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(Opposing Views)   Good Samaritan sees a young woman being accosted by two thieves, swoops in and saves the day. Instead of sticking around for praise, "after the incident occurred, he bought some candy for his children and drove away"   (opposingviews.com ) divider line
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2014-04-30 11:36:16 AM  
Gosh, I'd pop some corn, but gun grabbers avoid stories such as this like the plague.
 
2014-04-30 11:59:52 AM  
not everyone is an attention whore
 
2014-04-30 12:15:01 PM  
Non OV Link (it's the one they linked to, sorry)
 
2014-04-30 12:18:33 PM  
I think if it were anywhere else but Texas, the cops would've shot the good Samaritan. At least charged him with something.
 
2014-04-30 12:31:37 PM  

OregonVet: Gosh, I'd pop some corn, but gun grabbers avoid stories such as this like the plague.


Think about how much scarier the good Samaritan would have been with a full auto rifle.  This is why there is no room for sensible gun control.
 
2014-04-30 01:14:39 PM  
Hmm. . .Good Samaritan left before anyone could identify him?  And he bought candy for his children?  How do we know that they were 'his' children?  Leaving in such a hurry arouses suspicion.  Could he also been a child nabber in the midst of his own crime and did not want the police to show up and catch him with a couple of prepubescent sex romps?
 
2014-04-30 01:47:42 PM  

K3rmy: Hmm. . .Good Samaritan left before anyone could identify him?  And he bought candy for his children?  How do we know that they were 'his' children?  Leaving in such a hurry arouses suspicion.  Could he also been a child nabber in the midst of his own crime and did not want the police to show up and catch him with a couple of prepubescent sex romps?


He talked to police. He let them inspect his weapon.
 
2014-04-30 02:20:36 PM  

K3rmy: Hmm. . .Good Samaritan left before anyone could identify him?  And he bought candy for his children?  How do we know that they were 'his' children?  Leaving in such a hurry arouses suspicion.  Could he also been a child nabber in the midst of his own crime and did not want the police to show up and catch him with a couple of prepubescent sex romps?


-1/10
 
2014-04-30 03:04:12 PM  

OregonVet: Gosh, I'd pop some corn, but gun grabbers avoid stories such as this like the plague.


The reason stories like this make the news is because they're rare. On the other hand, gun homicides are so common that the news doesn't bother to report them any more.
 
2014-04-30 03:30:04 PM  
i.ytimg.com

photo of the suspect.
 
2014-04-30 03:54:33 PM  
Left at the scene:

www.lonerangerfanclub.com
 
2014-04-30 04:10:13 PM  

CruiserTwelve: OregonVet: Gosh, I'd pop some corn, but gun grabbers avoid stories such as this like the plague.

The reason stories like this make the news is because they're rare. On the other hand, gun homicides are so common that the news doesn't bother to report them any more.


Yeah, you just never hear about murders with guns involved anymore...
 
2014-04-30 04:28:22 PM  

K3rmy: Hmm. . .Good Samaritan left before anyone could identify him?  And he bought candy for his children?  How do we know that they were 'his' children?  Leaving in such a hurry arouses suspicion.  Could he also been a child nabber in the midst of his own crime and did not want the police to show up and catch him with a couple of prepubescent sex romps?


I'm in tears of laughter
 
2014-04-30 04:29:22 PM  
Story is laughably impossible. A good guy with a gun has never and will never stop a crime. I learned that on Fark.
 
2014-04-30 04:30:17 PM  
Shamarion?
 
2014-04-30 04:32:26 PM  

DanZero: Non OV Link (it's the one they linked to, sorry)


And here is the link that Blaze links to.
 
2014-04-30 04:33:11 PM  

CruiserTwelve: OregonVet: Gosh, I'd pop some corn, but gun grabbers avoid stories such as this like the plague.

The reason stories like this make the news is because they're rare. On the other hand, gun homicides are so common that the news doesn't bother to report them any more.


No. They're not. Just most of the time people just call the police and that's the end of it. Reporters don't always want to run these stories. And an even more common occurrence is people using a firearm to scare away a criminal, and they either don't call the police or the police don't find enough evidence to pursue the case any further in any direction. It becomes a non-story.

Never ever ever presume that the likelihood of something appearing in a news story is directly correlated to how often that thing happens in life.

\Cop for 5+ years
 
2014-04-30 04:33:17 PM  
Only the roid ragers we entrust to beat up the elderly and paralyzed should be allowed to have guns.
 
2014-04-30 04:33:22 PM  
dougernst.files.wordpress.com

What's the difference between justice and punishment?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bWpK0wsnitc  (NSFW Super Awesome action!)
 
2014-04-30 04:33:34 PM  

OregonVet: K3rmy: Hmm. . .Good Samaritan left before anyone could identify him?  And he bought candy for his children?  How do we know that they were 'his' children?  Leaving in such a hurry arouses suspicion.  Could he also been a child nabber in the midst of his own crime and did not want the police to show up and catch him with a couple of prepubescent sex romps?

-1/10


Trolls live for the attention.
To avoid feeding them you must remove the HTML tagging.  It's a worthy nuisance.
 
2014-04-30 04:35:32 PM  

K3rmy: Hmm. . .Good Samaritan left before anyone could identify him?  And he bought candy for his children?  How do we know that they were 'his' children?  Leaving in such a hurry arouses suspicion.  Could he also been a child nabber in the midst of his own crime and did not want the police to show up and catch him with a couple of prepubescent sex romps?


I think you're on to something here. Was this concealed weapon used earlier in the abduction of these children?   "forced them to lie on the ground, and stood over them"  Well, this sounds like a prelude to some sexual antics..especially at gunpoint! I've heard that concealed carry folks have this proclivity.
 
2014-04-30 04:35:37 PM  

taurusowner: CruiserTwelve: OregonVet: Gosh, I'd pop some corn, but gun grabbers avoid stories such as this like the plague.

The reason stories like this make the news is because they're rare. On the other hand, gun homicides are so common that the news doesn't bother to report them any more.

No. They're not. Just most of the time people just call the police and that's the end of it. Reporters don't always want to run these stories. And an even more common occurrence is people using a firearm to scare away a criminal, and they either don't call the police or the police don't find enough evidence to pursue the case any further in any direction. It becomes a non-story.

Never ever ever presume that the likelihood of something appearing in a news story is directly correlated to how often that thing happens in life.

\Cop for 5+ years


Also, there's the fact that a lot of times something like this may become a story in a small newspaper but never get picked up by a larger news organization, published online, or made a story of on Fark. Just because you personally have not read many stories about ____ doesn't mean ____ doesn't happen often.
 
2014-04-30 04:35:52 PM  
i6.photobucket.com

Guns are bad, mkay
 
2014-04-30 04:37:57 PM  
Does anyone else think this woman was an idiot? She risked her life and leaving her children motherless for a purse... Sorry, there is nothing that can be worth a life in that purse.
 
2014-04-30 04:38:37 PM  

PreMortem: I think if it were anywhere else but Texas, the cops would've shot the good Samaritan. At least charged him with something.


I don't know about that. Some jackwaggon pulled a gun on me, and I pulled out a much, much bigger gun. Cops didn't even inspect my gun. I don't have a CCW, but the gun wasn't concealed on my person. Size matters.
 
2014-04-30 04:41:08 PM  

EvilEgg: Think about how much scarier the good Samaritan would have been with a full auto rifle.  This is why there is no room for sensible gun control.


Is prohibiting a law abiding citizen/good samaritan from purchasing a full auto gun from another law abiding citizen sensible gun control?
 
2014-04-30 04:41:27 PM  
This thread is remarkably free of the usual "Shoulda shot 'em in the head, yee-haw!" Dirty Harrys.  There is hope after all.
 
2014-04-30 04:42:11 PM  
alltherightsnark.org
 
2014-04-30 04:43:30 PM  

Aello: Does anyone else think this woman was an idiot? She risked her life and leaving her children motherless for a purse... Sorry, there is nothing that can be worth a life in that purse.


dl.dropboxusercontent.com

Nothing to say about the scumbags who were willing to kill a woman for her purse?
 
2014-04-30 04:44:04 PM  

guestguy: "Shoulda shot 'em in the head, yee-haw!"


If you are going to shoot a human, don't aim for the head. Don't try to "shoot 'em in the leg", either. Aim at center-mass.
 
2014-04-30 04:44:57 PM  

taurusowner: CruiserTwelve: OregonVet: Gosh, I'd pop some corn, but gun grabbers avoid stories such as this like the plague.

The reason stories like this make the news is because they're rare. On the other hand, gun homicides are so common that the news doesn't bother to report them any more.

No. They're not. Just most of the time people just call the police and that's the end of it. Reporters don't always want to run these stories. And an even more common occurrence is people using a firearm to scare away a criminal, and they either don't call the police or the police don't find enough evidence to pursue the case any further in any direction. It becomes a non-story.

Never ever ever presume that the likelihood of something appearing in a news story is directly correlated to how often that thing happens in life.

\Cop for 5+ years


a coworker had a guy tried to carjack him one time at a gas station. Guy walked up and tried to open the passenger door while he was distracted by another guy asking for directions. Neither one noticed his hand was clutching a pistol under his jacket till he leveled it right at the guy through the passenger window. Guys bolted out of there like lightning.

Never called the cops because he had an open beer and didn't want the hassle.
 
2014-04-30 04:46:15 PM  
Now wait a dash'burn minute.. I thought if responsible citizens had guns, crime would be more rampant and bullets would be flying eve'rwherez!??
 
2014-04-30 04:46:39 PM  
Unarmed Good Samaritan stabbed to death by knife-wielding thug.

Armed Good Samaritan unharmed, saves day.

Not often you get two pertinent object lessons in one day.
 
2014-04-30 04:47:02 PM  

Sin_City_Superhero: guestguy: "Shoulda shot 'em in the head, yee-haw!"

If you are going to shoot a human, don't aim for the head. Don't try to "shoot 'em in the leg", either. Aim at center-mass.


"Shoulda killed 'em dead, yee haw!"  Better?

/Gun pedantry
 
2014-04-30 04:48:33 PM  

way south: Aello: Does anyone else think this woman was an idiot? She risked her life and leaving her children motherless for a purse... Sorry, there is nothing that can be worth a life in that purse.

[dl.dropboxusercontent.com image 480x270]

Nothing to say about the scumbags who were willing to kill a woman for her purse?


Obviously, they are scum of the earth and there are more than enough people saying that.. But her life wouldn't have BEEN at risk if she had let go. My grandmother went through the same experience (on foot, but she refused to let go of her purse).
 
2014-04-30 04:51:15 PM  

taurusowner: CruiserTwelve: OregonVet: Gosh, I'd pop some corn, but gun grabbers avoid stories such as this like the plague.

The reason stories like this make the news is because they're rare. On the other hand, gun homicides are so common that the news doesn't bother to report them any more.

No. They're not. Just most of the time people just call the police and that's the end of it. Reporters don't always want to run these stories. And an even more common occurrence is people using a firearm to scare away a criminal, and they either don't call the police or the police don't find enough evidence to pursue the case any further in any direction. It becomes a non-story.

Never ever ever presume that the likelihood of something appearing in a news story is directly correlated to how often that thing happens in life.

\Cop for 5+ years


I've personally stopped a robbery before. We heard a noise in the garage of a friend's house I was visiting, and found a dude rooting through their car. I drew, he ran, I don't shoot, and it was reported to the police but went nowhere.

/so yeah, it does happen, it's just not often a story.
 
2014-04-30 04:53:08 PM  

Sin_City_Superhero: guestguy: "Shoulda shot 'em in the head, yee-haw!"

If you are going to shoot a human, don't aim for the head. Don't try to "shoot 'em in the leg", either. Aim at center-mass.


What if you just knee cap'em?
 
2014-04-30 04:53:57 PM  
No comments about how small this guy's penis is or how lucky he is he didn't get shot with his own gun?

Wierd.
 
2014-04-30 04:54:01 PM  

taurusowner: Never ever ever presume that the likelihood of something appearing in a news story is directly correlated to how often that thing happens in life.

\Cop for 5+ years


I don't make that presumption. Personal experience tells me that instances of a gun being used in self-defense are far, far fewer than instances where a gun is used criminally.

\Cop for 41+ years
 
2014-04-30 04:55:29 PM  
Came for the Lone Ranger.
I see my work here is done.
 
2014-04-30 04:55:43 PM  

PreMortem: I think if it were anywhere else but Texas, the cops would've shot the good Samaritan. At least charged him with something.


Not in North Carolina they won't.
 
2014-04-30 04:56:02 PM  

jaylectricity: K3rmy: Hmm. . .Good Samaritan left before anyone could identify him?  And he bought candy for his children?  How do we know that they were 'his' children?  Leaving in such a hurry arouses suspicion.  Could he also been a child nabber in the midst of his own crime and did not want the police to show up and catch him with a couple of prepubescent sex romps?

He talked to police. He let them inspect his weapon.


And then they gave it back.  He then bought some candy for his kids, and drove home.

More stories should end this way.
 
2014-04-30 04:58:26 PM  
This story proves once and for all that any government regulation of firearms is unnecessary and Sandy Hook and Fort Hood and Columbine never happened and nobody ever gets murdered with guns.
 
2014-04-30 05:00:20 PM  

CruiserTwelve: taurusowner: Never ever ever presume that the likelihood of something appearing in a news story is directly correlated to how often that thing happens in life.

