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2014-04-30 07:17:36 AM  
Fox picks up, cancels scifi show. News at 11.
 
2014-04-30 07:24:43 AM  
Too many zombie shows.
 
2014-04-30 07:29:24 AM  
I know I said this after all their dicking around with Fringe, but I am seriously never investing my time in another Fox show again,  There's no point.  I'm all cable and Netflix from here on out.

Fox did everything possible to sabotage that show and by the time it started coming together, it was too late.  Too bad - very solid concept, excellent production values and a great cast.  Another fox bed shiatting.
 
2014-04-30 07:42:13 AM  
Is this where I point out they played the episodes out of order, so it's just like Firefly?

Also, it was mostly just a cop show in the future, which I guess is sci-fi, but in my brain it just counts as a twist on the procedural cop drama.  Although there were those references to 'The Wall' that sounds like it would have pulled the show fully into a sci-fi designation.
 
2014-04-30 07:47:19 AM  

Delta1212: Fox picks up, cancels scifi show. News at 11.


"Sleepy Hollow" will be back in the fall.
 
2014-04-30 07:48:23 AM  

squegeebooo: Is this where I point out they played the episodes out of order, so it's just like Firefly?


How do you figure they were out of order?  I mean granted it seems like there was a longer story arc over the series, but it felt like we never had the payoff, and now thanks to Fox we never will.

/was looking forward to John Larroquette re-appearing with a robot army tearing down the wall
//TEAR DOWN THE WALL!  TEAR DOWN THE WALL!
 
2014-04-30 07:48:49 AM  

squegeebooo: Also, it was mostly just a cop show in the future


upload.wikimedia.org
 
2014-04-30 07:50:40 AM  
Another point:  instead of cancelling shows, why don't they move shows that have somewhat of a following over to FX?
 
2014-04-30 07:52:27 AM  

bluorangefyre: Another point:  instead of cancelling shows, why don't they move shows that have somewhat of a following over to FX?


Like  Terriers?
 
2014-04-30 07:54:08 AM  

bluorangefyre: squegeebooo: Is this where I point out they played the episodes out of order, so it's just like Firefly?

How do you figure they were out of order?  I mean granted it seems like there was a longer story arc over the series, but it felt like we never had the payoff, and now thanks to Fox we never will.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Almost_Human_(TV_series)#Episodes

The ordered aired was Pilot, 5-8, 3, 10, 2, 9, 4, 11-13

It was a mess, and destroyed continuity.  Thanks, Fox.
 
2014-04-30 07:54:12 AM  

bluorangefyre: squegeebooo: Is this where I point out they played the episodes out of order, so it's just like Firefly?

How do you figure they were out of order?  I mean granted it seems like there was a longer story arc over the series, but it felt like we never had the payoff, and now thanks to Fox we never will.

/was looking forward to John Larroquette re-appearing with a robot army tearing down the wall
//TEAR DOWN THE WALL!  TEAR DOWN THE WALL!


All the stories etc that have shown up since the show started about it being played out of order?  Also, from the wiki

The order of the episodes that aired on Fox differs from the order intended by J. H. Wyman, the series' showrunner. However, due to the (largely) self-contained nature of these episodes, this does not create significant discontinuity.

Didn't you wonder at all how he went from hating robots to being BFF's with the black cop in the second episode?  That's cause it was supposed to be episode 4 or 5 if I remember correctly.
 
2014-04-30 07:54:46 AM  

OtherLittleGuy: squegeebooo: Also, it was mostly just a cop show in the future

[upload.wikimedia.org image 320x250]


Alien Nation was awesome.  And, so, killed by Fox.
 
2014-04-30 08:05:16 AM  
sumbiatch
 
2014-04-30 08:05:21 AM  

elvindeath: I know I said this after all their dicking around with Fringe, but I am seriously never investing my time in another Fox show again,  There's no point.  I'm all cable and Netflix from here on out.


That is why I was  very reluctant to start watching Brooklyn Nine-Nine. Fortunately, they are sticking with it.

If it's sci-fi and it's Fox, it will not last very long outside of some extreme examples (e.g. Fringe). Just don't bother.
 
2014-04-30 08:06:04 AM  
Don't scan my balls again.

Ever.
 
2014-04-30 08:12:52 AM  

bluorangefyre: squegeebooo: Is this where I point out they played the episodes out of order, so it's just like Firefly?

