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(Huffington Post)   Anti-overdose drug bill passes after Paul LePage realizes a veto will probably cause an overdose of anger in his state and no way to deal with it   (huffingtonpost.com) divider line 58
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2014-04-30 10:34:01 AM  
Seems like a good step toward harm reduction.
 
2014-04-30 11:44:11 AM  
He's probably learned he has a relative who's an addict.
 
2014-04-30 11:49:42 AM  

Diogenes: He's probably learned he has a relative who's an addict.


To rif on an old joke: "LePage is not a drug addict, but his dealer sure is."
 
2014-04-30 12:04:01 PM  
Has he announced whether or not he's running again?  I'd like to see him run again just to see him lose.
 
2014-04-30 01:36:59 PM  
"It's an escape. It's an excuse to stay addicted," LePage said of naloxone in March.

The heroin IS the escape. Death IS the escape. Naxalone should be administered, then the addict should be locked up in a mental institution until they are over their addiction. Give them counseling. Give them a reason to live.

You high and mighty types will be surprised to hear that life isn't precious to everybody. Some people just don't want to do it anymore. But the stigma of addiction is better than the effects of suicide.
 
2014-04-30 02:05:23 PM  
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2014-04-30 02:08:43 PM  
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"It's an escape. It's an excuse to stay addicted," LePage said of naloxone
 
2014-04-30 02:40:22 PM  
I could see a point in letting families of drug addicts have access to this to treat the druggie themselves, but to deny it to first responders? On unwarranted fears it might get misused?

What a dick...
 
2014-04-30 03:41:44 PM  

Slives: I could see a point in letting families of drug addicts have access to this to treat the druggie themselves, but to deny it to first responders? On unwarranted fears it might get misused?

What a dick...


he's a repulbican
he's in favor of DEATH FOR ADDICTS!!
that will teach them!!

/asshat
 
2014-04-30 04:12:00 PM  
Conservatives, making sure you get what's coming to you, like you deserve.
 
2014-04-30 04:16:58 PM  
So, basically, the  entire objection is that having a drug to treat overdoses reduces the moral hazard of taking drugs.

Having we heard this refrain, before? The HPV vaccine was also opposed because it would reduce the risk of girls having sex.

I'm getting tired of politicians bringing their private moral concerns into matters of public health. Risk reduction is a good  and responsible thing to pursue, and if that screws with your moral philosophy then the obvious problem is with it and not the drugs.
 
2014-04-30 04:20:04 PM  
We should invent something that junkies can wear or have implanted that constantly monitors their oxygen saturation and heart rate and will give them a little Narcan jolt from hell when they nod a little too far off.
 
2014-04-30 04:40:44 PM  
Does Fat Old Man think Lipitor similarly offers Fat Old Men a false sense of security?

//pass the pork rinds
 
2014-04-30 04:45:30 PM  
Can you get a buzz off it?
 
2014-04-30 04:46:05 PM  
Yup the real reason people shoot up is because they think they'll be revived by first responders. Brilliant!
 
2014-04-30 04:48:15 PM  
This makes sense if you are the type of person who believes birth control causes people to want to have sex
 
2014-04-30 04:49:26 PM  
Because teaching someone a lesson is more important than saving lives.

You know we shouldn't have life preservers in boats because they give the people the idea they can drive boats recklessly.
 
2014-04-30 04:50:28 PM  
Conservatives don't want to solve problems, they want "bad" people "punished".
 
2014-04-30 04:51:27 PM  
LePage is an embarrassment to Maine. He sounds like he has an 8th grade education.
 
2014-04-30 04:51:45 PM  
Let's face it: Old Republican guy has a point. It may very well cause more people to try heroin.

So? I'd gladly trade that for the ability to prevent death (or worse) from overdose.
 
2014-04-30 04:52:18 PM  

StopLurkListen: Does Fat Old Man think Lipitor similarly offers Fat Old Men a false sense of security?

//pass the pork rinds


You deny it doesnt?
 
