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(Opposing Views)   Good Samaritan sees a young woman being accosted by two thieves, swoops in and saves the day. Instead of sticking around for praise, "after the incident occurred, he bought some candy for his children and drove away"   (opposingviews.com) divider line 213
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2014-04-30 07:32:24 PM  
I'm all for this, in that if Texas is going to let people bring guns everywhere, at least some of them aren't going to be criminals, right?
 
2014-04-30 07:35:02 PM  
This story kind of balances the other story today about the good Samaritan getting stabbed to death.  Kind of.
 
2014-04-30 07:39:09 PM  

Luse: Rent Party:
Well that's good.  Because the other argument is we regulate guns like we do cars.

That would be great! Shall issue licenses, reciprocal in every state. You can buy any car you want. Most in fact are much more powerful than the police versions. So actual assault weapons would be allowed, including full auto. They'd be permitted in all cities, on federal land, banks,  heck, even on school property.

I'm all for all of that. Let's do it!


Annual license renewals and registrations, along with associated fees!  Police inspection of your guns and citations if you do not have the appropriately mandated safety equipment!   Mandated insurance if you're going to take it out of the house!  Regulation on almost every aspect of the gun!

Yeah, that'd be awesome.

Alternatively,   gun owners could just store them responsibly, and reduce the number of guns in "bad guy" hands dramatically.
 
2014-04-30 07:41:17 PM  

Kit Fister: Rent Party: Oh, OK then. I guess that exactly makes your point.


No one was killed. Got it.

I think the point here is that people do in fact use cars as means of killing people, and given the right circumstances, they could be equally deadly.

That doesn't necessarily mean much, but it does make the point that people will use whatever they have at hand to kill each other, which in and of itself is sad.


Well, lets do a little thought experiment.  Instead of killing *no one* even though he explicitly tried, how do you think he would have fared if he just stepped out of his car with a Glock 17 and a couple of extra magazines?
 
2014-04-30 07:44:37 PM  

Ilmarinen: I'm all for gun control in general, but I'll readily concede that this is an example where a good guy with a gun saved the day.

/don't think I've ever even seen a gun that wasn't on a cop or soldier or in a museum


I'm still missing the part where a civilian pulling a gun on purse-snatchers is somehow smart.

/the situation resolved nonviolently, but there was never any risk of serious violence until the "good guy" threatened the snatchers with deadly force
//thankfully they didn't respond in kind
 
2014-04-30 07:50:31 PM  

CowardlyLion: Ilmarinen: I'm all for gun control in general, but I'll readily concede that this is an example where a good guy with a gun saved the day.

/don't think I've ever even seen a gun that wasn't on a cop or soldier or in a museum

I'm still missing the part where a civilian pulling a gun on purse-snatchers is somehow smart.

/the situation resolved nonviolently, but there was never any risk of serious violence until the "good guy" threatened the snatchers with deadly force
//thankfully they didn't respond in kind


Your fark handle is appropriate.
 
2014-04-30 07:50:34 PM  

CruiserTwelve: s2s2s2: About 65k crimes are stopped each year by people with guns.

And how many are committed by people with guns?


Probably more, but about 65k less than there could be. As was pointed out, up thread, not all crimes stopped by gun owners are reported.
 
2014-04-30 07:51:26 PM  

CowardlyLion: Ilmarinen: I'm all for gun control in general, but I'll readily concede that this is an example where a good guy with a gun saved the day.

/don't think I've ever even seen a gun that wasn't on a cop or soldier or in a museum

I'm still missing the part where a civilian pulling a gun on purse-snatchers is somehow smart.

/the situation resolved nonviolently, but there was never any risk of serious violence until the "good guy" threatened the snatchers with deadly force
//thankfully they didn't respond in kind


Don't care about guns... but are you suggesting that a purse snatching and dragging a person alongside a vehicle aren't violent activities?
 
2014-04-30 08:03:14 PM  

Rent Party: Well, lets do a little thought experiment. Instead of killing *no one* even though he explicitly tried, how do you think he would have fared if he just stepped out of his car with a Glock 17 and a couple of extra magazines?


I dunno, seeing as how we saw Mr. Rambo-goes-to-Fedex fail to kill anyone while heavily armed *And* bringing incendiary devices with him, and the LAX shooter failed to kill more than two people while heavily armed...chances are, he'd probably miss or fail to kill most of his targets anyway.

You do realize that even with guns, it ain't a death ray, right?
 
2014-04-30 08:06:31 PM  

Aello: Does anyone else think this woman was an idiot? She risked her life and leaving her children motherless for a purse... Sorry, there is nothing that can be worth a life in that purse.


I'd rather see the two crooks dead.  I don't care if it was over the .50 she had in her wallet and a Fun-Size Snickers bar.  if my kids are in the car, fark you for getting anywhere near me or them.  Die.
 
