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(Voice of America)   Ukrainian Army on "full combat alert", also "full surrender alert", "full stomach alert", and "full of shiat alert"   (voanews.com) divider line 101
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2014-04-30 11:23:13 AM
Seems to me that Russia is brazenly gambling that we in the west won't do anything to stop them.

I'm surprised that anyone thinks this is all anti-Russia propaganda.

Ukraine is in a bit of a lose-lose scenario. They don't have the ability to stop Russia except with force, at which point Russia says "Hah! You used force, now we can too!" at which point it invades. They just want an excuse.
 
2014-04-30 11:58:19 AM

Slaxl: Seems to me that Russia is brazenly gambling that we in the west won't do anything to stop them.

I'm surprised that anyone thinks this is all anti-Russia propaganda.

Ukraine is in a bit of a lose-lose scenario. They don't have the ability to stop Russia except with force, at which point Russia says "Hah! You used force, now we can too!" at which point it invades. They just want an excuse.


I'm sort of thinking the same thing at this point. And I gotta admit, it bothers me that they seem to have a specific plan in play. We're hammering Russia with targeted sanctions, but the longer they're able to hold out, the dicier this becomes.
 
2014-04-30 12:17:05 PM

SmackLT: We're hammering Russia with targeted sanctions, but the longer they're able to hold out, the dicier this becomes.


I give them a month before the economy gets so bad for Russia that they have to do something drastic (either invade or pull out)
 
2014-04-30 12:38:20 PM

SmackLT: I'm sort of thinking the same thing at this point. And I gotta admit, it bothers me that they seem to have a specific plan in play. We're hammering Russia with targeted sanctions, but the longer they're able to hold out, the dicier this becomes.


When some of the higher ups have to start withdrawing their kids from European colleges because they can't pay tuition due to sanctions we'll see some movement.
 
2014-04-30 12:41:38 PM

SmackLT: Slaxl: Seems to me that Russia is brazenly gambling that we in the west won't do anything to stop them.

I'm surprised that anyone thinks this is all anti-Russia propaganda.

Ukraine is in a bit of a lose-lose scenario. They don't have the ability to stop Russia except with force, at which point Russia says "Hah! You used force, now we can too!" at which point it invades. They just want an excuse.

I'm sort of thinking the same thing at this point. And I gotta admit, it bothers me that they seem to have a specific plan in play. We're hammering Russia with targeted sanctions, but the longer they're able to hold out, the dicier this becomes.


A lot of us have been saying this from the beginning. History is full of examples, big and small, of what happens when land-grabbers aren't stopped after the first move.
 
2014-04-30 12:42:33 PM
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2014-04-30 12:42:37 PM

somedude210: SmackLT: We're hammering Russia with targeted sanctions, but the longer they're able to hold out, the dicier this becomes.

I give them a month before the economy gets so bad for Russia that they have to do something drastic (either invade or pull out)


I sincerely hope you're right about economic pressure working, but I'm very pessimistic about it.
 
2014-04-30 12:42:39 PM

Slaxl: Seems to me that Russia is brazenly gambling that we in the west won't do anything to stop them.

I'm surprised that anyone thinks this is all anti-Russia propaganda.

Ukraine is in a bit of a lose-lose scenario. They don't have the ability to stop Russia except with force, at which point Russia says "Hah! You used force, now we can too!" at which point it invades. They just want an excuse.


It's Poland that Russia has to worry about. They're ready to go if Russia invades.

We probably won't get involved militarily unless they invade a NATO nation
 
2014-04-30 12:44:35 PM
Full stomach and full of shiat seem like related alerts.
 
2014-04-30 12:46:46 PM

Carousel Beast: I sincerely hope you're right about economic pressure working, but I'm very pessimistic about it.


Unless Putin doesn't want friends. The sanctions don't affect him directly, but they really fark over his rich and powerful friend within the government who no longer can access their bank accounts and whatever wealth is in a bank somewhere. If the sanctions keep this up, I wouldn't be surprised if someone takes a shot at Putin.
 
2014-04-30 12:46:47 PM

Satanic_Hamster: SmackLT: I'm sort of thinking the same thing at this point. And I gotta admit, it bothers me that they seem to have a specific plan in play. We're hammering Russia with targeted sanctions, but the longer they're able to hold out, the dicier this becomes.

When some of the higher ups have to start withdrawing their kids from European colleges because they can't pay tuition due to sanctions we'll see some movement.


No we won't - Putin will annex those countries as well...
 
2014-04-30 12:48:14 PM
Can we just get to the nukes and be done with it? I want to try my hand at post-apocalyptic survival.

/I'll be dead in days
 
2014-04-30 12:48:37 PM
It must suck to be a Russian orphaned by their own country after the breakup of the USSR.  All the russians in the Ukraine were moved there by the USSR to get public support and prevent uprisings.

