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(Sun Sentinel)   Gov. Rick Scott visits nursing home to listen to residents' complaints about Obamacare. What he heard: "Very happy," "no problems, "very pleased," "I'm completely satisfied"   (sun-sentinel.com ) divider line
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2014-04-30 08:36:47 AM  
Two options are available.

1) Find selected quotes to divorce from content to change their apparent meaning. "I cannot say enough good things about Obamacare" becomes "I cannot say [...] good things about Obamacare".

2) Claim that senior citizens have been so afraid of being sent to death panels that they are unwilling to speak out.

Option 1 is actually the less dishonest of the two choices, but I would no longer expect option 2 to not be considered.
 
2014-04-30 08:43:02 AM  
The Republicans' biggest nightmare about Obamacare was that Americans would end up liking it.
 
2014-04-30 08:46:22 AM  
A more honest question from Scott would have been, "Do you think Obamacare has done more damage to Medicare than me?"
 
2014-04-30 08:50:18 AM  
What you don't see referenced in the account is the fact that the residents had learned just that morning that an entire local Death Panel would be assembled in the adjoining room, listening very intently to the their replies and noting their files accordingly for the meetings that had been scheduled to take place later that afternoon.
 
2014-04-30 10:02:25 AM  
Why would anyone in a nursing home be on Obamacare? They should all be on Medicare.
 
2014-04-30 10:05:05 AM  

DamnYankees: Why would anyone in a nursing home be on Obamacare? They should all be on Medicare.


If I'm not mistaken, Republicans have been predicting (like they predicted death panels) that Medicare would be slashed due to Obamacare. This is an example of reality getting in the way of what Republicans think.
 
2014-04-30 10:14:29 AM  

DamnYankees: They should all be on Medicare.


I'm not sure, but I think my supplemental was effected by ACA.  Pricing came down about 20 buck a month.
 
2014-04-30 10:16:05 AM  
So the guy that defrauded the government out of a billion healthcare dollars is worried that people aren't getting the healthcare services that they pay taxes for?

Absolute scum.
 
2014-04-30 10:19:56 AM  

Confabulat: The Republicans' biggest nightmare about Obamacare was that Americans would end up liking it.


Yet they didn't stop them from naming it after the president so he would be attached to it, success or not.

I would ask if Republicans thought anything through, but I've been through 2001-2009 and the answer is obviously not.
 
2014-04-30 10:21:24 AM  

Confabulat: The Republicans' biggest nightmare about Obamacare was that Americans would end up liking it.


That's not a joke, it was their only rationale for opposing health care reform during Clinton's terms. Bill Kristol wrote the memo.
 
2014-04-30 10:23:44 AM  

oldernell: DamnYankees: They should all be on Medicare.

I'm not sure, but I think my supplemental was effected by ACA.  Pricing came down about 20 buck a month.


And Medicare is not free.  The cost of healthcare could go up for seniors due to the ACA.  It could also go down.
 
2014-04-30 10:26:19 AM  
My god.  Fartbama and his minions got to these people and brainwashed them.  What a sick monster.
 
2014-04-30 10:26:43 AM  
www.iranaffairs.com
 
2014-04-30 10:27:40 AM  
He should have taken a page from Issa's "fact finding" mission and put out an open call for people who had bad experiences, and bar anyone else from speaking.
 
2014-04-30 10:31:55 AM  

DamnYankees: Why would anyone in a nursing home be on Obamacare? They should all be on Medicare.


Scott was trying to push the ACA would cause Medicare. The seniors were great, even accepting such cuts if everyone else was suffering cutbacks too.

I'm sending flowers to that senior center with red, white and blue blossoms. What great Americans they are.
 
2014-04-30 10:31:59 AM  

DamnYankees: Why would anyone in a nursing home be on Obamacare? They should all be on Medicare.


If you had read the article. Their medicaid payments had changed slightly due to the ACA. More importantly many of them had families who were directly affected by the ACA, so they knew it was helping people. Scott apparently picked the wrong retirement home to visit. I bet next time he will have some staff pre-interview the residents.
 