2014-04-30 08:09:00 PM  

Dr Jack Badofsky: Aello: Does anyone else think this woman was an idiot? She risked her life and leaving her children motherless for a purse... Sorry, there is nothing that can be worth a life in that purse.

I'd rather see the two crooks dead.  I don't care if it was over the .50 she had in her wallet and a Fun-Size Snickers bar.  if my kids are in the car, fark you for getting anywhere near me or them.  Die.


Aello: Consider that she may have had medications or similar in her purse, which the loss of could have exacerbated a medical emergency for her or her kids. You don't know.

Besides, if I were with my kids and you tried to jack me, I would also defend myself. I have no guarantee you won't use force against me or mine.
 
2014-04-30 08:10:30 PM  
Rent Party: Luse: Rent Party:
Well that's good.  Because the other argument is we regulate guns like we do cars.

That would be great! Shall issue licenses, reciprocal in every state. You can buy any car you want. Most in fact are much more powerful than the police versions. So actual assault weapons would be allowed, including full auto. They'd be permitted in all cities, on federal land, banks,  heck, even on school property.

I'm all for all of that. Let's do it!

Annual license renewals and registrations, along with associated fees!

The last time I've actually had to do a practical driving test was in driver's ed, in High School.  Even the written ones are nowhere NEAR annual. The renewals are so rigorous we can't go a week without hearing about another senior citizen plowing through a Farmer's Market.
The licensing is so rigorous I send them $30 and they send me a sticker.

Police inspection of your guns and citations if you do not have the appropriately mandated safety equipment!

The last time there was anything even RESEMBLING what you talk about there is when I got pulled over for speeding and the cop told me, "That's a nice car, you do need to slow down tho."

Mandated insurance if you're going to take it out of the house!

Insurance is the only thing you got right, and only half so. Most places just require liability, in case you injure someone, I'm ok with that.

Regulation on almost every aspect of the gun!

This is clearly bull if you are using the car comparison, see above.

Yeah, that'd be awesome.

Yes it farking would be.
Alternatively,   gun owners could just store them responsibly, and reduce the number of guns in "bad guy" hands dramatically.

The vast majority of the shooters seem to be crazy people, not stolen from a home.

Keep yelling at those clouds.
 
2014-04-30 08:11:01 PM  

Rent Party: Well, lets do a little thought experiment.  Instead of killing *no one* even though he explicitly tried, how do you think he would have fared if he just stepped out of his car with a Glock 17 and a couple of extra magazines?


If he shoots like he drives, probably nobody.

I guess you never watched Group B, but trust me, cars can be pretty damn lethal.
 
2014-04-30 08:15:08 PM  

Kit Fister: Rent Party: Well, lets do a little thought experiment. Instead of killing *no one* even though he explicitly tried, how do you think he would have fared if he just stepped out of his car with a Glock 17 and a couple of extra magazines?

I dunno, seeing as how we saw Mr. Rambo-goes-to-Fedex fail to kill anyone while heavily armed *And* bringing incendiary devices with him, and the LAX shooter failed to kill more than two people while heavily armed...chances are, he'd probably miss or fail to kill most of his targets anyway.

You do realize that even with guns, it ain't a death ray, right?


I think the point is that, in the vast majority of scenarios, guns are far more versatile and effective weapons than cars...wouldn't you agree with that statement?
 
2014-04-30 08:16:04 PM  

CowardlyLion: Ilmarinen: I'm all for gun control in general, but I'll readily concede that this is an example where a good guy with a gun saved the day.

/don't think I've ever even seen a gun that wasn't on a cop or soldier or in a museum

I'm still missing the part where a civilian pulling a gun on purse-snatchers is somehow smart.

/the situation resolved nonviolently, but there was never any risk of serious violence until the "good guy" threatened the snatchers with deadly force
//thankfully they didn't respond in kind


That's because it wasn't your family, so your only inclination is to whine about it on Fark.
 
2014-04-30 08:19:01 PM  

PreMortem: I think if it were anywhere else but Texas, the cops would've shot the good Samaritan. At least charged him with something.


You'd be correct if this happened in North Carolina.
 
2014-04-30 08:20:13 PM  

OregonVet: Gosh, I'd pop some corn, but gun grabbers avoid stories such as this like the plague.


You know, we might have to suffer through the occasional Columbine or Sandy Hook or Aurora, but knowing that this woman didn't get her purse snatched today sure makes it all worth it.
 
2014-04-30 08:24:47 PM  

Ker_Thwap: Don't care about guns... but are you suggesting that a purse snatching and dragging a person alongside a vehicle aren't violent activities?


No, but are gun shot wounds and death comparable to scrapes or bruises?