\Cop for 5+ years

I don't make that presumption. Personal experience tells me that instances of a gun being used in self-defense are far, far fewer than instances where a gun is used criminally.

\Cop for 41+ years


But most importantly, are you two getting a kick out of these replies?
 
2014-04-30 05:03:23 PM  

Aello: Does anyone else think this woman was an idiot? She risked her life and leaving her children motherless for a purse... Sorry, there is nothing that can be worth a life in that purse.


You make it sound like it was a calculated, thought out decision, when in fact, it was just her reaction.

MBooda: Unarmed Good Samaritan stabbed to death by knife-wielding thug.

Armed Good Samaritan unharmed, saves day.

Not often you get two pertinent object lessons in one day.


Most recent one I can think of came Dec 14, 2012.
Dec 14, 2012 -
Nutbag with a gun goes on a rampage in an elementary school killing 20 kids, wounding 6.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sandy_Hook_Elementary_School_shooting

Dec 14, 2012 - Nutbag with a knife goes on a rampage in an elementary school killing no one but wounding 24.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chenpeng_Village_Primary_School_stabbin g
 
2014-04-30 05:03:53 PM  
They should call this hero "Candy Man".

/Oh wait....
//Bad idea.
///Given that creepy movie.
 
2014-04-30 05:05:20 PM  

Capo Del Bandito: CruiserTwelve: taurusowner: Never ever ever presume that the likelihood of something appearing in a news story is directly correlated to how often that thing happens in life.

\Cop for 5+ years

I don't make that presumption. Personal experience tells me that instances of a gun being used in self-defense are far, far fewer than instances where a gun is used criminally.

\Cop for 41+ years

But most importantly, are you two getting a kick out of these replies?


A bit. I'll check back in a hour.
 
2014-04-30 05:06:21 PM  

Aello: Does anyone else think this woman was an idiot? She risked her life and leaving her children motherless for a purse... Sorry, there is nothing that can be worth a life in that purse.


But it was Coach!

So, how long until Feminist demonize this guy?

What happened to women being strong, independent and proud! Fierce eyebrows!!!
 
2014-04-30 05:06:53 PM  
If thieves are that much of an issue in her neighborhood, she should just move somewhere else.

/Fark logic
 
2014-04-30 05:08:59 PM  

lennavan: Aello: Does anyone else think this woman was an idiot? She risked her life and leaving her children motherless for a purse... Sorry, there is nothing that can be worth a life in that purse.

You make it sound like it was a calculated, thought out decision, when in fact, it was just her reaction.

MBooda: Unarmed Good Samaritan stabbed to death by knife-wielding thug.

Armed Good Samaritan unharmed, saves day.

Not often you get two pertinent object lessons in one day.

Most recent one I can think of came Dec 14, 2012.
Dec 14, 2012 - Nutbag with a gun goes on a rampage in an elementary school killing 20 kids, wounding 6.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sandy_Hook_Elementary_School_shooting

Dec 14, 2012 - Nutbag with a knife goes on a rampage in an elementary school killing no one but wounding 24.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chenpeng_Village_Primary_School_stabbin g



As a mother, my FIRST reaction is my kid and taking care him. The only way I'd risk my life is if he were in danger.
 
2014-04-30 05:09:03 PM  

WelldeadLink: Came for the Lone Ranger.


Was it good for him too?
 
2014-04-30 05:10:00 PM  

CADMonkey79: No comments about how small this guy's penis is or how lucky he is he didn't get shot with his own gun?

Wierd.



I'm no expert, but it could be because he's not posting stock photo's of futuristic guns to Fark and lying about owning and using them to stop crime.


/Just a hunch
 
2014-04-30 05:10:33 PM  

thelordofcheese: So, how long until Feminist demonize this guy?

What happened to women being strong, independent and proud! Fierce eyebrows!!!


www.troll.me
 
2014-04-30 05:11:44 PM  

thelordofcheese: Aello: Does anyone else think this woman was an idiot? She risked her life and leaving her children motherless for a purse... Sorry, there is nothing that can be worth a life in that purse.

But it was Coach!

So, how long until Feminist demonize this guy?

What happened to women being strong, independent and proud! Fierce eyebrows!!!



Don't get me wrong, I'm glad this guy was there and that things worked out in the end. As far as feminism, there is such a thing as taking it too far. Hell, I know there are things I can do just as well as a man, but there are a HELL of a lot of things men can do better. Just like there are things women can do better than men.
 
2014-04-30 05:12:24 PM  

Aello: As a mother, my FIRST reaction is my kid and taking care him. The only way I'd risk my life is if he were in danger.


it's easy to monday morning quarterback the situation
 
2014-04-30 05:15:20 PM  

lennavan: Most recent one I can think of came Dec 14, 2012.
Dec 14, 2012 - Nutbag with a gun goes on a rampage in an elementary school killing 20 kids, wounding 6.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sandy_Hook_Elementary_School_shooting

Dec 14, 2012 - Nutbag with a knife goes on a rampage in an elementary school killing no one but wounding 24.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chenpeng_Village_Primary_School_stabbin g


Point taken:  Incidents in "gun-free" zones tend to have higher body counts.
And "gun-free" apparently only applies to the law-abiding.
 
2014-04-30 05:15:32 PM  
I'm all for gun control in general, but I'll readily concede that this is an example where a good guy with a gun saved the day.

/don't think I've ever even seen a gun that wasn't on a cop or soldier or in a museum
 
2014-04-30 05:15:44 PM  
s27.postimg.org

The only thing that can stop a bad couple is a man wearing jorts.
 
2014-04-30 05:16:30 PM  

Rent Party: jaylectricity: K3rmy: Hmm. . .Good Samaritan left before anyone could identify him?  And he bought candy for his children?  How do we know that they were 'his' children?  Leaving in such a hurry arouses suspicion.  Could he also been a child nabber in the midst of his own crime and did not want the police to show up and catch him with a couple of prepubescent sex romps?

He talked to police. He let them inspect his weapon.

And then they gave it back.  He then bought some candy for his kids, and drove home.

More stories should end this way.


More stories SHOULD end this way... unfortunately, we live in a world where more stories end THIS way:
lennavan:Most recent one I can think of came Dec 14, 2012.
Dec 14, 2012 - Nutbag with a gun goes on a rampage in an elementary school killing 20 kids, wounding 6.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sandy_Hook_Elementary_School_shooting

Dec 14, 2012 - Nutbag with a knife goes on a rampage in an elementary school killing no one but wounding 24.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chenpeng_Village_Primary_School_stabbin g


Now I can get just as much of a gun-boner as the next guy.  I did serve 5 years on active duty, after all, and got to fire everything from the M-16A2 to the MK19 (that's a fully automatic, belt-fed, 40mm grenade launcher.  Shockingly, not as fun as it sounds).  Guns can be good.  Guns can be GREAT, even, but we need a way to figure out who's going to use them to stop a robbery, like the guy in TFA, and who's going to use them to murder children, like the Newtown dickbag.
 
2014-04-30 05:16:34 PM  

DROxINxTHExWIND: CADMonkey79: No comments about how small this guy's penis is or how lucky he is he didn't get shot with his own gun?

Wierd.


I'm no expert, but it could be because he's not posting stock photo's of futuristic guns to Fark and lying about owning and using them to stop crime.


/Just a hunch


LAUGHTER OL CADMonkey79 got the servage!
 
2014-04-30 05:17:55 PM  

Aello: As a mother, my FIRST reaction is my kid and taking care him. The only way I'd risk my life is if he were in danger.


Hey, that's great.  Is that your purse?
You don't know what you'd do until you're in it.
 
2014-04-30 05:17:59 PM  
Damn lady just let go of your damn purse!
 
2014-04-30 05:19:55 PM  

PreMortem: I think if it were anywhere else but Texas, the cops would've shot the good Samaritan. At least charged him with something.


Only in places where guns in the hands of good guys scare people.  This happens all the time in places where guns are carried routinely.  This one made the news because it had video.  That was awesome picture of lawful use of force by non-LEO and equally awesome display of what humbleness.  A similar case here, without the good Samaritan, ended in the death of the woman victim as she couldn't let go of the purse before falling and getting run over.  Her friends couldn't do anything about it and her wrist was tangled in the strap.  Glad this guy was here to stop it before it happened again.
 
2014-04-30 05:20:16 PM  

Capo Del Bandito: CruiserTwelve: taurusowner: Never ever ever presume that the likelihood of something appearing in a news story is directly correlated to how often that thing happens in life.

\Cop for 5+ years

I don't make that presumption. Personal experience tells me that instances of a gun being used in self-defense are far, far fewer than instances where a gun is used criminally.

\Cop for 41+ years

But most importantly, are you two getting a kick out of these replies?


Or why weren't their brothers in blue there to do their jobs?
 
2014-04-30 05:20:27 PM  

Another Pretentious Nickname: Damn lady just let go of your damn purse!


No no...marble rye.

www.jewishledger.com

Ya old bag!
 
2014-04-30 05:20:34 PM  

Ilmarinen: I'm all for gun control in general, but I'll readily concede that this is an example where a good guy with a gun saved the day.

/don't think I've ever even seen a gun that wasn't on a cop or soldier or in a museum


When seconds count, the police are only minutes away.  Where I live, about 5-15 minutes, depending on time of day.  Where a friend of mine lives, 25 minutes.
 
2014-04-30 05:21:19 PM  

OtherLittleGuy: Left at the scene:

[www.lonerangerfanclub.com image 425x320]


Thank you Masked Man.
 
2014-04-30 05:23:25 PM  

Galloping Galoshes: Ilmarinen: I'm all for gun control in general, but I'll readily concede that this is an example where a good guy with a gun saved the day.

/don't think I've ever even seen a gun that wasn't on a cop or soldier or in a museum

When seconds count, the police are only minutes away.  Where I live, about 5-15 minutes, depending on time of day.  Where a friend of mine lives, 25 minutes.


stuffpoint.com
 
2014-04-30 05:24:23 PM  
Good samartian is black? What a thug.
 
2014-04-30 05:24:37 PM  

Aello: Just like there are things women can do better than men.


biatch, moan, complain, nag... you are correct.
 
2014-04-30 05:26:07 PM  
Wait, I thought he got stabbed.
 
2014-04-30 05:26:22 PM  

thelordofcheese: Aello: Just like there are things women can do better than men.

biatch, moan, complain, nag... you are correct.


What's this nag and complain you talk about? I was married once, if one wants something done, the only thing is to do it oneself :P
 
2014-04-30 05:26:48 PM  

blatz514: Another Pretentious Nickname: Damn lady just let go of your damn purse!

No no...marble rye.

[www.jewishledger.com image 300x279]

Ya old bag!


I liked her better in Karate Kid 3.
 
2014-04-30 05:27:45 PM  

Rhino_man: Guns can be good.  Guns can be GREAT, even, but we need a way to figure out who's going to use them to stop a robbery, like the guy in TFA, and who's going to use them to murder children, like the Newtown dickbag.


This.  Responsible gun owners are great...but how do we ensure that the vast majority of those who are allowed to purchase guns will actually be responsible with them?  The loudest voices on the pro-gun side of the debate seem to want to make it easier for people to get guns, apparently arguing that the "gooduns" will sort out the "baduns"...that's myopic and silly, just like screaming "Get rid of all guns now!"  Gun control can and should be improved, and responsible gun owners should be championing it.
 
2014-04-30 05:29:19 PM  

guestguy: Rhino_man: Guns can be good.  Guns can be GREAT, even, but we need a way to figure out who's going to use them to stop a robbery, like the guy in TFA, and who's going to use them to murder children, like the Newtown dickbag.

This.  Responsible gun owners are great...but how do we ensure that the vast majority of those who are allowed to purchase guns will actually be responsible with them?  The loudest voices on the pro-gun side of the debate seem to want to make it easier for people to get guns, apparently arguing that the "gooduns" will sort out the "baduns"...that's myopic and silly, just like screaming "Get rid of all guns now!"  Gun control can and should be improved, and responsible gun owners should be championing it.


I'm a pro-gun liberal and I don't want to see easier access to owning guns. I do, however, want to see easier access to mental healthcare so people won't want to use a gun irresponsibily in the first place.
 
2014-04-30 05:29:35 PM  

thelordofcheese: blatz514: Another Pretentious Nickname: Damn lady just let go of your damn purse!

No no...marble rye.

[www.jewishledger.com image 300x279]

Ya old bag!

I liked her better in Karate Kid 3.


There was a Karate Kid 3?
 
2014-04-30 05:29:50 PM  

thelordofcheese: Aello: Just like there are things women can do better than men.

biatch, moan, complain, nag... you are correct.


Ah, that answers my previous question, thank you.
 
2014-04-30 05:30:40 PM  

Galloping Galoshes: Ilmarinen: I'm all for gun control in general, but I'll readily concede that this is an example where a good guy with a gun saved the day.

/don't think I've ever even seen a gun that wasn't on a cop or soldier or in a museum

When seconds count, the police are only minutes away.  Where I live, about 5-15 minutes, depending on time of day.  Where a friend of mine lives, 25 minutes.


Well yes, if you are in an unsafe place, you'd like to be armed, obviously.
 
2014-04-30 05:30:41 PM  

tbeatty: PreMortem: I think if it were anywhere else but Texas, the cops would've shot the good Samaritan. At least charged him with something.

