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(Entertainmentwise)   Maybe Mr. Peabody should take the Wayback Machine to the meeting where studio execs thought it was a good idea to release the film in direct competition with the LEGO Movie   (entertainmentwise.com) divider line 69
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2014-04-30 08:34:56 AM  
Peabody was the better movie
 
2014-04-30 08:39:15 AM  
I was a huge fan of Rocky and Bullwinkle growing up (thank you, Nickelodeon), should I check it out?
 
2014-04-30 10:02:00 AM  
What could be bad with a story about a dog and his boy?
 
2014-04-30 10:16:38 AM  
I don't think anyone thought the LEGO movie would be as big as it was.

//Saw both.  Lego was better.
 
2014-04-30 10:24:40 AM  
Peabody is a long dead character resurrected for no reason.  He doesn't put butts in seats.  You'd have a better chance with Mr Magoo or the Pink Panther.
 
2014-04-30 10:27:30 AM  
Takings/Income of $260.8M - minus
Budget/Costs of $145M =

LOSS?? of $57M

Hollywood accounting at its finest
 
2014-04-30 10:29:30 AM  

Anderson's Pooper: Takings/Income of $260.8M - minus
Budget/Costs of $145M =

LOSS?? of $57M

Hollywood accounting at its finest


Yeah, nothing like taking a loss of +115M...
 
2014-04-30 10:33:04 AM  
How about Amos 'n' Andy? That used to be popular.
 
2014-04-30 10:34:05 AM  

Anderson's Pooper: Takings/Income of $260.8M - minus
Budget/Costs of $145M =

LOSS?? of $57M

Hollywood accounting at its finest


The studio does keep all the grosses for a movie. It is pretty close to a 50/50 split here in the US, while overseas theaters keep a bigger chunk.
 
2014-04-30 10:35:16 AM  

Anderson's Pooper: Takings/Income of $260.8M - minus
Budget/Costs of $145M =

LOSS?? of $57M

Hollywood accounting at its finest


Well, $260m in box receipts.  Theaters take their cut from that, on top of all the rest
 
2014-04-30 10:45:53 AM  

bhcompy: Anderson's Pooper: Takings/Income of $260.8M - minus
Budget/Costs of $145M =

LOSS?? of $57M

Hollywood accounting at its finest

Well, $260m in box receipts.  Theaters take their cut from that, on top of all the rest


With a budget of 145, it would have had to make 290 domestic (not accounting for foreign BO) to get into the black.  That doesn't include advertising which adds probably 40-50 million on top, so yes, this lost money.
 
2014-04-30 10:51:16 AM  

mjbok: bhcompy: Anderson's Pooper: Takings/Income of $260.8M - minus
Budget/Costs of $145M =

LOSS?? of $57M

Hollywood accounting at its finest

Well, $260m in box receipts.  Theaters take their cut from that, on top of all the rest

With a budget of 145, it would have had to make 290 domestic (not accounting for foreign BO) to get into the black.  That doesn't include advertising which adds probably 40-50 million on top, so yes, this lost money.


So, are DVD and TV rights done separately... those don't also come into play?... those haven't even been realized yet.
 
2014-04-30 11:00:38 AM  
I didn't even know they made one.
 
2014-04-30 11:11:36 AM  
Mr. Peabody was forgettable, but ok.  If they would have shelved it for a year, it would have made more money.

This summer, DreamWorks Animation will release the sequel to the popular How to Train Your Dragon which is expected to make at least $75 million in its opening weekend.

I'm not sure this is going to work out for them.  There is a mediocre "How to Train Your Dragon" tv series that is watering down the franchise.
 
2014-04-30 11:12:28 AM  
Since they are making movies from our childhood cartoons, I await Simon Helberg starring in the future Clyde Crashcup movie.

/ CG height adjustment figured into the cost, of course.

 
2014-04-30 11:14:06 AM  

dletter: So, are DVD and TV rights done separately... those don't also come into play?... those haven't even been realized yet.


This doesn't account for that.  To give a breakdown, the film cost 145 million to make.  Let's be very generous and say that only 25 million was spent on advertising and print costs (way low).  That gives a cost starting point of -170 million.

Domestic box office was 108, so the studio gets 54.
Foreign BO was 153, so the studio gets about 46.
54+46 = 100.  That means before DVD and TV sales it is about 70 million in the red.
 
2014-04-30 11:18:22 AM  
To be fair, the other Lego movies have all been really bad.  Who knew this would be one exception?
 
2014-04-30 11:18:25 AM  

bhcompy: Peabody is a long dead character resurrected for no reason.  He doesn't put butts in seats.  You'd have a better chance with Mr Magoo or the Pink Panther.


In Hollywood legal-ness, a studio may be required to put out a movie, no matter how rushed & sh*tty, just to be able to retain the film rights (example: the early 90's Fantastic Four and Captain America movies) or else they would expire.
 