My point was/is: escalating a situation from being either completely nonviolent (or, at worst, causing minor, temporary injuries) to a potentially fatal scenario is farking stupid.

/ITGs, feel free to explain how you're always armed, always ready to murder any petty criminal, and are incapable of missing a target from any distance or hitting an unintended target
 
2014-04-30 08:41:38 PM  

erstwhileplanet: OregonVet: Gosh, I'd pop some corn, but gun grabbers avoid stories such as this like the plague.

You know, we might have to suffer through the occasional Columbine or Sandy Hook or Aurora, but knowing that this woman didn't get her purse snatched today sure makes it all worth it.


Lol, now that's a troll.
 
2014-04-30 08:46:44 PM  

CowardlyLion: Ker_Thwap: Don't care about guns... but are you suggesting that a purse snatching and dragging a person alongside a vehicle aren't violent activities?

No, but are gun shot wounds and death comparable to scrapes or bruises?

My point was/is: escalating a situation from being either completely nonviolent (or, at worst, causing minor, temporary injuries) to a potentially fatal scenario is farking stupid.

/ITGs, feel free to explain how you're always armed, always ready to murder any petty criminal, and are incapable of missing a target from any distance or hitting an unintended target


Always armed?  No, not at all.  In fact, I don't carry at all at the moment, but I don't begrudge anyone for doing so legally at all if they feel inclined to do so.  Define "armed" though.  Is a 2x4 armed?  A tire iron?  Does the perpetrator's weapon have to be smaller than the defender's in order for the defender to be considered "armed"?  I can put my car into drive and floor it?  What if I have my Biden-series double-barrel?
 
2014-04-30 08:47:58 PM  

OregonVet: Gosh, I'd pop some corn, but gun grabbers avoid stories such as this like the plague.


zero/ten
 
2014-04-30 08:58:30 PM  

CowardlyLion: Ker_Thwap: Don't care about guns... but are you suggesting that a purse snatching and dragging a person alongside a vehicle aren't violent activities?

No, but are gun shot wounds and death comparable to scrapes or bruises?

My point was/is: escalating a situation from being either completely nonviolent (or, at worst, causing minor, temporary injuries) to a potentially fatal scenario is farking stupid.

/ITGs, feel free to explain how you're always armed, always ready to murder any petty criminal, and are incapable of missing a target from any distance or hitting an unintended target



Honest answer? I'd rather be shot than dragged by a car.
 
2014-04-30 09:17:02 PM  

Rhino_man: tbeatty: PreMortem: I think if it were anywhere else but Texas, the cops would've shot the good Samaritan. At least charged him with something.

Only in places where guns in the hands of good guys scare people.  This happens all the time in places where guns are carried routinely.  This one made the news because it had video.  That was awesome picture of lawful use of force by non-LEO and equally awesome display of what humbleness.  A similar case here, without the good Samaritan, ended in the death of the woman victim as she couldn't let go of the purse before falling and getting run over.  Her friends couldn't do anything about it and her wrist was tangled in the strap.  Glad this guy was here to stop it before it happened again.

Oh yeah?  Places like "Gun ownership is mandatory" Kennesaw, GA?  Let's search google news for "Kennessaw, GA."  I'm sure nothing will turn up.


... oh.  Well surely he was stopped by a good guy with a gun, right?


... Oh.


Hmmm, let's examine your critical thinking skills.  Statement A) "Gun ownership is mandatory" Kennesaw, GA,   Fact B) Gunman kills 6 unarmed people in Kennesaw.   -- See the problem?  Like most gun free zones such as FedEx, Ft. Hood, Sandy Hook, Columbine, etc, etc, is that the good guys obey the rules and keep their means of defense out of the gun free zone.  The bad guys don't.  Result: Bad guys kill.

Here's what happens when "purse snatchers" use their car to help steal a purse and there is no good Samaritan or cop with a gun to stop it: Result: Bad guys kill.   It's a theme.

Student Dead after being dragged by car during snatching.  Caught up in strap.
http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2010/05/college_student_from_nj_dra gg e.html

Now use your google fu skills to see police confronting armed people with guns and see how that turns out.  A lot less Good Guys killed, a lot more bad guys killed and arrested.   It's easy top find deaths of unarmed victims by violent crime, deaths of people confronted by police for a crime of violence, and deaths of police by violent criminals.  Ask yourself why police carry guns when no law requires a gun to enforce it.
 
2014-04-30 09:24:48 PM  

way south: Aello: way south: Aello: Does anyone else think this woman was an idiot? She risked her life and leaving her children motherless for a purse... Sorry, there is nothing that can be worth a life in that purse.

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Nothing to say about the scumbags who were willing to kill a woman for her purse?