Only in places where guns in the hands of good guys scare people.  This happens all the time in places where guns are carried routinely.  This one made the news because it had video.  That was awesome picture of lawful use of force by non-LEO and equally awesome display of what humbleness.  A similar case here, without the good Samaritan, ended in the death of the woman victim as she couldn't let go of the purse before falling and getting run over.  Her friends couldn't do anything about it and her wrist was tangled in the strap.  Glad this guy was here to stop it before it happened again.


Oh yeah?  Places like "Gun ownership is mandatory" Kennesaw, GA?  Let's search google news for "Kennessaw, GA."  I'm sure nothing will turn up.

img.fark.net
... oh.  Well surely he was stopped by a good guy with a gun, right?

img.fark.net

... Oh.
 
2014-04-30 05:31:07 PM  

DanZero: Non OV Link (it's the one they linked to, sorry)


From OV to The Blaze. Anybody got a real news source for this?
 
2014-04-30 05:31:38 PM  

Weatherkiss: I'm a pro-gun liberal and I don't want to see easier access to owning guns. I do, however, want to see easier access to mental healthcare so people won't want to use a gun irresponsibily in the first place.



Agreed
 
2014-04-30 05:32:05 PM  
And the headline in California will read:

COUPLE FORCED TO THE GROUND, TERRORIZED BY GUNMAN UNTIL POLICE ARRIVE !
 
2014-04-30 05:38:08 PM  

K3rmy: Hmm. . .Good Samaritan left before anyone could identify him?


He gave his name and so on to the cops.  His name isn't in TFA because he's a witness in the trial, and the police aren't in the business of releasing those.

This kind of story isn't actually all that uncommon in Texas, apparently we all took it pretty seriously when the purpose of our concealed carry law was to provide a backup preventative measure against crime.  Any decent-sized city in the state you'll see 5 or 6 of these stories in the local paper in a given year.  It's not really even section A material, and the cops certainly have their shiat worked out on how to handle it by now.

// In a large city it doesn't even usually make the paper, they've got no space for foiled crimes unless someone got away.
 
2014-04-30 05:38:57 PM  

cig-mkr: And the headline in California will read:

COUPLE FORCED TO THE GROUND, TERRORIZED BY GUNMAN UNTIL POLICE ARRIVE !


what a sweet kid...

more like:  COUPLE FORCED TO THE GROUND, TERRORIZED BY  POLICE !
 
2014-04-30 05:39:59 PM  

blatz514: thelordofcheese: blatz514: Another Pretentious Nickname: Damn lady just let go of your damn purse!

No no...marble rye.

[www.jewishledger.com image 300x279]

Ya old bag!

I liked her better in Karate Kid 3.

There was a Karate Kid 3?


Bad Cobra Kai guy tries to get revenge. Cancels all his appointments for work to work on getting revenge.

Horribly bad.
 
2014-04-30 05:40:44 PM  

Aello: way south: Aello: Does anyone else think this woman was an idiot? She risked her life and leaving her children motherless for a purse... Sorry, there is nothing that can be worth a life in that purse.

[dl.dropboxusercontent.com image 480x270]

Nothing to say about the scumbags who were willing to kill a woman for her purse?

Obviously, they are scum of the earth and there are more than enough people saying that.. But her life wouldn't have BEEN at risk if she had let go. My grandmother went through the same experience (on foot, but she refused to let go of her purse).


Her life wouldn't have been at risk if those chucklefarks didn't try to take her purse.
Its not like she was thinking about how to respond to a purse snatcher at the time it happened. Someone grabbed her bag and she cinched down on it, not knowing what else could be done in that moment of panic.

The thieves damn well thought about how much they wanted that purse. They were ready to roll over her ass for some quick cash. They didn't let go of a property that was not theirs.
This entire situation is of their making, and they are well into the age where they should have known better.
 
2014-04-30 05:46:37 PM  

Weatherkiss: guestguy: Rhino_man: Guns can be good.  Guns can be GREAT, even, but we need a way to figure out who's going to use them to stop a robbery, like the guy in TFA, and who's going to use them to murder children, like the Newtown dickbag.

This.  Responsible gun owners are great...but how do we ensure that the vast majority of those who are allowed to purchase guns will actually be responsible with them?  The loudest voices on the pro-gun side of the debate seem to want to make it easier for people to get guns, apparently arguing that the "gooduns" will sort out the "baduns"...that's myopic and silly, just like screaming "Get rid of all guns now!"  Gun control can and should be improved, and responsible gun owners should be championing it.

I'm a pro-gun liberal and I don't want to see easier access to owning guns. I do, however, want to see easier access to mental healthcare so people won't want to use a gun irresponsibily in the first place.


Maybe gun shops and mental health care centers can work out some kind of package deal. Buy a Glock, see the Doc!
 
2014-04-30 05:48:17 PM  

Ilmarinen: I'm all for gun control in general, but I'll readily concede that this is an example where a good guy with a gun saved the day.

/don't think I've ever even seen a gun that wasn't on a cop or soldier or in a museum


I guess that's why they call it concealed carry.
 
2014-04-30 05:50:26 PM  

guestguy: Rhino_man: Guns can be good.  Guns can be GREAT, even, but we need a way to figure out who's going to use them to stop a robbery, like the guy in TFA, and who's going to use them to murder children, like the Newtown dickbag.

This.  Responsible gun owners are great...but how do we ensure that the vast majority of those who are allowed to purchase guns will actually be responsible with them?


By making them accountable for what happens to them except under the most extreme circumstances.

You can own any gun you want.  You can carry it anywhere you want.   However, if that gun gets out of your control and is used in a crime, you are an accessory to that crime.   That includes "It got out of my control because I left it in my car and someone stole my car," and "It got out of my control because I keep it under my bed and someone broke into my house" kinds of irresponsibility.

Gun control should start and stop with gun owners.  But because gun owners by and large are a group of people unwilling to admit they are not responsible with the storage of their weapons, it requires state intervention to remediate.

Guns should be on your person, or locked in a safe at home.
 
2014-04-30 05:51:06 PM  

Weatherkiss: I do, however, want to see easier access to mental healthcare so people won't want to use a gun irresponsibily in the first place.


You do know that not all those types show signs of it, or it's a crime of passion type of thing? There are cases of both but it's not an exact science.

That and those types generally won't voluntarily go to see a doctor.
 
2014-04-30 05:53:50 PM  

Rent Party: But because gun owners by and large are a group of people unwilling to admit they are not responsible with the storage of their weapons, it requires state intervention to remediate.


I wasn't aware that you knew the majority of gun owners.

How else could you figure out the mindset of the majority unless you were assuming that in your limited experience the people you've happened to come across tended to lean/act/a certain way.

But surely no reasonable person would assume the majority of anything without having personal knowledge of those people. Surely.
 
2014-04-30 05:56:07 PM  

Capo Del Bandito: blatz514: thelordofcheese: blatz514: Another Pretentious Nickname: Damn lady just let go of your damn purse!

No no...marble rye.

[www.jewishledger.com image 300x279]

Ya old bag!

I liked her better in Karate Kid 3.

There was a Karate Kid 3?

Bad Cobra Kai guy tries to get revenge. Cancels all his appointments for work to work on getting revenge.

Horribly bad.


watch the RiffTrax version.
 
2014-04-30 05:56:15 PM  

OregonVet: Gosh, I'd pop some corn, but gun grabbers avoid stories such as this like the plague.


I'm sure your use of "gun grabber", broad generalization and childish attack will really help people see your side of the argument.
 
2014-04-30 05:56:42 PM  

Rhino_man: lennavan:Most recent one I can think of came Dec 14, 2012.
Dec 14, 2012 - Nutbag with a gun goes on a rampage in an elementary school killing 20 kids, wounding 6.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sandy_Hook_Elementary_School_shooting

Dec 14, 2012 - Nutbag with a knife goes on a rampage in an elementary school killing no one but wounding 24.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chenpeng_Village_Primary_School_stabbin g

Now I can get just as much of a gun-boner as the next guy. I did serve 5 years on active duty, after all, and got to fire everything from the M-16A2 to the MK19 (that's a fully automatic, belt-fed, 40mm grenade launcher. Shockingly, not as fun as it sounds). Guns can be good. Guns can be GREAT, even, but we need a way to figure out who's going to use them to stop a robbery, like the guy in TFA, and who's going to use them to murder children, like the Newtown dickbag.


With those examples, I would be content if gun-boner advocates admit guns are more lethal than knives.  You'd think that'd be a no brainer but the constant "if you take guns away from crazy people, they'll just use a knife" gets boring.
 
2014-04-30 05:57:06 PM  

Capo Del Bandito: Rent Party: But because gun owners by and large are a group of people unwilling to admit they are not responsible with the storage of their weapons, it requires state intervention to remediate.

I wasn't aware that you knew the majority of gun owners.

How else could you figure out the mindset of the majority unless you were assuming that in your limited experience the people you've happened to come across tended to lean/act/a certain way.

But surely no reasonable person would assume the majority of anything without having personal knowledge of those people. Surely.


Because you're bad at math?   I'm going to bet you think you can't do water testing unless you test every drop of water in the tank, right?

We can do thatexercise right here on fark if you like.  Where are your guns, right now?
 
2014-04-30 05:57:34 PM  
I'm pretty sure the moral of the story here is that no amount of white knighting is gonna do you any good if you forget to buy candy for your kids.
 
2014-04-30 05:59:35 PM  

lennavan: Rhino_man: lennavan:Most recent one I can think of came Dec 14, 2012.
Dec 14, 2012 - Nutbag with a gun goes on a rampage in an elementary school killing 20 kids, wounding 6.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sandy_Hook_Elementary_School_shooting

Dec 14, 2012 - Nutbag with a knife goes on a rampage in an elementary school killing no one but wounding 24.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chenpeng_Village_Primary_School_stabbin g

Now I can get just as much of a gun-boner as the next guy. I did serve 5 years on active duty, after all, and got to fire everything from the M-16A2 to the MK19 (that's a fully automatic, belt-fed, 40mm grenade launcher. Shockingly, not as fun as it sounds). Guns can be good. Guns can be GREAT, even, but we need a way to figure out who's going to use them to stop a robbery, like the guy in TFA, and who's going to use them to murder children, like the Newtown dickbag.

With those examples, I would be content if gun-boner advocates admit guns are more lethal than knives.  You'd think that'd be a no brainer but the constant "if you take guns away from crazy people, they'll just use a knife" gets boring.


They never put two and two together.  They want a gun so they'll feel safe because a knife isn't enough.  Why isn't a knife enough?  BECAUSE A GUN IS MORE LETHAL.
 
2014-04-30 05:59:45 PM  

Aello: lennavan: Aello: Does anyone else think this woman was an idiot? She risked her life and leaving her children motherless for a purse... Sorry, there is nothing that can be worth a life in that purse.

You make it sound like it was a calculated, thought out decision, when in fact, it was just her reaction.

As a mother, my FIRST reaction is my kid and taking care him. The only way I'd risk my life is if he were in danger.


I have no doubt that's what you THINK you will do.  But I think you're an idiot for pretending like you know for sure how you'll respond to a situation like this.
 
2014-04-30 06:01:55 PM  

Calamityfox: [dougernst.files.wordpress.com image 540x280]

What's the difference between justice and punishment?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bWpK0wsnitc  (NSFW Super Awesome action!)


I dug Punisher War Zone a lot more than his movie, but Thomas Jane's a bro if you ask me. I'd pay money to see him play Castle again... they should have him causing mischief in Avengers 3.
 
2014-04-30 06:05:23 PM  

Crotchrocket Slim: Calamityfox: [dougernst.files.wordpress.com image 540x280]

What's the difference between justice and punishment?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bWpK0wsnitc  (NSFW Super Awesome action!)

I dug Punisher War Zone a lot more than his movie, but Thomas Jane's a bro if you ask me. I'd pay money to see him play Castle again... they should have him causing mischief in Avengers 3.


I would do bad things to Thomas Jane.
 
2014-04-30 06:09:14 PM  

Mrbogey: taurusowner: CruiserTwelve: OregonVet: Gosh, I'd pop some corn, but gun grabbers avoid stories such as this like the plague.

The reason stories like this make the news is because they're rare. On the other hand, gun homicides are so common that the news doesn't bother to report them any more.

No. They're not. Just most of the time people just call the police and that's the end of it. Reporters don't always want to run these stories. And an even more common occurrence is people using a firearm to scare away a criminal, and they either don't call the police or the police don't find enough evidence to pursue the case any further in any direction. It becomes a non-story.

Never ever ever presume that the likelihood of something appearing in a news story is directly correlated to how often that thing happens in life.

\Cop for 5+ years

a coworker had a guy tried to carjack him one time at a gas station. Guy walked up and tried to open the passenger door while he was distracted by another guy asking for directions. Neither one noticed his hand was clutching a pistol under his jacket till he leveled it right at the guy through the passenger window. Guys bolted out of there like lightning.

Never called the cops because he had an open beer and didn't want the hassle.


I like your coworker. My brother's got a "guy bolted out of there like lightning" story, but it doesn't involve a pistol, so it's not particularly relevant. I do love me a good "bad guy shat his pants and ran" story though, so here it is anyway:

He had just moved down to the city from the sticks of South Dakota where he'd been living since he was ten. Only 18 at this point, sitting in his rusted pickup truck in front a laundromat at night smoking a cheap cigar while his clothes were drying. Camo pants, hole-y black t-shirt, 6'4" hillbilly. Anyhow, there's this tiny lady and her boyfriend waiting for their clothes as well. They step out in front, the boyfriend leaves to go grab something at the gas station. Little lady standing by herself in front. No sooner has the boyfriend gone around the corner than two other "gents" come around the other corner. One of them pushes the girl against the wall and starts the "caging her with your hands the wall, leaning in close to her while saying god-knows-what" routine; the other stands as a lookout. Hillbilly brother decides that's not OK, and grabs his trusty camping machete from the space behind the seats.

