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2014-04-30 09:27:03 AM
"I know him: He was just thinking about stopping the guy," his wife said. "He was fit. It's just shocking that the guy was able to do that to him.


If the bad guy has a knife and you don't and you go after him, chances are you're getting cut or stabbed regardless of your physical fitness, size, or Bruce Lee knife disarming skills you may possess.

/Horrible situation
 
2014-04-30 10:22:11 AM

UberDave: "I know him: He was just thinking about stopping the guy," his wife said. "He was fit. It's just shocking that the guy was able to do that to him.


If the bad guy has a knife and you don't and you go after him, chances are you're getting cut or stabbed regardless of your physical fitness, size, or Bruce Lee knife disarming skills you may possess.

/Horrible situation


Well with bruce lee knife disarming skills you might have a shot, but even if you have a knife, in 95% of cases you gonna get stabbed.

Bring a gun to a knife fight. Just don't let them get too close.

Here's a good knife safety video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s-326WnWwWE
 
2014-04-30 12:00:54 PM

bdub77: Here's a good knife safety video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s-326WnWwWE


Before I click, is that the Indiana Jones scene?
 
2014-04-30 12:03:42 PM
They carry a knife, you carry a gun.

...wait...

That actually works this time.
 
2014-04-30 12:04:54 PM
a native or inhabitant of ... Samaria?!?
 
2014-04-30 12:05:44 PM
It was just possessions, nothing to worry about. The criminal probably needed them more anyway. It's better that the pursuer didn't have a gun because someone could have been seriously hurt.

/Ban knives
 
2014-04-30 12:06:28 PM
This is why I always bring a pack of wolves to a knife fight.
 
2014-04-30 12:07:28 PM

AngryDragon: They carry a knife, you carry a gun.

...wait...

That actually works this time.


Depends how close they are though.
 
2014-04-30 12:07:42 PM
Many years ago in Toronto there was a story like this. It was a friend of my GF at the time - nobody really knew what happened but the pieces suggested that he grabbed a baseball bat and went to help a woman being attacked and he ended up stabbed to death.
 
2014-04-30 12:07:45 PM
I wonder if this could have been avoided...
 
2014-04-30 12:08:32 PM

bdub77: UberDave: "I know him: He was just thinking about stopping the guy," his wife said. "He was fit. It's just shocking that the guy was able to do that to him.


If the bad guy has a knife and you don't and you go after him, chances are you're getting cut or stabbed regardless of your physical fitness, size, or Bruce Lee knife disarming skills you may possess.

/Horrible situation

Well with bruce lee knife disarming skills you might have a shot, but even if you have a knife, in 95% of cases you gonna get stabbed.

Bring a gun to a knife fight. Just don't let them get too close.

Here's a good knife safety video:
police knife defense video


That last 10 seconds of that is farking magnificent.
 
2014-04-30 12:09:03 PM
It was an incredibly brave thing to do. Too bad we can't give life back to those who deserve it.
 
2014-04-30 12:09:33 PM

mama2tnt: bdub77: Here's a good knife safety video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s-326WnWwWE

Before I click, is that the Indiana Jones scene?


No, I don't know what the fark that was.
 
2014-04-30 12:11:49 PM

bdub77: UberDave: "I know him: He was just thinking about stopping the guy," his wife said. "He was fit. It's just shocking that the guy was able to do that to him.


If the bad guy has a knife and you don't and you go after him, chances are you're getting cut or stabbed regardless of your physical fitness, size, or Bruce Lee knife disarming skills you may possess.

/Horrible situation

Well with bruce lee knife disarming skills you might have a shot, but even if you have a knife, in 95% of cases you gonna get stabbed.

Bring a gun to a knife fight. Just don't let them get too close.

Here's a good knife safety video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s-326WnWwWE


i have a cop friend, who also trains other cops to shot people, and he said that, for the most part, the scariest thing is a guy with a knife within x number of feet (i forgot the x).  but, basically, if they can run to you within a few seconds, that's harder to deal with than a guy with a gun.  most people with a gun get scared and can't shot well under pressure, so it's safer to be shot at then to be charged by someone with a knife.  plus, you actually need to take the knife person down quickly and he's much harder to hit.  the gun person you can wait out/shoot at to keep him down.

/ this conversation took place at a bar, so, if what I said here was nonsense, you can blame my memory, not that cop
 
2014-04-30 12:14:21 PM
If only there was a good guy with a knife around, this could have had a different outcome!
 
2014-04-30 12:14:30 PM

pute kisses like a man: bdub77: UberDave: "I know him: He was just thinking about stopping the guy," his wife said. "He was fit. It's just shocking that the guy was able to do that to him.


If the bad guy has a knife and you don't and you go after him, chances are you're getting cut or stabbed regardless of your physical fitness, size, or Bruce Lee knife disarming skills you may possess.