2014-04-30 04:52:37 PM  

jaylectricity: "It's an escape. It's an excuse to stay addicted," LePage said of naloxone in March.

The heroin IS the escape. Death IS the escape. Naxalone should be administered, then the addict should be locked up in a mental institution until they are over their addiction. Give them counseling. Give them a reason to live.

You high and mighty types will be surprised to hear that life isn't precious to everybody. Some people just don't want to do it anymore. But the stigma of addiction is better than the effects of suicide.


if only it was this easy.  Even if states allowed for involuntary commitments for substance treatment (which the vast majority don't, you can't help the addicts that don't want to be helped.  As a provider it just takes patience and hope that the patient hitting bottom doesn't mean the grave.

/psychiatrist.
 
2014-04-30 04:55:44 PM  

Destructor: Let's face it: Old Republican guy has a point. It may very well cause more people to try heroin.

So? I'd gladly trade that for the ability to prevent death (or worse) from overdose.


If you're at the point of your life where you're trying heroin, I doubt that knowing EMTs might have this drug will be a factor in the decision making process.
 
2014-04-30 04:55:45 PM  

Slives: I could see a point in letting families of drug addicts have access to this to treat the druggie themselves, but to deny it to first responders? On unwarranted fears it might get misused?

What a dick...


The fear isn't that it will get misused, the fear is that it will get used correctly.
 
2014-04-30 04:56:17 PM  
FTFA: But LePage has opposed the bill and similar measures in the past, despite a steadily rising toll from heroin deaths in Maine. He has argued that naloxone could provide drug users with a false sense of security, that it would cost too much or that it would be unsafe in the hands of first responders.

"It's an escape. It's an excuse to stay addicted," LePage said of naloxone in March.


It is obvious this dude has no idea about addiction. Addicts don't give a fark if they overdose or not and don't look for excuses to be addicted. Look at the "krocodil"(sp?) addicts in Russia, they don't give a fark if their arms are rotting off.
 
2014-04-30 04:58:25 PM  

Saiga410: You deny it doesnt?


Speaking as a user (Crestor)... It is an enabler. I will eat crap, and get excellent blood values back. Before then, I was on it, I was actually losing weight because I was afraid of having a "grabber". Now, not so much.

/I'm a reason your healthcare is so expensive.
//But I really am trying to lose weight now...
///Really.
 
2014-04-30 05:01:30 PM  
If his argument is that this will kill more people than it saves, I'd like to hear some ballpark numbers. Does allowing 200 heroin addicts to die via overdose keep an extra 10,000 people off heroind, and 300 preventing 300 of those people from overdosing and dying?

I mean, if this is really some kind of cost-benefit analysis, and that the reduction of potential death via overdose causes an increase in heroin use and heroin overdoses, let's hear the details of it, as a matter of public health policy I'm sure it'd be informative.
 
2014-04-30 05:02:41 PM  

Satanic_Hamster: If you're at the point of your life where you're trying heroin, I doubt that knowing EMTs might have this drug will be a factor in the decision making process.


I am not a psychiatrist. But I am an observer. The people who try heroin seem to fall into two big groups. Occasional drug users, and people with real problems.

The people with real problems are going to use it no matter what. Ideally, they'd get those fixed so they don't use. Maybe with affordable healthcare, that can happen. I really hope it does.

The second group of people are probably what Old Republican guy is worried about; the experimenters. This may enable them a little bit. I don't know. There are plenty of people out there that think addiction can't happen to them. And maybe it won't. Maybe they'll try it once, and walk away. But I really, really doubt it. And that's the danger; it's a risk to society. But, at least you can (in theory) fix that. You can't fix a dead guy.
 
2014-04-30 05:09:09 PM  
Allowing police officers to have Narcan is a bad idea. Police officers are not educated in pharmacology. They with have a if-then rule. But Narcan is sexier than something like a Bag Valve mask. Good ventilation is safer and more effective. BTW patients given Narcan often throw up threatening their airway. If a Pt. took a speedball, Nar can might kill the patient. / paramedic// I will intubate you and ensure you don't die/// Good medicine beats ego everytime
 
2014-04-30 05:11:00 PM  

Corvus: Conservatives don't want to solve problems, they want "bad" people "punished".