Now, a word about this machete. It's not a normal machete. The handle is tape, the blade is rusted and pitted and jagged and angular, squared off at the top. It looks like an Uruk-hai sword. He found it camping one day, and just kept it around in his truck ever since. Anyhow, so he starts walking towards the two fellas with it behind his back. The lookout spots him and starts puffing up into the "I'm gonna fight you" stance. My brother pulls the machete out from behind his back, and the dude's eye get huge, and BAM, he's off like a flash back around the corner. The other guy tries to figure out what's wrong, sees my brother and almost falls over himself running around the corner.  Anyhow, lady says "thank you" and locks herself in her car until her boyfriend gets back, and when my brother gets his clothes out and in the truck she's still yelling at her boyfriend for leaving her alone.

Of course, no police were called or anything. Just people being civil to each other when other people weren't being civil to each other. If the scenario played out again today, it would be a gun instead of a machete but the result would be the same.
 
2014-04-30 06:13:21 PM  
What happens if a cop had been patrolling and saw the "good Samaritan" holding two people at gun point? Would there be any chance the cops shoot at the armed dude in plain clothes?
 
2014-04-30 06:13:48 PM  

Rent Party: We can do thatexercise right here on fark if you like. Where are your guns, right now?


See what assuming gets you? I don't own any guns. Don't have any need.

My father owns a pair of hunting rifles he keeps locked up with the trigger lock, in a locked cabinet at home though that he takes out a few times a year for hunting.

I mean you could just keep assuming, but we're talking about people, not droplets of water, so great attempt at deflection but pick something more reasonable next time.

Saying a group of people, who are going to be as diverse as fingerprints and whatnot, trying to pick out a majority group behavior and applying it to a wide range is ignorant and irresponsible.

That's like the white racist who claims all X race are bad because he was mugged or had his place broken into.

Less assuming, it'd do you some good boyo.
 
2014-04-30 06:14:01 PM  

Weatherkiss: Crotchrocket Slim: Calamityfox: [dougernst.files.wordpress.com image 540x280]

What's the difference between justice and punishment?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bWpK0wsnitc  (NSFW Super Awesome action!)

I dug Punisher War Zone a lot more than his movie, but Thomas Jane's a bro if you ask me. I'd pay money to see him play Castle again... they should have him causing mischief in Avengers 3.

I would do bad things to Thomas Jane.


www.malecelebnews.com

Make sure he wears protection.
 
2014-04-30 06:18:34 PM  

Crotchrocket Slim: Calamityfox: [dougernst.files.wordpress.com image 540x280]

What's the difference between justice and punishment?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bWpK0wsnitc  (NSFW Super Awesome action!)

I dug Punisher War Zone a lot more than his movie, but Thomas Jane's a bro if you ask me. I'd pay money to see him play Castle again... they should have him causing mischief in Avengers 3.


You want a good punsher movie, what the 1989 Dolph version, its pretty good and you can find it free on the internet.
 
2014-04-30 06:22:06 PM  
What kind of moron purse snatches someone coming out of a dollar store? There weren't any soup kitchens nearby to knock off?
 
2014-04-30 06:26:25 PM  

tylerdurden217: What happens if a cop had been patrolling and saw the "good Samaritan" holding two people at gun point? Would there be any chance the cops shoot at the armed dude in plain clothes?


The chances of a cop happening by while there's an actual crime in progress is about 0.0001% in these parts. You're more likely to get hit by an asteroid.
 
2014-04-30 06:29:04 PM  

DROxINxTHExWIND: CADMonkey79: No comments about how small this guy's penis is or how lucky he is he didn't get shot with his own gun?

Wierd.


I'm no expert, but it could be because he's not posting stock photo's of futuristic guns to Fark and lying about owning and using them to stop crime.


/Just a hunch


Lying about owning and using futuristic guns?
 
2014-04-30 06:29:05 PM  
These stories are like Viagra for every single-digit-IQ Teabagging NRA hick. I'd hate to be their sisters tonight.
 
2014-04-30 06:29:17 PM  

Capo Del Bandito: Rent Party: We can do thatexercise right here on fark if you like. Where are your guns, right now?

See what assuming gets you? I don't own any guns. Don't have any need.

My father owns a pair of hunting rifles he keeps locked up with the trigger lock, in a locked cabinet at home though that he takes out a few times a year for hunting.

I mean you could just keep assuming, but we're talking about people, not droplets of water, so great attempt at deflection but pick something more reasonable next time.

Saying a group of people, who are going to be as diverse as fingerprints and whatnot, trying to pick out a majority group behavior and applying it to a wide range is ignorant and irresponsible.

That's like the white racist who claims all X race are bad because he was mugged or had his place broken into.

Less assuming, it'd do you some good boyo.


Oh I see.  So you know one guy that owns guns, and I know literally dozens, and you don't like *my* sampling?

You're a moron, dude.  You should just shut up in threads about things you don't know anything about.
 
2014-04-30 06:30:17 PM  

OregonVet: Gosh, I'd pop some corn, but gun grabbers avoid stories such as this like the plague.


You mark yourself as an idiot when you use phrases like "gun grabbers".
 
2014-04-30 06:31:28 PM  

kbronsito: [i.ytimg.com image 480x360]

photo of the suspect.


A Pakled?
 
2014-04-30 06:32:00 PM  

ArcadianRefugee: OregonVet: Gosh, I'd pop some corn, but gun grabbers avoid stories such as this like the plague.

You mark yourself as an idiot when you use phrases like "gun grabbers".


This. Simple minded folks need an antagonist even if they have to create them when they don't exist.
 
2014-04-30 06:33:35 PM  

PreMortem: I think if it were anywhere else but Texas, the cops would've shot the good Samaritan. At least charged him with something.


An unnamed policeman remarked, "The least he could've done would be to pistol-whip 'em both while shouting at them to 'quit resisting'....Sheesh - Civilians, y'know?  That's the difference 'tween them and a trained officer...."
 
2014-04-30 06:38:08 PM  
I live in Houston and also happen to conceal carry. It's an insurance policy that I hope I never have to make a claim on.
 
2014-04-30 06:41:53 PM  

ArcadianRefugee: OregonVet: Gosh, I'd pop some corn, but gun grabbers avoid stories such as this like the plague.

You mark yourself as an idiot when you use phrases like "gun grabbers".


Yeah, gun nuts need to stop doing that.
 
2014-04-30 06:42:59 PM  
img.fark.net

Wonk-eyed Wally is watching.
 
2014-04-30 06:43:40 PM  

Rent Party: guestguy: Rhino_man: Guns can be good.  Guns can be GREAT, even, but we need a way to figure out who's going to use them to stop a robbery, like the guy in TFA, and who's going to use them to murder children, like the Newtown dickbag.

This.  Responsible gun owners are great...but how do we ensure that the vast majority of those who are allowed to purchase guns will actually be responsible with them?

By making them accountable for what happens to them except under the most extreme circumstances.

You can own any gun you want.  You can carry it anywhere you want.   However, if that gun gets out of your control and is used in a crime, you are an accessory to that crime.   That includes "It got out of my control because I left it in my car and someone stole my car," and "It got out of my control because I keep it under my bed and someone broke into my house" kinds of irresponsibility.

Gun control should start and stop with gun owners.  But because gun owners by and large are a group of people unwilling to admit they are not responsible with the storage of their weapons, it requires state intervention to remediate.

Guns should be on your person, or locked in a safe at home.


Car owners should be held responsible.  If your car is stolen and used in a crime, you should be charged as an accessory to that crime.
 
2014-04-30 06:49:16 PM  
i.imgur.com
 
2014-04-30 06:49:59 PM  

CruiserTwelve: OregonVet: Gosh, I'd pop some corn, but gun grabbers avoid stories such as this like the plague.

The reason stories like this make the news is because they're rare. On the other hand, gun homicides are so common that the news doesn't bother to report them any more.


About 65k crimes are stopped each year by people with guns.
 
2014-04-30 06:54:52 PM  
HooskerDoo:

This. Simple minded folks need an antagonist even if they have to create them when they don't exist.

HooskerDoo:

These stories are like Viagra for every single-digit-IQ Teabagging NRA hick. I'd hate to be their sisters tonight.
 
2014-04-30 06:55:39 PM  

blatz514: thelordofcheese:  I liked her better in Karate Kid 3.

There was a Karate Kid 3?


No, there wasn't.  He's a troll.  He likes to come into threads like this and claim that there were movies like Star Wars Eps. 1-3, Highlander 2, Matrices 2 and 3, and more than 1 season of Heroes.  Just ignore him.
 
2014-04-30 07:01:05 PM  

jaylectricity: K3rmy: Hmm. . .Good Samaritan left before anyone could identify him?  And he bought candy for his children?  How do we know that they were 'his' children?  Leaving in such a hurry arouses suspicion.  Could he also been a child nabber in the midst of his own crime and did not want the police to show up and catch him with a couple of prepubescent sex romps?

He talked to police. They took his weapon for a period of time before returning  He let them inspect his weapon. No word on if the weapon is still functional.


I wonder how many citizens could go up to an officer, take his weapon for a while and inspect the fark out of it?!?
 
2014-04-30 07:01:24 PM  

That Guy Jeff: still yelling at her boyfriend for leaving her alone.


because he's responsible for her

Why wasn't she in her car in the first place? Women have no responsibility? No free agency?
 
2014-04-30 07:04:04 PM  

treesloth: blatz514: thelordofcheese:  I liked her better in Karate Kid 3.

There was a Karate Kid 3?

No, there wasn't.  He's a troll.  He likes to come into threads like this and claim that there were movies like Star Wars Eps. 1-3, Highlander 2, Matrices 2 and 3, and more than 1 season of Heroes.  Just ignore him.


I liked Ep. 3.
 
2014-04-30 07:05:21 PM  

treesloth: blatz514: thelordofcheese:  I liked her better in Karate Kid 3.

There was a Karate Kid 3?

No, there wasn't.  He's a troll.  He likes to come into threads like this and claim that there were movies like Star Wars Eps. 1-3, Highlander 2, Matrices 2 and 3, and more than 1 season of Heroes.  Just ignore him.


O.O
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.
=_=

what you did there, I see it.
 
2014-04-30 07:06:12 PM  
OgreMagi:

Car owners should be held responsible.  If your car is stolen and used in a crime, you should be charged as an accessory to that crime.

When a car can be used to murder 30 kids in a school house, you get back to me.  Guns are weapons.  They require a higher standard of responsibility.
 
2014-04-30 07:06:44 PM  

OregonVet: Gosh, I'd pop some corn, but gun grabbers avoid stories such as this like the plague.



I am very happy this turned out well, however as I'm sure you know, statistically you are much more likely to have a gun accident than ever be in a situation like this.  Let me a lay out a couple of different ways this could have gone down.  The snatchers pulled a gun out and shot the guy as he approached....or they exchanged fire and the woman or an innocent bystander was killed.  Then you wouldn't have thrown your post up would you?

And don't read that as not supporting what the guy did, but don't use this to jump up and down and shout.  Interestingly many years ago (in Oregon) I took my wife to gun safety classes so she could get her CCW, one of the first things the instructor pointed out "you have decide whether your wallet is worth your life or the feeling of taking another human life".

For the record, gun owner, taught my kids and bought them their first guns.  Veteran (but now living on the correct side of the river so not Oregon....).

Also I'm the libbiest lib that ever libbed, tree hugging, gay supporting, Affordable Health Care Act Supporting, Obamaislamofasciestcommunistathiest (study it out), you want to meet.  Oh and gun owning veteran, so maybe put down that great big paint brush, realize that world is not your fantasy, and grow up.
 
2014-04-30 07:09:30 PM  

ArcadianRefugee: OregonVet: Gosh, I'd pop some corn, but gun grabbers avoid stories such as this like the plague.

You mark yourself as an idiot when you use phrases like "gun grabbers".


So do many others who think the opposite.  You can take the sand out of your vag now...
 
2014-04-30 07:09:48 PM  

Rent Party: When a car can be used to murder 30 kids in a school house, you get back to me.  Guns are weapons.  They require a higher standard of responsibility.


Inside the school house?  Maybe not.  Outside the school, sure.  Plenty of opportunities.  Hell, during a fire drill you could kill way more than 30.
 
2014-04-30 07:12:39 PM  
That's my purse! I don't know you!

data3.whicdn.com
 
2014-04-30 07:13:24 PM  
I knew I was forgetting something......sunny day.....drinks....
As a lib I've never tried to grab anyone's gun........though a few women have tried to grab mine
If you know what I mean
And I think you do
Wink, Wink, Nudge, Nudge
 
2014-04-30 07:14:04 PM  

Rent Party: When a car can be used to murder 30 kids in a school house, you get back to me. Guns are weapons. They require a higher standard of responsibility.


So, maybe you missed the last few cases where assholes have driven their cars into daycare centers or taken out school buses while texting or driving distracted, etc, killing a fair number of kids.

However, I agree. Guns are for adults, and take responsibility.
 
2014-04-30 07:14:23 PM  

Rent Party: OgreMagi:

Car owners should be held responsible.  If your car is stolen and used in a crime, you should be charged as an accessory to that crime.