How do you figure they were out of order?  I mean granted it seems like there was a longer story arc over the series, but it felt like we never had the payoff, and now thanks to Fox we never will.

/was looking forward to John Larroquette re-appearing with a robot army tearing down the wall
//TEAR DOWN THE WALL!  TEAR DOWN THE WALL!


Yeah, I wanted an explanation about the wall. It intrigued me a bit. Oh well.
 
2014-04-30 08:18:08 AM  
I didn't find out about this show until it only had 2 episodes left in the season to air, so I went back and watched it from the beginning before catching the final 2. Ealy and Urban had pretty good chemistry together and the concept of the show (beyond the procedural part) was interesting. They had some interesting ideas about how tech would be used and abused. I like that despite it being the first season they had a longer arc going in the background about Urban's girlfriend and the stuff with the wall. Sad to see it go, but this is Fox, so I guess I can't be surprised.

/yay first greenlight
 
2014-04-30 08:20:06 AM  

Wolf892: MagSeven: bluorangefyre: squegeebooo: Is this where I point out they played the episodes out of order, so it's just like Firefly?

How do you figure they were out of order?  I mean granted it seems like there was a longer story arc over the series, but it felt like we never had the payoff, and now thanks to Fox we never will.

/was looking forward to John Larroquette re-appearing with a robot army tearing down the wall
//TEAR DOWN THE WALL!  TEAR DOWN THE WALL!

Yeah, I wanted an explanation about the wall. It intrigued me a bit. Oh well.

I figured the wall was going to end up being something similar to Judge Dredd, with outcasts being tossed over the wall. And that the terrorist organization was going to turn out to somehow be good guys trying to bring down the wall and restore equality between the two classes.


Was there ever a reason given why the city was walled in? Nuclear war or just safety of the city itself?
 
2014-04-30 08:20:30 AM  
I'm a little surprised. I have up about halfway through but intended to catch up this summer when I had more time. The show was getting better ratings when it went off the air than anything else is getting on Fox right now and it seemed like perfect schedule spackle. You can put it on any night, debut it any time and it will pull on decent numbers. Especially with X-Factor gone I figured they'd have enough space to need a show like that. Oh well.
 
2014-04-30 08:24:13 AM  

Wolf892: I sometimes wonder if the reason these sci fi/fantasy shows are cancelled so quickly is because the audience for them is outsmarting themselves.... Instead of tuning in when they tell us to and on the channel they tell us to, we torrent or stream, or whatever these shows and watch them whenever we want, usually commercial free.

Does this skew the ratings? Making it seem like there's less of an audience than there really is?


Networks are well aware of how many people stream/torrent/DVR, but they generally don't care about those numbers because if you aren't watching the advertisements it doesn't matter. Those ads are what help pay for the show; if you aren't watching them, they won't get the cash to fund the show.

Hulu has ads, but apparently the amount of money they make from those are minuscule compared to live TV.
 
2014-04-30 08:28:10 AM  

MagSeven: Wolf892: MagSeven: bluorangefyre: squegeebooo: Is this where I point out they played the episodes out of order, so it's just like Firefly?

How do you figure they were out of order?  I mean granted it seems like there was a longer story arc over the series, but it felt like we never had the payoff, and now thanks to Fox we never will.

/was looking forward to John Larroquette re-appearing with a robot army tearing down the wall
//TEAR DOWN THE WALL!  TEAR DOWN THE WALL!

Yeah, I wanted an explanation about the wall. It intrigued me a bit. Oh well.

I figured the wall was going to end up being something similar to Judge Dredd, with outcasts being tossed over the wall. And that the terrorist organization was going to turn out to somehow be good guys trying to bring down the wall and restore equality between the two classes.

Was there ever a reason given why the city was walled in? Nuclear war or just safety of the city itself?


It's an experiment to correct genetic damage in the population.
 
2014-04-30 08:30:50 AM  
Less Minka Kelly is bad for everybody.
 
2014-04-30 08:35:12 AM  
grumpycatgood.jpg

Stupid show, from the very first commercial.

Human = WHITE GUY
ALMOST HUMAN = black guy

/can't believe they had the chutzpah to even broadcast that garbage
 
2014-04-30 08:41:37 AM  

elvindeath: I know I said this after all their dicking around with Fringe, but I am seriously never investing my time in another Fox show again,  There's no point.  I'm all cable and Netflix from here on out.

