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(Voice of America)   Ukrainian Army on "full combat alert", also "full surrender alert", "full stomach alert", and "full of shiat alert"   (voanews.com) divider line 25
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2014-04-30 12:48:37 PM
2 votes:
It must suck to be a Russian orphaned by their own country after the breakup of the USSR.  All the russians in the Ukraine were moved there by the USSR to get public support and prevent uprisings.

Russia should repatriate all the ethnic Russians from former countries that were part of the USSR and this crap would go away.
2014-04-30 11:23:13 AM
2 votes:
Seems to me that Russia is brazenly gambling that we in the west won't do anything to stop them.

I'm surprised that anyone thinks this is all anti-Russia propaganda.

Ukraine is in a bit of a lose-lose scenario. They don't have the ability to stop Russia except with force, at which point Russia says "Hah! You used force, now we can too!" at which point it invades. They just want an excuse.
2014-04-30 03:56:42 PM
1 votes:

Dalrint: What you're more likely to see is mass deportations, rather than killing people. No first or second world power (IE Eastern Europe) wants the bad publicity of killing off a ton of people in their borders when they can just kick them out instead.


It's tricky when no one will take them. Sort of like Jordan refusing to take the Palestinians back.
2014-04-30 03:55:25 PM
1 votes:
I've been to Ukraine. If I were an ethnic Russian living in eastern Ukraine, I'd probably be on the fence about this whole deal. As bad as Putin is, at least Russia seems a bit more competently run than Ukraine, which is pretty much controlled by the mob since the government is a back-and-forth gridlock war between neoliberals and old-time Bolshies. And there's no chance of being discriminated against for being an ethnic Russian in Russia, which is a real danger if some of the Ukrainian nationalists get more power.

/Not saying what Russia's doing is right, and not saying the West shouldn't strongly oppose them. But Ukraine is jacked up even without Russia screwing with it.
2014-04-30 03:35:41 PM
1 votes:
We need to protect the other Mila Kunis type Ukrainians from the evil Russians.
2014-04-30 03:14:33 PM
1 votes:

Contrabulous Flabtraption: Can we just get to the nukes and be done with it? I want to try my hand at post-apocalyptic survival.

/I'll be dead in days


We?

I'm sorry, is USA welcome to meddle in the business of Europe?
2014-04-30 02:17:02 PM
1 votes:

dwrash: It must suck to be a Russian orphaned by their own country after the breakup of the USSR.


It will suck even more after the next Russia pullback, because then the countries they get left behind in will just ethnically cleanse them, now that they've seen the consequences of not ethnically cleansing them.
2014-04-30 02:12:11 PM
1 votes:

jaytkay: MyRandomName: hardinparamedic: Submitter, do you enjoy sucking Putin's cock?

dwrash: Russia should repatriate all the ethnic Russians from former countries that were part of the USSR and this crap would go away.

It's almost as if that might be an excuse, and not the actual reason for Russia doing what they are.

Yay. This ignorant response. Pointing out failed policies does not make one a Putin cocksucker. Pretending it does just proves your own ignorance.

What were Ukraine's failed policies?

Making Putin leader of Russia?


I feel like i am dealing with a bunch of block heads today.

The only reason there are so many ethnic Russians in Ukraine is the politburo of the old USSR forced settled them there to prevent uprisings and to have better Russian support.  When the USSR dissolved they were stranded in hostile territory (do you actually think the Ukrainians wanted them there in the first place?)

Russia should invite them to move back to Russia instead of using them as an excuse to annex Crimea and probably more of the Ukraine in the near future.
2014-04-30 01:57:49 PM
1 votes:

MyRandomName: hardinparamedic: Submitter, do you enjoy sucking Putin's cock?

dwrash: Russia should repatriate all the ethnic Russians from former countries that were part of the USSR and this crap would go away.

It's almost as if that might be an excuse, and not the actual reason for Russia doing what they are.

Yay. This ignorant response. Pointing out failed policies does not make one a Putin cocksucker. Pretending it does just proves your own ignorance.


What were Ukraine's failed policies?

Making Putin leader of Russia?
2014-04-30 01:51:32 PM
1 votes:

netcentric: Daedalus27:
"You do realize if Ukraine had ....
What is really needed and would hurt Russia is strong EU sanctions...."


You may be interested in world affairs, but 99% of farkers are just about snark.   They could care less if people in Ukraine are oppressed, depressed or repressed.

Second, as you said.... the EU is going to do next to nothing via sanctions.   Yet THEY are the key to pressuring Russia.    The US is not.   We divested a loooong time ago.

Good luck Ukraine, but NATO is not coming.  The EU and US are not really serious about helping.

Russia has all the control.      It's up to them.


I agree that too many individuals have little interest in foreign affairs. The EU is the key on pressuring Russia as they do significantly more business and trade, but that fact makes them reluctant to act.  Who can blame them given it would be the equivalent of a trade disruption between the US and China or say the US and Mexico/Canada which would cause massive economic damage.

We do have one tool that can inflict some significant damage.  Cut Russia off from the banking system (like we have done with Iran) by imposing sanctions across the board on the financial system. We can do it with US banks and the European banks generally will follow suit as they don't want to create issues with US regulators and banks that they have a lot of business with. Oil is still primarily a dollar business and if they can't clear their sales, Russia will be in a world of hurt.  However this is the sanctions equivalent of a nuclear weapon and after it is used, we have nothing left and could actually trigger Russia to move in as at that point they have little to lose as the damage has been done. I just don't see the US using this unless there is no choice and instead the US will continue to pick on individual Russian politicains and oligarchs (who are the same in many cases).
2014-04-30 01:42:07 PM
1 votes:
Daedalus27:
"You do realize if Ukraine had ....
What is really needed and would hurt Russia is strong EU sanctions...."