Russia should repatriate all the ethnic Russians from former countries that were part of the USSR and this crap would go away.
 
2014-04-30 12:48:39 PM

Klivian: Slaxl: Seems to me that Russia is brazenly gambling that we in the west won't do anything to stop them.

I'm surprised that anyone thinks this is all anti-Russia propaganda.

Ukraine is in a bit of a lose-lose scenario. They don't have the ability to stop Russia except with force, at which point Russia says "Hah! You used force, now we can too!" at which point it invades. They just want an excuse.

It's Poland that Russia has to worry about. They're ready to go if Russia invades.

We probably won't get involved militarily unless they invade a NATO nation


We might get involved if they invade the Ukraine.

We will certainly get involved if they invade a NATO country.

And if that happens...it could get very bad. I don't put use nuclear weapons outside the realm of possibility. Russia still has the "Dead Hand" fail-deadly nuclear launch system; if they activate it, I'm worried that 50 year old machines could wang up and launch even in the absence of an actual nuclear attack.
 
2014-04-30 12:51:04 PM
Submitter, do you enjoy sucking Putin's cock?

dwrash: Russia should repatriate all the ethnic Russians from former countries that were part of the USSR and this crap would go away.


It's almost as if that might be an excuse, and not the actual reason for Russia doing what they are.
 
2014-04-30 12:52:09 PM
So they are about to lose control... but do they think they like it?
 
2014-04-30 12:52:09 PM

Ned Stark: Full stomach and full of shiat seem like related alerts.


Brought on by full surrender to a big meal.
 
2014-04-30 12:52:33 PM

somedude210: Carousel Beast: I sincerely hope you're right about economic pressure working, but I'm very pessimistic about it.

Unless Putin doesn't want friends. The sanctions don't affect him directly, but they really fark over his rich and powerful friend within the government who no longer can access their bank accounts and whatever wealth is in a bank somewhere. If the sanctions keep this up, I wouldn't be surprised if someone takes a shot at Putin.


Hope so, but Russians have proven in the past they're perfectly willing to accept miserable conditions if they think they'll benefit more on the far side of it.
 
2014-04-30 12:52:38 PM
Stupid assholes should have asked for NATO help six months ago.

You let P do whatever he wanted without repercussion, so reap what you sow.
 
2014-04-30 12:52:49 PM

Slaxl: Ukraine is in a bit of a lose-lose scenario.


Are you saying it's a sitting duck, a road apple, that it's weak, it's feeble?
 
2014-04-30 12:54:46 PM

kbronsito: So they are about to lose control... but do they think they like it?


We should know soon - they're so excited, they just can't hide it.
 
2014-04-30 12:56:24 PM

ZzeusS: Stupid assholes should have asked for NATO help six months ago.

You let P do whatever he wanted without repercussion, so reap what you sow.


Um, they did.

We sent some supplies :-\
 
2014-04-30 12:56:31 PM

ZzeusS: Stupid assholes should have asked for NATO help six months ago.

You let P do whatever he wanted without repercussion, so reap what you sow.


i.imgur.com
 
2014-04-30 12:57:33 PM
kinda hard to convince the international community to fight for you when your own military just lets the russians walk right in.  you have one job....
 
2014-04-30 01:01:50 PM
Seems to me Ukraine's best hope is terrorism. They don't have the resources to fight the Russian military, but they could certainly hurt their civil society. The Maidan protesters were some tough farkers, I'm sure they could impose a high cost for Russian aggression.
 
2014-04-30 01:05:31 PM

JesusJuice: Seems to me Ukraine's best hope is terrorism. They don't have the resources to fight the Russian military, but they could certainly hurt their civil society. The Maidan protesters were some tough farkers, I'm sure they could impose a high cost for Russian aggression.


Exactly. They went nuts on their own government, they would be happy to treat the Russians much worse.
 
2014-04-30 01:08:51 PM

hardinparamedic: ZzeusS: Stupid assholes should have asked for NATO help six months ago.

You let P do whatever he wanted without repercussion, so reap what you sow.

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WTFAQ?

What is this half-enlgish gibberish awesomeness mine eyes have just glimpsed?
 
2014-04-30 01:11:38 PM

ZzeusS: Stupid assholes should have asked for NATO help six months ago.

You let P do whatever he wanted without repercussion, so reap what you sow.


Six months ago a pro-Russian puppet was in charge.

But I guess you don't follow the news.
 
2014-04-30 01:11:41 PM

Pubby: WTFAQ?

What is this half-enlgish gibberish awesomeness mine eyes have just glimpsed?


Polandball!

i0.kym-cdn.com
 
2014-04-30 01:11:52 PM

JesusJuice: Seems to me Ukraine's best hope is terrorism. They don't have the resources to fight the Russian military, but they could certainly hurt their civil society. The Maidan protesters were some tough farkers, I'm sure they could impose a high cost for Russian aggression.


