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ZAZ [TotalFark]
2014-04-30 11:15:56 AM  
In America the EPA pressures cities to ban gas powered leaf blowers.
 
2014-04-30 11:48:50 AM  

ZAZ: In America the EPA pressures cities to ban gas powered leaf blowers.


Get a rake and quit your biatching.
 
2014-04-30 12:07:44 PM  
I was just in Beijing.  It's as bad as the pictures all look.  Most all of the pics on my camera you can just see the pollution hanging in the air.  It's like a really cloudy day every day with the air quality numbers off the charts into the 'don't even bother breathing' zone.
 
2014-04-30 12:51:15 PM  
If you can, I recommend getting a bird's eye view of your city after Memorial Day and all the BBQs.  In my city of 150K-200K, there is a brown haze still lingering the next day that is not normally there.  It's not like Beijing though
 I do know some clean air advocates that discourage the use of charcoal grills, but they promote (using the term loosely) propane ones instead.  They know how to pick their battles, and fighting grills is a losing proposition.


ZAZ: In America the EPA pressures cities to ban gas powered leaf blowers.


My wife is on a volunteer city commission with a former city counselor from the 1990s that tried to ban them.  Said former councilor said at the time that leaf blowers had "no place in civilized society".
 
2014-04-30 01:42:19 PM  
I wouldn't want to cook the pollution into my steaks, thank you very much.
 
2014-04-30 01:43:29 PM  
Does this mean they can't drink their own piss?
 
2014-04-30 01:44:08 PM  

meat0918: I do know some clean air advocates that discourage the use of charcoal grills


img4.wikia.nocookie.net

What a clean air advocate may look like.
 
2014-04-30 01:44:41 PM  
Didn't you tree huggers make them change charcoal fluid a few years ago..

You demand it here, and mock other countries for the same shiat. You libtards are some flip flop motherfarkers
 
2014-04-30 01:44:57 PM  

meat0918: If you can, I recommend getting a bird's eye view of your city after Memorial Day and all the BBQs.  In my city of 150K-200K, there is a brown haze still lingering the next day that is not normally there.  It's not like Beijing though
 I do know some clean air advocates that discourage the use of charcoal grills, but they promote (using the term loosely) propane ones instead.  They know how to pick their battles, and fighting grills is a losing proposition.


ZAZ: In America the EPA pressures cities to ban gas powered leaf blowers.

My wife is on a volunteer city commission with a former city counselor from the 1990s that tried to ban them.  Said former councilor said at the time that leaf blowers had "no place in civilized society".


I find them annoying, especially when your friend's neighbors insist on starting them up at 9:00 AM on Sunday.  There should be a noise ban in suburbs until noon on Sundays.
 
2014-04-30 01:56:10 PM  

Cold_Sassy: meat0918: If you can, I recommend getting a bird's eye view of your city after Memorial Day and all the BBQs.  In my city of 150K-200K, there is a brown haze still lingering the next day that is not normally there.  It's not like Beijing though
 I do know some clean air advocates that discourage the use of charcoal grills, but they promote (using the term loosely) propane ones instead.  They know how to pick their battles, and fighting grills is a losing proposition.


ZAZ: In America the EPA pressures cities to ban gas powered leaf blowers.

My wife is on a volunteer city commission with a former city counselor from the 1990s that tried to ban them.  Said former councilor said at the time that leaf blowers had "no place in civilized society".

I find them annoying, especially when your friend's neighbors insist on starting them up at 9:00 AM on Sunday.  There should be a noise ban in suburbs until noon on Sundays.


It's not THAT they blow, it's WHAT they blow that bothers me.
 
2014-04-30 01:59:44 PM  

Cold_Sassy: meat0918: If you can, I recommend getting a bird's eye view of your city after Memorial Day and all the BBQs.  In my city of 150K-200K, there is a brown haze still lingering the next day that is not normally there.  It's not like Beijing though
 I do know some clean air advocates that discourage the use of charcoal grills, but they promote (using the term loosely) propane ones instead.  They know how to pick their battles, and fighting grills is a losing proposition.


ZAZ: In America the EPA pressures cities to ban gas powered leaf blowers.

