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2014-04-29 09:55:34 PM  
Ahhhhh, the American experiment marches into the future.
 
2014-04-29 10:02:08 PM  
I guess all the bloodthirsty folks in the last thread got their wish.
 
2014-04-29 10:02:46 PM  
Damn. Better than my headline.

/back to the drawing board
 
2014-04-29 10:04:19 PM  
all the other headlines were bad.
 
2014-04-29 10:06:21 PM  
No partial credit Governor.
 
2014-04-29 10:10:48 PM  
Bring back garroting.
 
2014-04-29 10:13:45 PM  

sprgrss: Bring back garroting.


Will you attest to it's non-torturey nature?
 
2014-04-29 10:20:19 PM  
So who is going to be charged with his murder?
 
2014-04-29 10:20:35 PM  
It ain't cruel and it ain't unusual.  Let's Roll!
 
2014-04-29 10:21:10 PM  

cretinbob: So who is going to be charged with his murder?


Jesus
 
2014-04-29 10:23:17 PM  
Nice one, subbs.  Very nice.


/this reads like a comedy of errors  http://kfor.com/2014/04/27/debate-over-two-death-row-inmates-is-over- e xecution-set/
 
2014-04-29 10:23:54 PM  

Nothing, nothing, nothing can possibly top ABC News's headline.

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2014-04-29 10:24:33 PM  
Oh, so an untested death cocktail had unexpected side effects? No one saw that coming - oh wait, everyone saw that coming. I hope his family sues the shiat out of the county.
 
2014-04-29 10:25:39 PM  

ox45tallboy: Nothing, nothing, nothing can possibly top ABC News's headline.

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Hahahahaha! That took me a second reading.

At first I was all, "Wut?"
Then I was all, "Lol."
 
2014-04-29 10:25:45 PM  
Don't get me wrong, it's a better death than he deserved, but if you're going to execute people, it must be done properly, humanely.
 
2014-04-29 10:31:43 PM  

vartian: Oh, so an untested death cocktail had unexpected side effects? No one saw that coming - oh wait, everyone saw that coming. I hope his family sues the shiat out of the county.


I farking hate this. I hope they sue, but they won't win.
 
2014-04-29 10:32:34 PM  

basemetal: Nice one, subbs.  Very nice.


/this reads like a comedy of errors  http://kfor.com/2014/04/27/debate-over-two-death-row-inmates-is-over- e xecution-set/


You dared me, sooooo....
 
2014-04-29 10:32:55 PM  

vartian: Oh, so an untested death cocktail had unexpected side effects? No one saw that coming - oh wait, everyone saw that coming. I hope his family sues the shiat out of the county.


Oh its even better.
IIRC, the courts told the State that they were not permitted to go forward with the executions, and the Governor said "Fark you, I kill who I want", and had the first execution go forward as planned.

That said, the courts may have reversed their course, because the article i remember reading was a few weeks ago, and things may have changed since then.
 
2014-04-29 10:35:11 PM  

kimwim: I farking hate this. I hope they sue, but they won't win.


Perhaps not, but it will still cost them to defend themselves. And it could set precedent for future legal action when they try it again. It is a cheap victory, but I'd be happy with making the death penalty finically untenable.
 
2014-04-29 10:37:24 PM  

SilentStrider: IIRC, the courts told the State that they were not permitted to go forward with the executions, and the Governor said "Fark you, I kill who I want", and had the first execution go forward as planned.


And I'm sure he is just completely broken up about it. The county should be sued, and the Governor should see jail time.
 
2014-04-29 10:39:05 PM  

vartian: And I'm sure he is just completely broken up about it. The county should be sued, and the Governor should see jail time


if you mean the Governor, its a she.
Appropriately named "Mary Fallin"
 
2014-04-29 10:42:00 PM  

SilentStrider: vartian: Oh, so an untested death cocktail had unexpected side effects? No one saw that coming - oh wait, everyone saw that coming. I hope his family sues the shiat out of the county.

Oh its even better.
IIRC, the courts told the State that they were not permitted to go forward with the executions, and the Governor said "Fark you, I kill who I want", and had the first execution go forward as planned.

That said, the courts may have reversed their course, because the article i remember reading was a few weeks ago, and things may have changed since then.


Oh, it's worse.  Not only did she defy the order, but state legislators threatened to impeach the justices, who promptly reversed their ruling.  Fallin then moved up the date of execution to today.  All three branches of the government failed horribly.
 
2014-04-29 10:43:41 PM  

Mentat: Oh, it's worse. Not only did she defy the order, but state legislators threatened to impeach the justices, who promptly reversed their ruling.


ahh ok, i missed that development.
 
2014-04-29 10:49:01 PM  
By firing squad, no hood, cigarette. I would freak the hell out being strapped to a table and a needle shoved in my arm.

Not csb: as a child I got a splinter lodged under my fingernail, way down. At the clinic, six people held me down while the doc used a hypodermic needle to fish it out. Good times, good times.
 
2014-04-29 10:53:39 PM  
Why can't they use the same drugs they Euthanize pets with?  That stuff seems pretty humane.
 