When a car can be used to murder 30 kids in a school house, you get back to me.  Guns are weapons.  They require a higher standard of responsibility.


Here, even though no one was killed, it was the intent of the driver to kill as many as he could during an event that was crowded.
 
2014-04-30 07:17:33 PM  

Rent Party: OgreMagi:

Car owners should be held responsible.  If your car is stolen and used in a crime, you should be charged as an accessory to that crime.

When a car can be used to murder 30 kids in a school house, you get back to me.  Guns are weapons.  They require a higher standard of responsibility.


So is 30 the magic number I've been looking for?

If someone runs over 29 kids with a stolen vehicle they are the ones responsible, but if they finally hit that benchmark to 30 it becomes the car owners fault for allowing their car to get stolen as well?

How many people have to be on the casualty list to transition from an acceptable form of grievous injury or murder to an unacceptable form of grievous injury or murder?
 
2014-04-30 07:17:52 PM  

TheOther: [s27.postimg.org image 500x300]

The only thing that can stop a bad couple is a man wearing jorts.


Just cause its hot doesn't mean you can't look good.
 
2014-04-30 07:19:47 PM  

Weatherkiss: Rent Party: OgreMagi:

Car owners should be held responsible.  If your car is stolen and used in a crime, you should be charged as an accessory to that crime.

When a car can be used to murder 30 kids in a school house, you get back to me.  Guns are weapons.  They require a higher standard of responsibility.

So is 30 the magic number I've been looking for?

If someone runs over 29 kids with a stolen vehicle they are the ones responsible, but if they finally hit that benchmark to 30 it becomes the car owners fault for allowing their car to get stolen as well?

How many people have to be on the casualty list to transition from an acceptable form of grievous injury or murder to an unacceptable form of grievous injury or murder?


*pokes da weatherkiss for no other reason than to say hi*
 
2014-04-30 07:20:23 PM  

Kit Fister: Weatherkiss: Rent Party: OgreMagi:

Car owners should be held responsible.  If your car is stolen and used in a crime, you should be charged as an accessory to that crime.

When a car can be used to murder 30 kids in a school house, you get back to me.  Guns are weapons.  They require a higher standard of responsibility.

So is 30 the magic number I've been looking for?

If someone runs over 29 kids with a stolen vehicle they are the ones responsible, but if they finally hit that benchmark to 30 it becomes the car owners fault for allowing their car to get stolen as well?

How many people have to be on the casualty list to transition from an acceptable form of grievous injury or murder to an unacceptable form of grievous injury or murder?

*pokes da weatherkiss for no other reason than to say hi*


hai ^_^
 
2014-04-30 07:21:11 PM  

Glitchwerks: Rent Party: When a car can be used to murder 30 kids in a school house, you get back to me.  Guns are weapons.  They require a higher standard of responsibility.

Inside the school house?  Maybe not.  Outside the school, sure.  Plenty of opportunities.  Hell, during a fire drill you could kill way more than 30.


Oh I dunno. Not too hard to get them inside a building either. You just have to be a little more creative.

Now for the pedant, I'm not sure how many of the 168 dead and 680 injured were kids but all he had to do was simply change his parking spot to make that metric.
 
2014-04-30 07:22:00 PM  

Aello: Does anyone else think this woman was an idiot? She risked her life and leaving her children motherless for a purse... Sorry, there is nothing that can be worth a life in that purse.


Knowing the brilliance of most crooks she may have still been attached to the purse at the time.
 
2014-04-30 07:23:06 PM  

Weatherkiss: Kit Fister: Weatherkiss: Rent Party: OgreMagi:

Car owners should be held responsible.  If your car is stolen and used in a crime, you should be charged as an accessory to that crime.

When a car can be used to murder 30 kids in a school house, you get back to me.  Guns are weapons.  They require a higher standard of responsibility.

So is 30 the magic number I've been looking for?

If someone runs over 29 kids with a stolen vehicle they are the ones responsible, but if they finally hit that benchmark to 30 it becomes the car owners fault for allowing their car to get stolen as well?

How many people have to be on the casualty list to transition from an acceptable form of grievous injury or murder to an unacceptable form of grievous injury or murder?

*pokes da weatherkiss for no other reason than to say hi*

hai ^_^


how ya been, gorgeous?
 
2014-04-30 07:23:33 PM  

Kit Fister: Rent Party: When a car can be used to murder 30 kids in a school house, you get back to me. Guns are weapons. They require a higher standard of responsibility.

So, maybe you missed the last few cases where assholes have driven their cars into daycare centers or taken out school buses while texting or driving distracted, etc, killing a fair number of kids.


You mean the accidental collision that forced a car into a daycare in Orlando, that left *1* child dead?   If not, then yes, I must have missed those events where assholes used their cars as weapons and left those piles of babies laying around.

However, I agree. Guns are for adults, and take responsibility.

Well that's good.  Because the other argument is we regulate guns like we do cars.
 
2014-04-30 07:25:01 PM  

Kit Fister: Weatherkiss: Kit Fister: Weatherkiss: Rent Party: OgreMagi:

Car owners should be held responsible.  If your car is stolen and used in a crime, you should be charged as an accessory to that crime.

When a car can be used to murder 30 kids in a school house, you get back to me.  Guns are weapons.  They require a higher standard of responsibility.

So is 30 the magic number I've been looking for?

If someone runs over 29 kids with a stolen vehicle they are the ones responsible, but if they finally hit that benchmark to 30 it becomes the car owners fault for allowing their car to get stolen as well?

How many people have to be on the casualty list to transition from an acceptable form of grievous injury or murder to an unacceptable form of grievous injury or murder?

*pokes da weatherkiss for no other reason than to say hi*

hai ^_^

how ya been, gorgeous?


Working hard, but I've had a few days off lately to post on Fark. You?
 
2014-04-30 07:25:15 PM  

Agatha Crispy: HooskerDoo:

This. Simple minded folks need an antagonist even if they have to create them when they don't exist.

HooskerDoo:

These stories are like Viagra for every single-digit-IQ Teabagging NRA hick. I'd hate to be their sisters tonight.


That would almost seem like hypocrisy on my part if single-digit-IQ Teabagging NRA hicks didn't actually exist in significant numbers.
 
2014-04-30 07:25:28 PM  

noblewolf: Rent Party: OgreMagi:

Car owners should be held responsible.  If your car is stolen and used in a crime, you should be charged as an accessory to that crime.

When a car can be used to murder 30 kids in a school house, you get back to me.  Guns are weapons.  They require a higher standard of responsibility.

Here, even though no one was killed, it was the intent of the driver to kill as many as he could during an event that was crowded.


Oh, OK then.   I guess that exactly makes your point.


No one was killed.  Got it.
 
2014-04-30 07:28:06 PM  

Weatherkiss: Working hard, but I've had a few days off lately to post on Fark. You?


Eh, you know, work has been busy and trying to keep my head above water. You should e-mail sometime. EIP.
 
2014-04-30 07:29:07 PM  
Rent Party:
Well that's good.  Because the other argument is we regulate guns like we do cars.

That would be great! Shall issue licenses, reciprocal in every state. You can buy any car you want. Most in fact are much more powerful than the police versions. So actual assault weapons would be allowed, including full auto. They'd be permitted in all cities, on federal land, banks,  heck, even on school property.

I'm all for all of that. Let's do it!
 
2014-04-30 07:29:19 PM  

Rent Party: Oh, OK then. I guess that exactly makes your point.


No one was killed. Got it.


I think the point here is that people do in fact use cars as means of killing people, and given the right circumstances, they could be equally deadly.

That doesn't necessarily mean much, but it does make the point that people will use whatever they have at hand to kill each other, which in and of itself is sad.
 
2014-04-30 07:29:54 PM  

s2s2s2: About 65k crimes are stopped each year by people with guns.


And how many are committed by people with guns?
 
2014-04-30 07:30:28 PM  

Luse: Rent Party:
Well that's good.  Because the other argument is we regulate guns like we do cars.

That would be great! Shall issue licenses, reciprocal in every state. You can buy any car you want. Most in fact are much more powerful than the police versions. So actual assault weapons would be allowed, including full auto. They'd be permitted in all cities, on federal land, banks,  heck, even on school property.

I'm all for all of that. Let's do it!


Technically speaking, true hi-cap, full-auto cars are either restricted from the streets, or require a special license... Commercial Driver's License ftw.
 
2014-04-30 07:32:24 PM  
I'm all for this, in that if Texas is going to let people bring guns everywhere, at least some of them aren't going to be criminals, right?
 
2014-04-30 07:35:02 PM  
This story kind of balances the other story today about the good Samaritan getting stabbed to death.  Kind of.
 
2014-04-30 07:39:09 PM  

Luse: Rent Party:
Well that's good.  Because the other argument is we regulate guns like we do cars.

That would be great! Shall issue licenses, reciprocal in every state. You can buy any car you want. Most in fact are much more powerful than the police versions. So actual assault weapons would be allowed, including full auto. They'd be permitted in all cities, on federal land, banks,  heck, even on school property.

I'm all for all of that. Let's do it!


Annual license renewals and registrations, along with associated fees!  Police inspection of your guns and citations if you do not have the appropriately mandated safety equipment!   Mandated insurance if you're going to take it out of the house!  Regulation on almost every aspect of the gun!

Yeah, that'd be awesome.

Alternatively,   gun owners could just store them responsibly, and reduce the number of guns in "bad guy" hands dramatically.
 
2014-04-30 07:41:17 PM  

Kit Fister: Rent Party: Oh, OK then. I guess that exactly makes your point.


No one was killed. Got it.

I think the point here is that people do in fact use cars as means of killing people, and given the right circumstances, they could be equally deadly.

That doesn't necessarily mean much, but it does make the point that people will use whatever they have at hand to kill each other, which in and of itself is sad.


Well, lets do a little thought experiment.  Instead of killing *no one* even though he explicitly tried, how do you think he would have fared if he just stepped out of his car with a Glock 17 and a couple of extra magazines?
 
2014-04-30 07:44:37 PM  

Ilmarinen: I'm all for gun control in general, but I'll readily concede that this is an example where a good guy with a gun saved the day.

/don't think I've ever even seen a gun that wasn't on a cop or soldier or in a museum


I'm still missing the part where a civilian pulling a gun on purse-snatchers is somehow smart.

/the situation resolved nonviolently, but there was never any risk of serious violence until the "good guy" threatened the snatchers with deadly force
//thankfully they didn't respond in kind
 
2014-04-30 07:50:31 PM  

CowardlyLion: Ilmarinen: I'm all for gun control in general, but I'll readily concede that this is an example where a good guy with a gun saved the day.

/don't think I've ever even seen a gun that wasn't on a cop or soldier or in a museum

I'm still missing the part where a civilian pulling a gun on purse-snatchers is somehow smart.

/the situation resolved nonviolently, but there was never any risk of serious violence until the "good guy" threatened the snatchers with deadly force
//thankfully they didn't respond in kind


Your fark handle is appropriate.
 
2014-04-30 07:50:34 PM  

CruiserTwelve: s2s2s2: About 65k crimes are stopped each year by people with guns.

And how many are committed by people with guns?


Probably more, but about 65k less than there could be. As was pointed out, up thread, not all crimes stopped by gun owners are reported.
 
2014-04-30 07:51:26 PM  

CowardlyLion: Ilmarinen: I'm all for gun control in general, but I'll readily concede that this is an example where a good guy with a gun saved the day.

/don't think I've ever even seen a gun that wasn't on a cop or soldier or in a museum

I'm still missing the part where a civilian pulling a gun on purse-snatchers is somehow smart.

/the situation resolved nonviolently, but there was never any risk of serious violence until the "good guy" threatened the snatchers with deadly force
//thankfully they didn't respond in kind


Don't care about guns... but are you suggesting that a purse snatching and dragging a person alongside a vehicle aren't violent activities?
 
2014-04-30 08:03:14 PM  

Rent Party: Well, lets do a little thought experiment. Instead of killing *no one* even though he explicitly tried, how do you think he would have fared if he just stepped out of his car with a Glock 17 and a couple of extra magazines?


I dunno, seeing as how we saw Mr. Rambo-goes-to-Fedex fail to kill anyone while heavily armed *And* bringing incendiary devices with him, and the LAX shooter failed to kill more than two people while heavily armed...chances are, he'd probably miss or fail to kill most of his targets anyway.

You do realize that even with guns, it ain't a death ray, right?
 
2014-04-30 08:06:31 PM  

Aello: Does anyone else think this woman was an idiot? She risked her life and leaving her children motherless for a purse... Sorry, there is nothing that can be worth a life in that purse.


I'd rather see the two crooks dead.  I don't care if it was over the .50 she had in her wallet and a Fun-Size Snickers bar.  if my kids are in the car, fark you for getting anywhere near me or them.  Die.
 
2014-04-30 08:09:00 PM  

Dr Jack Badofsky: Aello: Does anyone else think this woman was an idiot? She risked her life and leaving her children motherless for a purse... Sorry, there is nothing that can be worth a life in that purse.

I'd rather see the two crooks dead.  I don't care if it was over the .50 she had in her wallet and a Fun-Size Snickers bar.  if my kids are in the car, fark you for getting anywhere near me or them.  Die.


Aello: Consider that she may have had medications or similar in her purse, which the loss of could have exacerbated a medical emergency for her or her kids. You don't know.

Besides, if I were with my kids and you tried to jack me, I would also defend myself. I have no guarantee you won't use force against me or mine.
 
