kid to page someone in a full movie theater with movies playing. I also don't think it's realistic that anyone would know said person was in the movie theater in the first place. If a couple kids checking text messages bother you so much then don't go out.
 
2014-04-30 02:05:11 PM

StrangeQ: picturescrazy: Walker: I need one of those on the rare occasion that I go to see a movie. Annoying people texting and playing on their phones during the movie is why it's a rare occasion for me.

I've seen someone claim to use one here for that reason. That was ten years ago so hopefully he's stopped or been caught. Yeah the people in the theater are annoying but it's not your place to interrupt service in case of emergency. Especially since you'll effect far more people outside the theater than inside.

Again, it's absolutely amazing how we survived before cell phones.  I suppose it would be absolutely impossible to call the theater itself and ask them to page whoever you needed to get a hold of?


It's almost like people know longer give the details of their plans that they used to because there are cell phones now. And the kid at the theater has probable never been asked to find a customer before. Not to mention the same people who are rage-shiatting about people texting during the previews would ragearrhea at the house lights coming up so someone could come into the theater and ask for Dave.
 
2014-04-30 02:05:17 PM

buckler: StrangeQ: Maxout623: Wellon Dowd: kronicfeld: StrikitRich: Bet there were a lot of upset teenagers and soccer moms between Seffner and Tampa.

Or, you know, people with emergencies trying to call tow trucks, 9-1-1, highway services, etc.

It's amazing our species survived before the invention of the mobile phone. All those people dying on the side of the road because they couldn't summon a tow truck, or because the only IT guy who knows how to reset the server was at the cinema.

To be fair, society had a different way of asking for help when there car broke down. We had things like pay phones and sun screen protectors that literally said "Need assistance, call 911" on the back. When was the last time you've seen a pay phone?

When was the last time you ever saw a pay phone on the side of a highway?

I don't know if they still exist, but along I-4, there used to be free phones every couple of miles that connected with a dispatch service for police, highway patrol, ambulance, firefighters and tow services.


Nope. Florida is pulling them out. I travel down there regularly on business, and they have been taken down, or are in the process of doing so.
 
2014-04-30 02:09:04 PM

TNel: StrangeQ: As opposed to them interrupting the movie when they pull their phone out of their pocket and start yammering into it? The movie gets interrupted either way; if it's truly an emergency then it is forgivable. And if you do it my way, that is the only interruption you will see, as opposed to now where our OCD society can't stand going 90 minutes without sending a text.

Yeah because I'm sure this happens all the time.  I have never seen this.  I don't know what movie theaters you guys keep going to but I've seen people play on their phone before the movie but I have never seen or heard someone "yammering into it" during a movie.  I'm sure this is exactly like all the people that see foodstamp users buying steak and lobsters all the time.


Apparently lots of serious Fark cinephiles went to Twilight on opening weekend.
 
2014-04-30 02:09:20 PM

dittybopper: Most phones these days can go through WiFi. Hell, my wife's TracFone does that. Set the phone up to use WiFi if available. Problem solved.

Or, you could actually have phone service to your house. Because if you've got WiFi connection to the intarwebs, you're getting that somehow, and you can get phone service that same way, most likely.


No not most phones, the el cheapo carriers have that setup because they don't want you to use cell towers and want you to use your own bandwidth that is how they save money.  "normal" carriers do not allow that unless you buy a cell to lan base station.

So I get a home phone and then what happens when I leave that house?  So let me guess you want me to setup google voice to auto-forward calls to the other number.... too much work for what benefit?  Someone seeing my SSID?
 
2014-04-30 02:10:18 PM
About 20 years ago a guy I worked with had a little X band radar transmitter.  Just strong enough to trigger radar detectors.  Twice I went on road trips with him, where he would occasionally turn it on in highway traffic.  The brake lights and swiveling heads were pretty funny.
 
2014-04-30 02:14:37 PM

dittybopper: TNel: I mean who needs cell service when my neighbors can see my SSID.

That's just it:  They *COULDN'T* see it, because it would be stopped by the cage.  Think of it as an aluminum foil wrapper:  It keeps the stuff on the inside from getting out, and the stuff outside from getting in, but if you're inside it, it doesn't stop your access to the things inside the wrapper.


Um yes I understand that.  What I'm getting at is you will have no cell service because you are afraid that your neighbors will see your SSID.  Put a damn password on it and call it a day.  Unless you pissed off your neighbors they are not going to try and hack your wifi.
 
2014-04-30 02:17:51 PM
TNel:Yeah because I'm sure this happens all the time.  I have never seen this.  I don't know what movie theaters you guys keep going to but I've seen people play on their phone before the movie but I have never seen or heard someone "yammering into it" during a movie.  I'm sure this is exactly like all the people that see foodstamp users buying steak and lobsters all the time.

I dunno about steak and lobster, but a few years back a dude right in front of me answered his cell phone (ringer was NOT on silent) and was talking on it for like 2 minutes. I did not video tape it, but it happened. Just because you haven't seen it doesn't make it a lie. That was the last time I went to the theater on a Friday or Saturday night. Seems to me like that's when people that simply want to be entertained go. People that want to watch the movie go during the slower times.
 
2014-04-30 02:18:44 PM

TNel: dittybopper: TNel: I mean who needs cell service when my neighbors can see my SSID.

That's just it:  They *COULDN'T* see it, because it would be stopped by the cage.  Think of it as an aluminum foil wrapper:  It keeps the stuff on the inside from getting out, and the stuff outside from getting in, but if you're inside it, it doesn't stop your access to the things inside the wrapper.

Um yes I understand that.  What I'm getting at is you will have no cell service because you are afraid that your neighbors will see your SSID.  Put a damn password on it and call it a day.  Unless you pissed off your neighbors they are not going to try and hack your wifi.


Also you can force a router to give up the SSID with free open source tools that work by just cd boot.
 
2014-04-30 02:22:48 PM

Click Click D'oh: I'm sure someone will be along shortly to tell us the physics are all wrong and it's not possible to do what this guy was doing... but if we had read the original specs in German we would have known that already.


The physics is correct for the jammer to work: His jammer is closer to the receivers he wants to block than the cell tower is.
He didn't have to be putting out more than 3.6 kilowatts from 35 meters away in order to overwhelm a 0.05 watt signal that only has to travel 13 centimeters.

You should go back to the talent store and wish for something useful, because the only real talent you've demonstrated so far is one for calling me out and being wrong.

/Makes me wonder how many of your students you've killed by setting them up for failure.
 
2014-04-30 02:23:44 PM
I died in 1978 because cellphones weren't invented yet.
 
2014-04-30 02:24:24 PM

olapbill: Click Click D'oh: I'm sure someone will be along shortly to tell us the physics are all wrong and it's not possible to do what this guy was doing... but if we had read the original specs in German we would have known that already.

specs in ze deutsch?


Your pun is die wurst.
 
2014-04-30 02:26:39 PM

TNel: dittybopper: TNel: I mean who needs cell service when my neighbors can see my SSID.