2014-04-30 11:22:11 AM  
If you want to bring back Peabody and Sherman, why wouldn't you just do it as a TV series? The idea is perfect for episodic TV, and even better would fit nicely into that "two 11 minute shows" format a lot of the younger-kid cartoons seem to prefer. I can't say I really know what animation costs these days, but I'm guessing you could probably bang out at least 25 episodes for what that movie cost you.
 
2014-04-30 11:29:22 AM  
Saw both, enjoyed both.

Oldest liked Lego better, youngest like Peabody better.
 
2014-04-30 11:33:45 AM  
Peabody and Sherman had one thing the Lego Movie didn't have...poop jokes.
 
2014-04-30 11:38:47 AM  
I liked them both, frankly, and think Peabody would have some better with a week or two gap more between them. We are fairly financially secure as a family and could afford to drop $60 two consecutive weekends for movies and concessions if there's something we want to see with the kids, but a lot of families can't. Be it budget or schedule, trying to do both in a realistic time frame isn't feasible in one pay period on a mass scale.

It was pretty silly to try.
 
2014-04-30 11:52:14 AM  
What I saw on the previews didn't look like Peabody and Sherman. I will probably rent it off Redbox for the kids when it comes out, but I have no interest in paying theater prices for it.
 
2014-04-30 11:59:19 AM  
Clearly because Mr Peabody being an utterly pointless movie has absolutely nothing with it being a box office flop. It was a five minute short on a variety comedy cartoon decades ago that wasn't even the most notable part of that show, so why the hell did people think they could stretch that out into a feature-length movie? Maybe the movie flopped because people are finally sick of seeing their childhood memories gutted for cheap profit.
 
2014-04-30 12:00:53 PM  

oldernell: What could be bad with a story about a dog and his boy?


Don Johnson and cannibalism
 
2014-04-30 12:08:19 PM  

LoneWolf343: It was a five minute short on a variety comedy cartoon decades ago that wasn't even the most notable part of that show, so why the hell did people think they could stretch that out into a feature-length movie?


The Simpsons.
 
2014-04-30 12:09:34 PM  
DreamWorks' mistake was moving its distribution from Paramount to Fox. Certainly they're going to give their full attention to franchises they have some type of ownership in ("Ice Age," "Rio").
 
2014-04-30 12:09:55 PM  
Remember how great it was when Harrison Ford returned as Indiana Jones?

//And Ford liked playing that character, unlike Han Solo.
 
2014-04-30 12:10:36 PM  

mjbok: Remember how great it was when Harrison Ford returned as Indiana Jones?

//And Ford liked playing that character, unlike Han Solo.


Crap, wrong thread.
 
2014-04-30 12:14:07 PM  
Hey, who knew a glorified toy ad would be so awesome?
 
2014-04-30 12:25:44 PM  
Peabody and Sherman worked in its day, as a tiny little side cartoon in between the main event that was Rocky and Bullwinkle. It also worked because the big honking room-filling Wayback Machine was pretty much what computers looked like back then, and nobody here knew a thing yet about Doctor Who, which essentially has a Wayback Machine constructed a thousand times better.

You bring that shiat back in this day and age? You wanna make a movie out of Bullwinkle trying to pull a rabbit out of his hat next?
 
2014-04-30 12:26:48 PM  

bhcompy: Peabody is a long dead character resurrected for no reason.  He doesn't put butts in seats.  You'd have a better chance with Mr Magoo or the Pink Panther.


Hell, even Top cat. Oh, wait.
 
2014-04-30 12:32:42 PM  

oldernell: What could be bad with a story about a dog and his boy?


IDK but how about a boy and his dog?

thepostapoc.com
 
2014-04-30 12:34:04 PM  

jayhawk88: If you want to bring back Peabody and Sherman, why wouldn't you just do it as a TV series? The idea is perfect for episodic TV, and even better would fit nicely into that "two 11 minute shows" format a lot of the younger-kid cartoons seem to prefer. I can't say I really know what animation costs these days, but I'm guessing you could probably bang out at least 25 episodes for what that movie cost you.


They did...it's called 'Adventure Time'.
 
2014-04-30 12:41:52 PM  

Primitive Screwhead: oldernell: What could be bad with a story about a dog and his boy?

IDK but how about a boy and his dog?

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Great little movie.
 
2014-04-30 12:45:48 PM  
Everyone seems to be missing the more interesting part.

They spent $145 million on an animated movie.

And not to knock the artwork, but it wasn't Avatar (the blue people). It wasn't even Avatar, the animated series. It was claymation with computers.

I can understand 10-15 million on voice talent, that's a weirdly overpaid part of feature length cartoons these days.

And I get that final rendering everything in 4k or whatever they format the movies in takes a chunk of computer hardware, but it's 2014 and "oh god it takes an hour to render a frame" was a Toy Story thing.

So, where does most of that 145 million go? I suspect we'd find at least a third goes to someone as profit automatically, before the thing gets to screening. Hollywood has been taken over by the sort of firms, akin to Bain, where they'll use the companies own assets to buy it, leverage the IP until it looks profitable, then take their management fees and float the rebuilt firm on an IPO built to fail.
 
