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(Opposing Views)   Good Samaritan sees a young woman being accosted by two thieves, swoops in and saves the day. Instead of sticking around for praise, "after the incident occurred, he bought some candy for his children and drove away"   (opposingviews.com) divider line 213
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2014-05-01 01:16:52 AM  

tbeatty: Rhino_man: tbeatty: PreMortem: I think if it were anywhere else but Texas, the cops would've shot the good Samaritan. At least charged him with something.

Only in places where guns in the hands of good guys scare people.  This happens all the time in places where guns are carried routinely.  This one made the news because it had video.  That was awesome picture of lawful use of force by non-LEO and equally awesome display of what humbleness.  A similar case here, without the good Samaritan, ended in the death of the woman victim as she couldn't let go of the purse before falling and getting run over.  Her friends couldn't do anything about it and her wrist was tangled in the strap.  Glad this guy was here to stop it before it happened again.

Oh yeah?  Places like "Gun ownership is mandatory" Kennesaw, GA?  Let's search google news for "Kennessaw, GA."  I'm sure nothing will turn up.


... oh.  Well surely he was stopped by a good guy with a gun, right?


... Oh.

Hmmm, let's examine your critical thinking skills.  Statement A) "Gun ownership is mandatory" Kennesaw, GA,   Fact B) Gunman kills 6 unarmed people in Kennesaw.   -- See the problem?  Like most gun free zones such as FedEx, Ft. Hood, Sandy Hook, Columbine, etc, etc, is that the good guys obey the rules and keep their means of defense out of the gun free zone.  The bad guys don't.  Result: Bad guys kill.

Here's what happens when "purse snatchers" use their car to help steal a purse and there is no good Samaritan or cop with a gun to stop it: Result: Bad guys kill.   It's a theme.

Student Dead after being dragged by car during snatching.  Caught up in strap.
http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2010/05/college_student_from_nj_dra gg e.html

Now use your google fu skills to see police confronting armed people with guns and see how that turns out.  A lot less Good Guys killed, a lot more bad guys killed and arrested.   It's easy top find deaths of unarmed victims by violent crime, deaths of people confronted by police for a crime of violence, and deaths of police by violent criminals.  Ask yourself why police carry guns when no law requires a gun to enforce it.


Thanks for bringing up Columbine. The school had 2 armed guards who did precisely farkall to prevent the murders.

You're not half as clever as you think you are with that "gun-free zone" talking point. It's idiotic.
 
2014-05-01 01:47:11 AM  
Surpheon:

Columbine had an armed and trained security on site (Jefferson County Sheriff's Deputy Neil Gardner). Or he's just a liar. Fort Hood had plenty of armed and trained MPs on site.

What is a "gun free" zone in your world?


It's funny that you mentioned all the people that carried guns in those places lived.  Even Gardner that traded shots with Columbine shooters used his gun and is alive.  Heck, he didn't even bring his glasses that day and his gun saved his life.  Now, let's talk about the gun-free dead people that did nothing wrong and followed the rules not to bring a gun with them .... anyone really glad that the Sandy Hook teacher didn't have a gun with her when her class was slaughtered?  Think it's coincidence that the shootings stop when other people with guns show up but not before?
 
2014-05-01 02:41:52 AM  

tbeatty: Surpheon:

Columbine had an armed and trained security on site (Jefferson County Sheriff's Deputy Neil Gardner). Or he's just a liar. Fort Hood had plenty of armed and trained MPs on site.

What is a "gun free" zone in your world?

It's funny that you mentioned all the people that carried guns in those places lived.  Even Gardner that traded shots with Columbine shooters used his gun and is alive.  Heck, he didn't even bring his glasses that day and his gun saved his life.  Now, let's talk about the gun-free dead people that did nothing wrong and followed the rules not to bring a gun with them .... anyone really glad that the Sandy Hook teacher didn't have a gun with her when her class was slaughtered?  Think it's coincidence that the shootings stop when other people with guns show up but not before?


Does that mean that you're happy that Adam Lanza had ready access to firearms and his mother ensured he had the training to effectively murder children?

Seems to me that the people who want to keep firearms our of the hands of criminals and the mentally ill are the ones taking a proactive position that attempts prevent shooting massacres in the first place.
You, on the other hand, are taking a reactive stance that increases the probability of more bullets flying into innocent bodies.

Given these two admittedly simple-minded alternatives, I'll take A with a side of mandatory registration and inspection, mental and physical health screening, safe storage requirements, proficiency training, and regular qualification for everybody. (But then, again, I like the idea of having a real United States Militia subject to civilian control again. Your opinion may differ.)
 
2014-05-01 02:58:01 AM  
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2014-05-01 05:39:08 AM  
demaL-demaL-yeH:

Does that mean that you're happy that Adam Lanza had ready access to firearms and his mother ensured he had the training to effectively murder children?

Seems to me that the people who want to keep firearms our of the hands of criminals and the mentally ill are the ones taking a proactive position that attempts prevent shooting massacres in the first place.
You, on the other hand, are taking a reactive stance that increases the probability of more bullets flying into innocent bodies.