That's just it:  They *COULDN'T* see it, because it would be stopped by the cage.  Think of it as an aluminum foil wrapper:  It keeps the stuff on the inside from getting out, and the stuff outside from getting in, but if you're inside it, it doesn't stop your access to the things inside the wrapper.

Um yes I understand that.  What I'm getting at is you will have no cell service because you are afraid that your neighbors will see your SSID.  Put a damn password on it and call it a day.  Unless you pissed off your neighbors they are not going to try and hack your wifi.


Just turn off SSID broadcast.  I think that's been a feature for about a decade or so.
 
2014-04-30 02:31:36 PM
I know he thought what he was doing was right, but there are too many everyday things that use cell service that are not phones
 
2014-04-30 02:32:25 PM

Gunderson: This A-hole was blocking cell phone calls done in a legal manner as well.  There are people who talk on cell phones using bluetooth or a hand-free device.

Now if only someone sold a cellphone unjammer to counteract the jammers...


That's not how jamming technology works.  If it was we'd be able to make a device that makes megaphones quiet.
 
2014-04-30 02:39:08 PM

TNel: dittybopper: TNel: I mean who needs cell service when my neighbors can see my SSID.

That's just it:  They *COULDN'T* see it, because it would be stopped by the cage.  Think of it as an aluminum foil wrapper:  It keeps the stuff on the inside from getting out, and the stuff outside from getting in, but if you're inside it, it doesn't stop your access to the things inside the wrapper.

Um yes I understand that.  What I'm getting at is you will have no cell service because you are afraid that your neighbors will see your SSID.  Put a damn password on it and call it a day.  Unless you pissed off your neighbors they are not going to try and hack your wifi.


Wrong, wrong, wrong.

I'm saying that the neighbors couldn't get into your WiFi, period.  They can't see the SSID because there would be no detectable signal outside your house.  Meaning "no detectable RF energy", not just that you SSID is hidden.

The added benefit being, in a crowded RF environment, you'll have higher speeds because you won't have interference.

You're also assuming that everyone has a cellphone.  They don't.  I don't, for example, and as I pointed out, you can use your phone on WiFi while you're inside your cage, if the cell phone is your only phone.

No not most phones, the el cheapo carriers have that setup because they don't want you to use cell towers and want you to use your own bandwidth that is how they save money.  "normal" carriers do not allow that unless you buy a cell to lan base station.

Bullshiat.  iPhones have the capability, as do the Samsung Galaxy smartphones.  Plus, like I said, my wife's TracPhone has the capability (can't remember the make and model).
 
2014-04-30 02:39:31 PM

demaL-demaL-yeH: olapbill: Click Click D'oh: I'm sure someone will be along shortly to tell us the physics are all wrong and it's not possible to do what this guy was doing... but if we had read the original specs in German we would have known that already.

specs in ze deutsch?

Your pun is die wurst.


brat!
wurst.
 
2014-04-30 02:44:11 PM

Gunderson: This A-hole was blocking cell phone calls done in a legal manner as well.  There are people who talk on cell phones using bluetooth or a hand-free device.

Now if only someone sold a cellphone unjammer to counteract the jammers...

redmid17: Click Click D'oh: I'm sure someone will be along shortly to tell us the physics are all wrong and it's not possible to do what this guy was doing... but if we had read the original specs in German we would have known that already.

I finally found one thing (two if you include the challenge authentication method) he was talking about but he never did provide a link to the German specs. The best he mustered up was the patent, which supported none of what he was saying, and then the FCC docs, which corroborated the frequency the authentication.

He then told me to go find the German documents myself. How useful. I wasn't even questioning if he was correct. I just wanted to read the stuff in German.


I linked the company's German web site for you.
I told you to go to the EU patent site to read the German language version of the patent, since I'd already linked the EU official English-language version of the patent.
I also farking linked you to the FCC certifications for the devices. With nice detailed pictures of the damned things so you can reverse engineer them. This included the interference test results by the German testing company (I also provided a link to their German language home page): Zigbee protocol - DS spread-spectrum frequency-hopping - in the 916 MHz ICOM band, which, coincidentally is also an RFID band that uses *drum roll* DS spread-spectrum frequency hopping (12.3 in the RFID spec).

/I also refuse to hold your hand when you need to pee.
 
2014-04-30 02:48:02 PM

demaL-demaL-yeH: /Makes me wonder how many of your students you've killed by setting them up for failure.


Who are you and what are you rambling about?
 
2014-04-30 02:48:11 PM

dittybopper: ItachiNai: kendelrio: Ftfa: "agents from the FCC's enforcement division"

Waitaminnit. That's a real thing?

/backs out of thread and starts dismantling antennas.

Try building a biquad dish antenna for your wifi card, then boosting the power up to a couple of watts.  You'll get APs from many miles away, but then you've also built a transmitter that operates in the licensed and restricted power range, as well as a focused transmission device (dish), both of which can put you squarely in the FCC enforcement division's crosshairs due to its ability to "shout" over other devices in its line of sight.

You ever read that little tag that says "This device complies with part 15 of the FCC rules..."?  They've tried to strike a balance between how powerful a consumer device should be and likely density of those devices from one another.  That way your neighbor's wireless keyboard doesn't flood yours into disconnecting (among many other potential cases).  If the FCC didn't enforce the rules, consumers and companies alike would simply keep escalating the power levels in an attempt to make their device more appealing to customers, or to unfairly crowd out other similar devices in the area, to the point where every time the gadget whore next door keyed up his brand new two-way radios, the neighborhood would lose its wifi connection.  Also all the popcorn in the pantry could start popping.

Actually, if you're a ham, you can do that because you're operating under Part 97, not Part 15.

But only on certain WiFi channels that coincide with ham bands.

I know a fellow ham who is heavily into the whole satellite thing.  He's got a dish with a 2.4 GHz feed on a 30 foot tower with an azimuth/elevation rotator.   When he plugs his router into the 7/8ths hardline that feeds that dish, he can see literally hundreds of SSIDs from miles and miles away.

Also, there has been a lot of interesting work being done with self-configuring mesh networks by hams using modified WiFi routers and spec ...


There was a time where all of the above would have been in a Star Trek script...
 
2014-04-30 02:50:09 PM

hungryhungryhorus: Gunderson: This A-hole was blocking cell phone calls done in a legal manner as well.  There are people who talk on cell phones using bluetooth or a hand-free device.

Now if only someone sold a cellphone unjammer to counteract the jammers...

That's not how jamming technology works.  If it was we'd be able to make a device that makes megaphones quiet.


They do, but they aren't perfect.
 
2014-04-30 02:51:48 PM

Click Click D'oh: demaL-demaL-yeH: /Makes me wonder how many of your students you've killed by setting them up for failure.

Who are you and what are you rambling about?


You can't even tell a lie well, tex.
 
2014-04-30 02:54:37 PM

Walker:  Annoying people texting and playing on their phones during the movie is why it's a rare occasion for me.



The volume in the movie theater is way too loud which is why movies are a rare occasion for me.

That said, I think schools and universities should have cell phone jammers in classrooms.
 