Obviously, they are scum of the earth and there are more than enough people saying that.. But her life wouldn't have BEEN at risk if she had let go. My grandmother went through the same experience (on foot, but she refused to let go of her purse).

Her life wouldn't have been at risk if those chucklefarks didn't try to take her purse.
Its not like she was thinking about how to respond to a purse snatcher at the time it happened. Someone grabbed her bag and she cinched down on it, not knowing what else could be done in that moment of panic.

The thieves damn well thought about how much they wanted that purse. They were ready to roll over her ass for some quick cash. They didn't let go of a property that was not theirs.
This entire situation is of their making, and they are well into the age where they should have known better.


nijika: Aello: Does anyone else think this woman was an idiot? She risked her life and leaving her children motherless for a purse... Sorry, there is nothing that can be worth a life in that purse.

Knowing the brilliance of most crooks she may have still been attached to the purse at the time.


Precisely what  nijika said. The crooks probably DIDN'T think about how much they wanted it. Saw a woman who looked vulnerable and took advantage of the situation.

Dr Jack Badofsky: Aello: Does anyone else think this woman was an idiot? She risked her life and leaving her children motherless for a purse... Sorry, there is nothing that can be worth a life in that purse.

I'd rather see the two crooks dead.  I don't care if it was over the .50 she had in her wallet and a Fun-Size Snickers bar.  if my kids are in the car, fark you for getting anywhere near me or them.  Die.


Kit Fister: Dr Jack Badofsky: Aello: Does anyone else think this woman was an idiot? She risked her life and leaving her children motherless for a purse... Sorry, there is nothing that can be worth a life in that purse.

I'd rather see the two crooks dead.  I don't care if it was over the .50 she had in her wallet and a Fun-Size Snickers bar.  if my kids are in the car, fark you for getting anywhere near me or them.  Die.

Aello: Consider that she may have had medications or similar in her purse, which the loss of could have exacerbated a medical emergency for her or her kids. You don't know.

Besides, if I were with my kids and you tried to jack me, I would also defend myself. I have no guarantee you won't use force against me or mine.


If you take someone's life, be prepared to live with their ghost the rest of your life. The ONLY way I'd be willing to kill someone is if my life were in direct danger or my son's was or someone had actually hurt him. There was no indication of violence other than the woman being dragged for holding onto her purse. Yes, I can understand if maybe there were medications that I or my child needed within the next few hours, but other than that, no. I'm letting it go.  I know that I'm not 100% sure that I would do that in a particular situation, but, there are very few things in this life that I value over my or my son's continued existence.
 
2014-04-30 09:32:48 PM  

tbeatty: Like most gun free zones such as FedEx, Ft. Hood, Sandy Hook, Columbine, etc,


Columbine had an armed and trained security on site (Jefferson County Sheriff's Deputy Neil Gardner). Or he's just a liar. Fort Hood had plenty of armed and trained MPs on site.

What is a "gun free" zone in your world?
 
2014-04-30 09:36:39 PM  

guestguy: Rhino_man: Guns can be good.  Guns can be GREAT, even, but we need a way to figure out who's going to use them to stop a robbery, like the guy in TFA, and who's going to use them to murder children, like the Newtown dickbag.

This.  Responsible gun owners are great...but how do we ensure that the vast majority of those who are allowed to purchase guns will actually be responsible with them?  The loudest voices on the pro-gun side of the debate seem to want to make it easier for people to get guns, apparently arguing that the "gooduns" will sort out the "baduns"...that's myopic and silly, just like screaming "Get rid of all guns now!"  Gun control can and should be improved, and responsible gun owners should be championing it.


You do realize the overwhelmingly vast majority of gun owners are responsible right? Considering there are millions of gun owners and all.
 
2014-04-30 09:42:32 PM  

guestguy: I think the point is that, in the vast majority of scenarios, guns are far more versatile and effective weapons than cars...wouldn't you agree with that statement?


Depends on the goal. I find guns are limited because they are defeated by armor or obstacles, they only shoot in one direction, they tend to be limited in capacity and heavy to haul around, and can be defeated by anyone who wants to grab the gun and pull itout of my hands.

Cars can kill a broader swath of people, i don't have to haul it around, it can be massively up-powered with the right chemicals and do massive damage (Tim McVeigh anyone?).

So, on a sheer damage standpoint, a gun is great for certain things, but I can improvise a car, truck, jetliner, whatever into a much bigger weapon, and with a little planning, I could easily wait around a truck stop for a truck hauling propane, liquid oxygen or nitrogen, etc., to roll through, jack the truck, and ram it into a crowded building for grins.

A gun is a pretty simple one-trick pony, and based on statistical data, takes a hell of a lot more skill to utilize effectively than just ramming someone with a car.
 