2014-04-30 10:38:35 AM  
Bwahahahaaa! Friggin snake oil salesmen can't take their own medicine.
 
2014-04-30 10:39:31 AM  
There is a  possibility that non-voters will start voting for Democrats now that they have better health care under Obamacare.  These voters would be easily missed by most polls because they've never voted before and therefore would frequently be labeled as not likely to vote (even if they say they are likely to do so).

This is mostly wishful thinking at this point, but this theory is hard to prove one way or another until election day, as all or most polls will systematically be wrong in the Republican's favor if my theory is correct.
 
2014-04-30 11:07:08 AM  

Confabulat: The Republicans' biggest nightmare about Obamacare was that Americans would end up liking it.


A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largesse from the public treasury.
- Alexander Tytler

Of course Americans like it.  It not only destroys democracy by voting for largesse from the public purse, it allows the government to force private corporations to transfer their profits to the population , enforced by the armed power of the state. The "affordable" care act represents the biggest forcible transfer of wealth from the ownership class to the social welfare class in history...

Oh wait, I kind of wish that were true.

3219a2.medialib.glogster.com
 
2014-04-30 11:07:41 AM  
FTFA:
Eventually, Rubin said, Obamacare will become more popular. "People were appalled at Social Security.  They were appalled at Medicare when it came out. I think these major changes take some people aback. But I think we have to be careful not to just rely on the fact that we're seniors and have an entitlement to certain things," she said.
"We're all just sitting here taking it for granted that because we have Medicare we don't want to lose one part of it. That's wrong to me. I think we have to spread it around. This is the United States of America. It's not the United States of senior citizens," Rubin said from her spot two seats away from the governor.


Goddamn Granny.  Was Governor Luthor rushed to the burn ward after that?
 
2014-04-30 11:08:18 AM  

No Such Agency: Of course Americans like it.  It not only destroys democracy by voting for largesse from the public purse, it allows the government to force private corporations to transfer their profits to the population , enforced by the armed power of the state


Or it could just improve citizens' lives.
 
2014-04-30 11:08:46 AM  

MindStalker: I bet next time he will have some staff pre-interview the residents.


I can't believe he didn't do this in the first place--unless he actually believes all the bullshiat the right has been spewing about the ACA.
 
2014-04-30 11:10:27 AM  

Confabulat: The Republicans' biggest nightmare about Obamacare was that Americans would end up liking it.


THIS! All the GOP has is "Don't get sick but if you do, die quickly". That plan doesn't seem to resonate with the citizens for some peculiar reason.
 
2014-04-30 11:15:43 AM  

born_yesterday: MindStalker: I bet next time he will have some staff pre-interview the residents.

I can't believe he didn't do this in the first place--unless he actually believes all the bullshiat the right has been spewing about the ACA.


Even if he doesn't, I think he's put his trust in faux news to influence what he most likely considers a low information voter....people in assisted care facilities.  I'm sure he was incredulous to find that these folks can and do still think for themselves, and having lived through the implementation of Medicare and SS, are not surprised that everyone didn't embrace it fully from day one.

Because he's an idiot.
 
2014-04-30 11:16:38 AM  

born_yesterday: MindStalker: I bet next time he will have some staff pre-interview the residents.

I can't believe he didn't do this in the first place--unless he actually believes all the bullshiat the right has been spewing about the ACA.


That's what's most ridiculous about that creep.  He's no Luthor.  He's really, really bad at being bad.  He frequently gets blocked by his own party in the state legislature.  He's done a 180 a ton of his own initiatives.

What kills me is when he claims credit for things he had nothing to do with.
 
2014-04-30 11:22:36 AM  

ckccfa: Goddamn Granny. Was Governor Luthor rushed to the burn ward after that?


He probably blinked uncomprehendingly. Altruism is not an emotion his species is capable of.
 
2014-04-30 11:30:53 AM  
Dammit, I love those old people.  I'd send them a fruit basket if I thought their dentures could take it.
 
2014-04-30 11:33:24 AM  

HugsAndPuppies: Dammit, I love those old people. I'd send them a fruit basket if I thought their dentures could take it.


Blenders, man, blenders. Nice fresh smoothies all around.
 
