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(NPR)   Obamacare is empowering former wage slaves to leave their jobs and become self-employed entrepreneurs. SEE, WE TOLD YOU IT WOULD DESTROY JOBS   (npr.org) divider line 399
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2014-04-30 09:07:42 AM
Also, I wonder how many work place abuses were tolerated prior to today just because employees were protecting their health insurance for their family.

Mr. Ferguson:  "I would like take you out for dinner tonight Emily"
Emily: "I don't think that would be appropriate"
Mr. Ferguson: "Doesn't your son have chronic asthma?"
Emily:  "What time will you pick me up"
 
2014-04-30 09:49:40 AM
"We've got organic shallots, organic Brussels sprouts and organic apple cider vinegar," he says

You like organic stuff...we get it.
 
2014-04-30 09:55:41 AM
We'd have even more self-employed people if Saint Ronald had not doubled our self-employment taxes back in 1983.
 
2014-04-30 10:29:04 AM

Marcus Aurelius: We'd have even more self-employed people if Saint Ronald had not doubled our self-employment taxes back in 1983.


You mean Tip O'Neil's Dem controlled Congress.
 
2014-04-30 10:29:34 AM
I assume worker empowerment is one of the major reasons conservatives are told to be against the ACA by the people who give them their opinions.
 
2014-04-30 10:29:35 AM
More entrepreneurship is a good thing. Of course, it's a total tax haven for the owner, but in the long run it benefits everyone.
 
2014-04-30 10:30:17 AM
See, here's Mike Smith and his wife, just two more people who aren't working because of Obamacare!
 
2014-04-30 10:31:34 AM
our civilization is dying because we separate actions from consequences.
 
2014-04-30 10:31:40 AM
Finally. Completely divorcing health insurance from your employer can't come fast enough.
 
2014-04-30 10:31:41 AM
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So Mr Smith is having the government heavily subsidize his health care coverage, and I'm supposed to find that encouraging?
 
2014-04-30 10:31:50 AM

Wolfmanjames: Marcus Aurelius: We'd have even more self-employed people if Saint Ronald had not doubled our self-employment taxes back in 1983.

You mean Tip O'Neil's Dem controlled Congress.


You mean he didn't sign it?
 
2014-04-30 10:33:14 AM

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: [img.fark.net image 640x408]

So Mr Smith is having the government heavily subsidize his health care coverage, and I'm supposed to find that encouraging?


Yes.
 
2014-04-30 10:34:45 AM

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: So Mr Smith is having the government heavily subsidize his health care coverage, and I'm supposed to find that encouraging?


It will be more encouraging when one day he will receive health care without ever once receiving a bill for it.
 
2014-04-30 10:35:47 AM

Tellingthem: "We've got organic shallots, organic Brussels sprouts and organic apple cider vinegar," he says

You like organic stuff...we get it.


Rule of three: omne trium perfectumhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rule_of_three_%28writing%29#Rhetoric_and _ public_speaking  ).
 
2014-04-30 10:36:07 AM

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: So Mr Smith is having the government heavily subsidize his health care coverage, and I'm supposed to find that encouraging?


yeah because the money is coming from people who wouldn't be spending it in the local economy on such a wide variety of goods and services as this dude and his family. These subsidies are a small step in getting more money in the hands of people who actually spend money.
 
2014-04-30 10:36:31 AM

Marcus Aurelius: We'd have even more self-employed people if Saint Ronald had not doubled our self-employment taxes back in 1983.


Wed already have a bankrupt social security fund as well.
 
2014-04-30 10:36:59 AM
This is what I would like to do.  After I pay off all my debts and fix up my house, then save up about 200k I should be in my mid 50's by then.  I want to then transition into a self employed scenario where I work about 10-20 hours a week and am able to travel for 6 weeks out of the year.
 
2014-04-30 10:37:15 AM
Article says will enable people not has. So, really, one moron has left his job and will soon want it back when he realizes he needs the income? Lib on subby
 
2014-04-30 10:37:42 AM
FarkedOver:
It will be more encouraging when one day he will receive health care without ever once receiving a bill for it.