You may be interested in world affairs, but 99% of farkers are just about snark.   They could care less if people in Ukraine are oppressed, depressed or repressed.

Second, as you said.... the EU is going to do next to nothing via sanctions.   Yet THEY are the key to pressuring Russia.    The US is not.   We divested a loooong time ago.

Good luck Ukraine, but NATO is not coming.  The EU and US are not really serious about helping.

Russia has all the control.      It's up to them.
2014-04-30 01:23:48 PM
1 votes:

somedude210: Carousel Beast: I sincerely hope you're right about economic pressure working, but I'm very pessimistic about it.

Unless Putin doesn't want friends. The sanctions don't affect him directly, but they really fark over his rich and powerful friend within the government who no longer can access their bank accounts and whatever wealth is in a bank somewhere. If the sanctions keep this up, I wouldn't be surprised if someone takes a shot at Putin.


In the first round less than half of those targeted had international accounts. They still will access their wealth in Russia. I dont know why you think we have power over the Russian banking system.
2014-04-30 01:21:35 PM
1 votes:

JesusJuice: The Maidan protesters were some tough farkers, I'm sure they could impose a high cost for Russian aggression.


You take my life, but I'll take yours, too,
you fire musket but I'll run you through...
2014-04-30 01:20:52 PM
1 votes:
Seems like the best thing Western Ukraine can do is to bomb the media towers feeding all the crap to the East.
2014-04-30 01:18:30 PM
1 votes:

lindalouwho: A lot of us have been saying this from the beginning. History is full of examples, big and small, of what happens when land-grabbers aren't stopped after the first move.


The first move was violent Western backed protest and overthrow of a corrupt but elected government that was friendly to their biggest neighbor who supplied all their energy and fuel for discount prices.
2014-04-30 01:18:09 PM
1 votes:
Also, I think it's time to send some Finns to the Ukranian border, see if the Russians remember.

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2014-04-30 01:16:55 PM
1 votes:

Plant Rights Activist: kinda hard to convince the international community to fight for you when your own military just lets the russians walk right in.  you have one job....


You do realize if Ukraine had moved in strong, that would be playing into Russia's hands as well by showing the heavy government oppression justifying Russian troops moving in to protect minorities.  The US/EU/UN has been counseling Ukraine to tread carefully and try to clear this insurgency with the upmost care.  Ultimately it may not matter, but you don't want to provoke a reaction that you cannot defend against.

What is really needed and would hurt Russia is strong EU sanctions.  Naturally the EU is reluctant to harm their own economies to punish Russia especially given how fragile many are. You don't want the gradually recovering economies to be shocked back into recession but really they are in the best position to harm Russia due to the balance of trade.  The US still has the hammer of hitting their financial system but they are saving that to try and dissuade Russia from acting and instead targeting individuals and countries but if it is used, that could force Putin to act quickly.
2014-04-30 01:11:38 PM
1 votes:

ZzeusS: Stupid assholes should have asked for NATO help six months ago.

You let P do whatever he wanted without repercussion, so reap what you sow.


Six months ago a pro-Russian puppet was in charge.

But I guess you don't follow the news.
2014-04-30 01:01:50 PM
1 votes:
Seems to me Ukraine's best hope is terrorism. They don't have the resources to fight the Russian military, but they could certainly hurt their civil society. The Maidan protesters were some tough farkers, I'm sure they could impose a high cost for Russian aggression.
2014-04-30 12:54:46 PM
1 votes:

kbronsito: So they are about to lose control... but do they think they like it?


We should know soon - they're so excited, they just can't hide it.
2014-04-30 12:46:46 PM
1 votes:

Carousel Beast: I sincerely hope you're right about economic pressure working, but I'm very pessimistic about it.


Unless Putin doesn't want friends. The sanctions don't affect him directly, but they really fark over his rich and powerful friend within the government who no longer can access their bank accounts and whatever wealth is in a bank somewhere. If the sanctions keep this up, I wouldn't be surprised if someone takes a shot at Putin.
2014-04-30 12:42:39 PM
1 votes:

Slaxl: Seems to me that Russia is brazenly gambling that we in the west won't do anything to stop them.

I'm surprised that anyone thinks this is all anti-Russia propaganda.

Ukraine is in a bit of a lose-lose scenario. They don't have the ability to stop Russia except with force, at which point Russia says "Hah! You used force, now we can too!" at which point it invades. They just want an excuse.


It's Poland that Russia has to worry about. They're ready to go if Russia invades.

We probably won't get involved militarily unless they invade a NATO nation
2014-04-30 12:42:33 PM
1 votes:
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2014-04-30 12:17:05 PM
1 votes:

SmackLT: We're hammering Russia with targeted sanctions, but the longer they're able to hold out, the dicier this becomes.


I give them a month before the economy gets so bad for Russia that they have to do something drastic (either invade or pull out)
2014-04-30 11:58:19 AM
1 votes:

Slaxl: Seems to me that Russia is brazenly gambling that we in the west won't do anything to stop them.

I'm surprised that anyone thinks this is all anti-Russia propaganda.

Ukraine is in a bit of a lose-lose scenario. They don't have the ability to stop Russia except with force, at which point Russia says "Hah! You used force, now we can too!" at which point it invades. They just want an excuse.


I'm sort of thinking the same thing at this point. And I gotta admit, it bothers me that they seem to have a specific plan in play. We're hammering Russia with targeted sanctions, but the longer they're able to hold out, the dicier this becomes.
 
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