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(Opposing Views)   Good Samaritan sees a young woman being accosted by two thieves, swoops in and saves the day. Instead of sticking around for praise, "after the incident occurred, he bought some candy for his children and drove away"   (opposingviews.com) divider line 213
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2014-04-30 06:09:14 PM

Mrbogey: taurusowner: CruiserTwelve: OregonVet: Gosh, I'd pop some corn, but gun grabbers avoid stories such as this like the plague.

The reason stories like this make the news is because they're rare. On the other hand, gun homicides are so common that the news doesn't bother to report them any more.

No. They're not. Just most of the time people just call the police and that's the end of it. Reporters don't always want to run these stories. And an even more common occurrence is people using a firearm to scare away a criminal, and they either don't call the police or the police don't find enough evidence to pursue the case any further in any direction. It becomes a non-story.

Never ever ever presume that the likelihood of something appearing in a news story is directly correlated to how often that thing happens in life.

\Cop for 5+ years

a coworker had a guy tried to carjack him one time at a gas station. Guy walked up and tried to open the passenger door while he was distracted by another guy asking for directions. Neither one noticed his hand was clutching a pistol under his jacket till he leveled it right at the guy through the passenger window. Guys bolted out of there like lightning.

Never called the cops because he had an open beer and didn't want the hassle.


I like your coworker. My brother's got a "guy bolted out of there like lightning" story, but it doesn't involve a pistol, so it's not particularly relevant. I do love me a good "bad guy shat his pants and ran" story though, so here it is anyway:

He had just moved down to the city from the sticks of South Dakota where he'd been living since he was ten. Only 18 at this point, sitting in his rusted pickup truck in front a laundromat at night smoking a cheap cigar while his clothes were drying. Camo pants, hole-y black t-shirt, 6'4" hillbilly. Anyhow, there's this tiny lady and her boyfriend waiting for their clothes as well. They step out in front, the boyfriend leaves to go grab something at the gas station. Little lady standing by herself in front. No sooner has the boyfriend gone around the corner than two other "gents" come around the other corner. One of them pushes the girl against the wall and starts the "caging her with your hands the wall, leaning in close to her while saying god-knows-what" routine; the other stands as a lookout. Hillbilly brother decides that's not OK, and grabs his trusty camping machete from the space behind the seats.

Now, a word about this machete. It's not a normal machete. The handle is tape, the blade is rusted and pitted and jagged and angular, squared off at the top. It looks like an Uruk-hai sword. He found it camping one day, and just kept it around in his truck ever since. Anyhow, so he starts walking towards the two fellas with it behind his back. The lookout spots him and starts puffing up into the "I'm gonna fight you" stance. My brother pulls the machete out from behind his back, and the dude's eye get huge, and BAM, he's off like a flash back around the corner. The other guy tries to figure out what's wrong, sees my brother and almost falls over himself running around the corner.  Anyhow, lady says "thank you" and locks herself in her car until her boyfriend gets back, and when my brother gets his clothes out and in the truck she's still yelling at her boyfriend for leaving her alone.

Of course, no police were called or anything. Just people being civil to each other when other people weren't being civil to each other. If the scenario played out again today, it would be a gun instead of a machete but the result would be the same.
 
2014-04-30 06:13:21 PM
What happens if a cop had been patrolling and saw the "good Samaritan" holding two people at gun point? Would there be any chance the cops shoot at the armed dude in plain clothes?
 
2014-04-30 06:13:48 PM

Rent Party: We can do thatexercise right here on fark if you like. Where are your guns, right now?


See what assuming gets you? I don't own any guns. Don't have any need.

My father owns a pair of hunting rifles he keeps locked up with the trigger lock, in a locked cabinet at home though that he takes out a few times a year for hunting.

I mean you could just keep assuming, but we're talking about people, not droplets of water, so great attempt at deflection but pick something more reasonable next time.

Saying a group of people, who are going to be as diverse as fingerprints and whatnot, trying to pick out a majority group behavior and applying it to a wide range is ignorant and irresponsible.