2014-04-30 02:59:17 PM

This Looks Fun: Which is to say that, yes, you're correct; cell phones are not the only way to summon help in an emergency and before their invention, lots of people still survived emergencies. But if you're arguing that cell phones do not help save lives, then I have to disagree.


I'd be willing to bet there's been a lot more deaths caused by people talking on cell phones while driving than lives saved by people talking on cell phones while driving.
 
2014-04-30 03:00:04 PM

dittybopper: Wrong, wrong, wrong.I'm saying that the neighbors couldn't get into your WiFi, period. They can't see the SSID because there would be no detectable signal outside your house. Meaning "no detectable RF energy", not just that you SSID is hidden.The added benefit being, in a crowded RF environment, you'll have higher speeds because you won't have interference.You're also assuming that everyone has a cellphone. They don't. I don't, for example, and as I pointed out, you can use your phone on WiFi while you're inside your cage, if the cell phone is your only phone.No not most phones, the el cheapo carriers have that setup because they don't want you to use cell towers and want you to use your own bandwidth that is how they save money. "normal" carriers do not allow that unless you buy a cell to lan base station.Bullshiat. iPhones have the capability, as do the Samsung Galaxy smartphones. Plus, like I said, my wife's TracPhone has the capability (can't remember the make and model).


WTH is my browser doing with quotes now... anyway

Higher speeds.... yeah sure I'm sure that extra few bits is going to matter.  If you aren't using 5GHz then you are a fool, higher speeds and basically a zero percent chance of same channel.

By default a S anything that is not on a carrier that allows wifi calling does not have the ability.  My S3 does not even have the option in settings because ATT does not allow it.  You must use an app like:
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.gvoip&hl=en
 
2014-04-30 03:02:04 PM

demaL-demaL-yeH: You can't even tell a lie well, tex.


Huh?  Seriously, wut?
 
2014-04-30 03:03:01 PM

demaL-demaL-yeH: Gunderson: This A-hole was blocking cell phone calls done in a legal manner as well.  There are people who talk on cell phones using bluetooth or a hand-free device.

Now if only someone sold a cellphone unjammer to counteract the jammers...
redmid17: Click Click D'oh: I'm sure someone will be along shortly to tell us the physics are all wrong and it's not possible to do what this guy was doing... but if we had read the original specs in German we would have known that already.

I finally found one thing (two if you include the challenge authentication method) he was talking about but he never did provide a link to the German specs. The best he mustered up was the patent, which supported none of what he was saying, and then the FCC docs, which corroborated the frequency the authentication.

He then told me to go find the German documents myself. How useful. I wasn't even questioning if he was correct. I just wanted to read the stuff in German.

I linked the company's German web site for you.
I told you to go to the EU patent site to read the German language version of the patent, since I'd already linked the EU official English-language version of the patent.
I also farking linked you to the FCC certifications for the devices. With nice detailed pictures of the damned things so you can reverse engineer them. This included the interference test results by the German testing company (I also provided a link to their German language home page): Zigbee protocol - DS spread-spectrum frequency-hopping - in the 916 MHz ICOM band, which, coincidentally is also an RFID band that uses *drum roll* DS spread-spectrum frequency hopping (12.3 in the RFID spec).

/I also refuse to hold your hand when you need to pee.


Yes and the company's website has zero useful material in English or German as far as I can tell.
The English patent didn't have what you said it had.
The FCC certifications backed up one of the things you said.

You weren't holding hands. You were tossing paper into the wind. I wasn't even disagreeing with you. I just wanted to read the German patents you claimed to have read (mostly because reading German newspapers doesn't let me brush up on technical writing). For someone who read the German patents and probably has the URL in his browser history, you went to extensive lengths to *not* show it.
 
2014-04-30 03:10:25 PM

TNel: By default a S anything that is not on a carrier that allows wifi calling does not have the ability.  My S3 does not even have the option in settings because ATT does not allow it.  You must use an app like:
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.gvoip&hl=en


That's the fault of your carrier, not your phone.  Your phone has the hardware to do it, and if you wanted to, you could switch carriers.

But meh.  Like I said, I don't have a cell phone, nor will I ever own one.  I don't need one.  Though I would probably think about it if Gmail Tap was actually a real thing.  Until then, I'll just keep using Morse code the old fashioned way.
 
2014-04-30 03:18:44 PM

redmid17: demaL-demaL-yeH: Gunderson: This A-hole was blocking cell phone calls done in a legal manner as well.  There are people who talk on cell phones using bluetooth or a hand-free device.

Now if only someone sold a cellphone unjammer to counteract the jammers...
redmid17: Click Click D'oh: I'm sure someone will be along shortly to tell us the physics are all wrong and it's not possible to do what this guy was doing... but if we had read the original specs in German we would have known that already.

I finally found one thing (two if you include the challenge authentication method) he was talking about but he never did provide a link to the German specs. The best he mustered up was the patent, which supported none of what he was saying, and then the FCC docs, which corroborated the frequency the authentication.

He then told me to go find the German documents myself. How useful. I wasn't even questioning if he was correct. I just wanted to read the stuff in German.

I linked the company's German web site for you.
I told you to go to the EU patent site to read the German language version of the patent, since I'd already linked the EU official English-language version of the patent.
I also farking linked you to the FCC certifications for the devices. With nice detailed pictures of the damned things so you can reverse engineer them. This included the interference test results by the German testing company (I also provided a link to their German language home page): Zigbee protocol - DS spread-spectrum frequency-hopping - in the 916 MHz ICOM band, which, coincidentally is also an RFID band that uses *drum roll* DS spread-spectrum frequency hopping (12.3 in the RFID spec).

/I also refuse to hold your hand when you need to pee.

Yes and the company's website has zero useful material in English or German as far as I can tell.
The English patent didn't have what you said it had.
The FCC certifications backed up one of the things you said.

You weren't holding hands. You were to ...


Okay and I found the German patent. Still doesn't mention the Zigbee protocol or SSPH.
 
2014-04-30 03:20:36 PM

nyrB: This Looks Fun: Which is to say that, yes, you're correct; cell phones are not the only way to summon help in an emergency and before their invention, lots of people still survived emergencies. But if you're arguing that cell phones do not help save lives, then I have to disagree.

I'd be willing to bet there's been a lot more deaths caused by people talking on cell phones while driving than lives saved by people talking on cell phones while driving.


Your hypothetical bet has nothing to do with the fact that when an emergency presents itself on the road, a working cell phone can mean the difference between life and death. Just because guns cause more deaths than they prevent doesn't mean we should ban all guns. OR DOES IT?!
 
2014-04-30 03:21:19 PM

BigSnatch: Jammers have no effect on my cell phone service, I already have Sprint.



You misspelled AT&T.
 
2014-04-30 03:29:31 PM
Device
Not
Illegal
 
2014-04-30 03:55:16 PM
Phone or no phones, I-4 is the scariest highway I've ever driven on.

You've got blind with cataracts old people, meth-addicted Polk County rednecks, and Disney-bound minivans (happy stick figure family stickers included) with mom losing her shiat, screaming at the 6 kids in the backseat the entire drive... all of whom driving at a speed somewhere between 40 and 95 MPH, and all insisting they have full authority to use the left lane.
 