/Horrible situation

Well with bruce lee knife disarming skills you might have a shot, but even if you have a knife, in 95% of cases you gonna get stabbed.

Bring a gun to a knife fight. Just don't let them get too close.

Here's a good knife safety video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s-326WnWwWE

i have a cop friend, who also trains other cops to shot people, and he said that, for the most part, the scariest thing is a guy with a knife within x number of feet (i forgot the x).  but, basically, if they can run to you within a few seconds, that's harder to deal with than a guy with a gun.  most people with a gun get scared and can't shot well under pressure, so it's safer to be shot at then to be charged by someone with a knife.  plus, you actually need to take the knife person down quickly and he's much harder to hit.  the gun person you can wait out/shoot at to keep him down.

/ this conversation took place at a bar, so, if what I said here was nonsense, you can blame my memory, not that cop


Justified had a couple of good takes on that recently.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2014-04-30 12:15:26 PM
What I remember is a guy with a knife can take out a guy with a gun starting from within 10-20 feet. I couldn't, but some hypothetical guy with coordination, speed, and fighting skills could.
 
2014-04-30 12:18:03 PM
"No good deed goes unpunished."
 
2014-04-30 12:18:10 PM

bdub77: UberDave: "I know him: He was just thinking about stopping the guy," his wife said. "He was fit. It's just shocking that the guy was able to do that to him.


If the bad guy has a knife and you don't and you go after him, chances are you're getting cut or stabbed regardless of your physical fitness, size, or Bruce Lee knife disarming skills you may possess.

/Horrible situation

Well with bruce lee knife disarming skills you might have a shot, but even if you have a knife, in 95% of cases you gonna get stabbed.

Bring a gun to a knife fight. Just don't let them get too close.

Here's a good knife safety video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s-326WnWwWE


Needs more funk.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TFr30p0aZl0
 
2014-04-30 12:18:15 PM

pute kisses like a man: i have a cop friend, who also trains other cops to shot people, and he said that, for the most part, the scariest thing is a guy with a knife within x number of feet (i forgot the x).  but, basically, if they can run to you within a few seconds, that's harder to deal with than a guy with a gun.  most people with a gun get scared and can't shot well under pressure, so it's safer to be shot at then to be charged by someone with a knife.  plus, you actually need to take the knife person down quickly and he's much harder to hit.  the gun person you can wait out/shoot at to keep him down.

/ this conversation took place at a bar, so, if what I said here was nonsense, you can blame my memory, not that co


There are indeed drills in the academy for this.  21 feet is the distance.  It's also why non-cops are encouraged to practice shooting at that distance.  If someone with a knife gets within 21 feet and you don't have a firearm in hand and ready to shoot, you will get cut or stabbed.
 
2014-04-30 12:18:22 PM

pute kisses like a man: i have a cop friend, who also trains other cops to shot people, and he said that, for the most part, the scariest thing is a guy with a knife within x number of feet (i forgot the x).


21
 
2014-04-30 12:20:54 PM



www.mynameisfoxtrot.com



link clicky pops.......16 feet...mythbusters did it.
 
2014-04-30 12:21:41 PM

pute kisses like a man: bdub77: UberDave: "I know him: He was just thinking about stopping the guy," his wife said. "He was fit. It's just shocking that the guy was able to do that to him.


If the bad guy has a knife and you don't and you go after him, chances are you're getting cut or stabbed regardless of your physical fitness, size, or Bruce Lee knife disarming skills you may possess.

/Horrible situation

Well with bruce lee knife disarming skills you might have a shot, but even if you have a knife, in 95% of cases you gonna get stabbed.

Bring a gun to a knife fight. Just don't let them get too close.

Here's a good knife safety video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s-326WnWwWE

i have a cop friend, who also trains other cops to shot people, and he said that, for the most part, the scariest thing is a guy with a knife within x number of feet (i forgot the x).  but, basically, if they can run to you within a few seconds, that's harder to deal with than a guy with a gun.  most people with a gun get scared and can't shot well under pressure, so it's safer to be shot at then to be charged by someone with a knife.  plus, you actually need to take the knife person down quickly and he's much harder to hit.  the gun person you can wait out/shoot at to keep him down.

/ this conversation took place at a bar, so, if what I said here was nonsense, you can blame my memory, not that cop


Your cop buddy was citing something called the Tueller Drill:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tueller_Drill

It also goes by the more common name of the 21' Rule; no matter how well armed and ready you are, someone with a knife within 21' of you can initiate an attack and likely stab you before you can react. It's been cited in court (successfully) numerous times for those cases where the cops shoot someone with a knife.