My wife is on a volunteer city commission with a former city counselor from the 1990s that tried to ban them.  Said former councilor said at the time that leaf blowers had "no place in civilized society".

I find them annoying, especially when your friend's neighbors insist on starting them up at 9:00 AM on Sunday.  There should be a noise ban in suburbs until noon on Sundays.


I actually think it's reasonable to do yardwork before noon.  However, to be realistic, you really can't start much before 10 or so.  The grass is usually so wet from the dew, it clogs the mower.  Why anyone would need to use the leafblower that early is beyond me.  Mostly because you do that AFTER you mow the lawn.
 
2014-04-30 02:04:29 PM  
Where will they BBQ their dogs?
 
2014-04-30 02:06:10 PM  
I'm sure the authorities already know this (or maybe not, since they live in much nicer conditions), but the people living in the hutongs (old-style neighborhoods) in Beijing often don't even have a kitchen or even toilets. Dinner = buy food from the guy grilling outside on the street. There are public toilets on each block, though I've never had the courage to try them.
 
2014-04-30 02:08:17 PM  
Well, at least here, the EPA usually started with the grossest polluters first - factories, power plants and cars DID give us huge gains.  Now they are going after the smaller generators.

I don't suppose it's the end of the world to regulate pollution from all emitters using practical technologies, but outright bans on so many things just creates resentment in your people - not very helpful.

Wood burning heat is banned here in CO now in many locations.  And that's nuts since it's a renewable, carbon neutral fuel source.  And given all the dead wood in the state due to pine beetles.
 
2014-04-30 02:11:02 PM  

mama2tnt: Cold_Sassy: meat0918: If you can, I recommend getting a bird's eye view of your city after Memorial Day and all the BBQs.  In my city of 150K-200K, there is a brown haze still lingering the next day that is not normally there.  It's not like Beijing though
 I do know some clean air advocates that discourage the use of charcoal grills, but they promote (using the term loosely) propane ones instead.  They know how to pick their battles, and fighting grills is a losing proposition.


ZAZ: In America the EPA pressures cities to ban gas powered leaf blowers.

My wife is on a volunteer city commission with a former city counselor from the 1990s that tried to ban them.  Said former councilor said at the time that leaf blowers had "no place in civilized society".

I find them annoying, especially when your friend's neighbors insist on starting them up at 9:00 AM on Sunday.  There should be a noise ban in suburbs until noon on Sundays.

It's not THAT they blow, it's WHAT they blow that bothers me.


I've got a church parking lot behind my house, and the landscapers would blow all that crap against the fence and of course I'd get parking lot dust in my yard, and all over my veggies.

They've stopped since we found out who was the landscape maintenance company was as well as a few incidents with a garden hose from multiple neighbors.
 
2014-04-30 02:12:09 PM  

ameeriklane: I'm sure the authorities already know this (or maybe not, since they live in much nicer conditions), but the people living in the hutongs (old-style neighborhoods) in Beijing often don't even have a kitchen or even toilets. Dinner = buy food from the guy grilling outside on the street. There are public toilets on each block, though I've never had the courage to try them.


Please don't tell me what you do instead!
 
2014-04-30 02:13:14 PM  

bmwericus: Well, at least here, the EPA usually started with the grossest polluters first - factories, power plants and cars DID give us huge gains.  Now they are going after the smaller generators.

I don't suppose it's the end of the world to regulate pollution from all emitters using practical technologies, but outright bans on so many things just creates resentment in your people - not very helpful.

Wood burning heat is banned here in CO now in many locations.  And that's nuts since it's a renewable, carbon neutral fuel source.  And given all the dead wood in the state due to pine beetles.


Why not just incentivize the newer high efficiency wood stoves?  Less pollution, less resentment, new stuff.
 
2014-04-30 02:26:45 PM  
I have an image of the grills setting fire to the air, like the burning Cuyahoga River.
 
2014-04-30 02:27:29 PM  
That'll do, pig. That'll do.
 
2014-04-30 02:29:51 PM  

bmwericus: Wood burning heat is banned here in CO now in many locations.


There are localized restrictions on high-pollution days. There is no blanket ban.
 
2014-04-30 02:45:25 PM  
You cannot install new wood burning hardware in most locations, fireplaces have to be gas in all new developments,  in Aspen, you can sell your grandfathered fireplace to a new home builder for much cash.