You're screwing up the dialog already, dude.  These people wouldn't be terrorists, they'd be "freedom fighters" or something like that.
 
2014-04-30 01:12:24 PM

jaytkay: JesusJuice: Seems to me Ukraine's best hope is terrorism. They don't have the resources to fight the Russian military, but they could certainly hurt their civil society. The Maidan protesters were some tough farkers, I'm sure they could impose a high cost for Russian aggression.

Exactly. They went nuts on their own government, they would be happy to treat the Russians much worse.


Ask the Hungarians and the Poles how that worked out for them...
 
2014-04-30 01:14:05 PM
...so they're preparing for another retreat?  Or are they going to channel Picard from First Contact:

We've made too many compromises already, too many retreats. They invade our space, and we fall back. They assimilate entire worlds, and we fall back. Not again. The line must be drawn here! This far, no further! And I will make them pay for what they've done!

It's been a while since we've had a good old fashioned European war.  Could be fun!
 
2014-04-30 01:15:52 PM

Klivian: Slaxl: Seems to me that Russia is brazenly gambling that we in the west won't do anything to stop them.

I'm surprised that anyone thinks this is all anti-Russia propaganda.

Ukraine is in a bit of a lose-lose scenario. They don't have the ability to stop Russia except with force, at which point Russia says "Hah! You used force, now we can too!" at which point it invades. They just want an excuse.

It's Poland that Russia has to worry about. They're ready to go if Russia invades.

We probably won't get involved militarily unless they invade a NATO nation


I agree with you but I wonder why OUR involvement seems to always be the top consideration. Where is the military support from European countries? It's their backyard.

From the article: "However, the European Union said it was ready to provide economic aid to Ukraine along with the IMF.

/send panzers Germany
//send the Legion -France
 
2014-04-30 01:15:53 PM

JesusJuice: Seems to me Ukraine's best hope is terrorism. They don't have the resources to fight the Russian military, but they could certainly hurt their civil society. The Maidan protesters were some tough farkers, I'm sure they could impose a high cost for Russian aggression.


Yeah and that was just a protest imagine those guys actually going guerrilla along with the Ukrainian army.  Think Russians in Afghanistan, except the 'Afghans' this time around have modern weapons and technology and are a whole lot more motivated.
 
2014-04-30 01:15:58 PM

lindalouwho: kbronsito: So they are about to lose control... but do they think they like it?

We should know soon - they're so excited, they just can't hide it.


They should just hold on loosely, but don't let go. That's what happens if you cling too tightly.
 
2014-04-30 01:16:28 PM
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2014-04-30 01:16:55 PM

Plant Rights Activist: kinda hard to convince the international community to fight for you when your own military just lets the russians walk right in.  you have one job....


You do realize if Ukraine had moved in strong, that would be playing into Russia's hands as well by showing the heavy government oppression justifying Russian troops moving in to protect minorities.  The US/EU/UN has been counseling Ukraine to tread carefully and try to clear this insurgency with the upmost care.  Ultimately it may not matter, but you don't want to provoke a reaction that you cannot defend against.

What is really needed and would hurt Russia is strong EU sanctions.  Naturally the EU is reluctant to harm their own economies to punish Russia especially given how fragile many are. You don't want the gradually recovering economies to be shocked back into recession but really they are in the best position to harm Russia due to the balance of trade.  The US still has the hammer of hitting their financial system but they are saving that to try and dissuade Russia from acting and instead targeting individuals and countries but if it is used, that could force Putin to act quickly.
 
2014-04-30 01:18:09 PM
Also, I think it's time to send some Finns to the Ukranian border, see if the Russians remember.

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2014-04-30 01:18:30 PM

lindalouwho: A lot of us have been saying this from the beginning. History is full of examples, big and small, of what happens when land-grabbers aren't stopped after the first move.


The first move was violent Western backed protest and overthrow of a corrupt but elected government that was friendly to their biggest neighbor who supplied all their energy and fuel for discount prices.
 
2014-04-30 01:19:14 PM

Daedalus27: You do realize if Ukraine had moved in strong, that would be playing into Russia's hands as well by showing the heavy government oppression justifying Russian troops moving in to protect minorities. The US/EU/UN has been counseling Ukraine to tread carefully and try to clear this insurgency with the upmost care. Ultimately it may not matter, but you don't want to provoke a reaction that you cannot defend against.


Maybe the Ukrainian soldiers could just take the insignia off their uniforms and go in as "pro-Ukrainian protesters".  Symmetry?
 
2014-04-30 01:20:37 PM

Slaxl: Seems to me that Russia is brazenly gambling that we in the west won't do anything to stop them.

I'm surprised that anyone thinks this is all anti-Russia propaganda.