So do courts.

Of course they also follow established procedures for establishing who is "bad" and what that "punishment" is; and as far as I'm aware, the only places that prescribe death sentences for using (not possessing) heroin are farked up third world dictatorships.
 
2014-04-30 05:12:55 PM  

error 303: If his argument is that this will kill more people than it saves, I'd like to hear some ballpark numbers. Does allowing 200 heroin addicts to die via overdose keep an extra 10,000 people off heroind, and 300 preventing 300 of those people from overdosing and dying?

I mean, if this is really some kind of cost-benefit analysis, and that the reduction of potential death via overdose causes an increase in heroin use and heroin overdoses, let's hear the details of it, as a matter of public health policy I'm sure it'd be informative.


Sticking an addict in a hospital and then jail is way more expensive than taking them straight to a funeral home.
 
2014-04-30 05:14:39 PM  
Or you could just let them die.  We need to quit interfering with Darwin before he gets all uppity and unleashes some sort of flying Ebola upon us
 
2014-04-30 05:17:10 PM  

globalwarmingpraiser: Allowing police officers to have Narcan is a bad idea. Police officers are not educated in pharmacology. They with have a if-then rule. But Narcan is sexier than something like a Bag Valve mask. Good ventilation is safer and more effective. BTW patients given Narcan often throw up threatening their airway. If a Pt. took a speedball, Nar can might kill the patient. / paramedic// I will intubate you and ensure you don't die/// Good medicine beats ego everytime


Were you intubating someone while you typed this?
 
2014-04-30 05:20:43 PM  
We need to stop teaching children how to swim to prevent drownings.
 
2014-04-30 05:30:31 PM  

Philip J. Fry: We need to stop teaching children how to swim to prevent drownings.


Swimming is not illegal...heroin is.

Perhaps we should teach people not to shoot heroin?
 
2014-04-30 05:34:33 PM  

mcreadyblue: Perhaps we should teach people not to shoot heroin?


We do that already. For me the had the DARE program in 5th and 6th grade. Was covered again in health class at 7th and 11th. It's not so much that it worked for me as is I prefer not flushing my life down the toilet.
 
2014-04-30 05:36:59 PM  

mcreadyblue: Philip J. Fry: We need to stop teaching children how to swim to prevent drownings.

Swimming is not illegal...heroin is.

Perhaps we should teach people not to shoot heroin?


We do, but some people do anyway. Should they die despite there being something that can save them? I bet i already know what your answer is.

I bet if there was a HIV vaccine this guy would be against that also.
 
2014-04-30 05:38:11 PM  

AndreMA: LePage is an embarrassment to Maine. He sounds like he has an 8th grade education.


If that's what an 8th grade education sounds like in Maine then Maine should be embarrassed.
 
2014-04-30 05:38:18 PM  

mcreadyblue: Philip J. Fry: We need to stop teaching children how to swim to prevent drownings.

Swimming is not illegal...heroin is.

Perhaps we should teach people not to shoot heroin?


Swimming is illegal in some locations.

And when someone is mid-overdose... that's not the time to teach them not to shoot heroin.  It's the time to use emergency measures to save the life and see if THEN you can teach them not to shoot heroin.
 
2014-04-30 05:44:35 PM  

namatad: Slives: I could see a point in letting families of drug addicts have access to this to treat the druggie themselves, but to deny it to first responders? On unwarranted fears it might get misused?

What a dick...

he's a repulbican
he's in favor of DEATH FOR ADDICTS!!
that will teach them!!

/asshat


FTFY. Granted, I am generalizing, but that seems to be what republicans look for nowadays. Death. For the Muslims, for the Libs, for anyone they see as a threat to their worldview. Hell, I think the reason they are against abortion is that they don't get the opportunity to see the kid suffer and die.
 