2014-04-30 09:52:27 PM  
CruiserTwelve: ... Personal experience tells me that instances of a gun being used in self-defense are far, far fewer than instances where a gun is used criminally.

\Cop for 41+ years


My personal experience tells me that I've used a gun once for self defense and never criminally.

/Decent fellow for 57+ years
 
2014-04-30 09:53:12 PM  

Aello: If you take someone's life, be prepared to live with their ghost the rest of your life. The ONLY way I'd be willing to kill someone is if my life were in direct danger or my son's was or someone had actually hurt him. There was no indication of violence other than the woman being dragged for holding onto her purse. Yes, I can understand if maybe there were medications that I or my child needed within the next few hours, but other than that, no. I'm letting it go. I know that I'm not 100% sure that I would do that in a particular situation, but, there are very few things in this life that I value over my or my son's continued existence.


So, I've been on the wrong end of a robbery. Three guys see me coming out of a brand new place of business in a pretty craptacular area of town, and figure out I'm the "computer guy", since I'm carrying electronics, come up, grab me, pull a knife and grab the stuff in my hands, and demand money. i gave 'em all the money in my wallet, but they decided it'd be fun to fark up the nerd, so they decided to beat the shiat out of me and stab me a few times for fun, then ran off laughing, leaving me laying there, bleeding out. I complied with their demands and made no attempts to resist and was nearly killed for it.

On another occasion, A man was going off in a tirade, screaming at a woman in his car, and when he thought I was going to back out of my parking space and hit him, he slammed on his brakes, jumped out, and got up in my face, and wouldn't back down even as much as I tried to defuse the situation, and was preparing to go past insults and started getting really damn close, and at that point I prepared to do the only thing I could at that point, which was to defend myself. yes, I had a firearm, yes I was prepared to use it. No, I didn't shoot him. He saw that I'd turned my body away from him and reached into my coat, and I guess that was enough for him to figure out not to start a fight, and he backed off.

Those are two personal, anecdotal events from my own life. But based on those events, I don't give a shiat, if you come towards me and act like you're going to start a fight, or if you get more aggressive than just snatching my bag and running and pose a threat, I'm going to do whatever it takes to end the threat, period, up to and including using a gun if I have to.

No, I don't want to shoot someone. In fact, I have reasons that still haunt me that make me very prone not to confront others or put myself in that position. But the bottom line is, me and my family's lives are far more important to me than the asshole who decides to get violent with me for no damn reason. Hell, farking steal the stuff out of my house, I don't care, it's all insured. But if you pose a threat to me and mine, and act like you want to hurt us, then fark you, I'm selfish and will value me over you any day of the week.
 
2014-04-30 09:54:46 PM  

abhorrent1: OregonVet: Gosh, I'd pop some corn, but gun grabbers avoid stories such as this like the plague.

zero/ten


ctrl-f
 
2014-04-30 09:54:54 PM  

Oblio13: CruiserTwelve: ... Personal experience tells me that instances of a gun being used in self-defense are far, far fewer than instances where a gun is used criminally.

\Cop for 41+ years

My personal experience tells me that I've used a gun once for self defense and never criminally.

/Decent fellow for 57+ years


Owned guns for 20 years. Family's owned guns for generations. No criminals, several cops, and several cases of self defense by firearm. My Uncle Dana still has a revolver with the evidence number on it from his case.

If we're going to go with anecdotal evidence based on experience, then I'm sure I could drum up at least 50 different law enforcement officers of varying types who all know people who have used firearms in self defense.
 
2014-04-30 10:03:59 PM  

Aello: way south: Aello: way south: Aello: Does anyone else think this woman was an idiot? She risked her life and leaving her children motherless for a purse... Sorry, there is nothing that can be worth a life in that purse.

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Nothing to say about the scumbags who were willing to kill a woman for her purse?

Obviously, they are scum of the earth and there are more than enough people saying that.. But her life wouldn't have BEEN at risk if she had let go. My grandmother went through the same experience (on foot, but she refused to let go of her purse).

Her life wouldn't have been at risk if those chucklefarks didn't try to take her purse.
Its not like she was thinking about how to respond to a purse snatcher at the time it happened. Someone grabbed her bag and she cinched down on it, not knowing what else could be done in that moment of panic.

The thieves damn well thought about how much they wanted that purse. They were ready to roll over her ass for some quick cash. They didn't let go of a property that was not theirs.
This entire situation is of their making, and they are well into the age where they should have known better.

nijika: Aello: Does anyone else think this woman was an idiot? She risked her life and leaving her children motherless for a purse... Sorry, there is nothing that can be worth a life in that purse.

Knowing the brilliance of most crooks she may have still been attached to the purse at the time.

Precisely what  nijika said. The crooks probably DIDN'T think about how much they wanted it. Saw a woman who looked vulnerable and took advantage of the situation.