Well, after the $12,000 deductible per year and the huge increase in taxes...
 
2014-04-30 10:37:43 AM
So a handful of people will become self-employed because instead of having an employer cover part of the cost, they're now paying out of pocket (to the tune of what. a $100-200 a month differential?)

Sounds legit.

NPR and libs touting a few isolated cases is surely worth millions of people losing their jobs or being relegated to part-time work, not to mention subjecting others to fines and the rest of us to shortages of primary care doctors.

Nice lipstcik you're trying to put on that pig, libtards.
 
2014-04-30 10:37:47 AM
How many of tgese people are empowered by food stamps as well?
 
2014-04-30 10:38:11 AM

mrshowrules: Also, I wonder how many work place abuses were tolerated prior to today just because employees were protecting their health insurance for their family.

Mr. Ferguson:  "I would like take you out for dinner tonight Emily"
Emily: "I don't think that would be appropriate"
Mr. Ferguson: "Doesn't your son have chronic asthma?"
Emily:  "What time will you pick me up"


I don't think there was room in the headline to also credit Obamacare for ending sexually predatory behavior. Maybe next time.
 
2014-04-30 10:38:32 AM

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: [img.fark.net image 640x408]

So Mr Smith is having the government heavily subsidize his health care coverage, and I'm supposed to find that encouraging?


Meh, it's not that simple.  The government may be subsidizing his premiums to some extent (depends on his income), but the real "subsidy" comes from having a huge pool of (mostly) healthy people all have insurance because they now have to.  Most* of them won't need it at any given time, of course, so premiums for the group can be much lower.

/ * but of course, nobody can say who will need it when -- such is the value of insurance.  Even 25 year-old triathletes in perfect health get into car accidents.  At least now they will be insured rather than bankrupt.
 
2014-04-30 10:38:48 AM

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: So Mr Smith is having the government heavily subsidize his health care coverage, and I'm supposed to find that encouraging?


No, you're supposed to whine about the fact that the people who view our society as a group working together to improve our status as a whole nation won back in 2008 rather than the people who think that human beings are disposable cogs put on this earth for them to personally exploit and clambor over in an ever-upward scramble for excess.

In the heirarchy of problems I have time to care about, his health care comes before somebody else's gold-plated penis pump. Sorry, that's just how it is when you're not a completely vindictive asshole.
 
2014-04-30 10:38:52 AM
It helped me plenty because it allows me to buy my own insurance at a reasonable rate.  Before Obamacare, buying individual coverage was absurdly expensive because of actuarial nonsense known as a "risk pool" ... the subdivision is nonsense because the actual risk exposure is the insurance company's entire book of business... not some pooled subdivision.

So now I can buy good insurance for my family of four for less than $1000 per month instead of closer to $2200 before Obamacare.  This made it safe to resign from my job and start my own business.  I'm earning more than ever and am about to hire my first employee.  Thanks Obama!

One would  thinkthat Republicans would at least give lip service to a policy that promotes entrepreneurship and small business...
 
2014-04-30 10:39:52 AM
Wait until they see how much tax small business owners have to pay.

Your health insurance isn't free; it is being paid for by those who pay taxes (which for most people will include themselves).  The Affordable Care Act does nothing (that I have seen or read) to address the fact that the cost of health care in the US is absurdly high.
 
2014-04-30 10:39:56 AM
wage slave?
 
2014-04-30 10:40:20 AM

MyRandomName: How many of tgese people are empowered by food stamps as well?


What farking difference does it make?
 
2014-04-30 10:40:29 AM
Heavily subsidized poor people insurance is always good for the folks who are subsidized.

It's the other folks who are working hard and are now paying extra in their premiums who should pay attention.
 
2014-04-30 10:40:40 AM

MyRandomName: Marcus Aurelius: We'd have even more self-employed people if Saint Ronald had not doubled our self-employment taxes back in 1983.

Wed already have a bankrupt social security fund as well.


Yea, but Social Security is socialism (it even has "social" in the name), so for a Republican to bankrupt it would have been a Good Thing, right?
 
