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(Politico)   Krauthammer: "Benghazi emails are a smoking document" Get the f*ck out of my head, Charles. I'm the Obamanaut, biatch   (politico.com) divider line 144
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2014-04-30 08:48:33 AM
Do they still think they can get traction on this?  At some point you need to get out of the car and look at the tires.  Right now you're sitting on the trans-axle.
 
2014-04-30 09:25:38 AM
Pathetic:

"We now have the smoking document," Krauthammer said, "which is the White House saying, 'We're pushing the video because we don't want to blame it on the failure of our policies.'"


Underlined part not intended to be an actual quote from an E-mail.  Also, not intended to paraphrase anything in an E-mail.

Putting that aside.

1) How is the motivation of a a terrorist attack have any bearing on whether something is a policy failure or not.  2) What detail here is something we didn't know six weeks before the 2012 Presidential elections.
 
2014-04-30 09:57:13 AM

Guys, the people who spent years pushing fake Iraq talking points are still upset the #Benghazi talking points weren't perfect after 5 days.

- LOLGOP (@LOLGOP) April 30, 2014
 
2014-04-30 10:11:26 AM
thelibertyprofessor.files.wordpress.com
 
2014-04-30 10:12:05 AM
erroraccessdenied.com
 
2014-04-30 10:12:15 AM
Krauting Hammer Hidden Derpen
 
2014-04-30 10:12:57 AM
Whatever happened to that filmmaker that made the anti-Muslim movie that is supposed to be at the root of all of this?
 
2014-04-30 10:13:12 AM
Sounds like Krauthammer has jumped off the deep end.  His arguments are shallow, and it would be nice if the Post could pool their resources to do some fact checking.
 
2014-04-30 10:14:07 AM
I have a video that clearly shows Hillary with a sniper rifle and Obama with a spotter scope taking out Ambassador Stevens themselves. HERE
 
2014-04-30 10:14:50 AM

Calamityfox: [thelibertyprofessor.files.wordpress.com image 609x657]


When you're too clownshoes of a troll to type up a proper threadshiatting dump post, an out of context photo or a crappy political cartoon will do.
 
2014-04-30 10:15:12 AM
Go take another dive into shallow pool.
 
2014-04-30 10:15:41 AM
I can see we've launched the ad homonym attacks.  No point in discussing the issue anymore.
 
2014-04-30 10:15:54 AM

mrshowrules: Pathetic:

"We now have the smoking document," Krauthammer said, "which is the White House saying, 'We're pushing the video because we don't want to blame it on the failure of our policies.'"


Underlined part not intended to be an actual quote from an E-mail.  Also, not intended to paraphrase anything in an E-mail.

Putting that aside.

1) How is the motivation of a a terrorist attack have any bearing on whether something is a policy failure or not.  2) What detail here is something we didn't know six weeks before the 2012 Presidential elections.


Quote from the email: "To underscore that these protests are rooted in an Internet video, and not a broader failure of policy"

Yeah, nothing even similar there.
 
2014-04-30 10:16:02 AM

born_yesterday: Sounds like Krauthammer has jumped off the deep end.  His arguments are shallow, and it would be nice if the Post could pool their resources to do some fact checking.


Yeah he used to couch his lies in the truth, just like Garack on DS9 used to do. Cabbage-Mallet-Man, the Obsidian Order am disappoint.
 
2014-04-30 10:16:41 AM

love_alice: I can see we've launched the ad homonym attacks.  No point in discussing the issue anymore.


Was there ever really a point in discussing this?
 
2014-04-30 10:16:58 AM

Calamityfox: [thelibertyprofessor.files.wordpress.com image 609x657]



Ironic that if nothing else, Benghazi is an example of the pitfalls of Government being too open and too quick to share information that was not properly confirmed.
 
2014-04-30 10:17:47 AM
Lara Logan will get to the bottom of this.
 
2014-04-30 10:17:49 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: Whatever happened to that filmmaker that made the anti-Muslim movie that is supposed to be at the root of all of this?