2014-04-30 11:54:21 AM  
Rick Scott is a shiatstain. He makes Florida look worse than it actually is. He's a giant walking siphon of public funds into his and his buddies' wallets.

So reviled is he that he's currently losing in early polls against Charlie "I was once a Republican" Crist, despite the massive flaming heaps of money spent on campaign commercials by pro-Scott PACs.

I can rarely go two commercial breaks on Hulu without seeing how Obamacare is hurting Florida families.

I'd vote for a steaming bucket of horseshiat before I'd vote for Scott, aside from the fact that I'm not entirely certain that a vote for the horseshiat wouldn't count as a vote for Scott.
 
2014-04-30 11:54:53 AM  

Confabulat: No Such Agency: Of course Americans like it.  It not only destroys democracy by voting for largesse from the public purse, it allows the government to force private corporations to transfer their profits to the population , enforced by the armed power of the state

Or it could just improve citizens' lives.


Single-payer would improve them a lot more.  Involving private insurance companies is still just holding a rabid dog on a leash.  The layers of profit and corporate bureaucracy must inevitably be paid for somehow, the question is "why?" when they clearly add no value (as evidenced by the fact that Americans spend so, so much more than other nations and barely get equivalent care).
 
2014-04-30 12:04:05 PM  
" I think we have to spread it around. This is the United States of America. It's not the United States of senior citizens," Rubin said from her spot two seats away from the governor."


You  just won yourself an American Eagle, with extra sparkles.

img.fark.net
 
2014-04-30 12:05:57 PM  

born_yesterday: MindStalker: I bet next time he will have some staff pre-interview the residents.

I can't believe he didn't do this in the first place--unless he actually believes all the bullshiat the right has been spewing about the ACA.


That's because he's an idiot.

It makes me sad that Crist is running again because between the 2 of them, i'd sooner vote for some fringe Green Party putz than either of them.

Wonder how much money his Solantic clinics are making or losing based on his anti-ACA nonsense.
 
2014-04-30 12:16:02 PM  
So Rick Scott, convicted of being the largest Medicare fraud ever, and the guy who had to pay back the largest personal settlement ever, worries about changes the ACA will make to Medicare Advantage? OH NOES!

It's fitting that 19 out of 20 people loved the changes the ACA brought them, and Rick Scott learned absolutely nothing from it other than to parrot GOP talking points. I'm surprised he didn't throw in a dash of 'death panels' and 'Old Glory Insurance".

For when the metal ones decide to come for you. And they will.
 
2014-04-30 12:16:57 PM  

MindStalker: If you had read the article.


Hey hey hey!  Let's not get all crazy here.  Everyone settle down.
 
2014-04-30 12:19:51 PM  
Next up: Lets get state based public options. Lets also lower the age on medicare.

Lets go!
 
2014-04-30 12:24:26 PM  

Corvus: Next up: Lets get state based public options. Lets also lower the age on medicare.

Lets go!


I wish we had just moved the Medicare cap way, way UP, and the age way, way down, like to birth.

I know, I know, fantasy land, it is.
 
2014-04-30 12:32:46 PM  
Rick Scott:  Concern trolling with a ghey smile
 
2014-04-30 01:09:46 PM  

ExcedrinHeadache: Rick Scott is a shiatstain. He makes Florida look worse than it actually is.


Which is a pretty neat trick.

/course i'm a dumb ohio head, so i have no room to talk
 
2014-04-30 01:12:55 PM  

No Such Agency: Confabulat: The Republicans' biggest nightmare about Obamacare was that Americans would end up liking it.

A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largesse from the public treasury.
- Alexander Tytler


Oh look another fake quote, falsely attributed to someone from a by gone era in an attempt to lend credibility to a point. I'm pregnant,fail
 
2014-04-30 01:15:35 PM  
lol ...I wrote "zero out of ten" and it auto replaced it with i'm pregnant ..now that is funny =)
 
2014-04-30 01:17:06 PM  
Duh, you'll always find support in Paul.
 