That's like the white racist who claims all X race are bad because he was mugged or had his place broken into.

Less assuming, it'd do you some good boyo.
 
2014-04-30 06:14:01 PM

Weatherkiss: Crotchrocket Slim: Calamityfox: [dougernst.files.wordpress.com image 540x280]

What's the difference between justice and punishment?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bWpK0wsnitc  (NSFW Super Awesome action!)

I dug Punisher War Zone a lot more than his movie, but Thomas Jane's a bro if you ask me. I'd pay money to see him play Castle again... they should have him causing mischief in Avengers 3.

I would do bad things to Thomas Jane.


www.malecelebnews.com

Make sure he wears protection.
 
2014-04-30 06:18:34 PM

Crotchrocket Slim: Calamityfox: [dougernst.files.wordpress.com image 540x280]

What's the difference between justice and punishment?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bWpK0wsnitc  (NSFW Super Awesome action!)

I dug Punisher War Zone a lot more than his movie, but Thomas Jane's a bro if you ask me. I'd pay money to see him play Castle again... they should have him causing mischief in Avengers 3.


You want a good punsher movie, what the 1989 Dolph version, its pretty good and you can find it free on the internet.
 
2014-04-30 06:22:06 PM
What kind of moron purse snatches someone coming out of a dollar store? There weren't any soup kitchens nearby to knock off?
 
2014-04-30 06:26:25 PM

tylerdurden217: What happens if a cop had been patrolling and saw the "good Samaritan" holding two people at gun point? Would there be any chance the cops shoot at the armed dude in plain clothes?


The chances of a cop happening by while there's an actual crime in progress is about 0.0001% in these parts. You're more likely to get hit by an asteroid.
 
2014-04-30 06:29:04 PM

DROxINxTHExWIND: CADMonkey79: No comments about how small this guy's penis is or how lucky he is he didn't get shot with his own gun?

Wierd.


I'm no expert, but it could be because he's not posting stock photo's of futuristic guns to Fark and lying about owning and using them to stop crime.


/Just a hunch


Lying about owning and using futuristic guns?
 
2014-04-30 06:29:05 PM
These stories are like Viagra for every single-digit-IQ Teabagging NRA hick. I'd hate to be their sisters tonight.
 
2014-04-30 06:29:17 PM

Capo Del Bandito: Rent Party: We can do thatexercise right here on fark if you like. Where are your guns, right now?

See what assuming gets you? I don't own any guns. Don't have any need.

My father owns a pair of hunting rifles he keeps locked up with the trigger lock, in a locked cabinet at home though that he takes out a few times a year for hunting.

I mean you could just keep assuming, but we're talking about people, not droplets of water, so great attempt at deflection but pick something more reasonable next time.

Saying a group of people, who are going to be as diverse as fingerprints and whatnot, trying to pick out a majority group behavior and applying it to a wide range is ignorant and irresponsible.

That's like the white racist who claims all X race are bad because he was mugged or had his place broken into.

Less assuming, it'd do you some good boyo.


Oh I see.  So you know one guy that owns guns, and I know literally dozens, and you don't like *my* sampling?

You're a moron, dude.  You should just shut up in threads about things you don't know anything about.
 
2014-04-30 06:30:17 PM

OregonVet: Gosh, I'd pop some corn, but gun grabbers avoid stories such as this like the plague.


You mark yourself as an idiot when you use phrases like "gun grabbers".
 
2014-04-30 06:31:28 PM

kbronsito: [i.ytimg.com image 480x360]

photo of the suspect.


A Pakled?
 
2014-04-30 06:32:00 PM

ArcadianRefugee: OregonVet: Gosh, I'd pop some corn, but gun grabbers avoid stories such as this like the plague.

You mark yourself as an idiot when you use phrases like "gun grabbers".


This. Simple minded folks need an antagonist even if they have to create them when they don't exist.
 
2014-04-30 06:33:35 PM

PreMortem: I think if it were anywhere else but Texas, the cops would've shot the good Samaritan. At least charged him with something.