2014-04-30 03:57:33 PM
Never expected to see so many pro phone comments.  Every bar, restaurant or store I go in there are so many people on the phone it's weird.  I really want a jammer.  Great when you see a table of 8 and all of them are on the phone so the server can't get their attention to place order.  The world has gone to hell.
 
2014-04-30 04:02:50 PM

This Looks Fun: Your hypothetical bet has nothing to do with the fact that when an emergency presents itself on the road, a working cell phone can mean the difference between life and death. Just because guns cause more deaths than they prevent doesn't mean we should ban all guns. OR DOES IT?!


It's a moot point.  Sure, that working cell phone *could* mean the difference between life and death.  Arming children with tasers and bearspray *could* prevent them from being kidnapped.  You have to weigh the pros and cons.  Have we, as a society, actually benefited from being able to talk on the phone while driving?  I'd say no.  The down-side's too large.
 
2014-04-30 04:10:52 PM

Rent Party: kendelrio: Ftfa: "agents from the FCC's enforcement division"

Waitaminnit. That's a real thing?

/backs out of thread and starts dismantling antennas.

Yes, and it's one of the few federal agencies that should have one.   When people start dicking around with airline, rail road, and shipping frequencies, seriously bad things can happen.   There is a reason the FCC exists, and it's not just to prevent you from seeing tits on TV.


Agreed. But I can't believe it is illegal to own a jammer.  Certainly illegal to use one, and maybe even to sell something for this expressed purpose; but to own one?  Has anyone looked that up?

/bookmark for after work :)
 
2014-04-30 04:12:49 PM

frozenhotchocolate: I would imagine that his approach would be more distracting than not. If people driving alongside him all of a sudden lost cell service they would all be glued to their phones wondering and attempting to fix whatever happened. Either way forty eight thousand dollars seems appropriate.


I don't think 48,000 dollars is appropriate,  Punishments should be designed to be stiff but still realistic.  It's not realistic to think that any normal person has 48,000 dollars sitting around.  We need to differentiate between corporations and citizens when we start making punishments,  You just cannot treat them the same.
 
2014-04-30 04:13:56 PM
SteakMan:
Agreed. But I can't believe it is illegal to own a jammer.  Certainly illegal to use one, and maybe even to sell something for this expressed purpose; but to own one?  Has anyone looked that up?

Does this device have some other legitimate purpose?  If the answer to that is "no" then there is no practical difference between prohibiting possession and prohibiting use, but a very real difference in the  public safety outcomes.
 
2014-04-30 04:16:52 PM

thesubliminalman: Never expected to see so many pro phone comments.  Every bar, restaurant or store I go in there are so many people on the phone it's weird.  I really want a jammer.  Great when you see a table of 8 and all of them are on the phone so the server can't get their attention to place order.  The world has gone to hell.


What's it matter to you?  Why do you think you are so special that you should be able to disrupt others?  If the server can't get their attention trust me she will get revenge by either letting the cooks know or by being really slow with their service there is no reason for you to poke your little dick into someone else's affairs.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2014-04-30 04:23:42 PM
The FCC letter to the guy does not mention any regulation prohibiting possession of a jammer, and 47 USC 302a does not prohibit possession without use. A jammer might be subject to seizure as contraband. It is hard to acquire one legally.
 
2014-04-30 04:25:37 PM

Warlordtrooper: frozenhotchocolate: I would imagine that his approach would be more distracting than not. If people driving alongside him all of a sudden lost cell service they would all be glued to their phones wondering and attempting to fix whatever happened. Either way forty eight thousand dollars seems appropriate.

I don't think 48,000 dollars is appropriate,  Punishments should be designed to be stiff but still realistic.  It's not realistic to think that any normal person has 48,000 dollars sitting around.  We need to differentiate between corporations and citizens when we start making punishments,  You just cannot treat them the same.


He wasn't just shutting down private citizens cell service. The device he was using shut down the police radio and could have shut down the communication system of an ambulance. I'm sure he can suspend the fine and go to jail instead.
 
2014-04-30 04:28:59 PM

TNel: give me doughnuts: TNel: give me doughnuts: If they were dicking around with their phones rather than paying attention to traffic, then they earned their tragic deaths.

If those girls didn't wear short skirts they wouldn't get raped, they deserved it for looking like sluts.


Nice comparison. Here's another one: Apples are just like toasters because reasons.

Why not?  Both your example and mine are of people doing legal things (using their phone vs wearing clothing) and you said it's ok if bad things happen to them for doing a legal activity.


You may want to check and see how many states have laws against using your phone and/or texting while driving.

You may also really want to think about your initial camparison, see which requires the ill-intent and criminal acts of another person. Then think about how stupid you were for making the comparison in the first place.
 
2014-04-30 04:30:00 PM

Rent Party: Does this device have some other legitimate purpose?  If the answer to that is "no" then there is no practical difference between prohibiting possession and prohibiting use, but a very real difference in the  public safety outcomes.


RF noise generator.
 
2014-04-30 04:32:08 PM

nyrB: This Looks Fun: Your hypothetical bet has nothing to do with the fact that when an emergency presents itself on the road, a working cell phone can mean the difference between life and death. Just because guns cause more deaths than they prevent doesn't mean we should ban all guns. OR DOES IT?!

It's a moot point.  Sure, that working cell phone *could* mean the difference between life and death.  Arming children with tasers and bearspray *could* prevent them from being kidnapped.  You have to weigh the pros and cons.  Have we, as a society, actually benefited from being able to talk on the phone while driving?  I'd say no.  The down-side's too large.


The fact that cell phones are dangerous when used while driving is unrelated to the fact that they can save lives after crashing. The first is a case of misuse. The second is use case. Should we also ban spray paint to prevent huffing and graffiti? Ban painkillers to prevent abuse? There is downside to everything. The way to cure downside is to expose it and to teach it. Unfortunately, like guns and unlike drugs, etc this is something that when misused because a murder machine and not a suicide machine. The highways are already unsafe. I want fast access to help.
 
2014-04-30 04:32:59 PM

dittybopper: Rent Party: Does this device have some other legitimate purpose?  If the answer to that is "no" then there is no practical difference between prohibiting possession and prohibiting use, but a very real difference in the  public safety outcomes.

RF noise generator.


Yup.  I was going to call it lab equipment.
 
2014-04-30 04:34:49 PM

Rent Party: kendelrio: Rent Party: kendelrio: Ftfa: "agents from the FCC's enforcement division"

Waitaminnit. That's a real thing?

/backs out of thread and starts dismantling antennas.

Yes, and it's one of the few federal agencies that should have one.   When people start dicking around with airline, rail road, and shipping frequencies, seriously bad things can happen.   There is a reason the FCC exists, and it's not just to prevent you from seeing tits on TV.

Ya but keeping me from seeing tits when I was young scarred me.

You never fought with the scrambled cable porn thing?

This was my misspent youth.

[www.okgazette.com image 622x468]


Nah, my dad built a descrambler for the video.  Videocipher II video was easy to reconstruct.
 