You mean the one that really was attributed as the cause of the protest that masked the attack?  He went to jail for violating the terms of his parole.
 
2014-04-30 10:19:58 AM

love_alice: No point in discussing the issue anymore


this guy gets it
 
2014-04-30 10:20:08 AM

Dusk-You-n-Me: Guys, the people who spent years pushing fake Iraq talking points are still upset the #Benghazi talking points weren't perfect after 5 days.- LOLGOP (@LOLGOP) April 30, 2014


Hah!
 
2014-04-30 10:20:21 AM

ikanreed: AverageAmericanGuy: Whatever happened to that filmmaker that made the anti-Muslim movie that is supposed to be at the root of all of this?

You mean the one that really was attributed as the cause of the protest that masked the attack?  He went to jail for violating the terms of his parole.


Isn't he also being sued by most of the actors from the movie who claim that he misrepresened what he was filming and completely changed everything they did via edting?
 
2014-04-30 10:22:04 AM

Calamityfox: [thelibertyprofessor.files.wordpress.com image 609x657]


This is trolling? This is all you got?

Someone get us a better class of Fark Independent around here.
 
2014-04-30 10:22:08 AM
Blaming the video was an obsession of sorts with the administration. But let's not jump to conclusions about why until those responsible for the attacks are apprehended and questioned.
 
2014-04-30 10:22:15 AM

s2s2s2: mrshowrules: Pathetic:

"We now have the smoking document," Krauthammer said, "which is the White House saying, 'We're pushing the video because we don't want to blame it on the failure of our policies.'"


Underlined part not intended to be an actual quote from an E-mail.  Also, not intended to paraphrase anything in an E-mail.

Putting that aside.

1) How is the motivation of a a terrorist attack have any bearing on whether something is a policy failure or not.  2) What detail here is something we didn't know six weeks before the 2012 Presidential elections.

Quote from the email: "To underscore that these protests are rooted in an Internet video, and not a broader failure of policy"

Yeah, nothing even similar there.


That quote does not suggest a policy failure exists.  It doesn't suggest that a falsehood is deliberately being "pushed".

Do you have a link to the E-mail?
 
2014-04-30 10:22:38 AM
This could be Obama's Katrina.  Another one to go with all the others.
 
2014-04-30 10:22:38 AM
Channelling Edward Gorey

As a rule
Pay no mind to
The man who dove
In an empty pool
 
2014-04-30 10:23:54 AM
Mmmm, looks like my GOP grinds are jumping all over this, proving there was a cover-up.

Didn't the White House acknowledge the video in question didn't cause the Benghazi attack, once they figured out what the hell went on there?

GOP and its minions continues to beat a dead horse to the finish line.
 
2014-04-30 10:26:27 AM

oldernell: This could be Obama's Katrina.  Another one to go with all the others.


You've been asleep during the last couple of years of hurricane season, haven't you?
 
2014-04-30 10:28:45 AM
Can the crazy right not even do crazy properly anymore? They're just phoning it in at this point. Yawn.

/Entertain us, you raving lunatics, or go home.
 
2014-04-30 10:28:50 AM

AirForceVet: Mmmm, looks like my GOP grinds are jumping all over this, proving there was a cover-up.

Didn't the White House acknowledge the video in question didn't cause the Benghazi attack, once they figured out what the hell went on there?

GOP and its minions continues to beat a dead horse to the finish line.


6 weeks before the 2012 election, the Administration confirmed that the attacks did arise spontaneously from the riots.  Correcting the only error they made relating to the murders.

Keep in mind that attacks did arise from the video and riots at several other embassies killing people in some cases (German Embassy for example)

Also, no one knows what motivated the attackers to this day.  Just that it was not as spontaneous as originally thought (in Libya at least).
 
2014-04-30 10:28:59 AM
Look, at this point what difference does it make that we armed Al Qaeda and Benghazi was the result of the screw up or that all the weapons from the overthrow are being used by militants around the world. We need to talk about important things. Like how a petty tyrant in New Jersey shut down a bridge.
 