Fox did everything possible to sabotage that show and by the time it started coming together, it was too late.  Too bad - very solid concept, excellent production values and a great cast.  Another fox bed shiatting.


After the mass cancellations a few years back (Caprica, Stargate Universe, V, The Event, Flash Forward, and I'm sure I'm missing something else) I won't start any of these shows again.  Were these terrible shows?  With the exception of SGU, yes, but they could have gotten better given time to develop.  I'm watching Walking Dead as it airs, but everything else will be catch-ups on Netflix.

I was really surprised the post-apoc show on syfy (Coventry?) is coming back.   Watched the first episode against my better judgement and it was terrible, even by syfy standards.
 
2014-04-30 08:44:34 AM  
Bastards...

I enjoyed the show.  Might not be the greatest show ever made, but not everything can be Battlestar Galactica.
 
2014-04-30 08:56:31 AM  

OtherLittleGuy: Delta1212: Fox picks up, cancels scifi show. News at 11.

"Sleepy Hollow" will be back in the fall.


That show is too good to survive much longer on Fox. I'm sure some it's only a matter of time before some Fox exec realizes they haven't moved it around on the schedule yet. Oh and sine it is actually getting decent ratings some specials need to be run in its time slot.

/not bitter
 
2014-04-30 09:00:25 AM  

Wolf892: MagSeven: Wolf892: MagSeven: bluorangefyre: squegeebooo: Is this where I point out they played the episodes out of order, so it's just like Firefly?

How do you figure they were out of order?  I mean granted it seems like there was a longer story arc over the series, but it felt like we never had the payoff, and now thanks to Fox we never will.

/was looking forward to John Larroquette re-appearing with a robot army tearing down the wall
//TEAR DOWN THE WALL!  TEAR DOWN THE WALL!

Yeah, I wanted an explanation about the wall. It intrigued me a bit. Oh well.

I figured the wall was going to end up being something similar to Judge Dredd, with outcasts being tossed over the wall. And that the terrorist organization was going to turn out to somehow be good guys trying to bring down the wall and restore equality between the two classes.

Was there ever a reason given why the city was walled in? Nuclear war or just safety of the city itself?

Not that I caught. I just figured they were planting the seeds for a much larger story arc later down the road so the idea of a "wall" didn't just come out of left field.


And they appear to go upstate a few times in the series, once to a cabin, and once to a rich suburb, so it's just a portion of the city that is walled off.  I'm wondering if one of the boroughs has been walled in for some reason.  nuclear/chemical attack, aliens, whatever.
 
2014-04-30 09:02:22 AM  
Well crap! Fark you, Fox.
 
2014-04-30 09:02:38 AM  
JH Wyman (not his name) is from Montreal and, oh, the stories I could tell.
 
2014-04-30 09:12:01 AM  

phillydrifter: grumpycatgood.jpg

Stupid show, from the very first commercial.

Human = WHITE GUY
ALMOST HUMAN = black guy

/can't believe they had the chutzpah to even broadcast that garbage


6/10. You may get some people to bite on that one.
 
2014-04-30 09:12:50 AM  
fark fox with a rusty chainsaw
 
2014-04-30 09:22:29 AM  
Meant to watch this show, guess now that's it's canceled I can do a binge watch during the summer or over a weekend.
 
2014-04-30 09:34:51 AM  
I watched the whole thing but I'm not particularly sad to see it go. It had potential but the writers didn't seem to have the chops to actually live up to it. The chemistry between the main two was good but the other characters were incredibly flat. They had a couple of good tech episodes but others were dumb or seemed strongly and irrationally technophobic (like the "darknet" one). They set up possible arcs with the Insyndicate, the Wall, and the scientist creating an army of androids but didn't do anything to flesh any of it out.
 
2014-04-30 09:37:32 AM  

Wolf892: I really liked this show.

I sometimes wonder if the reason these sci fi/fantasy shows are cancelled so quickly is because the audience for them is outsmarting themselves.... Instead of tuning in when they tell us to and on the channel they tell us to, we torrent or stream, or whatever these shows and watch them whenever we want, usually commercial free.

Does this skew the ratings? Making it seem like there's less of an audience than there really is?


No. Ratings don't work like that.
 
2014-04-30 09:42:15 AM  
I wondered about the continuity thing. It seemed a few times they were referencing things that hadn't happened yet. That being said, the writing was kind of weak but no as weak as The Following's. Dear lord that show sucks.
 