Also know - even if you DO get rounds on someone coming at you with a knife, people typically don't die instantly when shot. Dr Martin Fackler has shown that even blowing the bad guy's heart out, they are still fully combat effective for about 15 seconds. Doesn't sound like a lot of time, but 15 seconds of a dude flailing with a knife on top of you is long enough that it can be a lifetime.
 
2014-04-30 12:22:11 PM

pute kisses like a man: i have a cop friend, who also trains other cops to shot people, and he said that, for the most part, the scariest thing is a guy with a knife within x number of feet (i forgot the x).  but, basically, if they can run to you within a few seconds, that's harder to deal with than a guy with a gun.


www.nerdcoremovement.com
"Y'all ever hear of the 21-foot rule?"
 
2014-04-30 12:22:14 PM
Charge a gun
Run from a knife
 
2014-04-30 12:22:57 PM

Bslim: I wonder if this could have been avoided...



Are you suggesting the guy was an idiot and common people should not involve themselves in stopping crime or something more philosophical?

Some people live in areas where the cops don't come until/unless someone is dead? At some point the dam breaks for the common man.


images.amcnetworks.com


Also to lighten the mood

cdn.niketalk.com
 
2014-04-30 12:23:56 PM

AngryDragon: pute kisses like a man: i have a cop friend, who also trains other cops to shot people, and he said that, for the most part, the scariest thing is a guy with a knife within x number of feet (i forgot the x).  but, basically, if they can run to you within a few seconds, that's harder to deal with than a guy with a gun.  most people with a gun get scared and can't shot well under pressure, so it's safer to be shot at then to be charged by someone with a knife.  plus, you actually need to take the knife person down quickly and he's much harder to hit.  the gun person you can wait out/shoot at to keep him down.

/ this conversation took place at a bar, so, if what I said here was nonsense, you can blame my memory, not that co

There are indeed drills in the academy for this.  21 feet is the distance.  It's also why non-cops are encouraged to practice shooting at that distance.  If someone with a knife gets within 21 feet and you don't have a firearm in hand and ready to shoot, you will get cut or stabbed.


Or you could, you know, move
 
2014-04-30 12:24:07 PM
www.theblaze.com

/RIP
 
2014-04-30 12:24:26 PM

Carn: This is why I always bring a pack of wolves to a knife fight.


As long as you don't bring a gun to a clank fight
www.girlgeniusonline.com
 
2014-04-30 12:24:33 PM
You got to read the derpmments at the bottom of that article
 
2014-04-30 12:26:29 PM
pute kisses like a man:i have a cop friend, who also trains other cops to shot people, and he said that, for the most part, the scariest thing is a guy with a knife within x number of feet (i forgot the x).  but, basically, if they can run to you within a few seconds, that's harder to deal with than a guy with a gun.  most people with a gun get scared and can't shot well under pressure, so it's safer to be shot at then to be charged by someone with a knife.  plus, you actually need to take the knife person down quickly and he's much harder to hit.  the gun person you can wait out/shoot at to keep him down.

/ this conversation took place at a bar, so, if what I said here was nonsense, you can blame my memory, not that cop


You can see for yourself here:   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2fjMpn7JCJ0
 
2014-04-30 12:26:48 PM

Click Click D'oh: pute kisses like a man: i have a cop friend, who also trains other cops to shot people, and he said that, for the most part, the scariest thing is a guy with a knife within x number of feet (i forgot the x).

21


Never bring a measuring tape to a knife fight.
 
2014-04-30 12:28:05 PM

UberDave: "I know him: He was just thinking about stopping the guy," his wife said. "He was fit. It's just shocking that the guy was able to do that to him.


If the bad guy has a knife and you don't and you go after him, chances are you're getting cut or stabbed regardless of your physical fitness, size, or Bruce Lee knife disarming skills you may possess.

/Horrible situation


Funny thing is, even Bruce Lee said you shouldn't try to win a knife fight bare-handed. Even to a skilled martial artist, knives are a game changer.
 
2014-04-30 12:30:48 PM

Carn: This is why I always bring a pack of wolves to a knife fight.


Do you have a CPoWL? No?  That's a jailin'
 
2014-04-30 12:44:45 PM
If the good samaritan had a gun we'd have a dead crook and a live hero.


The good guy would probably appreciate that at least this bad guy will spend life in jail now instead of the slap on the wrist he would have gotten for the purse snatching.
 
2014-04-30 12:46:37 PM
Holy crap. Did anyone read the comments? I guess if you want to find racists, look no further.

"No description of the perp. We know what that means.
And since the victim dared to give chase, Obama's son was just defending himself from a creepy cracka. "

"Was this guy just another one of Obama's dreamers trying to live the American dream? "
 
2014-04-30 12:46:58 PM
I hope they donated some of his powerful organs.
 