2014-04-30 10:33:13 AM

EvilEgg: Do they still think they can get traction on this?  At some point you need to get out of the car and look at the tires.  Right now you're sitting on the trans-axle.


35 years of watching politics, I've never seen anything like it.
 
2014-04-30 10:34:19 AM

AirForceVet: Didn't the White House acknowledge the video in question didn't cause the Benghazi attack, once they figured out what the hell went on there?


And made that statement before the elections anyway, making the whole "pushing a lie to help him in the midterms" canard even dumber?

// or was it that the brave patriots at Fox finally shamed Obama into revealing The Truth?
 
2014-04-30 10:34:29 AM

mrshowrules: Pathetic:

"We now have the smoking document," Krauthammer said, "which is the White House saying, 'We're pushing the video because we don't want to blame it on the failure of our policies.'"


Underlined part not intended to be an actual quote from an E-mail.  Also, not intended to paraphrase anything in an E-mail.

Putting that aside.

1) How is the motivation of a a terrorist attack have any bearing on whether something is a policy failure or not.  2) What detail here is something we didn't know six weeks before the 2012 Presidential elections.


Agreed, but honestly how they can see this email as the "Smoking Gun" is beyond me.. its Rices briefing notes before the interviews for crying out loud. No where in the document does it suggest any sort of coverup is to be made. It was simply, this is the information we have now and this is what we feel Rice needs to focus on of this information. Its no more a "Smoking Gun" than Rices actual interview. If the email had said somewhere, "Hey don't talk about this being a terrorist act" then maybe.. just maybe but it doesn't.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/interactive/2014/04/29/email-links-w hi te-house-advisor-to-spin-blaming-benghazi-on-film/
(Actual Email being referenced)

This is just plain stupid at this point, yes she we know now that she had bad talking points, and at worst case scenario.. absolute worse, I'd say that the executive office probably pushed Rice and her talking points out a little too fast before they had 100% reliable and accurate information because it was a presidential election year and they wanted to get out in front of the event before republican opponents used the lack of official released information to project their own narrative on the event. Which is something that's worth criticism but is also something that any republican would have done in the same situation... "Hey Mr. President, I know your on the campaign trail but we had this attack, this is the information we know and think caused it at this time, do you want us to go with it or wait 2 to 3 weeks until we have everything confirmed?" tell me any candidate that would say wait at such a late stage in the election, every single one of them would say push what you know now before my opponents push their own "facts".
 
2014-04-30 10:43:23 AM

mrshowrules: Pathetic:

"We now have the smoking document," Krauthammer said, "which is the White House saying, 'We're pushing the video because we don't want to blame it on the failure of our policies.'"


Underlined part not intended to be an actual quote from an E-mail.  Also, not intended to paraphrase anything in an E-mail.

Putting that aside.

1) How is the motivation of a a terrorist attack have any bearing on whether something is a policy failure or not.  2) What detail here is something we didn't know six weeks before the 2012 Presidential elections.


Pretty much THIS.

FTFA: Rhodes' email was sent to several Obama administration officials, including White House press secretary Jay Carney, with the subject line, "RE: PREP Call with Susan: Saturday at 4:00 pm ET." Rhodes in the email said two of Rice's objectives would be, "To underscore that these protests are rooted in an Internet video, and not a broader failure of policy" and "To reinforce the President and Administration's strength and steadiness in dealing with difficult challenges."

How exactly is giving an official administration spokesperson speaking on television news shows instructions on how the administration situation "spun" a cover up? Especially since the President himself said it was an act of terror in his press conference on the subject.

By using this guy's standards, every Bush Administration spokesperson defending the Iraq war is part of a huge "cover up". Heck that makes the "Mission Accomplished" aircraft carrier speech the hugest "cover up" in American history rather than the ridiculous dog and pony show it was.

Political "spin", yes. A scandalous cover up, no.
 