An unnamed policeman remarked, "The least he could've done would be to pistol-whip 'em both while shouting at them to 'quit resisting'....Sheesh - Civilians, y'know?  That's the difference 'tween them and a trained officer...."
 
2014-04-30 06:38:08 PM
I live in Houston and also happen to conceal carry. It's an insurance policy that I hope I never have to make a claim on.
 
2014-04-30 06:41:53 PM

ArcadianRefugee: OregonVet: Gosh, I'd pop some corn, but gun grabbers avoid stories such as this like the plague.

You mark yourself as an idiot when you use phrases like "gun grabbers".


Yeah, gun nuts need to stop doing that.
 
2014-04-30 06:42:59 PM
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Wonk-eyed Wally is watching.
 
2014-04-30 06:43:40 PM

Rent Party: guestguy: Rhino_man: Guns can be good.  Guns can be GREAT, even, but we need a way to figure out who's going to use them to stop a robbery, like the guy in TFA, and who's going to use them to murder children, like the Newtown dickbag.

This.  Responsible gun owners are great...but how do we ensure that the vast majority of those who are allowed to purchase guns will actually be responsible with them?

By making them accountable for what happens to them except under the most extreme circumstances.

You can own any gun you want.  You can carry it anywhere you want.   However, if that gun gets out of your control and is used in a crime, you are an accessory to that crime.   That includes "It got out of my control because I left it in my car and someone stole my car," and "It got out of my control because I keep it under my bed and someone broke into my house" kinds of irresponsibility.

Gun control should start and stop with gun owners.  But because gun owners by and large are a group of people unwilling to admit they are not responsible with the storage of their weapons, it requires state intervention to remediate.

Guns should be on your person, or locked in a safe at home.


Car owners should be held responsible.  If your car is stolen and used in a crime, you should be charged as an accessory to that crime.
 
2014-04-30 06:49:16 PM
i.imgur.com
 
2014-04-30 06:49:59 PM

CruiserTwelve: OregonVet: Gosh, I'd pop some corn, but gun grabbers avoid stories such as this like the plague.

The reason stories like this make the news is because they're rare. On the other hand, gun homicides are so common that the news doesn't bother to report them any more.


About 65k crimes are stopped each year by people with guns.
 
2014-04-30 06:54:52 PM
HooskerDoo:

This. Simple minded folks need an antagonist even if they have to create them when they don't exist.

HooskerDoo:

These stories are like Viagra for every single-digit-IQ Teabagging NRA hick. I'd hate to be their sisters tonight.
 
2014-04-30 06:55:39 PM

blatz514: thelordofcheese:  I liked her better in Karate Kid 3.

There was a Karate Kid 3?


No, there wasn't.  He's a troll.  He likes to come into threads like this and claim that there were movies like Star Wars Eps. 1-3, Highlander 2, Matrices 2 and 3, and more than 1 season of Heroes.  Just ignore him.
 
2014-04-30 07:01:05 PM

jaylectricity: K3rmy: Hmm. . .Good Samaritan left before anyone could identify him?  And he bought candy for his children?  How do we know that they were 'his' children?  Leaving in such a hurry arouses suspicion.  Could he also been a child nabber in the midst of his own crime and did not want the police to show up and catch him with a couple of prepubescent sex romps?

He talked to police. They took his weapon for a period of time before returning  He let them inspect his weapon. No word on if the weapon is still functional.


I wonder how many citizens could go up to an officer, take his weapon for a while and inspect the fark out of it?!?
 
2014-04-30 07:01:24 PM

That Guy Jeff: still yelling at her boyfriend for leaving her alone.


because he's responsible for her

Why wasn't she in her car in the first place? Women have no responsibility? No free agency?
 
2014-04-30 07:04:04 PM

treesloth: blatz514: thelordofcheese:  I liked her better in Karate Kid 3.

There was a Karate Kid 3?

No, there wasn't.  He's a troll.  He likes to come into threads like this and claim that there were movies like Star Wars Eps. 1-3, Highlander 2, Matrices 2 and 3, and more than 1 season of Heroes.  Just ignore him.