2014-04-30 12:46:19 PM  
They call that a loss?  That's a drop in the bucket compared to Waterworld and Pluto Nash, both of which would have a loss of over $100M when adjusted for inflation.
 
2014-04-30 12:54:41 PM  

browntimmy: How about Amos 'n' Andy? That used to be popular.


Spike Lee tried it and it flopped, so if even he couldn't get it to work...

/Cliven & Sterling At the Moving Pictures liked it.
 
2014-04-30 12:59:00 PM  

wildcardjack: They spent $145 million on an animated movie.


Rio 2 cost 103.
How to Train your Dragon was 165
Toy Story 3 was 200
Rise of the Guardians 145
Frozen was 150.

It's pretty much in line with other animated stuff.
 
2014-04-30 12:59:14 PM  
Its Wavelength Acceleration Bidirectional Asynchronous Controller (WABAC) not "Wayback Machine".
 
2014-04-30 01:05:04 PM  
Mr. Peabody & Sherman was originally set to be released in December 2013, before Fox made the decision to move it to March.

Its direct competition in that slot would have been Disney's Frozen ... which was actually still in theaters (and still within the top 20 box-office) at the time MP&S finally premiered.

The artists and animators at DreamWorks were obviously respectful of the original cartoon; the characters are "spot-on", and the environments are a fun blend of 60s cartoon minimalism with lush textures.  Story-wise, though, the movie kinda falls apart in its last act -- with a deus ex-machina / technobabble-gobbledegook "we can fix this problem -- because, TIME MACHINE!!" resolution, which was ultimately unsatisfying (to me).  The mini-adventures in various historical periods are rather fun.  I even enjoyed the story's "father/son" dynamic (something the original show rarely ever touched upon) more than I'd thought I might.  And Mr. Peabody does get a few good puns ... along with several bad ones..!

I think the movie may do rather better on DVD than it did in theaters.  But that's small comfort to DreamWorks, who kinda need these movies to be "hits" up-front.  They'll almost certainly be scaling back from their "two or three animated features-per-year" output -- which they've managed to maintain rather steadily, for the past ten years.  And that means fewer jobs ... and even more super-talented artists languishing on unemployment, in an already-massively-overcrowded job market.  -_-
 
2014-04-30 01:07:34 PM  

mjbok: wildcardjack: They spent $145 million on an animated movie.

Rio 2 cost 103.
How to Train your Dragon was 165
Toy Story 3 was 200
Rise of the Guardians 145
Frozen was 150.

It's pretty much in line with other animated stuff.


Just because it's in line with the industry doesn't mean it's right. That's the medical industry excuse.
 
2014-04-30 01:25:25 PM  
Was Rocky and Bullwinkle ever big internationally?  Did anyone know who Peabody and Sherman are in Asia?
 
2014-04-30 01:25:36 PM  
They should have made a Fractured Fairy Tales movie.
 
2014-04-30 01:25:41 PM  
I wanted to go see this in the theater, but it's gone!! I was busy and didn't get around to it, I get laid off from work, and it's not in the theaters anymore. The only reason I knew it was there was because I saw it on the marquee when I went to see Captain America.
 
2014-04-30 01:45:09 PM  

bark_atda_moon: Mr. Peabody was forgettable, but ok.  If they would have shelved it for a year, it would have made more money.

This summer, DreamWorks Animation will release the sequel to the popular How to Train Your Dragon which is expected to make at least $75 million in its opening weekend.

I'm not sure this is going to work out for them.  There is a mediocre "How to Train Your Dragon" tv series that is watering down the franchise.



I've got two daughters that'll fight you for making that statement.
 
2014-04-30 02:09:36 PM  

bhcompy: Well, $260m in box receipts.  Theaters take their cut from that, on top of all the rest


When I read "takings" I think "income".  Call it box office receipts or ticket sales and it makes more sense.  I look at the original numbers in the article and see a $115M profit.
 
2014-04-30 02:28:37 PM  
Quiet you!
 
2014-04-30 02:29:48 PM  

Gunny Highway: I was a huge fan of Rocky and Bullwinkle growing up (thank you, Nickelodeon), should I check it out?


I thought the previews sucked ass. BEing that it was a kids' animated show, the voices were important. They got 'so' close then said 'Fark it'. You want to do a movie like this? Then hire people who are known for being able to do impressions. Hell, Frank Caliendo and Kevin Pollack are great with impressions, and Hank Azaria has done enough voice work that I would be t that even HE could get a Mr Peabody that matched. My kids said it was good, but they never knew R & B, so I'm not sure.

All I want is a torrent of the original series, complete with Fractured Fairy Tales...
 
2014-04-30 02:38:45 PM  

Mikey1969: All I want is a torrent of the original series, complete with Fractured Fairy Tales...


Pretty sure it is on Amazon Prime if you have that.
 
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