2014-04-30 08:10:30 PM  
Rent Party: Luse: Rent Party:
Well that's good.  Because the other argument is we regulate guns like we do cars.

That would be great! Shall issue licenses, reciprocal in every state. You can buy any car you want. Most in fact are much more powerful than the police versions. So actual assault weapons would be allowed, including full auto. They'd be permitted in all cities, on federal land, banks,  heck, even on school property.

I'm all for all of that. Let's do it!

Annual license renewals and registrations, along with associated fees!

The last time I've actually had to do a practical driving test was in driver's ed, in High School.  Even the written ones are nowhere NEAR annual. The renewals are so rigorous we can't go a week without hearing about another senior citizen plowing through a Farmer's Market.
The licensing is so rigorous I send them $30 and they send me a sticker.

Police inspection of your guns and citations if you do not have the appropriately mandated safety equipment!

The last time there was anything even RESEMBLING what you talk about there is when I got pulled over for speeding and the cop told me, "That's a nice car, you do need to slow down tho."

Mandated insurance if you're going to take it out of the house!

Insurance is the only thing you got right, and only half so. Most places just require liability, in case you injure someone, I'm ok with that.

Regulation on almost every aspect of the gun!

This is clearly bull if you are using the car comparison, see above.

Yeah, that'd be awesome.

Yes it farking would be.
Alternatively,   gun owners could just store them responsibly, and reduce the number of guns in "bad guy" hands dramatically.

The vast majority of the shooters seem to be crazy people, not stolen from a home.

Keep yelling at those clouds.
 
2014-04-30 08:11:01 PM  

Rent Party: Well, lets do a little thought experiment.  Instead of killing *no one* even though he explicitly tried, how do you think he would have fared if he just stepped out of his car with a Glock 17 and a couple of extra magazines?


If he shoots like he drives, probably nobody.

I guess you never watched Group B, but trust me, cars can be pretty damn lethal.
 
2014-04-30 08:15:08 PM  

Kit Fister: Rent Party: Well, lets do a little thought experiment. Instead of killing *no one* even though he explicitly tried, how do you think he would have fared if he just stepped out of his car with a Glock 17 and a couple of extra magazines?

I dunno, seeing as how we saw Mr. Rambo-goes-to-Fedex fail to kill anyone while heavily armed *And* bringing incendiary devices with him, and the LAX shooter failed to kill more than two people while heavily armed...chances are, he'd probably miss or fail to kill most of his targets anyway.

You do realize that even with guns, it ain't a death ray, right?


I think the point is that, in the vast majority of scenarios, guns are far more versatile and effective weapons than cars...wouldn't you agree with that statement?
 
2014-04-30 08:16:04 PM  

CowardlyLion: Ilmarinen: I'm all for gun control in general, but I'll readily concede that this is an example where a good guy with a gun saved the day.

/don't think I've ever even seen a gun that wasn't on a cop or soldier or in a museum

I'm still missing the part where a civilian pulling a gun on purse-snatchers is somehow smart.

/the situation resolved nonviolently, but there was never any risk of serious violence until the "good guy" threatened the snatchers with deadly force
//thankfully they didn't respond in kind


That's because it wasn't your family, so your only inclination is to whine about it on Fark.
 
2014-04-30 08:19:01 PM  

PreMortem: I think if it were anywhere else but Texas, the cops would've shot the good Samaritan. At least charged him with something.


You'd be correct if this happened in North Carolina.
 
2014-04-30 08:20:13 PM  

OregonVet: Gosh, I'd pop some corn, but gun grabbers avoid stories such as this like the plague.


You know, we might have to suffer through the occasional Columbine or Sandy Hook or Aurora, but knowing that this woman didn't get her purse snatched today sure makes it all worth it.
 
2014-04-30 08:24:47 PM  

Ker_Thwap: Don't care about guns... but are you suggesting that a purse snatching and dragging a person alongside a vehicle aren't violent activities?


No, but are gun shot wounds and death comparable to scrapes or bruises?

My point was/is: escalating a situation from being either completely nonviolent (or, at worst, causing minor, temporary injuries) to a potentially fatal scenario is farking stupid.

/ITGs, feel free to explain how you're always armed, always ready to murder any petty criminal, and are incapable of missing a target from any distance or hitting an unintended target
 
2014-04-30 08:41:38 PM  

erstwhileplanet: OregonVet: Gosh, I'd pop some corn, but gun grabbers avoid stories such as this like the plague.

You know, we might have to suffer through the occasional Columbine or Sandy Hook or Aurora, but knowing that this woman didn't get her purse snatched today sure makes it all worth it.


Lol, now that's a troll.
 
2014-04-30 08:46:44 PM  

CowardlyLion: Ker_Thwap: Don't care about guns... but are you suggesting that a purse snatching and dragging a person alongside a vehicle aren't violent activities?

No, but are gun shot wounds and death comparable to scrapes or bruises?

My point was/is: escalating a situation from being either completely nonviolent (or, at worst, causing minor, temporary injuries) to a potentially fatal scenario is farking stupid.

/ITGs, feel free to explain how you're always armed, always ready to murder any petty criminal, and are incapable of missing a target from any distance or hitting an unintended target


Always armed?  No, not at all.  In fact, I don't carry at all at the moment, but I don't begrudge anyone for doing so legally at all if they feel inclined to do so.  Define "armed" though.  Is a 2x4 armed?  A tire iron?  Does the perpetrator's weapon have to be smaller than the defender's in order for the defender to be considered "armed"?  I can put my car into drive and floor it?  What if I have my Biden-series double-barrel?
 
2014-04-30 08:47:58 PM  

OregonVet: Gosh, I'd pop some corn, but gun grabbers avoid stories such as this like the plague.


zero/ten
 
2014-04-30 08:58:30 PM  

CowardlyLion: Ker_Thwap: Don't care about guns... but are you suggesting that a purse snatching and dragging a person alongside a vehicle aren't violent activities?

No, but are gun shot wounds and death comparable to scrapes or bruises?

My point was/is: escalating a situation from being either completely nonviolent (or, at worst, causing minor, temporary injuries) to a potentially fatal scenario is farking stupid.

/ITGs, feel free to explain how you're always armed, always ready to murder any petty criminal, and are incapable of missing a target from any distance or hitting an unintended target



Honest answer? I'd rather be shot than dragged by a car.
 
2014-04-30 09:17:02 PM  

Rhino_man: tbeatty: PreMortem: I think if it were anywhere else but Texas, the cops would've shot the good Samaritan. At least charged him with something.

Only in places where guns in the hands of good guys scare people.  This happens all the time in places where guns are carried routinely.  This one made the news because it had video.  That was awesome picture of lawful use of force by non-LEO and equally awesome display of what humbleness.  A similar case here, without the good Samaritan, ended in the death of the woman victim as she couldn't let go of the purse before falling and getting run over.  Her friends couldn't do anything about it and her wrist was tangled in the strap.  Glad this guy was here to stop it before it happened again.

Oh yeah?  Places like "Gun ownership is mandatory" Kennesaw, GA?  Let's search google news for "Kennessaw, GA."  I'm sure nothing will turn up.


... oh.  Well surely he was stopped by a good guy with a gun, right?


... Oh.


Hmmm, let's examine your critical thinking skills.  Statement A) "Gun ownership is mandatory" Kennesaw, GA,   Fact B) Gunman kills 6 unarmed people in Kennesaw.   -- See the problem?  Like most gun free zones such as FedEx, Ft. Hood, Sandy Hook, Columbine, etc, etc, is that the good guys obey the rules and keep their means of defense out of the gun free zone.  The bad guys don't.  Result: Bad guys kill.

Here's what happens when "purse snatchers" use their car to help steal a purse and there is no good Samaritan or cop with a gun to stop it: Result: Bad guys kill.   It's a theme.

Student Dead after being dragged by car during snatching.  Caught up in strap.
http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2010/05/college_student_from_nj_dra gg e.html

Now use your google fu skills to see police confronting armed people with guns and see how that turns out.  A lot less Good Guys killed, a lot more bad guys killed and arrested.   It's easy top find deaths of unarmed victims by violent crime, deaths of people confronted by police for a crime of violence, and deaths of police by violent criminals.  Ask yourself why police carry guns when no law requires a gun to enforce it.
 
2014-04-30 09:24:48 PM  

way south: Aello: way south: Aello: Does anyone else think this woman was an idiot? She risked her life and leaving her children motherless for a purse... Sorry, there is nothing that can be worth a life in that purse.

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Nothing to say about the scumbags who were willing to kill a woman for her purse?

Obviously, they are scum of the earth and there are more than enough people saying that.. But her life wouldn't have BEEN at risk if she had let go. My grandmother went through the same experience (on foot, but she refused to let go of her purse).

Her life wouldn't have been at risk if those chucklefarks didn't try to take her purse.
Its not like she was thinking about how to respond to a purse snatcher at the time it happened. Someone grabbed her bag and she cinched down on it, not knowing what else could be done in that moment of panic.

The thieves damn well thought about how much they wanted that purse. They were ready to roll over her ass for some quick cash. They didn't let go of a property that was not theirs.
This entire situation is of their making, and they are well into the age where they should have known better.


nijika: Aello: Does anyone else think this woman was an idiot? She risked her life and leaving her children motherless for a purse... Sorry, there is nothing that can be worth a life in that purse.

Knowing the brilliance of most crooks she may have still been attached to the purse at the time.


Precisely what  nijika said. The crooks probably DIDN'T think about how much they wanted it. Saw a woman who looked vulnerable and took advantage of the situation.

Dr Jack Badofsky: Aello: Does anyone else think this woman was an idiot? She risked her life and leaving her children motherless for a purse... Sorry, there is nothing that can be worth a life in that purse.

I'd rather see the two crooks dead.  I don't care if it was over the .50 she had in her wallet and a Fun-Size Snickers bar.  if my kids are in the car, fark you for getting anywhere near me or them.  Die.


Kit Fister: Dr Jack Badofsky: Aello: Does anyone else think this woman was an idiot? She risked her life and leaving her children motherless for a purse... Sorry, there is nothing that can be worth a life in that purse.

I'd rather see the two crooks dead.  I don't care if it was over the .50 she had in her wallet and a Fun-Size Snickers bar.  if my kids are in the car, fark you for getting anywhere near me or them.  Die.

Aello: Consider that she may have had medications or similar in her purse, which the loss of could have exacerbated a medical emergency for her or her kids. You don't know.

Besides, if I were with my kids and you tried to jack me, I would also defend myself. I have no guarantee you won't use force against me or mine.


If you take someone's life, be prepared to live with their ghost the rest of your life. The ONLY way I'd be willing to kill someone is if my life were in direct danger or my son's was or someone had actually hurt him. There was no indication of violence other than the woman being dragged for holding onto her purse. Yes, I can understand if maybe there were medications that I or my child needed within the next few hours, but other than that, no. I'm letting it go.  I know that I'm not 100% sure that I would do that in a particular situation, but, there are very few things in this life that I value over my or my son's continued existence.
 
2014-04-30 09:32:48 PM  

tbeatty: Like most gun free zones such as FedEx, Ft. Hood, Sandy Hook, Columbine, etc,


Columbine had an armed and trained security on site (Jefferson County Sheriff's Deputy Neil Gardner). Or he's just a liar. Fort Hood had plenty of armed and trained MPs on site.

What is a "gun free" zone in your world?
 
2014-04-30 09:36:39 PM  

guestguy: Rhino_man: Guns can be good.  Guns can be GREAT, even, but we need a way to figure out who's going to use them to stop a robbery, like the guy in TFA, and who's going to use them to murder children, like the Newtown dickbag.

This.  Responsible gun owners are great...but how do we ensure that the vast majority of those who are allowed to purchase guns will actually be responsible with them?  The loudest voices on the pro-gun side of the debate seem to want to make it easier for people to get guns, apparently arguing that the "gooduns" will sort out the "baduns"...that's myopic and silly, just like screaming "Get rid of all guns now!"  Gun control can and should be improved, and responsible gun owners should be championing it.


You do realize the overwhelmingly vast majority of gun owners are responsible right? Considering there are millions of gun owners and all.
 
2014-04-30 09:42:32 PM  

guestguy: I think the point is that, in the vast majority of scenarios, guns are far more versatile and effective weapons than cars...wouldn't you agree with that statement?


Depends on the goal. I find guns are limited because they are defeated by armor or obstacles, they only shoot in one direction, they tend to be limited in capacity and heavy to haul around, and can be defeated by anyone who wants to grab the gun and pull itout of my hands.

Cars can kill a broader swath of people, i don't have to haul it around, it can be massively up-powered with the right chemicals and do massive damage (Tim McVeigh anyone?).

So, on a sheer damage standpoint, a gun is great for certain things, but I can improvise a car, truck, jetliner, whatever into a much bigger weapon, and with a little planning, I could easily wait around a truck stop for a truck hauling propane, liquid oxygen or nitrogen, etc., to roll through, jack the truck, and ram it into a crowded building for grins.

A gun is a pretty simple one-trick pony, and based on statistical data, takes a hell of a lot more skill to utilize effectively than just ramming someone with a car.
 
2014-04-30 09:52:27 PM  
CruiserTwelve: ... Personal experience tells me that instances of a gun being used in self-defense are far, far fewer than instances where a gun is used criminally.

\Cop for 41+ years


My personal experience tells me that I've used a gun once for self defense and never criminally.