2014-04-30 10:03:13 AM  

Keywork99: Wolf892: I sometimes wonder if the reason these sci fi/fantasy shows are cancelled so quickly is because the audience for them is outsmarting themselves.... Instead of tuning in when they tell us to and on the channel they tell us to, we torrent or stream, or whatever these shows and watch them whenever we want, usually commercial free.

Does this skew the ratings? Making it seem like there's less of an audience than there really is?

Networks are well aware of how many people stream/torrent/DVR, but they generally don't care about those numbers because if you aren't watching the advertisements it doesn't matter. Those ads are what help pay for the show; if you aren't watching them, they won't get the cash to fund the show.

Hulu has ads, but apparently the amount of money they make from those are minuscule compared to live TV.


Also, if you don't have a Nielsen box, it doesn't matter what you do because it isn't counted.
 
2014-04-30 10:07:46 AM  
This is/was a great show.  It's the first non-premium show I have watched regularly in a LONG time.  Characters were interesting, the acting was top notch and the premise was fresh.  How does a show like this get cancelled?
 
2014-04-30 10:15:30 AM  

bluorangefyre: Another point:  instead of cancelling shows, why don't they move shows that have somewhat of a following over to FX?


Budget per episode on Fox:  $X
Budget per episode on FX:  $X/10

Sci-fi ain't cheap.
 
2014-04-30 10:15:34 AM  
THIS is the exact reason I won't get into network series' anymore. I said I wouldn't anymore, and this show got my attention, and then this.

Fark Fox
 
2014-04-30 10:19:31 AM  

usttsdw: THIS is the exact reason I won't get into network series' anymore. I said I wouldn't anymore, and this show got my attention, and then this.


I will start watching a show mid-way through season two once it has been renewed for season three.  Been burned too many times.
 
2014-04-30 10:25:17 AM  

OtherLittleGuy: Delta1212: Fox picks up, cancels scifi show. News at 11.

"Sleepy Hollow" will be back in the fall.


Love that show.  Doesn't take itself too seriously, which makes it fun to watch.

Ichabod Crane: [about the cost of the food he just ate] What's insane is a ten-percent levy on baked goods. You do realize the Revolutionary War began on less than two percent? How is the public not flocking to the streets in outrage? We must do something.
Lt. Abbie Mills: Here's what we can do: no more first-hand accounts of witches or founding fathers. Or donut tax outrage unless you want to be sent back to the asylum.
Ichabod Crane: Point taken.
 
2014-04-30 10:36:28 AM  

mjbok: usttsdw: THIS is the exact reason I won't get into network series' anymore. I said I wouldn't anymore, and this show got my attention, and then this.

I will start watching a show mid-way through season two once it has been renewed for season three.  Been burned too many times.


Probably a good idea.
 
2014-04-30 10:40:30 AM  

whooter: bluorangefyre: squegeebooo: Is this where I point out they played the episodes out of order, so it's just like Firefly?
How do you figure they were out of order?  I mean granted it seems like there was a longer story arc over the series, but it felt like we never had the payoff, and now thanks to Fox we never will.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Almost_Human_(TV_series)#Episodes
The ordered aired was Pilot, 5-8, 3, 10, 2, 9, 4, 11-13
It was a mess, and destroyed continuity.  Thanks, Fox.


Look at the article again. The lead writer himself said that airing the episodes out of order wouldn't affect much in the story. If you can jump from episode 10 to episode 2 without affecting anything, then your show has zero character development.

And that is what I blame for the show being canceled - its episodic nature. It was a good universe with great characters. But for some reason, the powers that be couldn't decide if they wanted it to be a scripted series or simply a police procedural in futuristic trappings. It failed at both. Catching viewers early in a major, overreaching story arc would have paid off huge by the end of the season. Viewers wouldn't have been scratching their head saying "oh, that was the season finale?" Instead, they would spend the entire offseason wanting its return.

Personally, I hope this is the nail in the coffin of episodic science fiction. But I'm probably still in the minority.
 
2014-04-30 10:43:47 AM  
It was still a little rough around the edges, but starting to hit it's stride.  Another season and it would have been great.   But only shows that are mega names out of the gate or have the full backing of the network (Agents of Shield) get to stick around and have time to work through growing pains anymore.
 
2014-04-30 10:46:13 AM  

Mad_Radhu: Keywork99: Wolf892: I sometimes wonder if the reason these sci fi/fantasy shows are cancelled so quickly is because the audience for them is outsmarting themselves.... Instead of tuning in when they tell us to and on the channel they tell us to, we torrent or stream, or whatever these shows and watch them whenever we want, usually commercial free.