2014-04-30 01:26:45 PM  

MasterMunk: lol ...I wrote "zero out of ten" and it auto replaced it with i'm pregnant ..now that is funny =)


Should have just left it without the explanation.  The replies could have been great!
 
2014-04-30 01:33:21 PM  

MasterMunk: No Such Agency: Confabulat: The Republicans' biggest nightmare about Obamacare was that Americans would end up liking it.

A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largesse from the public treasury.
- Alexander Tytler

Oh look another fake quote, falsely attributed to someone from a by gone era in an attempt to lend credibility to a point. I'm pregnant,fail


Obamacare will cover that, even if it's a preexisting condition.
 
2014-04-30 01:34:44 PM  

John the Magnificent: MasterMunk: lol ...I wrote "zero out of ten" and it auto replaced it with i'm pregnant ..now that is funny =)

Should have just left it without the explanation.  The replies could have been great!


I sure would have struggled with a comeback to that.  WTF.

Zero out of ten <- apparently Android doesn't pull this trick.
 
2014-04-30 01:46:50 PM  

Dimensio: Two options are available.

1) Find selected quotes to divorce from content to change their apparent meaning. "I cannot say enough good things about Obamacare" becomes "I cannot say [...] good things about Obamacare".

2) Claim that senior citizens have been so afraid of being sent to death panels that they are unwilling to speak out.

Option 1 is actually the less dishonest of the two choices, but I would no longer expect option 2 to not be considered.


Option 3:  Pretend that meeting never happened.
 
2014-04-30 01:52:56 PM  

No Such Agency: John the Magnificent: MasterMunk: lol ...I wrote "zero out of ten" and it auto replaced it with i'm pregnant ..now that is funny =)

Should have just left it without the explanation.  The replies could have been great!

I sure would have struggled with a comeback to that.  WTF.

Zero out of ten <- apparently Android doesn't pull this trick.



I can think of a few Farkettes that would have taken you out for a ride (and not in the good way).
 
2014-04-30 01:54:20 PM  

No Such Agency: Confabulat: The Republicans' biggest nightmare about Obamacare was that Americans would end up liking it.

A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largesse from the public treasury.
- Alexander Tytler


I would hesitate to put too much weight on that kind of judgement from someone who died at a time when democracy barely existed, and when the extremely few examples he could draw on looked nothing like modern Liberal Democracy.
 
2014-04-30 02:37:09 PM  
 
2014-04-30 02:41:45 PM  

SphericalTime: So the guy that defrauded the government out of a billion healthcare dollars is worried that people aren't getting the healthcare services that they pay taxes for?

Absolute scum.


Surely someone has asked him that question to his face. What was his response?
 
2014-04-30 02:57:31 PM  

Huggermugger: SphericalTime: So the guy that defrauded the government out of a billion healthcare dollars is worried that people aren't getting the healthcare services that they pay taxes for?

Absolute scum.

Surely someone has asked him that question to his face. What was his response?


With this media? Hardly. Access to him is too important to risk offending him.
 
2014-04-30 03:13:53 PM  
On one hand what the fark Florida?!? Are you that depressed that you keep electing these Bozos that do nothing but fark up your state so bad that its a hair's breath from a third world country. Scott is a nightmare. On the other. I dont live there and it is slightly enjoyable watching it turn into a political sinkhole. Its almost looking like Disney is the stopper that keeps that state from going down the drain.

And yes people are liking Obamacare. It really does not matter if that is the only thing he's done in 8 years. It will be all he will be remembered for. Giving affordable healthcare to americans. Im sure the GOP is already regretting calling it Obamacare. Thats near 8 million people who will vote for anyone who does not threaten to take it away.
 
2014-04-30 03:18:03 PM  

ItchyMcDoogle: Im sure the GOP is already regretting calling it Obamacare. Thats near 8 million people who will vote for anyone who does not threaten to take it away.


This is the part the GOP didn't think through. They FREAKED OUT about website issues and the nearly 700,000 Americans who had to change their plans. OK, that was late 2013.

Here we are approaching election season, and over 8 million Americans have signed up that pretty much make those 700,000 Americans (who probably had ripoff plans anyway) seem less and less significant every day closer to November.