2014-04-30 10:40:51 AM

TheWhoppah: It helped me plenty because it allows me to buy my own insurance at a reasonable rate.  Before Obamacare, buying individual coverage was absurdly expensive because of actuarial nonsense known as a "risk pool" ... the subdivision is nonsense because the actual risk exposure is the insurance company's entire book of business... not some pooled subdivision.

So now I can buy good insurance for my family of four for less than $1000 per month instead of closer to $2200 before Obamacare.  This made it safe to resign from my job and start my own business.  I'm earning more than ever and am about to hire my first employee.  Thanks Obama!

One would  think that Republicans would at least give lip service to a policy that promotes entrepreneurship and small business...



Also, FWIW, I did not qualify for the subsidy.  The $2200 is what I was quoted in 2012 for open market insurance when I was first considering quitting to open my own business.  At the same time, the actual cost to my employer was closer to $900 because they had a larger "risk pool."  The extra cost of insuring myself and family on the open was a real impediment to striking out on my own.  Now Obamacare basically puts everyone in one big pool... I imagine the slightly higher price when compared to what my company was paying in 2012 is due in part to inflation and in part to the fact that Obamacare does not allow turning people away for preexisting conditions so the insurance companies don't have actuarial data to calculate the actual financial impact of this stipulation
 
2014-04-30 10:41:29 AM
Goddamn farking government programs increasing people's happiness and life options!

Quick, someone complain about paying for this!
 
2014-04-30 10:41:29 AM

jshine: Abe Vigoda's Ghost: [img.fark.net image 640x408]

So Mr Smith is having the government heavily subsidize his health care coverage, and I'm supposed to find that encouraging?

Meh, it's not that simple.  The government may be subsidizing his premiums to some extent (depends on his income), but the real "subsidy" comes from having a huge pool of (mostly) healthy people all have insurance because they now have to.  Most* of them won't need it at any given time, of course, so premiums for the group can be much lower.

/ * but of course, nobody can say who will need it when -- such is the value of insurance.  Even 25 year-old triathletes in perfect health get into car accidents.  At least now they will be insured rather than bankrupt.


And unexpected medical bills are still the number one cause for bankruptcy in America.  Everybody is fine, until they get really sick or need emergency care.  Then you're f*cked whether you've got insurance or not.
 
2014-04-30 10:41:34 AM

Phineas: So a handful of people ... shortages of primary care doctors.


the handful is causing the shortages and stuff, hey, it's a big hand libtards!
 
2014-04-30 10:41:55 AM

skozlaw: Abe Vigoda's Ghost: So Mr Smith is having the government heavily subsidize his health care coverage, and I'm supposed to find that encouraging?

No, you're supposed to whine about the fact that the people who view our society as a group working together to improve our status as a whole nation won back in 2008 rather than the people who think that human beings are disposable cogs put on this earth for them to personally exploit and clambor over in an ever-upward scramble for excess.

In the heirarchy of problems I have time to care about, his health care comes before somebody else's gold-plated penis pump. Sorry, that's just how it is when you're not a completely vindictive asshole.


FTFA: "We've got organic shallots, organic Brussels sprouts and organic apple cider vinegar," he says, stirring the ingredients with a wooden spoon. "I love the smell of the shallots, don't you?"

Also, think of the organic shallots.
 
2014-04-30 10:42:07 AM
Huh? article just said the guy retired cause he gets free health care.
 
2014-04-30 10:42:40 AM
I still like my employer group plan better than even the best plan that is available on the Exchange, but its a step in the right direction.
 
2014-04-30 10:42:52 AM

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: [img.fark.net image 640x408]

So Mr Smith is having the government heavily subsidize his health care coverage, and I'm supposed to find that encouraging?


Yes, he paid into the system.  Stop the narrow minded thinking.  There are corporations which have paid much less into the system than they have taken out.
 
2014-04-30 10:42:57 AM
I have a friend who did the same sort of thing. He left his job to work on his own company. One of the main reasons why he left was because now he could afford covering himself with his own insurance now. And this is with no subsides.
 
2014-04-30 10:43:02 AM
As soon as my business starts making more profit, the plan is to shed my day job.  The only way I can justify this is because of the ACA.