Dr Jack Badofsky: Aello: Does anyone else think this woman was an idiot? She risked her life and leaving her children motherless for a purse... Sorry, there is nothing that can be worth a life in that purse.

I'd rather see the two crooks dead.  I don't care if it was over the .50 she had in her wallet and a Fun-Size Snickers bar.  if my kids are in t ...


Hmm.  Lemme think.  Me and/or my family dead and this guy lives, or this guy dead and mine live.  Ok.  I'll learn to cope, and pull the trigger a few times.  Same as that lady in GA did who was pInned with her kids in a closet, several dudes coming for her until she let the lead fly.  The baddies knew what could possibly happen and took their chances.  F 'em.
 
2014-04-30 10:20:30 PM  

Glitchwerks: Rent Party: Well, lets do a little thought experiment.  Instead of killing *no one* even though he explicitly tried, how do you think he would have fared if he just stepped out of his car with a Glock 17 and a couple of extra magazines?

If he shoots like he drives, probably nobody.

I guess you never watched Group B, but trust me, cars can be pretty damn lethal.


Hey, who wants to go to a farmers market?!
 
2014-04-30 10:23:19 PM  

Aello: Does anyone else think this woman was an idiot? She risked her life and leaving her children motherless for a purse... Sorry, there is nothing that can be worth a life in that purse.



"Whenever you are offered violence, fight back. The aggressor does not fear the law, so he must be taught to fear you. Whatever the risk, and at whatever the cost, fight back." - Jeff Cooper
 
2014-04-30 10:50:02 PM  

Satanus Maximus: PreMortem: I think if it were anywhere else but Texas, the cops would've shot the good Samaritan. At least charged him with something.

You'd be correct if this happened in North Carolina.


I don't think that you live in the same North Carolina that I do.  Around these very rural parts, he would have gotten a key to the town and a day named after him.  Hell, they might offered some shooting tips and range time for him, too.  Rural LEOs are awesome.  They actually understand the shiat that can happen in the real world.

You must be back East.  Ol' Pat McCrory will come to your help faster than anyone else.  Oh, wait, he hates everyone equally.  I just hope that enough red-voters actually realize how he burned his bridges.  I'm a mostly moderate liberal.  However, I am very strong on the the 2nd amendment, so liberals hate me too.

NC is a Shall-Issue state for CCW, and the rural PDs and Sheriffs all support that.  Response time can easily be 20-25 minutes in the mountains. Perhaps urban LEOs don't agree - but it's state law, so they can suck it.
 
2014-04-30 11:03:32 PM  
I'd have to say that I would have done the same thing 0 out of 100 times if my kids were with me.
Probably 3 out of 100 if they were not.
But since I don't have kids to worry about not having a father, maybe 50 out of 100 times.


The victim could have let go, so really the only thing he prevented was her valuables being stolen. Is that worth the chance of the criminals having their own gun, shooting you, and driving off with your kids in your PT Cruiser? Is it really?
 
2014-04-30 11:09:24 PM  

Yellow Beard: guestguy: Rhino_man: Guns can be good.  Guns can be GREAT, even, but we need a way to figure out who's going to use them to stop a robbery, like the guy in TFA, and who's going to use them to murder children, like the Newtown dickbag.

This.  Responsible gun owners are great...but how do we ensure that the vast majority of those who are allowed to purchase guns will actually be responsible with them?  The loudest voices on the pro-gun side of the debate seem to want to make it easier for people to get guns, apparently arguing that the "gooduns" will sort out the "baduns"...that's myopic and silly, just like screaming "Get rid of all guns now!"  Gun control can and should be improved, and responsible gun owners should be championing it.

You do realize the overwhelmingly vast majority of gun owners are responsible right? Considering there are millions of gun owners and all.


How do you know that exactly?  How many have been through some kind of training?  How many are careful while handling and storing them at all times?  How many dumbass rednecks are out there that like to play with firearms while drunk (I've known more than a few, and I live in the northeast)?  How many are depressed, anxious, psychotic, unbalanced or have volatile tempers?  Just because someone doesn't use one to commit a crime and hasn't had an accident doesn't automatically make them a responsible gun owner.
 
2014-04-30 11:10:32 PM  

Rhino_man: tbeatty: PreMortem: I think if it were anywhere else but Texas, the cops would've shot the good Samaritan. At least charged him with something.

Only in places where guns in the hands of good guys scare people.  This happens all the time in places where guns are carried routinely.  This one made the news because it had video.  That was awesome picture of lawful use of force by non-LEO and equally awesome display of what humbleness.  A similar case here, without the good Samaritan, ended in the death of the woman victim as she couldn't let go of the purse before falling and getting run over.  Her friends couldn't do anything about it and her wrist was tangled in the strap.  Glad this guy was here to stop it before it happened again.