2014-04-29 10:54:12 PM  

PreMortem: splinter lodged


Happened to my mom, more like a log. Dad had to remove it, and they taped it to the side of the fridge. Mom passed away 13 years ago, and the splinter is still there. It was that impressive.
 
2014-04-29 11:06:28 PM  
Is it just me or is the link screwed?
 
2014-04-29 11:07:22 PM  

SilentStrider: vartian: And I'm sure he is just completely broken up about it. The county should be sued, and the Governor should see jail time

if you mean the Governor, its a she.
Appropriately named "Mary Fallin"


Whoops. See kids, this is what happens when you don't TL;DR :)
 
2014-04-29 11:08:14 PM  
The 38-year-old Lockett, who was convicted of shooting 19-year-old Stephanie Neiman and watching two accomplices bury her alive in 1999


Finally a punishment that almost fits the crime.
 
2014-04-29 11:10:53 PM  

unlikely: Is it just me or is the link screwed?


Just you.
 
2014-04-29 11:11:55 PM  

hi13760: Finally a punishment that almost fits the crime.


As long as it makes you feel warm inside...that's all that matters.
 
2014-04-29 11:14:34 PM  

Mentat: SilentStrider: vartian: Oh, so an untested death cocktail had unexpected side effects? No one saw that coming - oh wait, everyone saw that coming. I hope his family sues the shiat out of the county.

Oh its even better.
IIRC, the courts told the State that they were not permitted to go forward with the executions, and the Governor said "Fark you, I kill who I want", and had the first execution go forward as planned.

That said, the courts may have reversed their course, because the article i remember reading was a few weeks ago, and things may have changed since then.

Oh, it's worse.  Not only did she defy the order, but state legislators threatened to impeach the justices, who promptly reversed their ruling.  Fallin then moved up the date of execution to today.  All three branches of the government failed horribly.


This country is truly turning to sh*t.
 
2014-04-29 11:17:46 PM  

bdub77: Mentat: SilentStrider: vartian: Oh, so an untested death cocktail had unexpected side effects? No one saw that coming - oh wait, everyone saw that coming. I hope his family sues the shiat out of the county.

Oh its even better.
IIRC, the courts told the State that they were not permitted to go forward with the executions, and the Governor said "Fark you, I kill who I want", and had the first execution go forward as planned.

That said, the courts may have reversed their course, because the article i remember reading was a few weeks ago, and things may have changed since then.

Oh, it's worse.  Not only did she defy the order, but state legislators threatened to impeach the justices, who promptly reversed their ruling.  Fallin then moved up the date of execution to today.  All three branches of the government failed horribly.

This country is truly turning to sh*t.


Maybe I was just naive growing up, but the vengefullness with which the Tea Party and some of the extreme left go after their targets is scary sometimes.  When you see it at its worst, you can imagine how It Can Happen Here.
 
2014-04-29 11:19:24 PM  

Mentat: Maybe I was just naive growing up, but the vengefullness with which the Tea Party and some of the extreme left go after their targets is scary sometimes. When you see it at its worst, you can imagine how It Can Happen Here.


It's like they have no conscience. Like there is no ego or superego, just id.
 
2014-04-29 11:21:07 PM  

Mentat: bdub77: Mentat: SilentStrider: vartian: Oh, so an untested death cocktail had unexpected side effects? No one saw that coming - oh wait, everyone saw that coming. I hope his family sues the shiat out of the county.

Oh its even better.
IIRC, the courts told the State that they were not permitted to go forward with the executions, and the Governor said "Fark you, I kill who I want", and had the first execution go forward as planned.

That said, the courts may have reversed their course, because the article i remember reading was a few weeks ago, and things may have changed since then.

Oh, it's worse.  Not only did she defy the order, but state legislators threatened to impeach the justices, who promptly reversed their ruling.  Fallin then moved up the date of execution to today.  All three branches of the government failed horribly.

This country is truly turning to sh*t.

Maybe I was just naive growing up, but the vengefullness with which the Tea Party and some of the extreme left go after their targets is scary sometimes.  When you see it at its worst, you can imagine how It Can Happen Here.


Especially when they conflate opposition to this kind of monstrosity as approval of raping and murdering children.
 
2014-04-29 11:25:00 PM  
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2014-04-29 11:25:34 PM  
Just one thing to add, the guy who was executed did kidnap and murder a teenage girl. I don't advocate the death penalty and I'd much rather he rot in jail until he dies, and I don't approve of the way the government acted but...let's not go sucking this asshole's dick either.
 
2014-04-29 11:28:15 PM  

bdub77: Just one thing to add, the guy who was executed did kidnap and murder a teenage girl. I don't advocate the death penalty and I'd much rather he rot in jail until he dies, and I don't approve of the way the government acted but...let's not go sucking this asshole's dick either.


Not a single person has even suggested he was anything but a murderous piece of trash, just anger that the State of Oklahoma decided to join him.
 