My house has wood heat, but it's grandfathered.  My neighbor cannot install one today.
 
2014-04-30 02:59:27 PM  

bmwericus: You cannot install new wood burning hardware in most locations, fireplaces have to be gas in all new developments,  in Aspen, you can sell your grandfathered fireplace to a new home builder for much cash.

My house has wood heat, but it's grandfathered.  My neighbor cannot install one today.


Ah, new construction. Ok, but those restrictions are localized. There is no statewide ban.

Colorado C.R.S.A. § 25-7-401 to -413
Sets emission performance standards for wood stoves. Establishes criteria and procedures for testing new wood stoves for compliance with emission performance standards. Requires that the sale of a wood stove to be certified by the air quality division control and an emission performance label is attached to the wood stove. The law also implements voluntary no burn days when the air quality division determines that the level of wood stove emissions would have an adverse affect on air quality.

C.R.S.A. § 25-7-106.3;
Establishes limitations and regulations on the use of wood burning stoves and fireplaces during periods of time declared by the Colorado department of health to be a high pollution day. Such regulations may not apply to any person who utilizes wood burning stove or fireplaces as the primary source of heat in a person's place of residence. Stoves that meet a more strict emission standard may be exempt from the no burn day limitations.

The CDPHE website...Link
 
2014-04-30 03:21:52 PM  
Those bastards, now where will ex-pats get their 烧烤 at 2am after leaving the club!?

/I miss 烧烤
//US could really use some open air food stalls like China has
 
2014-04-30 03:54:22 PM  
What are people going to do with all those gold teef?
 
2014-04-30 04:23:33 PM  

durbnpoisn: Cold_Sassy: meat0918: If you can, I recommend getting a bird's eye view of your city after Memorial Day and all the BBQs.  In my city of 150K-200K, there is a brown haze still lingering the next day that is not normally there.  It's not like Beijing though
 I do know some clean air advocates that discourage the use of charcoal grills, but they promote (using the term loosely) propane ones instead.  They know how to pick their battles, and fighting grills is a losing proposition.


ZAZ: In America the EPA pressures cities to ban gas powered leaf blowers.

My wife is on a volunteer city commission with a former city counselor from the 1990s that tried to ban them.  Said former councilor said at the time that leaf blowers had "no place in civilized society".

I find them annoying, especially when your friend's neighbors insist on starting them up at 9:00 AM on Sunday.  There should be a noise ban in suburbs until noon on Sundays.

I actually think it's reasonable to do yardwork before noon.  However, to be realistic, you really can't start much before 10 or so.  The grass is usually so wet from the dew, it clogs the mower.  Why anyone would need to use the leafblower that early is beyond me.  Mostly because you do that AFTER you mow the lawn.


It takes me 15 minutes to mow my lawn. If I start mowing at 10:00 I'm blowing the borders at 10:15. I use an electric leaf blower - no maintenance and powerful enough for me. Batteries have held up for 4 years, shockingly. It's also quieter than most gas-powered versions.

I've heard that leaf blowers are one of the dirtiest engines out there. I suppose it balances out that they aren't run for huge amounts of time but still, I can see why some people would want to ban them.
 
2014-04-30 04:51:12 PM  
Let's just pretend that outdoor cooking isn't a a serious contributor to Beijing's pollution so we can call them foolish.  It's more satisfying that stupid reality.
 
2014-04-30 05:12:07 PM  
Dammit, they missed the point and started grilling inside the house

news.xinhuanet.com
 
2014-04-30 06:34:40 PM  
it's too smoky outdoors there

you've got to move the grills ins--.

Clemkadidlefark: Dammit, they missed the point and started grilling inside the house

[news.xinhuanet.com image 600x400]


oh, you son of a biatch
 
2014-04-30 07:30:10 PM  

Demetrius: I was just in Beijing.  It's as bad as the pictures all look.  Most all of the pics on my camera you can just see the pollution hanging in the air.  It's like a really cloudy day every day with the air quality numbers off the charts into the 'don't even bother breathing' zone.


I was there about 2.5 years ago. I stayed at a nice Hyatt on the 80th floor, one would think you'd have a nice view, nope couldn't see shiat most of the time.
 
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