/Decent fellow for 57+ years
 
2014-04-30 09:53:12 PM  

Aello: If you take someone's life, be prepared to live with their ghost the rest of your life. The ONLY way I'd be willing to kill someone is if my life were in direct danger or my son's was or someone had actually hurt him. There was no indication of violence other than the woman being dragged for holding onto her purse. Yes, I can understand if maybe there were medications that I or my child needed within the next few hours, but other than that, no. I'm letting it go. I know that I'm not 100% sure that I would do that in a particular situation, but, there are very few things in this life that I value over my or my son's continued existence.


So, I've been on the wrong end of a robbery. Three guys see me coming out of a brand new place of business in a pretty craptacular area of town, and figure out I'm the "computer guy", since I'm carrying electronics, come up, grab me, pull a knife and grab the stuff in my hands, and demand money. i gave 'em all the money in my wallet, but they decided it'd be fun to fark up the nerd, so they decided to beat the shiat out of me and stab me a few times for fun, then ran off laughing, leaving me laying there, bleeding out. I complied with their demands and made no attempts to resist and was nearly killed for it.

On another occasion, A man was going off in a tirade, screaming at a woman in his car, and when he thought I was going to back out of my parking space and hit him, he slammed on his brakes, jumped out, and got up in my face, and wouldn't back down even as much as I tried to defuse the situation, and was preparing to go past insults and started getting really damn close, and at that point I prepared to do the only thing I could at that point, which was to defend myself. yes, I had a firearm, yes I was prepared to use it. No, I didn't shoot him. He saw that I'd turned my body away from him and reached into my coat, and I guess that was enough for him to figure out not to start a fight, and he backed off.

Those are two personal, anecdotal events from my own life. But based on those events, I don't give a shiat, if you come towards me and act like you're going to start a fight, or if you get more aggressive than just snatching my bag and running and pose a threat, I'm going to do whatever it takes to end the threat, period, up to and including using a gun if I have to.

No, I don't want to shoot someone. In fact, I have reasons that still haunt me that make me very prone not to confront others or put myself in that position. But the bottom line is, me and my family's lives are far more important to me than the asshole who decides to get violent with me for no damn reason. Hell, farking steal the stuff out of my house, I don't care, it's all insured. But if you pose a threat to me and mine, and act like you want to hurt us, then fark you, I'm selfish and will value me over you any day of the week.
 
2014-04-30 09:54:46 PM  

abhorrent1: OregonVet: Gosh, I'd pop some corn, but gun grabbers avoid stories such as this like the plague.

zero/ten


ctrl-f
 
2014-04-30 09:54:54 PM  

Oblio13: CruiserTwelve: ... Personal experience tells me that instances of a gun being used in self-defense are far, far fewer than instances where a gun is used criminally.

\Cop for 41+ years

My personal experience tells me that I've used a gun once for self defense and never criminally.

/Decent fellow for 57+ years


Owned guns for 20 years. Family's owned guns for generations. No criminals, several cops, and several cases of self defense by firearm. My Uncle Dana still has a revolver with the evidence number on it from his case.

If we're going to go with anecdotal evidence based on experience, then I'm sure I could drum up at least 50 different law enforcement officers of varying types who all know people who have used firearms in self defense.
 
2014-04-30 10:03:59 PM  

Aello: way south: Aello: way south: Aello: Does anyone else think this woman was an idiot? She risked her life and leaving her children motherless for a purse... Sorry, there is nothing that can be worth a life in that purse.

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Nothing to say about the scumbags who were willing to kill a woman for her purse?

Obviously, they are scum of the earth and there are more than enough people saying that.. But her life wouldn't have BEEN at risk if she had let go. My grandmother went through the same experience (on foot, but she refused to let go of her purse).

Her life wouldn't have been at risk if those chucklefarks didn't try to take her purse.
Its not like she was thinking about how to respond to a purse snatcher at the time it happened. Someone grabbed her bag and she cinched down on it, not knowing what else could be done in that moment of panic.

The thieves damn well thought about how much they wanted that purse. They were ready to roll over her ass for some quick cash. They didn't let go of a property that was not theirs.
This entire situation is of their making, and they are well into the age where they should have known better.

nijika: Aello: Does anyone else think this woman was an idiot? She risked her life and leaving her children motherless for a purse... Sorry, there is nothing that can be worth a life in that purse.

Knowing the brilliance of most crooks she may have still been attached to the purse at the time.

Precisely what  nijika said. The crooks probably DIDN'T think about how much they wanted it. Saw a woman who looked vulnerable and took advantage of the situation.

Dr Jack Badofsky: Aello: Does anyone else think this woman was an idiot? She risked her life and leaving her children motherless for a purse... Sorry, there is nothing that can be worth a life in that purse.

I'd rather see the two crooks dead.  I don't care if it was over the .50 she had in her wallet and a Fun-Size Snickers bar.  if my kids are in t ...


Hmm.  Lemme think.  Me and/or my family dead and this guy lives, or this guy dead and mine live.  Ok.  I'll learn to cope, and pull the trigger a few times.  Same as that lady in GA did who was pInned with her kids in a closet, several dudes coming for her until she let the lead fly.  The baddies knew what could possibly happen and took their chances.  F 'em.
 
2014-04-30 10:20:30 PM  

Glitchwerks: Rent Party: Well, lets do a little thought experiment.  Instead of killing *no one* even though he explicitly tried, how do you think he would have fared if he just stepped out of his car with a Glock 17 and a couple of extra magazines?

If he shoots like he drives, probably nobody.

I guess you never watched Group B, but trust me, cars can be pretty damn lethal.


Hey, who wants to go to a farmers market?!
 
2014-04-30 10:23:19 PM  

Aello: Does anyone else think this woman was an idiot? She risked her life and leaving her children motherless for a purse... Sorry, there is nothing that can be worth a life in that purse.



"Whenever you are offered violence, fight back. The aggressor does not fear the law, so he must be taught to fear you. Whatever the risk, and at whatever the cost, fight back." - Jeff Cooper
 
2014-04-30 10:50:02 PM  

Satanus Maximus: PreMortem: I think if it were anywhere else but Texas, the cops would've shot the good Samaritan. At least charged him with something.

You'd be correct if this happened in North Carolina.


I don't think that you live in the same North Carolina that I do.  Around these very rural parts, he would have gotten a key to the town and a day named after him.  Hell, they might offered some shooting tips and range time for him, too.  Rural LEOs are awesome.  They actually understand the shiat that can happen in the real world.

You must be back East.  Ol' Pat McCrory will come to your help faster than anyone else.  Oh, wait, he hates everyone equally.  I just hope that enough red-voters actually realize how he burned his bridges.  I'm a mostly moderate liberal.  However, I am very strong on the the 2nd amendment, so liberals hate me too.

NC is a Shall-Issue state for CCW, and the rural PDs and Sheriffs all support that.  Response time can easily be 20-25 minutes in the mountains. Perhaps urban LEOs don't agree - but it's state law, so they can suck it.
 
2014-04-30 11:03:32 PM  
I'd have to say that I would have done the same thing 0 out of 100 times if my kids were with me.
Probably 3 out of 100 if they were not.
But since I don't have kids to worry about not having a father, maybe 50 out of 100 times.


The victim could have let go, so really the only thing he prevented was her valuables being stolen. Is that worth the chance of the criminals having their own gun, shooting you, and driving off with your kids in your PT Cruiser? Is it really?
 
2014-04-30 11:09:24 PM  

Yellow Beard: guestguy: Rhino_man: Guns can be good.  Guns can be GREAT, even, but we need a way to figure out who's going to use them to stop a robbery, like the guy in TFA, and who's going to use them to murder children, like the Newtown dickbag.

This.  Responsible gun owners are great...but how do we ensure that the vast majority of those who are allowed to purchase guns will actually be responsible with them?  The loudest voices on the pro-gun side of the debate seem to want to make it easier for people to get guns, apparently arguing that the "gooduns" will sort out the "baduns"...that's myopic and silly, just like screaming "Get rid of all guns now!"  Gun control can and should be improved, and responsible gun owners should be championing it.

You do realize the overwhelmingly vast majority of gun owners are responsible right? Considering there are millions of gun owners and all.


How do you know that exactly?  How many have been through some kind of training?  How many are careful while handling and storing them at all times?  How many dumbass rednecks are out there that like to play with firearms while drunk (I've known more than a few, and I live in the northeast)?  How many are depressed, anxious, psychotic, unbalanced or have volatile tempers?  Just because someone doesn't use one to commit a crime and hasn't had an accident doesn't automatically make them a responsible gun owner.
 
2014-04-30 11:24:00 PM  

Dr Jack Badofsky: Aello: way south: Aello: way south: Aello: Does anyone else think this woman was an idiot? She risked her life and leaving her children motherless for a purse... Sorry, there is nothing that can be worth a life in that purse.

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Nothing to say about the scumbags who were willing to kill a woman for her purse?

Obviously, they are scum of the earth and there are more than enough people saying that.. But her life wouldn't have BEEN at risk if she had let go. My grandmother went through the same experience (on foot, but she refused to let go of her purse).

Her life wouldn't have been at risk if those chucklefarks didn't try to take her purse.
Its not like she was thinking about how to respond to a purse snatcher at the time it happened. Someone grabbed her bag and she cinched down on it, not knowing what else could be done in that moment of panic.

The thieves damn well thought about how much they wanted that purse. They were ready to roll over her ass for some quick cash. They didn't let go of a property that was not theirs.
This entire situation is of their making, and they are well into the age where they should have known better.

nijika: Aello: Does anyone else think this woman was an idiot? She risked her life and leaving her children motherless for a purse... Sorry, there is nothing that can be worth a life in that purse.

Knowing the brilliance of most crooks she may have still been attached to the purse at the time.

Precisely what  nijika said. The crooks probably DIDN'T think about how much they wanted it. Saw a woman who looked vulnerable and took advantage of the situation.

Dr Jack Badofsky: Aello: Does anyone else think this woman was an idiot? She risked her life and leaving her children motherless for a purse... Sorry, there is nothing that can be worth a life in that purse.

I'd rather see the two crooks dead.  I don't care if it was over the .50 she had in her wallet and a Fun-Size Snickers bar.  if my kids a ...


This was NOT a woman caught in a closet with someone coming after her. This was a woman who held on to her purse when her children were in a car and she was being dragged across a parking lot. as I said before, my grandmother was in a similar situation 20 years ago when she was in her 60's. she wasn't afraid of anything BUT her gun being stolen which is why she tried to keep ahold of her purse. She didn't have any young children to be left behind. In fact when my mother and aunts were young, the garage that my grandmother worked/lived at got robbed, grandma handed over the money instead of risking her life. she was more worried about the children than any money they had.
 
2014-04-30 11:27:57 PM  

Kit Fister: guestguy: I think the point is that, in the vast majority of scenarios, guns are far more versatile and effective weapons than cars...wouldn't you agree with that statement?

Depends on the goal. I find guns are limited because they are defeated by armor or obstacles, they only shoot in one direction, they tend to be limited in capacity and heavy to haul around, and can be defeated by anyone who wants to grab the gun and pull itout of my hands.

Cars can kill a broader swath of people, i don't have to haul it around, it can be massively up-powered with the right chemicals and do massive damage (Tim McVeigh anyone?).

So, on a sheer damage standpoint, a gun is great for certain things, but I can improvise a car, truck, jetliner, whatever into a much bigger weapon, and with a little planning, I could easily wait around a truck stop for a truck hauling propane, liquid oxygen or nitrogen, etc., to roll through, jack the truck, and ram it into a crowded building for grins.

A gun is a pretty simple one-trick pony, and based on statistical data, takes a hell of a lot more skill to utilize effectively than just ramming someone with a car.


Oh for fark sake...I'm not saying that every gun is an unstoppable death machine.  I'm saying that it is a weapon, it is designed to be a weapon, designed to kill/harm/damage at range, and in the case of handguns, designed to be easy to conceal.  A car is large, noticeable, and loud as it approaches (if you talk about how quiet hybrids are, I might have a stroke)...yes it can be improvised into a bomb, or could be driven into a crowd of people...someone could also kill a person with a desk lamp.  Performing these contortions to equate guns with tools or vehicles in terms of their effectiveness as weapons is not the slightest bit convincing and comes off as transparent and exceedingly foolish.  Firearms deserve special consideration, plain and simple.  Anyone who tries to argue against that is either willfully ignorant or a fool.  That said, I am nowhere near a proponent of trying to confiscate or outlaw them entirely, so allow me to burn that strawman before someone attempts to hastily assemble it.  I do think there is a great deal of room for improvement when it comes to regulation, and I wholeheartedly believe that responsible gunowners should lead the charge in that area.
 
2014-04-30 11:41:54 PM  
Typical Good Samaritan.
 
2014-04-30 11:58:57 PM  
AELLO

This was NOT a woman caught in a closet with someone coming after her. This was a woman who held on to her purse when her children were in a car and she was being dragged across a parking lot. as I said before, my grandmother was in a similar situation 20 years ago when she was in her 60's. she wasn't afraid of anything BUT her gun being stolen which is why she tried to keep ahold of her purse. She didn't have any young children to be left behind. In fact when my mother and aunts were young, the garage that my grandmother worked/lived at got robbed, grandma handed over the money instead of risking her life. she was more worried about the children than any money they had.