Oh yeah?  Places like "Gun ownership is mandatory" Kennesaw, GA?  Let's search google news for "Kennessaw, GA."  I'm sure nothing will turn up.

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... oh.  Well surely he was stopped by a good guy with a gun, right?

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... Oh.


That happened outside of Kennesaw city limits and was also a gun free zone.

Nice try.
 
2014-04-30 11:24:00 PM  

Dr Jack Badofsky: Aello: way south: Aello: way south: Aello: Does anyone else think this woman was an idiot? She risked her life and leaving her children motherless for a purse... Sorry, there is nothing that can be worth a life in that purse.

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Nothing to say about the scumbags who were willing to kill a woman for her purse?

Obviously, they are scum of the earth and there are more than enough people saying that.. But her life wouldn't have BEEN at risk if she had let go. My grandmother went through the same experience (on foot, but she refused to let go of her purse).

Her life wouldn't have been at risk if those chucklefarks didn't try to take her purse.
Its not like she was thinking about how to respond to a purse snatcher at the time it happened. Someone grabbed her bag and she cinched down on it, not knowing what else could be done in that moment of panic.

The thieves damn well thought about how much they wanted that purse. They were ready to roll over her ass for some quick cash. They didn't let go of a property that was not theirs.
This entire situation is of their making, and they are well into the age where they should have known better.

nijika: Aello: Does anyone else think this woman was an idiot? She risked her life and leaving her children motherless for a purse... Sorry, there is nothing that can be worth a life in that purse.

Knowing the brilliance of most crooks she may have still been attached to the purse at the time.

Precisely what  nijika said. The crooks probably DIDN'T think about how much they wanted it. Saw a woman who looked vulnerable and took advantage of the situation.

Dr Jack Badofsky: Aello: Does anyone else think this woman was an idiot? She risked her life and leaving her children motherless for a purse... Sorry, there is nothing that can be worth a life in that purse.

I'd rather see the two crooks dead.  I don't care if it was over the .50 she had in her wallet and a Fun-Size Snickers bar.  if my kids a ...


This was NOT a woman caught in a closet with someone coming after her. This was a woman who held on to her purse when her children were in a car and she was being dragged across a parking lot. as I said before, my grandmother was in a similar situation 20 years ago when she was in her 60's. she wasn't afraid of anything BUT her gun being stolen which is why she tried to keep ahold of her purse. She didn't have any young children to be left behind. In fact when my mother and aunts were young, the garage that my grandmother worked/lived at got robbed, grandma handed over the money instead of risking her life. she was more worried about the children than any money they had.
 
2014-04-30 11:27:57 PM  

Kit Fister: guestguy: I think the point is that, in the vast majority of scenarios, guns are far more versatile and effective weapons than cars...wouldn't you agree with that statement?

Depends on the goal. I find guns are limited because they are defeated by armor or obstacles, they only shoot in one direction, they tend to be limited in capacity and heavy to haul around, and can be defeated by anyone who wants to grab the gun and pull itout of my hands.

Cars can kill a broader swath of people, i don't have to haul it around, it can be massively up-powered with the right chemicals and do massive damage (Tim McVeigh anyone?).

So, on a sheer damage standpoint, a gun is great for certain things, but I can improvise a car, truck, jetliner, whatever into a much bigger weapon, and with a little planning, I could easily wait around a truck stop for a truck hauling propane, liquid oxygen or nitrogen, etc., to roll through, jack the truck, and ram it into a crowded building for grins.

A gun is a pretty simple one-trick pony, and based on statistical data, takes a hell of a lot more skill to utilize effectively than just ramming someone with a car.


Oh for fark sake...I'm not saying that every gun is an unstoppable death machine.  I'm saying that it is a weapon, it is designed to be a weapon, designed to kill/harm/damage at range, and in the case of handguns, designed to be easy to conceal.  A car is large, noticeable, and loud as it approaches (if you talk about how quiet hybrids are, I might have a stroke)...yes it can be improvised into a bomb, or could be driven into a crowd of people...someone could also kill a person with a desk lamp.  Performing these contortions to equate guns with tools or vehicles in terms of their effectiveness as weapons is not the slightest bit convincing and comes off as transparent and exceedingly foolish.  Firearms deserve special consideration, plain and simple.  Anyone who tries to argue against that is either willfully ignorant or a fool.  That said, I am nowhere near a proponent of trying to confiscate or outlaw them entirely, so allow me to burn that strawman before someone attempts to hastily assemble it.  I do think there is a great deal of room for improvement when it comes to regulation, and I wholeheartedly believe that responsible gunowners should lead the charge in that area.
 
2014-04-30 11:41:54 PM  
Typical Good Samaritan.
 