I liked Ep. 3.
 
2014-04-30 07:05:21 PM

treesloth: blatz514: thelordofcheese:  I liked her better in Karate Kid 3.

There was a Karate Kid 3?

No, there wasn't.  He's a troll.  He likes to come into threads like this and claim that there were movies like Star Wars Eps. 1-3, Highlander 2, Matrices 2 and 3, and more than 1 season of Heroes.  Just ignore him.


O.O
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=_=

what you did there, I see it.
 
2014-04-30 07:06:12 PM
OgreMagi:

Car owners should be held responsible.  If your car is stolen and used in a crime, you should be charged as an accessory to that crime.

When a car can be used to murder 30 kids in a school house, you get back to me.  Guns are weapons.  They require a higher standard of responsibility.
 
2014-04-30 07:06:44 PM

OregonVet: Gosh, I'd pop some corn, but gun grabbers avoid stories such as this like the plague.



I am very happy this turned out well, however as I'm sure you know, statistically you are much more likely to have a gun accident than ever be in a situation like this.  Let me a lay out a couple of different ways this could have gone down.  The snatchers pulled a gun out and shot the guy as he approached....or they exchanged fire and the woman or an innocent bystander was killed.  Then you wouldn't have thrown your post up would you?

And don't read that as not supporting what the guy did, but don't use this to jump up and down and shout.  Interestingly many years ago (in Oregon) I took my wife to gun safety classes so she could get her CCW, one of the first things the instructor pointed out "you have decide whether your wallet is worth your life or the feeling of taking another human life".

For the record, gun owner, taught my kids and bought them their first guns.  Veteran (but now living on the correct side of the river so not Oregon....).

Also I'm the libbiest lib that ever libbed, tree hugging, gay supporting, Affordable Health Care Act Supporting, Obamaislamofasciestcommunistathiest (study it out), you want to meet.  Oh and gun owning veteran, so maybe put down that great big paint brush, realize that world is not your fantasy, and grow up.
 
2014-04-30 07:09:30 PM

ArcadianRefugee: OregonVet: Gosh, I'd pop some corn, but gun grabbers avoid stories such as this like the plague.

You mark yourself as an idiot when you use phrases like "gun grabbers".


So do many others who think the opposite.  You can take the sand out of your vag now...
 
2014-04-30 07:09:48 PM

Rent Party: When a car can be used to murder 30 kids in a school house, you get back to me.  Guns are weapons.  They require a higher standard of responsibility.


Inside the school house?  Maybe not.  Outside the school, sure.  Plenty of opportunities.  Hell, during a fire drill you could kill way more than 30.
 
2014-04-30 07:12:39 PM
That's my purse! I don't know you!

data3.whicdn.com
 
2014-04-30 07:13:24 PM
I knew I was forgetting something......sunny day.....drinks....
As a lib I've never tried to grab anyone's gun........though a few women have tried to grab mine
If you know what I mean
And I think you do
Wink, Wink, Nudge, Nudge
 
2014-04-30 07:14:04 PM

Rent Party: When a car can be used to murder 30 kids in a school house, you get back to me. Guns are weapons. They require a higher standard of responsibility.


So, maybe you missed the last few cases where assholes have driven their cars into daycare centers or taken out school buses while texting or driving distracted, etc, killing a fair number of kids.

However, I agree. Guns are for adults, and take responsibility.
 
2014-04-30 07:14:23 PM

Rent Party: OgreMagi:

Car owners should be held responsible.  If your car is stolen and used in a crime, you should be charged as an accessory to that crime.

When a car can be used to murder 30 kids in a school house, you get back to me.  Guns are weapons.  They require a higher standard of responsibility.


Here, even though no one was killed, it was the intent of the driver to kill as many as he could during an event that was crowded.
 
2014-04-30 07:17:33 PM

Rent Party: OgreMagi:

Car owners should be held responsible.  If your car is stolen and used in a crime, you should be charged as an accessory to that crime.