2014-04-30 04:38:23 PM
 FTA: The FCC action now starts a 30-day clock for Humphreys to either pay or give a reason why he won't. If he doesn't, the FCC can force payment.

The FCC can do this without going to court? The more you know.
 
2014-04-30 04:39:02 PM

dittybopper: Rent Party: Does this device have some other legitimate purpose?  If the answer to that is "no" then there is no practical difference between prohibiting possession and prohibiting use, but a very real difference in the  public safety outcomes.

RF noise generator.


That isn't designed for broadcast.   No antenna, no amp, no nothing.  That, in and of itself, doesn't do what you think it does.  It's about as hazardous as your cable connection.
 
2014-04-30 04:44:05 PM

This Looks Fun: The fact that cell phones are dangerous when used while driving is unrelated to the fact that they can save lives after crashing. The first is a case of misuse. The second is use case. Should we also ban spray paint to prevent huffing and graffiti? Ban painkillers to prevent abuse? There is downside to everything.


And that's why I said you have to weigh the pros and cons.  If far more lives are being lost because of driving and cell phones than we're saving, then that's a net-negative.


The way to cure downside is to expose it and to teach it.

It's been tried in this situation to little effect.  Even in places (such as where I live) where cellphone/driving use is banned, people still do it (and not just in isolated cases).


The highways are already unsafe. I want fast access to help.

They're unsafe in part because people insist on doing dumb things like texting or talking on the cell phone while they should be concentrating on the road.

How about a car-phone that only works when the car is not moving?  That would satisfy your need for access to emergency services wouldn't it?
 
2014-04-30 04:46:01 PM
andyofne:
Or maybe he caused some? People dicking with their phone trying to figure out why it stopped working.

He's an asshole not a hero.


He is Darwin's Scythe. And good on 'im, too.

farking hand-wringers ..
 
2014-04-30 04:49:16 PM

Gunderson: This A-hole was blocking cell phone calls done in a legal manner as well.  There are people who talk on cell phones using bluetooth or a hand-free device.


Those must be very important powerful people.
 
2014-04-30 05:02:12 PM

Rent Party: dittybopper: Rent Party: Does this device have some other legitimate purpose?  If the answer to that is "no" then there is no practical difference between prohibiting possession and prohibiting use, but a very real difference in the  public safety outcomes.

RF noise generator.

That isn't designed for broadcast.   No antenna, no amp, no nothing.  That, in and of itself, doesn't do what you think it does.  It's about as hazardous as your cable connection.


Add an antenna, and you've got a short range jammer.

Add a wideband RF amplifier between the two, and you've got a longer range jammer.

None of those things are illegal to own, or even, indeed, to assemble.  Hell, you could even transmit with it in the middle of farkin' nowhere and no one would give a crap.
 
2014-04-30 05:10:38 PM

dittybopper: Rent Party: dittybopper: Rent Party: Does this device have some other legitimate purpose?  If the answer to that is "no" then there is no practical difference between prohibiting possession and prohibiting use, but a very real difference in the  public safety outcomes.

RF noise generator.

That isn't designed for broadcast.   No antenna, no amp, no nothing.  That, in and of itself, doesn't do what you think it does.  It's about as hazardous as your cable connection.

Add an antenna, and you've got a short range jammer.


That is akin to adding an antenna to your cable connection and calling it a "jammer."

It's not.  I've got about 250W of combined radio wired up on my desk right now.   The leakage out of the attenuators puts out more power.

Add a wideband RF amplifier between the two, and you've got a longer range jammer.

I'm glad you have come to realize that that device, in and of itself, is not a jammer.  Adding a wide band RF amp between your cable connection and an antenna, and it would accomplish the same thing.

Moving the goalposts around isn't going to find you some other legitimate use for this device.

Which is why they are, and should be, illegal.
 
2014-04-30 05:11:15 PM

impaler: give me doughnuts: If they were dicking around with their phones rather than paying attention to traffic, then they earned their tragic deaths.

Because traffic accidents always only affect the one guilty driver.


Because someone who is driving and chatting on a cellphone would just shrug and give up if his phone suddenly stopped working, instead of screwing with it and taking more of his attention off of the road.

There are reasons why ordinary citizens shouldn't enforce the law. It's because they suck at it.
 
2014-04-30 05:17:06 PM

nyrB: And that's why I said you have to weigh the pros and cons. If far more lives are being lost because of driving and cell phones than we're saving, then that's a net-negative.


As opposed to the pros and cons of using a very illegal cellphone jammer? Because this guy is at a net-negative of $30,000.
 
2014-04-30 05:17:43 PM
"You are cutting off any communication for any type of emergency,'' McKinnon said. "You are potentially putting people's lives at risk."

But you can own a gun and shoot someone if you feel they are threatening the 1 foot square space you are standing on. Carry on.

Cell jammers, more dangerous than your average shotgun.
 
2014-04-30 05:25:22 PM

Rent Party: It's not.  I've got about 250W of combined radio wired up on my desk right now.   The leakage out of the attenuators puts out more power.


Pfft.  I've got about as much myself sitting on the desk next to me.

Plus more in my car.

Right now I'm monitoring 146.52 MHz FM simplex, PSK31 on 20 Meters, and CW on 40 Meters.

And you're well aware, I'm sure, that it doesn't take very much power when you are very close to a receiver to drown out a much more distant, but more powerful, signal.

BTW, if you're a ham, let me know.  I keep the list for the next Fark QSO Party.
 
2014-04-30 05:26:49 PM

LoneWolf343: impaler: give me doughnuts: If they were dicking around with their phones rather than paying attention to traffic, then they earned their tragic deaths.

Because traffic accidents always only affect the one guilty driver.

Because someone who is driving and chatting on a cellphone would just shrug and give up if his phone suddenly stopped working, instead of screwing with it and taking more of his attention off of the road.

There are reasons why ordinary citizens shouldn't enforce the law. It's because they suck at it.


Except that's not enforcing the law.  That's breaking the law.
 
2014-04-30 05:32:36 PM

Walker: I need one of those on the rare occasion that I go to see a movie. Annoying people texting and playing on their phones during the movie is why it's a rare occasion for me.


One of the many advantages of living in Austin (some NSFW language):  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z98vawSOlK4
 
2014-04-30 05:34:31 PM

nyrB: This Looks Fun: Which is to say that, yes, you're correct; cell phones are not the only way to summon help in an emergency and before their invention, lots of people still survived emergencies. But if you're arguing that cell phones do not help save lives, then I have to disagree.

I'd be willing to bet there's been a lot more deaths caused by people talking on cell phones while driving than lives saved by people talking on cell phones while driving.


And how many deaths do you think will be caused by drivers talking on cell phones distracted by it fading in and out as vigilantes with jammers go past in the opposite direction? Cell phone jammers are hardly likely to cause the people that are trying to use them to give up, it will just make them even more distracted and less aware of what is happening around them while they try to redial, check the phone connection, etc., and when they crash more innocent people will get injured and killed in the ensuing increase in traffic accidents.
 
2014-04-30 05:35:58 PM
Allow me to also point out that if the police in this case weren't using stupid-ass trunking networks, the jammer would have been ineffectual against them.