The GOP is notoriously clueless about what's going on with normal Americans though, so as always, they'll be surprised the day after the election to discover that they screwed up their message. Again.
 
2014-04-30 03:20:54 PM  

Confabulat: ItchyMcDoogle: Im sure the GOP is already regretting calling it Obamacare. Thats near 8 million people who will vote for anyone who does not threaten to take it away.

This is the part the GOP didn't think through. They FREAKED OUT about website issues and the nearly 700,000 Americans who had to change their plans. OK, that was late 2013.

Here we are approaching election season, and over 8 million Americans have signed up that pretty much make those 700,000 Americans (who probably had ripoff plans anyway) seem less and less significant every day closer to November.

The GOP is notoriously clueless about what's going on with normal Americans though, so as always, they'll be surprised the day after the election to discover that they screwed up their message. Again.


And what's dumb is in the mad rush to attack Obamacare, they set the bar very low. So now the success seems even bigger.

They never get the idea to set expectations. Where Obama admin on the other hand set realistic, instead of saying everything would be perfect, and now people perceive everything turned out better than planned.
 
2014-04-30 03:37:50 PM  

ItchyMcDoogle: It really does not matter if that is the only thing he's done in 8 years. It will be all he will be remembered for.


It's not the only thing, but so what if is?  There are a hell of a lot of presidents who aren't remembered for even one damned thing of even remotely equal significance.
 
2014-04-30 03:42:11 PM  

HugsAndPuppies: ItchyMcDoogle: It really does not matter if that is the only thing he's done in 8 years. It will be all he will be remembered for.

It's not the only thing, but so what if is?  There are a hell of a lot of presidents who aren't remembered for even one damned thing of even remotely equal significance.


There's a great semi-kid's book which gives each president about two paragraphs of description. There's quite a few pages that have something like: Last president to have a beard in office. Kept a pet raccoon. First lefty president of the 19th century.
 
2014-04-30 03:56:06 PM  

HugsAndPuppies: ItchyMcDoogle: It really does not matter if that is the only thing he's done in 8 years. It will be all he will be remembered for.

It's not the only thing, but so what if is?  There are a hell of a lot of presidents who aren't remembered for even one damned thing of even remotely equal significance.


He'll obviously be remembered for being black, and for the US's most wanted criminal finally being taken down during his first term.
 
2014-04-30 04:23:05 PM  
Has he peed in the cup yet?

www.printkiller.com
 
2014-04-30 04:37:01 PM  

Huggermugger: SphericalTime: So the guy that defrauded the government out of a billion healthcare dollars is worried that people aren't getting the healthcare services that they pay taxes for?

Absolute scum.

Surely someone has asked him that question to his face. What was his response?


Not just asked to his face, why isn't it up on billboards everywhere?

Even worse, how come he got elected? Yes I know, Florida, and Dave Barry wd probably have an explanation, but WTF? Someone can stand up and say, "Yes I screwed the taxpayers out of a billion dollars but I didn't actually go to jail, so vote for me so I can get back in the trough"?

And his opponents don't just hammer that single issue?
 
2014-04-30 05:21:58 PM  

Dansker: No Such Agency: Confabulat: The Republicans' biggest nightmare about Obamacare was that Americans would end up liking it.

A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largesse from the public treasury.
- Alexander Tytler

I would hesitate to put too much weight on that kind of judgement from someone who died at a time when democracy barely existed, and when the extremely few examples he could draw on looked nothing like modern Liberal Democracy.


Tytler didn't have all our examples of democracies thriving over many generations so his belief was merely wrong not stupid. Obviously though I can't be as charitable with my opinion in regards to people who quote him now.
 
2014-04-30 05:44:23 PM  

Guntram Shatterhand: Confabulat: The Republicans' biggest nightmare about Obamacare was that Americans would end up liking it.

Yet they didn't stop them from naming it after the president so he would be attached to it, success or not.


Just as they were 100% positive that Romney would beat Obama, they were 100% positive that the ACA would go down in flames, either through repeal or because people would hate it.

The possibility that people would actually appreciate it was entirely off their radar.
 