2014-04-30 05:55:49 PM  
Thing is, these days heroin is so cheap and so pure that it is not always a matter of SHOOTING UP. You can snort powdered heroin and O.D. as well. Snorting a line of powder take much less commitment than cooking up and using a syringe.

NOT a CSB: A friend of mine's son just died last month from this very thing. Two days prior to his 22nd birthday, he and his friends indulged in booze, weed, snorting benzos (Xanax), and snorting heroin. One kid started to o.d. so some others took her to the hospital. My friend's son was on probation (he was a very troubled kid) so he didn't go. He must have seen all those drugs left behind and overindulged. The crew that went to the hospital came back to find him dead. My friend, the kid's mother, is almost catatonic with grief and guilt. Farking tragedy.

I wonder how that would have gone different if those kids knew that any passing cop car could have saved the first kid.
 
2014-04-30 05:58:43 PM  

Mercutio74: mcreadyblue: Philip J. Fry: We need to stop teaching children how to swim to prevent drownings.

Swimming is not illegal...heroin is.

Perhaps we should teach people not to shoot heroin?

Swimming is illegal in some locations.

And when someone is mid-overdose... that's not the time to teach them not to shoot heroin.  It's the time to use emergency measures to save the life and see if THEN you can teach them not to shoot heroin.


Whose got time for that?
 
2014-04-30 06:12:29 PM  

I'm an Egyptian!: namatad: Slives: I could see a point in letting families of drug addicts have access to this to treat the druggie themselves, but to deny it to first responders? On unwarranted fears it might get misused?

What a dick...

he's a repulbican
he's in favor of DEATH FOR ADDICTS!!
that will teach them!!

/asshat

FTFY. Granted, I am generalizing, but that seems to be what republicans look for nowadays. Death. For the Muslims, for the Libs, for anyone they see as a threat to their worldview. Hell, I think the reason they are against abortion is that they don't get the opportunity to see the kid suffer and die.


Abortions for none, death for the rest!
 
2014-04-30 06:14:30 PM  

bmongar: AndreMA: LePage is an embarrassment to Maine. He sounds like he has an 8th grade education.

If that's what an 8th grade education sounds like in Maine then Maine should be embarrassed.


Point taken. I was too generous.
 
2014-04-30 06:54:09 PM  

Lochsteppe: globalwarmingpraiser: Allowing police officers to have Narcan is a bad idea. Police officers are not educated in pharmacology. They with have a if-then rule. But Narcan is sexier than something like a Bag Valve mask. Good ventilation is safer and more effective. BTW patients given Narcan often throw up threatening their airway. If a Pt. took a speedball, Nar can might kill the patient. / paramedic// I will intubate you and ensure you don't die/// Good medicine beats ego everytime

Were you intubating someone while you typed this?


Nope, but I was in a moving ambulance. Seriously, this is one of those feel good ideas that will kill people.
 
2014-04-30 07:42:11 PM  
Some states have the samaritan law, also.   If you're with someone who's overdosing, and you call 911, the police cannot charge for the substances they find there.     Sounds creepy, yet it's better than someone not calling because they don't want to get the possession or whatever charge..
 
2014-04-30 07:54:53 PM  
Heroin saved my life and made me a better person.
 
2014-04-30 08:06:31 PM  

roger77: Some states have the samaritan law, also.   If you're with someone who's overdosing, and you call 911, the police cannot charge for the substances they find there.     Sounds creepy, yet it's better than someone not calling because they don't want to get the possession or whatever charge..


Seems like a good idea. Especially to keep dumbass teens from dying on ya.
 
2014-04-30 08:41:09 PM  
But LePage has opposed the bill and similar measures in the past, despite a steadily rising toll from heroin deaths in Maine. He has argued that naloxone could provide drug users with a false sense of security ...

... not unlike LePage's false sense of reality.

/what a moron.
 
2014-04-30 11:27:36 PM  
www.peshtigotimes.net

Scott Walker signed a similar series of bills in Wisconsin.  The drug war is moving the other way for once, and it's happening EVERYWHERE.
 
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