I'm a big believer in having public safety communications being as independent of the local infrastructure as possible.  Now, I get that there are day-to-day advantages to trunking, but you end up relying on infrastructure that is going to fail when you need it the most.  That's what happened in New Orleans with Hurricane Katrina:  Once the emergency generators got flooded, the network the NOPD radios depended upon went down.

So yeah, have your fancy digital trunking system, but have a basic analog VHF or UHF system that will work when all the fancy shiat goes down.
 
2014-04-30 05:36:38 PM

foo monkey: BigSnatch: Jammers have no effect on my cell phone service, I already have Sprint.


You misspelled AT&T.


The letters are right next to each other.
 
2014-04-30 05:37:33 PM

xria: nyrB: This Looks Fun: Which is to say that, yes, you're correct; cell phones are not the only way to summon help in an emergency and before their invention, lots of people still survived emergencies. But if you're arguing that cell phones do not help save lives, then I have to disagree.

I'd be willing to bet there's been a lot more deaths caused by people talking on cell phones while driving than lives saved by people talking on cell phones while driving.

And how many deaths do you think will be caused by drivers talking on cell phones distracted by it fading in and out as vigilantes with jammers go past in the opposite direction? Cell phone jammers are hardly likely to cause the people that are trying to use them to give up, it will just make them even more distracted and less aware of what is happening around them while they try to redial, check the phone connection, etc., and when they crash more innocent people will get injured and killed in the ensuing increase in traffic accidents.


Would they even notice?

Back when cell phones were analog, you'd be able to hear the rising noise.  Now?  You'd just not hear them for a few moments, which you might not notice if you're the one jabbering away.
 
2014-04-30 05:43:27 PM
Rather tangentially, would it be enforceable for a theater to have fine print to the effect "By entering, you agree that any non-emergency use of cellular phones on these premises will result in forfeiture of that hardware. The burden to prove that any given instance was an emergency is yours."?
 
2014-04-30 05:45:19 PM

LoneWolf343: nyrB: And that's why I said you have to weigh the pros and cons. If far more lives are being lost because of driving and cell phones than we're saving, then that's a net-negative.

As opposed to the pros and cons of using a very illegal cellphone jammer? Because this guy is at a net-negative of $30,000.


Don't get me wrong -- I am NOT advocating vigilante cellphone jamming.  That guy was an out-and-out moron.  I'm just saying the ability to drive and use your phone at the same time may not necessarily be a good thing, and maybe we would all have been better off if we'd never been able to do so in the first place.
 
2014-04-30 05:48:32 PM
My cousin just picked me up and running he whole time we on our way to her house she was yapping on the phone and eating.
 
2014-04-30 05:58:27 PM

This Looks Fun: Wellon Dowd: It's amazing our species survived before the invention of the mobile phone. All those people dying on the side of the road because they couldn't summon a tow truck, or because the only IT guy who knows how to reset the server was at the cinema.

This sounds like the same argument my parents use when attempting to recommend things to me like putting pillows in my kid's crib. They say "well, you survived while having pillows in your crib." And it's true; I did. However, many children did not. Knowledge has improved and led to increased life-expectancy.

Which is to say that, yes, you're correct; cell phones are not the only way to summon help in an emergency and before their invention, lots of people still survived emergencies. But if you're arguing that cell phones do not help save lives, then I have to disagree.


I wonder how many SIDS cases were actually Shaken Baby Syndrome, before it was identified. I used to see all sorts of SIDS cases mentioned on the local news; now, not so much. But I do see the SBS cases making the news almost like SIDS has gone away...

https://www.dfps.state.tx.us/Child_Protection/Keep_Children_Safe/sbs _s ids.asp
 
2014-04-30 06:03:18 PM

nyrB: LoneWolf343: nyrB: And that's why I said you have to weigh the pros and cons. If far more lives are being lost because of driving and cell phones than we're saving, then that's a net-negative.

As opposed to the pros and cons of using a very illegal cellphone jammer? Because this guy is at a net-negative of $30,000.

Don't get me wrong -- I am NOT advocating vigilante cellphone jamming.  That guy was an out-and-out moron.  I'm just saying the ability to drive and use your phone at the same time may not necessarily be a good thing, and maybe we would all have been better off if we'd never been able to do so in the first place.


Well, Pandora's Box is open, so you might as well stop whining concern trolling about it.
 
2014-04-30 06:11:55 PM

LoneWolf343: Well, Pandora's Box is open, so you might as well stop whining concern trolling about it.


But what about the children???
 
2014-04-30 06:16:34 PM

This Looks Fun: I dunno about steak and lobster, but a few years back a dude right in front of me answered his cell phone (ringer was NOT on silent) and was talking on it for like 2 minutes. I did not video tape it, but it happened. Just because you haven't seen it doesn't make it a lie. That was the last time I went to the theater on a Friday or Saturday night. Seems to me like that's when people that simply want to be entertained go. People that want to watch the movie go during the slower times.


nscsb:

Several years ago we're sitting in the movies and the guy behind us gets a call.  First it's the ring tone.  Then he answers it and carries on a conversation for maybe 5 minutes.  It's all, no, we're not doing much.  We're just at the movies.  Watching (insert name of movie I can't remember here).  Came over with my wife.  After the movies we're probably going shopping, maybe grab some dinner.  I hear so and so is having a special.  Etc, etc, blah blah blah.

Everybody around him was shushing him, there were several yells of get off the damn phone.

In the end he was like, okay, I'll let you go now.

What an asshole.

/nscsb
 
2014-04-30 06:43:36 PM

ZAZ: The offense is a "forfeiture" rather than a "crime", meaning the government does not have to prove its case to a jury of human beings who just might think he is a hero.


On the other hand, he doesn't have to appear in front of a jury of humans who just might think that his car needs to be set on fire with him and the jammer inside.

Instead the defendant in an administrative forfeiture action is asked to prove he is innocent.

To be fair, the government should have to prove he's guilty.

Exhibit A: all the technical data gathered by the people investigating this shiat.
Exhibit B: the jammer recovered from his car
Exhibit C: the part where he confessed to the police.

So he's pretty farking guilty.  Let's move to the penalty phase, where we multiply the amount of time he had it in operation by the value of the inconvenience/harm caused and end up with a dollar amount greater than his total   lifetime earnings.
 
2014-04-30 06:48:02 PM

Rent Party: Just turn off SSID broadcast. I think that's been a feature for about a decade or so.


That's farking useless.
 
2014-04-30 07:03:36 PM

dittybopper: Rent Party: It's not.  I've got about 250W of combined radio wired up on my desk right now.   The leakage out of the attenuators puts out more power.

Pfft.  I've got about as much myself sitting on the desk next to me.

Plus more in my car.

Right now I'm monitoring 146.52 MHz FM simplex, PSK31 on 20 Meters, and CW on 40 Meters.

And you're well aware, I'm sure, that it doesn't take very much power when you are very close to a receiver to drown out a much more distant, but more powerful, signal.

BTW, if you're a ham, let me know.  I keep the list for the next Fark QSO Party.