2014-04-30 12:48:23 PM

s1ugg0: pute kisses like a man:i have a cop friend, who also trains other cops to shot people, and he said that, for the most part, the scariest thing is a guy with a knife within x number of feet (i forgot the x).  but, basically, if they can run to you within a few seconds, that's harder to deal with than a guy with a gun.  most people with a gun get scared and can't shot well under pressure, so it's safer to be shot at then to be charged by someone with a knife.  plus, you actually need to take the knife person down quickly and he's much harder to hit.  the gun person you can wait out/shoot at to keep him down.

/ this conversation took place at a bar, so, if what I said here was nonsense, you can blame my memory, not that cop

You can see for yourself here:   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2fjMpn7JCJ0


21 feet is the magic number.
 
2014-04-30 12:50:39 PM
Ray Davies sadly nods...
 
2014-04-30 12:51:47 PM

The Irresponsible Captain: It was an incredibly brave thing to do. Too bad we can't give life back to those who deserve it.


It was an incredibly stupid thing to do.  Everything in that purse was not worth dying over.  Can we stop thinking we are living in movies now?  If someone robs you, you let them take the stuff and get as much info as you can.

That's why they tell cashiers to give up the money, your life is not worth whatever that measly little bit of cash that you have on you.

He could have chased to get get general location and fleeing route but you never get that close, ffs he already stabbed one person you really think he wouldn't do it again?
 
2014-04-30 12:54:46 PM
girlygamer.com.au

He died well!
 
2014-04-30 01:03:25 PM

youmightberight: s1ugg0: pute kisses like a man:i have a cop friend, who also trains other cops to shot people, and he said that, for the most part, the scariest thing is a guy with a knife within x number of feet (i forgot the x).  but, basically, if they can run to you within a few seconds, that's harder to deal with than a guy with a gun.  most people with a gun get scared and can't shot well under pressure, so it's safer to be shot at then to be charged by someone with a knife.  plus, you actually need to take the knife person down quickly and he's much harder to hit.  the gun person you can wait out/shoot at to keep him down.

/ this conversation took place at a bar, so, if what I said here was nonsense, you can blame my memory, not that cop

You can see for yourself here:   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2fjMpn7JCJ0

21 feet is the magic number.


I just watched funker tactical and instructor zero - that's an interesting tactic but it isn't applicable to all situations.

Check out some of the appendix carry videos for speed of deployment.
 
2014-04-30 01:09:21 PM

AngryDragon: They carry a knife, you carry a gun.

...wait...

That actually works this time.


If only the gun had a knife.
 
2014-04-30 01:14:29 PM

phimuskapsi: Holy crap. Did anyone read the comments? I guess if you want to find racists, look no further.

"No description of the perp. We know what that means.
And since the victim dared to give chase, Obama's son was just defending himself from a creepy cracka. "

"Was this guy just another one of Obama's dreamers trying to live the American dream? "


And apparently teenagers in Switzerland are all carrying machine guns.
 
2014-04-30 01:16:35 PM

Bullseyed: If the good samaritan had a gun we'd have a dead crook and a live hero.


The good guy would probably appreciate that at least this bad guy will spend life in jail now instead of the slap on the wrist he would have gotten for the purse snatching.


He stabbed the woman he stole the purse from. That's part of why the Samaritan gave chase.

Look, I'm sure I'd be a coward just like you, but that doesn't mean everyone else is.
 
2014-04-30 01:21:31 PM
Was it an assault Knife? We should definitely ban those
 
2014-04-30 01:22:47 PM

blank_czech: Carn: This is why I always bring a pack of wolves to a knife fight.

Do you have a CPoWL? No?  That's a jailin'


What if I don't carry them but have leashes for them.  Of course I have invented a device that detects imminent danger on my person which instantly detaches the leashes and shouts the command word (which of course is sic balls) to my wolves.  Totally legal.
 
2014-04-30 01:28:53 PM

Agent Smiths Laugh: [girlygamer.com.au image 500x575]

He died well!


It was a good day to die.

(I guess "sad" tag just barely beat out "hero" tag.)
 
2014-04-30 01:43:21 PM

Pangea: Bullseyed: If the good samaritan had a gun we'd have a dead crook and a live hero.


The good guy would probably appreciate that at least this bad guy will spend life in jail now instead of the slap on the wrist he would have gotten for the purse snatching.

He stabbed the woman he stole the purse from. That's part of why the Samaritan gave chase.

Look, I'm sure I'd be a coward just like you, but that doesn't mean everyone else is.


Not cowardly, sensible.

The woman being robbed was stabbed, let the purse go and tend to her wounds.
Even a person trained in defense against a person with a knife wouldn't have given chase.  No one plans on getting stabbed but even a doofus can manage a lucky strike against a trained opponent.
 
2014-04-30 01:48:17 PM
First thing I learned in boot camp regarding fighting someone with a knife: "Realize you WILL get cut. That way when it happens you won't freak out too badly".
 
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