THANKS OBAMA!
 
2014-04-30 10:43:39 AM

Thunderpipes: Huh? article just said the guy retired cause he gets free health care.


Umm no it didn't. He is paying for his healthcare.
 
2014-04-30 10:43:47 AM
That's cool. The 64 year old couple got health coverage for $200 a month. Too bad mine went up by $257 a month. By the way, without Obamacare, wouldn't that couple have been covered under Medical or Medicaid? Seriously, I don't know.
 
2014-04-30 10:45:05 AM

Carn: jshine: Abe Vigoda's Ghost: [img.fark.net image 640x408]

So Mr Smith is having the government heavily subsidize his health care coverage, and I'm supposed to find that encouraging?

Meh, it's not that simple.  The government may be subsidizing his premiums to some extent (depends on his income), but the real "subsidy" comes from having a huge pool of (mostly) healthy people all have insurance because they now have to.  Most* of them won't need it at any given time, of course, so premiums for the group can be much lower.

/ * but of course, nobody can say who will need it when -- such is the value of insurance.  Even 25 year-old triathletes in perfect health get into car accidents.  At least now they will be insured rather than bankrupt.

And unexpected medical bills are still the number one cause for bankruptcy in America.  Everybody is fine, until they get really sick or need emergency care.  Then you're f*cked whether you've got insurance or not.



Depends on how good your insurance is and how close to the line you are living.  A few years back I required two surgeries that cost a combined total of well over $100k, but thanks to insurance I never got anywhere close to bankruptcy.  It cost a few thousand total, and if I were poor enough that might have been a problem, but its a check I could just write and be done with.  Paying $100k when I was 24 years old (or whatever the price would have been without the discounts that the insurance companies negotiated) would have been an entirely different story.  It absolutely did make the difference; it reduced my out-of-pocked responsibility by 2 orders of magnitude and should not be trivialized.
 
2014-04-30 10:45:55 AM

limboslam: That's cool. The 64 year old couple got health coverage for $200 a month. Too bad mine went up by $257 a month. By the way, without Obamacare, wouldn't that couple have been covered under Medical or Medicaid? Seriously, I don't know.


It is too bad. Maybe you should call your insurance company and tell them to fark off and go buy a plan on the open market.
 
2014-04-30 10:46:09 AM
What's the first step to becoming an entrepreneur?  Whenever I think of going into business for myself I stop dead cold at the capital requirements, and have no idea how I'd line up clients -- I couldn't sell water in a desert.
 
2014-04-30 10:46:37 AM

Headso: Phineas: So a handful of people ... shortages of primary care doctors.

the handful is causing the shortages and stuff, hey, it's a big hand libtards!


But is it an invisible hand?
 
2014-04-30 10:47:18 AM

Thunderpipes: Huh? article just said the guy retired cause he gets free health care.



What part of "$200 a month" do you not understand?
 
2014-04-30 10:47:29 AM
That's why I quit being an entrepreneur -- my Cobra was running out, and getting insurance on my own would have been $$$$. This was pre-Obamacare. Today I might still have toughed it out.
 
2014-04-30 10:47:32 AM

Dog Welder: As soon as my business starts making more profit, the plan is to shed my day job.  The only way I can justify this is because of the ACA.

THANKS OBAMA!


Yeah, I was in that boat too and it was, 100% the right move.  My business almost tripled sales by simply being available to immediately answer calls and emails from potential clients.  Half the callers won't leave a message, even with an answering service.  Half those that do leave a message will find another provider before you even call them back.  I am "at work" typing this in my boxers... and making more money!
 
2014-04-30 10:48:18 AM

skozlaw: Abe Vigoda's Ghost: So Mr Smith is having the government heavily subsidize his health care coverage, and I'm supposed to find that encouraging?

No, you're supposed to whine about the fact that the people who view our society as a group working together to improve our status as a whole nation won back in 2008 ...Sorry, that's just how it is when you're not a completely vindictive asshole.

...

Ad hominem much?

Also, the democrats "won" 55% of the vote - hardly a mandate, unless you subscribe to the notion that a majority can vote away the rights of a minority.
 
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