These are commercial radios for industrial applications.  4QPSK, 132 channels on the 220MHZ band.   There are some serious radio geniuses around here (you can't swing a dead cat without hitting a Ph.D) that might be able to carry voice on them, but I'm not one of them.   :)

I do have a little Yaesu at home and have been studying for the technicians exam.  I just haven't taken it yet.  The statutory stuff kills me.
 
2014-04-30 07:50:10 PM

Wellon Dowd: kronicfeld: StrikitRich: Bet there were a lot of upset teenagers and soccer moms between Seffner and Tampa.

Or, you know, people with emergencies trying to call tow trucks, 9-1-1, highway services, etc.

It's amazing our species survived before the invention of the mobile phone. All those people dying on the side of the road because they couldn't summon a tow truck, or because the only IT guy who knows how to reset the server was at the cinema.


Heh.  This.  So people in an emergency tried to use their phones once, and got jammed.  Then...never tried again and instead died on the side of the road.

Seems legit!
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2014-04-30 07:50:19 PM
It's Me Bender

It would be an interesting trial if, as in some states, the jury chose the penalty. There is a good chance of a "hang up and drive" juror hanging the jury. On the other hand, lots of people here assumed evil corporate plaintiff RIAA could never win against the little guy. The jury could buy the public safety argument just like the juries in the RIAA cases accepted executives' testimony about billions of dollars in losses.
 
2014-04-30 07:52:57 PM
When I use my cellphone in the car its because i need too.  Everyone is a maniac who can't drive
 
2014-04-30 08:26:26 PM
Many law enforcement agencies keep connections with laptops using air cards over cellular service. When those things go down, it can be a real biatch to reconnect and then log back onto various programs. This jerk off is really only thinking about himself. Also, passengers riding in a car don't pose a threat at all, yet this guy thinks he can lord over them, too, and disconnect them. Plenty of places on I-4 are you basically stuck in one spot, slowly moving, the same car next to you for miles and miles. I'd hate to be the poor shlub who is running late, stuck in traffic, and gets in trouble with his boss because he didn't call to notify them because his call wouldn't go through, thanks to the ass hat in the car next to him blocking his signal.
 
2014-04-30 08:33:00 PM

TNel: By default a S anything that is not on a carrier that allows wifi calling does not have the ability. My S3 does not even have the option in settings because ATT does not allow it. You must use an app like:


Just because your carrier rapes you in the ass, that does not mean that other carriers are inferior for not raping their customers up the ass.

That is unless you are enjoying that ass rape.
 
2014-04-30 09:11:25 PM
csb time (second hand story from a broadcast engineer)

A radio station has a microwave link from their studios (in the city) to their transmitter (in the sticks).  Suddenly, the microwave link starts dropping every afternoon during afternoon drive, the prime advertising time after work.  The engineer cannot find any reason for the drops, but is told to find the reason and fix it or find another job.

The problem happens every weekday about the same time, but not at the exact same time, and never on the weekend.  The engineer starts to wonder if the issue is rush-hour traffic related.

He goes out in front of the building with his radio and a camera, and when the signal cuts out, he takes a snapshot of the traffic.  He does this for a few days until there is only one vehicle, a blue truck, that's common to all the photos.  The next afternoon, he waits for the truck.  The link dies as the truck passes, and the engineer then follows the truck home and confronts the driver in his driveway.

Turns out it was the same kind of guy; he had a mobile jammer and just hated people talking on phones.  The engineer explained the trouble it was causing him as well as it being a crime and what the possible penalties are.  Told the guy to either cut it out or start going home a different way, because the next time the link dropped unexpectedly, he was calling the police and the FCC.

The engineer was nicer (and braver) about it than I would have been . . . I would have gone straight to the cops.  Some nutter with a jammer might be some nutter with a gun!


/ end csb
 
2014-04-30 10:15:07 PM

Wellon Dowd: Crotchrocket Slim: TNel: DaStompa: Wellon Dowd:

It's amazing our species survived before the invention of the mobile phone. All those people dying on the side of the road because they couldn't summon a tow truck, or because the only IT guy who knows how to reset the server was at the cinema.

Because the call wouldn't drop and they couldn't call right back when the man drove past, their phones would explode, killing hundreds, nay, thousands.

Learn to science

I'm glad you are on board with vigilante justice.  This is just a douche who thinks he better than everyone else.

This. There are very practical reasons these jammers are pretty damned illegal.

I agree that jammers shouldn't be available to the general public. I just hate the argument that mobile phone use is sacrosanct because of won't somebody please think of the children?!


That's not why jammers are illegal, dumbass.
 
2014-05-01 12:57:40 AM

dittybopper: Allow me to also point out that if the police in this case weren't using stupid-ass trunking networks, the jammer would have been ineffectual against them.

I'm a big believer in having public safety communications being as independent of the local infrastructure as possible.  Now, I get that there are day-to-day advantages to trunking, but you end up relying on infrastructure that is going to fail when you need it the most.  That's what happened in New Orleans with Hurricane Katrina:  Once the emergency generators got flooded, the network the NOPD radios depended upon went down.

So yeah, have your fancy digital trunking system, but have a basic analog VHF or UHF system that will work when all the fancy shiat goes down.


VHF and UFH don't magically work without power either, and besides all trunking radio networks can failsoft into a standard frequency with talkgroups assigned beforehand to a control frequency. Your suggesting cities buy, maintain and service two separate radio systems, all users which are usually hundreds to carry two different radios which is logistically difficult and hideously expensive.. If NOPD lost trunking due to generators they planned poorly especially for a city inside a bowl surrounded by water. Perhaps if 1% of the cash Nagin stole made it into infrastructure chocolate city would of kept their radio system up?
 
2014-05-01 01:03:23 AM

Wake Up Sheeple: I wonder how many SIDS cases were actually Shaken Baby Syndrome, before it was identified. I used to see all sorts of SIDS cases mentioned on the local news; now, not so much. But I do see the SBS cases making the news almost like SIDS has gone away...

https://www.dfps.state.tx.us/Child_Protection/Keep_Children_Safe/sbs _s ids.asp


As a fairly new parent, my hours of rigorous online research would say it might be some isolated cases, but the bigger studies have controlled for that and found the highest correlation to SIDS was higher bedroom temperatures, stomach sleeping, and restricted skin circulation.
 
2014-05-01 01:20:43 AM

Saiga410: Click Click D'oh: I'm sure someone will be along shortly to tell us the physics are all wrong and it's not possible to do what this guy was doing... but if we had read the original specs in German we would have known that already.

It wouldn work in a moving car.  If he was driving at relativistic speeds the jaming signal would red shift and out of the needed radio frequency band.


How about at say 10 mph?
 
2014-05-01 01:47:32 AM

Wellon Dowd: All those people dying on the side of the road because they couldn't summon a tow truck, or because the only IT guy who knows how to reset the server was at the cinema.

I know you're trying to be facetious, but combined with seatbelts and airbags, the capability of being able to call emergency services much more quickly has helped to reduce roadway deaths dramatically - so that there are now less deaths than seen in nearly 70 years.