Ukraine is in a bit of a lose-lose scenario. They don't have the ability to stop Russia except with force, at which point Russia says "Hah! You used force, now we can too!" at which point it invades. They just want an excuse.


Is it gambling if you know they won't do anything except mild sanctions?
 
2014-04-30 01:20:52 PM
Seems like the best thing Western Ukraine can do is to bomb the media towers feeding all the crap to the East.
 
2014-04-30 01:21:35 PM

JesusJuice: The Maidan protesters were some tough farkers, I'm sure they could impose a high cost for Russian aggression.


You take my life, but I'll take yours, too,
you fire musket but I'll run you through...
 
2014-04-30 01:22:28 PM

Carousel Beast: somedude210: SmackLT: We're hammering Russia with targeted sanctions, but the longer they're able to hold out, the dicier this becomes.

I give them a month before the economy gets so bad for Russia that they have to do something drastic (either invade or pull out)

I sincerely hope you're right about economic pressure working, but I'm very pessimistic about it.


He isn't right. Obama refuses to target the energy sector of Russia and likewise the EU won't join in. That is the main driver of their economy. Hell, Obama even hand waived the fact we were still buying rockets from Russia and had no plans to stop.
 
2014-04-30 01:23:17 PM

flynn80: lindalouwho: A lot of us have been saying this from the beginning. History is full of examples, big and small, of what happens when land-grabbers aren't stopped after the first move.

The first move was violent Western backed protest and overthrow of a corrupt but elected government that was friendly to their biggest neighbor who supplied all their energy and fuel for discount prices.


To be fair there wasn't much actual support from the west and the violence was at most mutual between protesters and government if not primarily escalated by the government until Yanukovich fled . This is in contrast to Russian actual material support and troops infiltrating and facilitating the take over of segments of Ukraine.
 
2014-04-30 01:23:48 PM

somedude210: Carousel Beast: I sincerely hope you're right about economic pressure working, but I'm very pessimistic about it.

Unless Putin doesn't want friends. The sanctions don't affect him directly, but they really fark over his rich and powerful friend within the government who no longer can access their bank accounts and whatever wealth is in a bank somewhere. If the sanctions keep this up, I wouldn't be surprised if someone takes a shot at Putin.


In the first round less than half of those targeted had international accounts. They still will access their wealth in Russia. I dont know why you think we have power over the Russian banking system.
 
2014-04-30 01:25:34 PM

hardinparamedic: Submitter, do you enjoy sucking Putin's cock?

dwrash: Russia should repatriate all the ethnic Russians from former countries that were part of the USSR and this crap would go away.

It's almost as if that might be an excuse, and not the actual reason for Russia doing what they are.


Yay. This ignorant response. Pointing out failed policies does not make one a Putin cocksucker. Pretending it does just proves your own ignorance.
 
2014-04-30 01:25:44 PM

lindalouwho: kbronsito: So they are about to lose control... but do they think they like it?

We should know soon - they're so excited, they just can't hide it.


I bet Putin has made them so excited that they are scared.

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2014-04-30 01:26:24 PM
Pubby:
Ask the Hungarians and the Poles how that worked out for them...

Whole different ball of wax than way back when in '56 or '68 (in Prague, CZ); as we have seen civil war in Yugoslavia when she broke up... lots of repressed aggression and score settling to be had if the Russian Army/ pro-russian sympathizers get into the wrong neighborhoods/ countryside/ countries... You read any news about how West-Ukrainians are welcoming their russian armed friends with open arms? right, you're not... and now that Poland, the Lat/Lith/Est are part of NATO ( and has Iraq and A-stan trained army vets). It would be guerilla war blood bath for the poorly trained/ motivated Russian conscripts... ( time to go back and read a few years of how bad the russian army is/ funded/ trained/ conscripts not showing up for their draft induction day)... go ahead Puttie, take on some seriously motivated countries who don't have the mixed up demographics that eastern Ukraine does...
 
2014-04-30 01:27:16 PM
Maybe it's the conspiracy theorist in me, but all I see is stagecraft.  Wars need the support of the people to drive enlistment and funding, and it's a much bigger challenge to get the public riled up in the information age, and 'they' just keep making attempt after attempt to find an issue that people respond to.

2 springs ago US started rattling the war sabers about Iran being the nuclear boogeyman, and the public collectively said 'meh'.
Last spring US started rattling the war sabers about North Korea being the nuclear boogeyman, and the public collectively said 'meh'.

So after 2 failed attempts at stirring up war-fever, now this spring Russia has conveniently and inexplicably started causing trouble and escalating things.  Feels like the US gov finally found the dance partner it's been looking for, and whether it becomes something, or fizzles, rests solely on the interest level of the American public.

Ironically, it seems like the best thing the American public can do to maintain peace in the world, is keep watching sitcoms and playing Xbox.  We need you more than ever folks, keep your heads low, and your apathy high.
 
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