When a car can be used to murder 30 kids in a school house, you get back to me.  Guns are weapons.  They require a higher standard of responsibility.


So is 30 the magic number I've been looking for?

If someone runs over 29 kids with a stolen vehicle they are the ones responsible, but if they finally hit that benchmark to 30 it becomes the car owners fault for allowing their car to get stolen as well?

How many people have to be on the casualty list to transition from an acceptable form of grievous injury or murder to an unacceptable form of grievous injury or murder?
 
2014-04-30 07:17:52 PM

TheOther: [s27.postimg.org image 500x300]

The only thing that can stop a bad couple is a man wearing jorts.


Just cause its hot doesn't mean you can't look good.
 
2014-04-30 07:19:47 PM

Weatherkiss: Rent Party: OgreMagi:

Car owners should be held responsible.  If your car is stolen and used in a crime, you should be charged as an accessory to that crime.

When a car can be used to murder 30 kids in a school house, you get back to me.  Guns are weapons.  They require a higher standard of responsibility.

So is 30 the magic number I've been looking for?

If someone runs over 29 kids with a stolen vehicle they are the ones responsible, but if they finally hit that benchmark to 30 it becomes the car owners fault for allowing their car to get stolen as well?

How many people have to be on the casualty list to transition from an acceptable form of grievous injury or murder to an unacceptable form of grievous injury or murder?


*pokes da weatherkiss for no other reason than to say hi*
 
2014-04-30 07:20:23 PM

Kit Fister: Weatherkiss: Rent Party: OgreMagi:

Car owners should be held responsible.  If your car is stolen and used in a crime, you should be charged as an accessory to that crime.

When a car can be used to murder 30 kids in a school house, you get back to me.  Guns are weapons.  They require a higher standard of responsibility.

So is 30 the magic number I've been looking for?

If someone runs over 29 kids with a stolen vehicle they are the ones responsible, but if they finally hit that benchmark to 30 it becomes the car owners fault for allowing their car to get stolen as well?

How many people have to be on the casualty list to transition from an acceptable form of grievous injury or murder to an unacceptable form of grievous injury or murder?

*pokes da weatherkiss for no other reason than to say hi*


hai ^_^
 
2014-04-30 07:21:11 PM

Glitchwerks: Rent Party: When a car can be used to murder 30 kids in a school house, you get back to me.  Guns are weapons.  They require a higher standard of responsibility.

Inside the school house?  Maybe not.  Outside the school, sure.  Plenty of opportunities.  Hell, during a fire drill you could kill way more than 30.


Oh I dunno. Not too hard to get them inside a building either. You just have to be a little more creative.

Now for the pedant, I'm not sure how many of the 168 dead and 680 injured were kids but all he had to do was simply change his parking spot to make that metric.
 
2014-04-30 07:22:00 PM

Aello: Does anyone else think this woman was an idiot? She risked her life and leaving her children motherless for a purse... Sorry, there is nothing that can be worth a life in that purse.


Knowing the brilliance of most crooks she may have still been attached to the purse at the time.
 
2014-04-30 07:23:06 PM

Weatherkiss: Kit Fister: Weatherkiss: Rent Party: OgreMagi:

Car owners should be held responsible.  If your car is stolen and used in a crime, you should be charged as an accessory to that crime.

When a car can be used to murder 30 kids in a school house, you get back to me.  Guns are weapons.  They require a higher standard of responsibility.

So is 30 the magic number I've been looking for?

If someone runs over 29 kids with a stolen vehicle they are the ones responsible, but if they finally hit that benchmark to 30 it becomes the car owners fault for allowing their car to get stolen as well?

How many people have to be on the casualty list to transition from an acceptable form of grievous injury or murder to an unacceptable form of grievous injury or murder?

*pokes da weatherkiss for no other reason than to say hi*

hai ^_^


how ya been, gorgeous?
 
2014-04-30 07:23:33 PM

Kit Fister: Rent Party: When a car can be used to murder 30 kids in a school house, you get back to me. Guns are weapons. They require a higher standard of responsibility.