2014-04-30 10:49:27 AM
I can see our IndependentsTM are lacking any substance this morning. BENGHAZI must be a non-stop press towards the TRUTH! You can't tucker out now, we need more easily debunkable talking points! We need more distracting internet pictures that are completely irrelevant! We need to take charge and make sure this tragedy is front and center so we never forget it!
images.sodahead.com
 
2014-04-30 10:51:13 AM
I mean, how can we possibly go on when these attacks could happen at any moment?
www.motherjones.com
 
2014-04-30 10:51:46 AM
Oh, so the republicans are still mad because in the wake of the attack Obama didn't come out immediately and help the republicans attack him by adopting their contrived political attack that Obama's failed policies are what caused the benghazi attacks?
 
2014-04-30 10:56:21 AM

mrshowrules: That quote does not suggest a policy failure exists.  It doesn't suggest that a falsehood is deliberately being "pushed".

Do you have a link to the E-mail?


I agree, but I can see how he inferred what he did, given who he is.

Link to the emails(found through the article)

It's not damning.
 
2014-04-30 10:57:23 AM

Crotchrocket Slim: love_alice: I can see we've launched the ad homonym attacks.  No point in discussing the issue anymore.

Was there ever really a point in discussing this?


i.imgur.com
 
2014-04-30 10:58:51 AM

Triple Oak: I can see our IndependentsTM are lacking any substance this morning. BENGHAZI must be a non-stop press towards the TRUTH! You can't tucker out now, we need more easily debunkable talking points! We need more distracting internet pictures that are completely irrelevant! We need to take charge and make sure this tragedy is front and center so we never forget it!
[images.sodahead.com image 850x452]


And yet, inexplicably, that image and its point bounce off of Republican heads like a superball off of concrete.
 
2014-04-30 11:00:49 AM

keldaria: mrshowrules: Pathetic:

"We now have the smoking document," Krauthammer said, "which is the White House saying, 'We're pushing the video because we don't want to blame it on the failure of our policies.'"


Underlined part not intended to be an actual quote from an E-mail.  Also, not intended to paraphrase anything in an E-mail.

Putting that aside.

1) How is the motivation of a a terrorist attack have any bearing on whether something is a policy failure or not.  2) What detail here is something we didn't know six weeks before the 2012 Presidential elections.

Agreed, but honestly how they can see this email as the "Smoking Gun" is beyond me.. its Rices briefing notes before the interviews for crying out loud. No where in the document does it suggest any sort of coverup is to be made. It was simply, this is the information we have now and this is what we feel Rice needs to focus on of this information. Its no more a "Smoking Gun" than Rices actual interview. If the email had said somewhere, "Hey don't talk about this being a terrorist act" then maybe.. just maybe but it doesn't.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/interactive/2014/04/29/email-links-w hi te-house-advisor-to-spin-blaming-benghazi-on-film/
(Actual Email being referenced)

This is just plain stupid at this point, yes she we know now that she had bad talking points, and at worst case scenario.. absolute worse, I'd say that the executive office probably pushed Rice and her talking points out a little too fast before they had 100% reliable and accurate information because it was a presidential election year and they wanted to get out in front of the event before republican opponents used the lack of official released information to project their own narrative on the event. Which is something that's worth criticism but is also something that any republican would have done in the same situation... "Hey Mr. President, I know your on the campaign trail but we had this attack, this is the information we know and ...


It's hilarious that an e-mail from Obama's speechwriter telling administration members what to emphasize in media interviews is being called the White House editing the talking points in order.to blame the video. The CIA's initial draft and all drafts afterwards say that there was a protest in reaction to the one in Cairo taking place outside the consulate in Benghazi before a group of militants fired a rocket-propelled grenade at the building: plenty of edits came afterwards on how specific they should be on hedging on how early they were in the investigation to make authoritative statements and attempts to pushes to spin between CIA and State each wanting to claim the other bore more responsibility for the lack of readiness for such a scenario, but none disputed that there was a protest.