Given these two admittedly simple-minded alternatives, I'll take A with a side of mandatory registration and inspection, mental and physical health screening, safe storage requirements, proficiency training, and regular qualification for everybody. (But then, again, I like the idea of having a real United States Militia subject to civilian control again. Your opinion may differ.)


I'd be happy with just creating a list of anyone who sought psychiatric services and make them go through the checks.  Seems to me all the mass shootings recently are by people that had sought and received psychiatric care.  Enter them into the DB.  Criminals are already prohibited.

I am taking the stance that has stopped the shootings.  There is no training required to kill children, just mental illness.  Lanza killed his mom with a .22LR (not on any registration/ban list and stole the guns when she was dead - he was was also denied a purchase at a gun store and guess what didn't stop the shooting?  Laws!).  One teacher with a gun and those kids are alive.  Your "solution" is TSA.  Congratulations.
 
2014-05-01 05:52:51 AM  
Aello:


Did you miss the part where I said I was glad the Good Samaritan was there? FFS, I never said HIS reaction was wrong. I basically implied _I_ would have let go of MY purse if someone had tried to grab it instead of being dragged halfway across a parking lot.

You mean like this woman?
http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2010/05/college_student_from_nj_dra gg e.html

She tried to let go.  Except when they grabbed it and it twisted around her arm, it didn't let go of her.  Unfortunately, there was no good Samaritan with a gun.  She's dead now.  "Purse snatcher" is in prison because really it's felony assault with a car if they don't kill you and murder if they do.  Glad you have a plan to to let go, though.  Maybe that will work out for you.
 
2014-05-01 06:10:55 AM  

Terrible Old Man: cretinbob: not everyone is an attention whore

While true, part of me cannot help but think it's far more likely the hero is on probation or has a warrant.

If I "saved" someone by pulling my gun, you bet your sweet ass my name is gonna be in any paper I can talk to and on every screen a camera relays to and why not?


Because the friends of the guy on the ground might like to take revenge.

And, no, the good Samaritan isn't on probation or have a warrant.  He was run through at the scene, his gun's serial number was run and there was nothing wrong.  Just because the police are smarter than you and didn't plaster his name (or the victim's)  all over the press doesn't mean, they didn't check.  Not sure why would think the good Samaritan was on probation or had a warrant.
 
2014-05-01 07:53:03 AM  
Whoops, looks like  hurt another alt's fee-fees.
 
2014-05-01 09:59:34 AM  

Aello: thelordofcheese: Aello: Does anyone else think this woman was an idiot? She risked her life and leaving her children motherless for a purse... Sorry, there is nothing that can be worth a life in that purse.

But it was Coach!

So, how long until Feminist demonize this guy?

What happened to women being strong, independent and proud! Fierce eyebrows!!!


Don't get me wrong, I'm glad this guy was there and that things worked out in the end. As far as feminism, there is such a thing as taking it too far. Hell, I know there are things I can do just as well as a man, but there are a HELL of a lot of things men can do better. Just like there are things women can do better than men.


There are a lot of people who haven't figured that out yet. Some of them will in time, but it takes so damn long and we have to go through it over and over. Just like every new generation thinks they invented sex, eventually they figure out how they got there.
 
2014-05-01 10:07:53 AM  

Rhino_man: tbeatty: PreMortem: I think if it were anywhere else but Texas, the cops would've shot the good Samaritan. At least charged him with something.

Only in places where guns in the hands of good guys scare people.  This happens all the time in places where guns are carried routinely.  This one made the news because it had video.  That was awesome picture of lawful use of force by non-LEO and equally awesome display of what humbleness.  A similar case here, without the good Samaritan, ended in the death of the woman victim as she couldn't let go of the purse before falling and getting run over.  Her friends couldn't do anything about it and her wrist was tangled in the strap.  Glad this guy was here to stop it before it happened again.

Oh yeah?  Places like "Gun ownership is mandatory" Kennesaw, GA?  Let's search google news for "Kennessaw, GA."  I'm sure nothing will turn up.

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... oh.  Well surely he was stopped by a good guy with a gun, right?

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... Oh.


A gun is a lot like an umbrella, it doesn't matter how many you own if you don't have one with you when you need it.
 
2014-05-01 10:42:00 AM  
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let go of my purse !
 
2014-05-01 10:46:42 AM  

tbeatty: anyone really glad that the Sandy Hook teacher didn't have a gun with her when her class was slaughtered?


Listen to yourself. You actually think it's reasonable that a kindergarten teacher should be expected to carry a gun to protect her students.
 
2014-05-01 01:05:40 PM  

CruiserTwelve: tbeatty: anyone really glad that the Sandy Hook teacher didn't have a gun with her when her class was slaughtered?

Listen to yourself. You actually think it's reasonable that a kindergarten teacher should be expected to carry a gun to protect her students.


Expected?  Nope.  Prevented?  Nope.
 
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