So, maybe you missed the last few cases where assholes have driven their cars into daycare centers or taken out school buses while texting or driving distracted, etc, killing a fair number of kids.


You mean the accidental collision that forced a car into a daycare in Orlando, that left *1* child dead?   If not, then yes, I must have missed those events where assholes used their cars as weapons and left those piles of babies laying around.

However, I agree. Guns are for adults, and take responsibility.

Well that's good.  Because the other argument is we regulate guns like we do cars.
 
2014-04-30 07:25:01 PM

Kit Fister: Weatherkiss: Kit Fister: Weatherkiss: Rent Party: OgreMagi:

Car owners should be held responsible.  If your car is stolen and used in a crime, you should be charged as an accessory to that crime.

When a car can be used to murder 30 kids in a school house, you get back to me.  Guns are weapons.  They require a higher standard of responsibility.

So is 30 the magic number I've been looking for?

If someone runs over 29 kids with a stolen vehicle they are the ones responsible, but if they finally hit that benchmark to 30 it becomes the car owners fault for allowing their car to get stolen as well?

How many people have to be on the casualty list to transition from an acceptable form of grievous injury or murder to an unacceptable form of grievous injury or murder?

*pokes da weatherkiss for no other reason than to say hi*

hai ^_^

how ya been, gorgeous?


Working hard, but I've had a few days off lately to post on Fark. You?
 
2014-04-30 07:25:15 PM

Agatha Crispy: HooskerDoo:

This. Simple minded folks need an antagonist even if they have to create them when they don't exist.

HooskerDoo:

These stories are like Viagra for every single-digit-IQ Teabagging NRA hick. I'd hate to be their sisters tonight.


That would almost seem like hypocrisy on my part if single-digit-IQ Teabagging NRA hicks didn't actually exist in significant numbers.
 
2014-04-30 07:25:28 PM

noblewolf: Rent Party: OgreMagi:

Car owners should be held responsible.  If your car is stolen and used in a crime, you should be charged as an accessory to that crime.

When a car can be used to murder 30 kids in a school house, you get back to me.  Guns are weapons.  They require a higher standard of responsibility.

Here, even though no one was killed, it was the intent of the driver to kill as many as he could during an event that was crowded.


Oh, OK then.   I guess that exactly makes your point.


No one was killed.  Got it.
 
2014-04-30 07:28:06 PM

Weatherkiss: Working hard, but I've had a few days off lately to post on Fark. You?


Eh, you know, work has been busy and trying to keep my head above water. You should e-mail sometime. EIP.
 
2014-04-30 07:29:07 PM
Rent Party:
Well that's good.  Because the other argument is we regulate guns like we do cars.

That would be great! Shall issue licenses, reciprocal in every state. You can buy any car you want. Most in fact are much more powerful than the police versions. So actual assault weapons would be allowed, including full auto. They'd be permitted in all cities, on federal land, banks,  heck, even on school property.

I'm all for all of that. Let's do it!
 
2014-04-30 07:29:19 PM

Rent Party: Oh, OK then. I guess that exactly makes your point.


No one was killed. Got it.


I think the point here is that people do in fact use cars as means of killing people, and given the right circumstances, they could be equally deadly.

That doesn't necessarily mean much, but it does make the point that people will use whatever they have at hand to kill each other, which in and of itself is sad.
 
2014-04-30 07:29:54 PM

s2s2s2: About 65k crimes are stopped each year by people with guns.


And how many are committed by people with guns?
 
2014-04-30 07:30:28 PM

Luse: Rent Party:
Well that's good.  Because the other argument is we regulate guns like we do cars.

That would be great! Shall issue licenses, reciprocal in every state. You can buy any car you want. Most in fact are much more powerful than the police versions. So actual assault weapons would be allowed, including full auto. They'd be permitted in all cities, on federal land, banks,  heck, even on school property.

I'm all for all of that. Let's do it!


Technically speaking, true hi-cap, full-auto cars are either restricted from the streets, or require a special license... Commercial Driver's License ftw.
 
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