Rhodes read the talking points and told administration representatives to emphasize that the protests that were still at that point going on throughout the Muslim world were a reaction to false claims being made by a pundit in Cairo that a film insulting Muhammad was being made by the US to mock Islam and not an expression of outrage over actual US policy. Does anyone dispute that? Other than Ansar al-Sharia and friends in Benghazi (which they themselves attributed to the video) and some of the protesters in Cairo who were there to demand the release of Omar Abdel-Rahman these attacks were the result of a frenzy stirred up by extremist clerics over a non-issue. He also told them to emphasize that American forces had the situation handled, that the threat of continued violence in the region was being minimized, and that the next goal was to find the people responsible and bring them to justice.

Yes, that certainly shows that the White House was doing everything it could to manipulate the record and create a fictitious story about protests to a film no one ever heard of before to hide the fact that terrorists exist.
 
2014-04-30 11:00:58 AM
Obama is screwed in 2016 now.
 
2014-04-30 11:05:13 AM
Is anyone really worried that Krauthammer may actually, for the first time ever, be right?
 
2014-04-30 11:05:17 AM
If that's all there is,
If that's all there is,
If that's all there is, my friends,
Then let's keep dancing...
 
2014-04-30 11:11:04 AM

Mrbogey: Look, at this point what difference does it make that we armed Al Qaeda and Benghazi was the result of the screw up or that all the weapons from the overthrow are being used by militants around the world. We need to talk about important things. Like how a petty tyrant in New Jersey shut down a bridge.


Funny you all had such huge boners about us getting involved in Libya, we did without sending our troops to die fighting someone else's civil war, and now you flimsily link it to the embassy attack. I guess you're forgetting a lot of the arms in the region were dropped off by Reagan's administration to muck of Afghanistan for the Soviets back in the 1980s.

Also, that tyrant in NJ did jeopardize lives by not having a plan for 911 service when he engaged in his entirely politically motivated shut down of a public resource.
 
2014-04-30 11:11:52 AM

Crotchrocket Slim: Mrbogey: Look, at this point what difference does it make that we armed Al Qaeda and Benghazi was the result of the screw up or that all the weapons from the overthrow are being used by militants around the world. We need to talk about important things. Like how a petty tyrant in New Jersey shut down a bridge.

Funny you all had such huge boners about us getting involved in Libya, we did without sending our troops to die fighting someone else's civil war, and now you flimsily link it to the embassy attack. I guess you're forgetting a lot of the arms in the region were dropped off by Reagan's administration to muck of Afghanistan for the Soviets back in the 1980s.

Also, that tyrant in NJ did jeopardize lives by not having a plan for 911 service when he engaged in his entirely politically motivated shut down of a public resource.


Points to you for spinning lies better than Krauthammer though
 
2014-04-30 11:13:34 AM

Cletus C.: Blaming the video was an obsession of sorts with the administration. But let's not jump to conclusions about why until those responsible for the attacks are apprehended and questioned.


How were they obsessed? They cited the video as the driving motivator of the protests, but I just don't see this emphasis on the video that people have claimed was present in the Weeners . Rice's comments on the Sundays shows mentioned that the video was the reason for the protests but was clear to say that extremists hijacked this sentiment as an excuse to launch an organized attack on the consulate.

AverageAmericanGuy: Whatever happened to that filmmaker that made the anti-Muslim movie that is supposed to be at the root of all of this?


One year prison sentence served, currently fulfilling 4 years supervised release at a halfway house. I will say that I'm a little uncomfortable that the articles cited by Wikipedia list exactly where he's staying currently; that's usually not something you want getting out on someone with multiple fatwas on his head. The fact that his part of the story faded into obscurity is a blessing when you think about it.
 
2014-04-30 11:14:21 AM

DarwiOdrade: Is anyone really worried that Krauthammer may actually, for the first time ever, be right?


That is never a valid fear to have
 
2014-04-30 11:20:11 AM

DarwiOdrade: Is anyone really worried that Krauthammer may actually, for the first time ever, be right?


Its like worrying about being eaten by chupacabras.
 
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