Does this skew the ratings? Making it seem like there's less of an audience than there really is?

Networks are well aware of how many people stream/torrent/DVR, but they generally don't care about those numbers because if you aren't watching the advertisements it doesn't matter. Those ads are what help pay for the show; if you aren't watching them, they won't get the cash to fund the show.

Hulu has ads, but apparently the amount of money they make from those are minuscule compared to live TV.

Also, if you don't have a Nielsen box, it doesn't matter what you do because it isn't counted.


You would think by this time they would be able to count ratings from a general cable box. I have U-Verse and it's all digital cable, and my box even has an ethernet port. You're telling me Neilsen can't figure out some way to work with the cable companies and get some tracking stuff into these boxes?
 
2014-04-30 10:48:00 AM  

usttsdw: Probably a good idea.


One of the things that I really like to do is to find a series that might interest me that is 3-4 seasons in and start binge watching.  Works especially good for shows like LOST.
 
2014-04-30 10:56:15 AM  

Keywork99: Mad_Radhu: Keywork99: Wolf892: I sometimes wonder if the reason these sci fi/fantasy shows are cancelled so quickly is because the audience for them is outsmarting themselves.... Instead of tuning in when they tell us to and on the channel they tell us to, we torrent or stream, or whatever these shows and watch them whenever we want, usually commercial free.

Does this skew the ratings? Making it seem like there's less of an audience than there really is?

Networks are well aware of how many people stream/torrent/DVR, but they generally don't care about those numbers because if you aren't watching the advertisements it doesn't matter. Those ads are what help pay for the show; if you aren't watching them, they won't get the cash to fund the show.

Hulu has ads, but apparently the amount of money they make from those are minuscule compared to live TV.

Also, if you don't have a Nielsen box, it doesn't matter what you do because it isn't counted.

You would think by this time they would be able to count ratings from a general cable box. I have U-Verse and it's all digital cable, and my box even has an ethernet port. You're telling me Neilsen can't figure out some way to work with the cable companies and get some tracking stuff into these boxes?


It wouldn't be a valid sampling.  For starters, it would ignore the 10% of homes who don't have pay television as well as the homes who don't have digital cable (I don't know how many of those there are).  Secondly, your cable box doesn't give Nielsen the kind of demographic data that advertisers crave.  Is a 30-year old watching?  Or a 10-year old or a 60-year old?  Is the viewer a man or woman?  What is his/her income?  Does he/she live in a house or an apartment?  Is he/she married or single?  Kids or no kids?  Nielsen knows all of these factors of its sample, but just taking the raw data from digital cable boxes wouldn't have any of that demographic information, which is what advertisers really want.
 
2014-04-30 11:01:20 AM  
Keywork99:
You would think by this time they would be able to count ratings from a general cable box. I have U-Verse and it's all digital cable, and my box even has an ethernet port. You're telling me Neilsen can't figure out some way to work with the cable companies and get some tracking stuff into these boxes?

No, there's a lot of things that they track that the normal cable box doesn't capture, like how many people were in the room watching, what their ages were, etc. They actually came by and wanted to sign us up as a family, but my wife vetoed it due to the ridiculous amount of extra boxes they would be hooking up to our TV and the extra remote we'd have to use to tell them who we were. You'd really need an Xbox One app to be able to automatically gather all the info they track.
 
2014-04-30 11:18:28 AM  

clkeagle: whooter: bluorangefyre: squegeebooo: Is this where I point out they played the episodes out of order, so it's just like Firefly?How do you figure they were out of order? I mean granted it seems like there was a longer story arc over the series, but it felt like we never had the payoff, and now thanks to Fox we never will.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Almost_Human_(TV_series)#EpisodesThe ordered aired was Pilot, 5-8, 3, 10, 2, 9, 4, 11-13It was a mess, and destroyed continuity. Thanks, Fox.
Look at the article again. The lead writer himself said that airing the episodes out of order wouldn't affect much in the story. If you can jump from episode 10 to episode 2 without affecting anything, then your show has zero character development.


I agree. I watched every episode  and it never struck me as a show that needed to be watched in order. I marathoned the first 6 episodes and didn't even realize that they were out of order until I read it online.
 
2014-04-30 11:19:15 AM  
Is there any chance of another network picking this up?
 
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