In the 'golden hour' of being able to take care of someone after a serious wreck/injury, every minute counts. The spread of cell phones may cause some distracted driving crashes, but they save many, many more people with being able to contact emergency services moments after an incident.

Blocking, indiscriminately, nearly all communications in an area is serious stuff. It may kill the signal for people immediately around him, but it introduces all sorts of havoc in the EM spectrum, that'll affect all wireless communications for miles around, likely with reduced transmit distance and greatly increased static.

/used to run a pirate FM radio station
//got pretty good at bouncing the signal around
 
2014-05-01 07:46:56 AM

abiigdog: dittybopper: Allow me to also point out that if the police in this case weren't using stupid-ass trunking networks, the jammer would have been ineffectual against them.

I'm a big believer in having public safety communications being as independent of the local infrastructure as possible.  Now, I get that there are day-to-day advantages to trunking, but you end up relying on infrastructure that is going to fail when you need it the most.  That's what happened in New Orleans with Hurricane Katrina:  Once the emergency generators got flooded, the network the NOPD radios depended upon went down.

So yeah, have your fancy digital trunking system, but have a basic analog VHF or UHF system that will work when all the fancy shiat goes down.

VHF and UFH don't magically work without power either, and besides all trunking radio networks can failsoft into a standard frequency with talkgroups assigned beforehand to a control frequency. Your suggesting cities buy, maintain and service two separate radio systems, all users which are usually hundreds to carry two different radios which is logistically difficult and hideously expensive.. If NOPD lost trunking due to generators they planned poorly especially for a city inside a bowl surrounded by water. Perhaps if 1% of the cash Nagin stole made it into infrastructure chocolate city would of kept their radio system up?


Every single radio the NOPD had was a worthless brick.  They didn't work without infrastructure.

VHF or UHF handheld radios that they could distribute in an emergency to their patrols, along with base stations at the individual police stations, would have gone a *LONG* way to mitigating that problem.

And yes, power is an issue, but you just have to worry about power at the police station, where the base station is and where the handhelds get recharged.  You don't have to worry about it at every single trunking site.  Instead of needing, say, 100 generators to cover all the trunking sites, you just need 20, and they aren't at remote sites where no one is typically stationed, they're at sites that are manned and where the people can take measures to protect them and refuel them (if possible).

The idea is to *NOT* depend on infrastructure in an emergency, because things like hurricanes have a way of wiping out the infrastructure, despite the best laid plans.

Maintenance would be rather minimal, really:  Check radio function every 6 months, replace items that no longer work.  Wear and tear would be minimal, so no issue there, as you can budget for 10% replacements every year.  Keep the batteries on conditioners that properly charge and discharge them for extended life while in storage.

Hell, even just having a bunch of spare GMRS radios would go a *LONG* way to fixing the problem.

In other words, if you rely 100% on an intricate communications infrastructure, you should plan for what happens when that infrastructure goes down for extended periods of time.

It's just common sense.

And it's cheaper than making the infrastructure redundant enough to maybe survive a major natural (or man-made) disaster.  The added cost of something like that is much less than building a toughened infrastructure, which includes things that aren't under police/fire/EMS/etc. control, like the physical copper or fiber optic networks between the trunking sites.
 
2014-05-01 08:04:46 AM

kronicfeld: StrikitRich: Bet there were a lot of upset teenagers and soccer moms between Seffner and Tampa.

Or, you know, people with emergencies trying to call tow trucks, 9-1-1, highway services, etc.


Great point. People may need to call 911.  So lets install emergency phones along the side of the road in high traffic areas where you should pay more attention. And in each phone terminal install a cell phone jammer.
 
2014-05-01 08:05:20 AM

Rent Party: These are commercial radios for industrial applications.  4QPSK, 132 channels on the 220MHZ band.   There are some serious radio geniuses around here (you can't swing a dead cat without hitting a Ph.D) that might be able to carry voice on them, but I'm not one of them.   :)

I do have a little Yaesu at home and have been studying for the technicians exam.  I just haven't taken it yet.  The statutory stuff kills me.


The statutory stuff isn't hard.  Don't cuss.  Don't broadcast to the general public. No music.  Not for business use.  The rest of it is just knowing what frequencies you're allowed to use, and what modes.  No big deal.

Oh, and BTW, I just got this card in the mail the other day:

i57.tinypic.com

A bunch of us hams transmitted to the Juno spacecraft during it's fly-by of Earth, and it heard us.

Say 'HI' to Juno

Fark thread about it:

http://www.fark.com/comments/8055709/-1400-amateur-radio-buffs-say-H i- in-Morse-code-to-NASAs-Juno-spacecraft-passing-by-on-its-way-to-Jupite r-Heres-what-it-sounded-like
 
2014-05-01 11:58:27 AM

dittybopper: Oh, and BTW, I just got this card in the mail the other day:


Man, I don't know how to tell you this, but you sent your message 7 months into the future. I think you might be in some kind of time vortex. Or traveling at relativistic speeds around 95% the speed of light.
 
2014-05-01 01:14:59 PM

dittybopper: Rent Party: These are commercial radios for industrial applications.  4QPSK, 132 channels on the 220MHZ band.   There are some serious radio geniuses around here (you can't swing a dead cat without hitting a Ph.D) that might be able to carry voice on them, but I'm not one of them.   :)

I do have a little Yaesu at home and have been studying for the technicians exam.  I just haven't taken it yet.  The statutory stuff kills me.

The statutory stuff isn't hard.  Don't cuss.  Don't broadcast to the general public. No music.  Not for business use.  The rest of it is just knowing what frequencies you're allowed to use, and what modes.  No big deal.

Oh, and BTW, I just got this card in the mail the other day:

[i57.tinypic.com image 640x480]

A bunch of us hams transmitted to the Juno spacecraft during it's fly-by of Earth, and it heard us.

Say 'HI' to Juno

Fark thread about it:

http://www.fark.com/comments/8055709/-1400-amateur-radio-buffs-say-H i- in-Morse-code-to-NASAs-Juno-spacecraft-passing-by-on-its-way-to-Jupite r-Heres-what-it-sounded-like


And that is exactly the kind of certifiably cool shiat that makes me want to get the ham license.

It's the frequency allocation that gives me trouble.  My radio club teaches a technicians exam and as soon as our calendars line up, I'll take that class and follow up with the exam.
 
2014-05-01 03:57:55 PM

Intrepid00: mcreadyblue: Crotchrocket Slim: TNel: DaStompa: Wellon Dowd:

It's amazing our species survived before the invention of the mobile phone. All those people dying on the side of the road because they couldn't summon a tow truck, or because the only IT guy who knows how to reset the server was at the cinema.

Because the call wouldn't drop and they couldn't call right back when the man drove past, their phones would explode, killing hundreds, nay, thousands.

Learn to science

I'm glad you are on board with vigilante justice.  This is just a douche who thinks he better than everyone else.

This. There are very practical reasons these jammers are pretty damned illegal.

Cell jammers can be used on private property and by any Federal Agency.

LOL no they can't. You don't own the spectrum over your property not does any interference you put out magically stop at the property line.


Duh, ya.
 
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