Why exactly does this even matter? Was the man driving with his kids, witnessing an armed robbery in which a woman was being dragged by a vehicle supposed to be able to pay attention to the road and simultaneously be able to tell that she was indeed clutching the purse and therefore putting herself at risk and not have her hand caught up in the strap like another prominent case in the news recently?
You know what that man could tell? A woman was in distress by two douchebags dragging her with a vehicle while trying to rob her.

Since you see his reaction as wrong, I sincerely wish your sensibilities are respected if you ever find yourself in such a situation.
 
2014-05-01 12:03:51 AM  
Clemkadidlefark:

Is this some of that "conservative humor" I have heard about?
 
2014-05-01 12:06:32 AM  

cretinbob: not everyone is an attention whore


While true, part of me cannot help but think it's far more likely the hero is on probation or has a warrant.

If I "saved" someone by pulling my gun, you bet your sweet ass my name is gonna be in any paper I can talk to and on every screen a camera relays to and why not?
 
2014-05-01 12:06:41 AM  

Rhino_man: Oh yeah?  Places like "Gun ownership is mandatory" Kennesaw, GA?  Let's search google news for "Kennessaw, GA."  I'm sure nothing will turn up.


On the of chance that you aren't as stupid as you sound, you do know that the FedEx location is outside the Kennesaw, GA city limits, and therefore was not under the Kennesaw city ;laws?

I mean, you *did* know that, didn't you?
 
2014-05-01 12:14:47 AM  

Empty H: Clemkadidlefark:

Is this some of that "conservative humor" I have heard about?


no
 
2014-05-01 12:15:45 AM  

Terrible Old Man: cretinbob: not everyone is an attention whore

While true, part of me cannot help but think it's far more likely the hero is on probation or has a warrant.

If I "saved" someone by pulling my gun, you bet your sweet ass my name is gonna be in any paper I can talk to and on every screen a camera relays to and why not?


Because not everyone is the attention whore that you are.
 
2014-05-01 12:18:34 AM  

Luse: AELLO

This was NOT a woman caught in a closet with someone coming after her. This was a woman who held on to her purse when her children were in a car and she was being dragged across a parking lot. as I said before, my grandmother was in a similar situation 20 years ago when she was in her 60's. she wasn't afraid of anything BUT her gun being stolen which is why she tried to keep ahold of her purse. She didn't have any young children to be left behind. In fact when my mother and aunts were young, the garage that my grandmother worked/lived at got robbed, grandma handed over the money instead of risking her life. she was more worried about the children than any money they had.

Why exactly does this even matter? Was the man driving with his kids, witnessing an armed robbery in which a woman was being dragged by a vehicle supposed to be able to pay attention to the road and simultaneously be able to tell that she was indeed clutching the purse and therefore putting herself at risk and not have her hand caught up in the strap like another prominent case in the news recently?
You know what that man could tell? A woman was in distress by two douchebags dragging her with a vehicle while trying to rob her.

Since you see his reaction as wrong, I sincerely wish your sensibilities are respected if you ever find yourself in such a situation.



Did you miss the part where I said I was glad the Good Samaritan was there? FFS, I never said HIS reaction was wrong. I basically implied _I_ would have let go of MY purse if someone had tried to grab it instead of being dragged halfway across a parking lot.
 
2014-05-01 12:33:14 AM  

CruiserTwelve: taurusowner: Never ever ever presume that the likelihood of something appearing in a news story is directly correlated to how often that thing happens in life.

\Cop for 5+ years

I don't make that presumption. Personal experience tells me that instances of a gun being used in self-defense are far, far fewer than instances where a gun is used criminally.

\Cop for 41+ years


You just wrote something that makes sense and fits the facts as reported by the DoJ and CDC.
Say something dickish again so I can go back to dismissing everything you write: Make an excuse for a bad cop or call other civilians "civilians" in a dismissive manner, or something.
 
2014-05-01 01:01:00 AM  

Kit Fister: heavily armed


I went to Haircuts Under a Buck once, and stylist roulette paired me with a 400 pounder. She was, I swear, resting one of her hams on top of my head the whole time she was cutting. My friggin' neck was seriously sore for 3 days.
 
2014-05-01 01:16:52 AM  

tbeatty: Rhino_man: tbeatty: PreMortem: I think if it were anywhere else but Texas, the cops would've shot the good Samaritan. At least charged him with something.

Only in places where guns in the hands of good guys scare people.  This happens all the time in places where guns are carried routinely.  This one made the news because it had video.  That was awesome picture of lawful use of force by non-LEO and equally awesome display of what humbleness.  A similar case here, without the good Samaritan, ended in the death of the woman victim as she couldn't let go of the purse before falling and getting run over.  Her friends couldn't do anything about it and her wrist was tangled in the strap.  Glad this guy was here to stop it before it happened again.

Oh yeah?  Places like "Gun ownership is mandatory" Kennesaw, GA?  Let's search google news for "Kennessaw, GA."  I'm sure nothing will turn up.


... oh.  Well surely he was stopped by a good guy with a gun, right?


... Oh.

Hmmm, let's examine your critical thinking skills.  Statement A) "Gun ownership is mandatory" Kennesaw, GA,   Fact B) Gunman kills 6 unarmed people in Kennesaw.   -- See the problem?  Like most gun free zones such as FedEx, Ft. Hood, Sandy Hook, Columbine, etc, etc, is that the good guys obey the rules and keep their means of defense out of the gun free zone.  The bad guys don't.  Result: Bad guys kill.

Here's what happens when "purse snatchers" use their car to help steal a purse and there is no good Samaritan or cop with a gun to stop it: Result: Bad guys kill.   It's a theme.

Student Dead after being dragged by car during snatching.  Caught up in strap.
http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2010/05/college_student_from_nj_dra gg e.html

Now use your google fu skills to see police confronting armed people with guns and see how that turns out.  A lot less Good Guys killed, a lot more bad guys killed and arrested.   It's easy top find deaths of unarmed victims by violent crime, deaths of people confronted by police for a crime of violence, and deaths of police by violent criminals.  Ask yourself why police carry guns when no law requires a gun to enforce it.


Thanks for bringing up Columbine. The school had 2 armed guards who did precisely farkall to prevent the murders.

You're not half as clever as you think you are with that "gun-free zone" talking point. It's idiotic.
 
2014-05-01 01:47:11 AM  
Surpheon:

Columbine had an armed and trained security on site (Jefferson County Sheriff's Deputy Neil Gardner). Or he's just a liar. Fort Hood had plenty of armed and trained MPs on site.

What is a "gun free" zone in your world?


It's funny that you mentioned all the people that carried guns in those places lived.  Even Gardner that traded shots with Columbine shooters used his gun and is alive.  Heck, he didn't even bring his glasses that day and his gun saved his life.  Now, let's talk about the gun-free dead people that did nothing wrong and followed the rules not to bring a gun with them .... anyone really glad that the Sandy Hook teacher didn't have a gun with her when her class was slaughtered?  Think it's coincidence that the shootings stop when other people with guns show up but not before?
 
2014-05-01 02:41:52 AM  

tbeatty: Surpheon:

Columbine had an armed and trained security on site (Jefferson County Sheriff's Deputy Neil Gardner). Or he's just a liar. Fort Hood had plenty of armed and trained MPs on site.

What is a "gun free" zone in your world?

It's funny that you mentioned all the people that carried guns in those places lived.  Even Gardner that traded shots with Columbine shooters used his gun and is alive.  Heck, he didn't even bring his glasses that day and his gun saved his life.  Now, let's talk about the gun-free dead people that did nothing wrong and followed the rules not to bring a gun with them .... anyone really glad that the Sandy Hook teacher didn't have a gun with her when her class was slaughtered?  Think it's coincidence that the shootings stop when other people with guns show up but not before?


Does that mean that you're happy that Adam Lanza had ready access to firearms and his mother ensured he had the training to effectively murder children?

Seems to me that the people who want to keep firearms our of the hands of criminals and the mentally ill are the ones taking a proactive position that attempts prevent shooting massacres in the first place.
You, on the other hand, are taking a reactive stance that increases the probability of more bullets flying into innocent bodies.

Given these two admittedly simple-minded alternatives, I'll take A with a side of mandatory registration and inspection, mental and physical health screening, safe storage requirements, proficiency training, and regular qualification for everybody. (But then, again, I like the idea of having a real United States Militia subject to civilian control again. Your opinion may differ.)
 
2014-05-01 02:58:01 AM  
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2014-05-01 05:39:08 AM  
demaL-demaL-yeH:

Does that mean that you're happy that Adam Lanza had ready access to firearms and his mother ensured he had the training to effectively murder children?

Seems to me that the people who want to keep firearms our of the hands of criminals and the mentally ill are the ones taking a proactive position that attempts prevent shooting massacres in the first place.
You, on the other hand, are taking a reactive stance that increases the probability of more bullets flying into innocent bodies.

Given these two admittedly simple-minded alternatives, I'll take A with a side of mandatory registration and inspection, mental and physical health screening, safe storage requirements, proficiency training, and regular qualification for everybody. (But then, again, I like the idea of having a real United States Militia subject to civilian control again. Your opinion may differ.)


I'd be happy with just creating a list of anyone who sought psychiatric services and make them go through the checks.  Seems to me all the mass shootings recently are by people that had sought and received psychiatric care.  Enter them into the DB.  Criminals are already prohibited.

I am taking the stance that has stopped the shootings.  There is no training required to kill children, just mental illness.  Lanza killed his mom with a .22LR (not on any registration/ban list and stole the guns when she was dead - he was was also denied a purchase at a gun store and guess what didn't stop the shooting?  Laws!).  One teacher with a gun and those kids are alive.  Your "solution" is TSA.  Congratulations.
 
2014-05-01 05:52:51 AM  
Aello:


Did you miss the part where I said I was glad the Good Samaritan was there? FFS, I never said HIS reaction was wrong. I basically implied _I_ would have let go of MY purse if someone had tried to grab it instead of being dragged halfway across a parking lot.

You mean like this woman?
http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2010/05/college_student_from_nj_dra gg e.html

She tried to let go.  Except when they grabbed it and it twisted around her arm, it didn't let go of her.  Unfortunately, there was no good Samaritan with a gun.  She's dead now.  "Purse snatcher" is in prison because really it's felony assault with a car if they don't kill you and murder if they do.  Glad you have a plan to to let go, though.  Maybe that will work out for you.
 
2014-05-01 06:10:55 AM  

Terrible Old Man: cretinbob: not everyone is an attention whore

While true, part of me cannot help but think it's far more likely the hero is on probation or has a warrant.

If I "saved" someone by pulling my gun, you bet your sweet ass my name is gonna be in any paper I can talk to and on every screen a camera relays to and why not?


Because the friends of the guy on the ground might like to take revenge.

And, no, the good Samaritan isn't on probation or have a warrant.  He was run through at the scene, his gun's serial number was run and there was nothing wrong.  Just because the police are smarter than you and didn't plaster his name (or the victim's)  all over the press doesn't mean, they didn't check.  Not sure why would think the good Samaritan was on probation or had a warrant.
 
2014-05-01 07:53:03 AM  
Whoops, looks like  hurt another alt's fee-fees.
 
2014-05-01 09:59:34 AM  

Aello: thelordofcheese: Aello: Does anyone else think this woman was an idiot? She risked her life and leaving her children motherless for a purse... Sorry, there is nothing that can be worth a life in that purse.

But it was Coach!

So, how long until Feminist demonize this guy?

What happened to women being strong, independent and proud! Fierce eyebrows!!!


Don't get me wrong, I'm glad this guy was there and that things worked out in the end. As far as feminism, there is such a thing as taking it too far. Hell, I know there are things I can do just as well as a man, but there are a HELL of a lot of things men can do better. Just like there are things women can do better than men.


There are a lot of people who haven't figured that out yet. Some of them will in time, but it takes so damn long and we have to go through it over and over. Just like every new generation thinks they invented sex, eventually they figure out how they got there.
 
2014-05-01 10:07:53 AM  

Rhino_man: tbeatty: PreMortem: I think if it were anywhere else but Texas, the cops would've shot the good Samaritan. At least charged him with something.

Only in places where guns in the hands of good guys scare people.  This happens all the time in places where guns are carried routinely.  This one made the news because it had video.  That was awesome picture of lawful use of force by non-LEO and equally awesome display of what humbleness.  A similar case here, without the good Samaritan, ended in the death of the woman victim as she couldn't let go of the purse before falling and getting run over.  Her friends couldn't do anything about it and her wrist was tangled in the strap.  Glad this guy was here to stop it before it happened again.

Oh yeah?  Places like "Gun ownership is mandatory" Kennesaw, GA?  Let's search google news for "Kennessaw, GA."  I'm sure nothing will turn up.

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... oh.  Well surely he was stopped by a good guy with a gun, right?

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... Oh.


A gun is a lot like an umbrella, it doesn't matter how many you own if you don't have one with you when you need it.
 
2014-05-01 10:42:00 AM  
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let go of my purse !
 
2014-05-01 10:46:42 AM  

tbeatty: anyone really glad that the Sandy Hook teacher didn't have a gun with her when her class was slaughtered?


Listen to yourself. You actually think it's reasonable that a kindergarten teacher should be expected to carry a gun to protect her students.
 
2014-05-01 01:05:40 PM  

CruiserTwelve: tbeatty: anyone really glad that the Sandy Hook teacher didn't have a gun with her when her class was slaughtered?

Listen to yourself. You actually think it's reasonable that a kindergarten teacher should be expected to carry a gun to protect her students.


Expected?  Nope.  Prevented?  Nope.
 
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