2014-04-30 11:58:57 PM  
AELLO

This was NOT a woman caught in a closet with someone coming after her. This was a woman who held on to her purse when her children were in a car and she was being dragged across a parking lot. as I said before, my grandmother was in a similar situation 20 years ago when she was in her 60's. she wasn't afraid of anything BUT her gun being stolen which is why she tried to keep ahold of her purse. She didn't have any young children to be left behind. In fact when my mother and aunts were young, the garage that my grandmother worked/lived at got robbed, grandma handed over the money instead of risking her life. she was more worried about the children than any money they had.

Why exactly does this even matter? Was the man driving with his kids, witnessing an armed robbery in which a woman was being dragged by a vehicle supposed to be able to pay attention to the road and simultaneously be able to tell that she was indeed clutching the purse and therefore putting herself at risk and not have her hand caught up in the strap like another prominent case in the news recently?
You know what that man could tell? A woman was in distress by two douchebags dragging her with a vehicle while trying to rob her.

Since you see his reaction as wrong, I sincerely wish your sensibilities are respected if you ever find yourself in such a situation.
 
2014-05-01 12:03:51 AM  

Clemkadidlefark:


Is this some of that "conservative humor" I have heard about?
 
2014-05-01 12:06:32 AM  

cretinbob: not everyone is an attention whore


While true, part of me cannot help but think it's far more likely the hero is on probation or has a warrant.

If I "saved" someone by pulling my gun, you bet your sweet ass my name is gonna be in any paper I can talk to and on every screen a camera relays to and why not?
 
2014-05-01 12:06:41 AM  

Rhino_man: Oh yeah?  Places like "Gun ownership is mandatory" Kennesaw, GA?  Let's search google news for "Kennessaw, GA."  I'm sure nothing will turn up.


On the of chance that you aren't as stupid as you sound, you do know that the FedEx location is outside the Kennesaw, GA city limits, and therefore was not under the Kennesaw city ;laws?

I mean, you *did* know that, didn't you?
 
2014-05-01 12:14:47 AM  

Empty H: Clemkadidlefark:

Is this some of that "conservative humor" I have heard about?


no
 
2014-05-01 12:15:45 AM  

Terrible Old Man: cretinbob: not everyone is an attention whore

While true, part of me cannot help but think it's far more likely the hero is on probation or has a warrant.

If I "saved" someone by pulling my gun, you bet your sweet ass my name is gonna be in any paper I can talk to and on every screen a camera relays to and why not?


Because not everyone is the attention whore that you are.
 
2014-05-01 12:18:34 AM  

Luse: AELLO

This was NOT a woman caught in a closet with someone coming after her. This was a woman who held on to her purse when her children were in a car and she was being dragged across a parking lot. as I said before, my grandmother was in a similar situation 20 years ago when she was in her 60's. she wasn't afraid of anything BUT her gun being stolen which is why she tried to keep ahold of her purse. She didn't have any young children to be left behind. In fact when my mother and aunts were young, the garage that my grandmother worked/lived at got robbed, grandma handed over the money instead of risking her life. she was more worried about the children than any money they had.

Why exactly does this even matter? Was the man driving with his kids, witnessing an armed robbery in which a woman was being dragged by a vehicle supposed to be able to pay attention to the road and simultaneously be able to tell that she was indeed clutching the purse and therefore putting herself at risk and not have her hand caught up in the strap like another prominent case in the news recently?
You know what that man could tell? A woman was in distress by two douchebags dragging her with a vehicle while trying to rob her.

Since you see his reaction as wrong, I sincerely wish your sensibilities are respected if you ever find yourself in such a situation.



Did you miss the part where I said I was glad the Good Samaritan was there? FFS, I never said HIS reaction was wrong. I basically implied _I_ would have let go of MY purse if someone had tried to grab it instead of being dragged halfway across a parking lot.
 
2014-05-01 12:33:14 AM  

CruiserTwelve: taurusowner: Never ever ever presume that the likelihood of something appearing in a news story is directly correlated to how often that thing happens in life.

\Cop for 5+ years

I don't make that presumption. Personal experience tells me that instances of a gun being used in self-defense are far, far fewer than instances where a gun is used criminally.

\Cop for 41+ years


You just wrote something that makes sense and fits the facts as reported by the DoJ and CDC.
Say something dickish again so I can go back to dismissing everything you write: Make an excuse for a bad cop or call other civilians "civilians" in a dismissive manner, or something.
 
2014-05-01 01:01:00 AM  

Kit Fister: heavily armed


I went to Haircuts Under a Buck once, and stylist roulette paired me with a 400 pounder. She was, I swear, resting one of her hams on top of my head the whole time she was cutting. My friggin' neck was seriously sore for 3 days.
 
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