2014-04-30 06:22:27 PM  

No Such Agency: Confabulat: No Such Agency: Of course Americans like it.  It not only destroys democracy by voting for largesse from the public purse, it allows the government to force private corporations to transfer their profits to the population , enforced by the armed power of the state

Or it could just improve citizens' lives.

Single-payer would improve them a lot more.  Involving private insurance companies is still just holding a rabid dog on a leash.  The layers of profit and corporate bureaucracy must inevitably be paid for somehow, the question is "why?" when they clearly add no value (as evidenced by the fact that Americans spend so, so much more than other nations and barely get equivalent care).


Yes, single payer would have been better.

However, to pass a law you need to pass a law.  There was nowhere near the votes in either house of Congress in favor of single payer.  What we have now is much better than what we used to have.
 
2014-04-30 07:47:59 PM  

Some 'Splainin' To Do: Guntram Shatterhand: Confabulat: The Republicans' biggest nightmare about Obamacare was that Americans would end up liking it.

Yet they didn't stop them from naming it after the president so he would be attached to it, success or not.

Just as they were 100% positive that Romney would beat Obama, they were 100% positive that the ACA would go down in flames, either through repeal or because people would hate it.

The possibility that people would actually appreciate it was entirely off their radar.



They knew it would be popular. That's why they went into full-blown panic mode desperately trying over and over to kill it, defund it, get it declared unconstitutional, whatever, BEFORE it came entirely into effect. It has been obvious all along that this was the source of their urgency. I agree that they just couldn't believe that their manic flailing and propaganda and exertion of influence was going to fail. But they knew that the moment Obama asked them to witness the firepower of his fully armed and operational ACA, they'd be farked.

Soon enough they will claim full credit for the ACA and decry Obama for trying to get his name attached to what was basically always a GOP plan; sure, sure, they voted against it a lot but that was just about the *details* that the Democrats had screwed up, they NEVER intended to actually derail the idea entirely - after all, look how they nominated Romney who was a crucial proponent of such a system - and now? Now the damnable dems secretly want to destroy the ACA to bankrupt and kill you, and the GOP needs your vote to stop this!
 
2014-04-30 08:25:36 PM  

Monkeyfark Ridiculous: Soon enough they will claim full credit for the ACA and decry Obama for trying to get his name attached to what was basically always a GOP plan; sure, sure, they voted against it a lot but that was just about the *details* that the Democrats had screwed up, they NEVER intended to actually derail the idea entirely - after all, look how they nominated Romney who was a crucial proponent of such a system - and now? Now the damnable dems secretly want to destroy the ACA to bankrupt and kill you, and the GOP needs your vote to stop this!


I have a sinking feeling that this won't be too far off the mark.
 
2014-04-30 09:21:20 PM  

oldernell: DamnYankees: They should all be on Medicare.

I'm not sure, but I think my supplemental was effected by ACA.  Pricing came down about 20 buck a month.


And your birth control pills are covered!
 
2014-04-30 09:45:54 PM  
Really? This didn't occur to anyone?

farm3.staticflickr.com

/such clarity
//much sudden
///wow
 
2014-04-30 09:46:41 PM  
Goddammit flickr

farm3.staticflickr.com
 
2014-04-30 10:40:22 PM  
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

/LOLOL
 
2014-04-30 11:10:26 PM  

mjjt: Even worse, how come he got elected?


He split the republican primary running on a tea party platform and won with 46% of the vote. He won the general with 48.87% of the vote. And he spent $75m of his own money doing it.
 
2014-05-01 03:14:51 AM  

Satanic_Hamster: Dimensio: Two options are available.

1) Find selected quotes to divorce from content to change their apparent meaning. "I cannot say enough good things about Obamacare" becomes "I cannot say [...] good things about Obamacare".

2) Claim that senior citizens have been so afraid of being sent to death panels that they are unwilling to speak out.

Option 1 is actually the less dishonest of the two choices, but I would no longer expect option 2 to not be considered.

Option 3:  Pretend that meeting never happened.


What meeting? Didn't happen. He never went to that old folks' home, even if it existed, which I doubt very much.

Another Socialist lie.
 
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