2014-04-29 11:29:09 PM  

vartian: bdub77: Just one thing to add, the guy who was executed did kidnap and murder a teenage girl. I don't advocate the death penalty and I'd much rather he rot in jail until he dies, and I don't approve of the way the government acted but...let's not go sucking this asshole's dick either.

Not a single person has even suggested he was anything but a murderous piece of trash, just anger that the State of Oklahoma decided to join him.


Couldn't have said it better myself.
 
2014-04-29 11:33:53 PM  

vartian: bdub77: Just one thing to add, the guy who was executed did kidnap and murder a teenage girl. I don't advocate the death penalty and I'd much rather he rot in jail until he dies, and I don't approve of the way the government acted but...let's not go sucking this asshole's dick either.

Not a single person has even suggested he was anything but a murderous piece of trash, just anger that the State of Oklahoma decided to join him.


No argument here.
 
2014-04-29 11:36:49 PM  

bdub77: Just one thing to add, the guy who was executed did kidnap and murder a teenage girl. I don't advocate the death penalty and I'd much rather he rot in jail until he dies, and I don't approve of the way the government acted but...let's not go sucking this asshole's dick either.


I don't think anyone's saying this guy should have walked out of jail a free man.
 
2014-04-29 11:45:21 PM  

Mentat: SilentStrider: vartian: Oh, so an untested death cocktail had unexpected side effects? No one saw that coming - oh wait, everyone saw that coming. I hope his family sues the shiat out of the county.

Oh its even better.
IIRC, the courts told the State that they were not permitted to go forward with the executions, and the Governor said "Fark you, I kill who I want", and had the first execution go forward as planned.

That said, the courts may have reversed their course, because the article i remember reading was a few weeks ago, and things may have changed since then.

Oh, it's worse.  Not only did she defy the order, but state legislators threatened to impeach the justices, who promptly reversed their ruling.  Fallin then moved up the date of execution to today.  All three branches of the government failed horribly.


So... Oklahoma Hat Trick?
 
2014-04-29 11:59:33 PM  
It sure seems like the only people we are making the punishment less cruel for are the witnesses and prison staff.
 
2014-04-30 12:08:47 AM  
From CNN:

i.imgur.com

Best Part:

That first drug, midazolam, is supposed to render a person unconscious. Seven minutes later, Lockett was still conscious. About 16 minutes in, after his mouth and then his head moved, he seemingly tried to get up and tried to talk, saying "man" aloud, according to the KFOR account.  Other reporters -- including Cary Aspinwall of the Tulsa Worldnewspaper -- similarly claimed that Lockett was "still alive," having lifted his head while prison officials lowered the blinds at that time so that onlookers couldn't see what was going on.Dean Sanderford, Lockett's attorney, said that he saw his client's body start "to twitch (and) he mumbled something." Then "the convulsing got worse, it looked like his whole upper body was trying to lift off the gurney."Yet the office of Oklahoma Gov. Mary Fallin issued a statement indicating "execution officials said Lockett remained unconscious after the lethal injection drugs were administered."

The fact that officials chose to hide the execution behind blinds makes a mockery of the entire execution process. Punishment is supposed to be public, open and transparent, precisely because it is being carried out with the imprimatur of the State.
 
2014-04-30 12:12:10 AM  

bdub77: Just one thing to add, the guy who was executed did kidnap and murder a teenage girl. I don't advocate the death penalty and I'd much rather he rot in jail until he dies, and I don't approve of the way the government acted but...let's not go sucking this asshole's dick either.


Who is defending these guys?  No one!  Again, IT'S NOT ABOUT THEM.  IT'S ABOUT US.  The standards for carrying out an execution should be high because it's one of the most serious responsibilities the state can take.  That's why it's so horrifying to see the psychopathic Keystone Kops in the OK state government fark this up so badly.
 
2014-04-30 12:22:05 AM  

kimwim: Mentat: Maybe I was just naive growing up, but the vengefullness with which the Tea Party and some of the extreme left go after their targets is scary sometimes. When you see it at its worst, you can imagine how It Can Happen Here.

It's like they have no conscience. Like there is no ego or superego, just id.


All snark aside, studies have shown that that's pretty much how conservatism works.
 
2014-04-30 12:24:32 AM  

Mentat: bdub77: Just one thing to add, the guy who was executed did kidnap and murder a teenage girl. I don't advocate the death penalty and I'd much rather he rot in jail until he dies, and I don't approve of the way the government acted but...let's not go sucking this asshole's dick either.

Who is defending these guys?  No one!  Again, IT'S NOT ABOUT THEM.  IT'S ABOUT US.  The standards for carrying out an execution should be high because it's one of the most serious responsibilities the state can take.  That's why it's so horrifying to see the psychopathic Keystone Kops in the OK state government fark this up so badly.


This.

Terrorists are really bad, but when we water board them, that makes us bad.  Bad people exist.  How you deal with that says a lot about who you are as an individual or society.
 
2014-04-30 12:35:32 AM  
"Many that live deserve death. And some that die deserve life. Can you give it to them? Then do not be too eager to deal out death in judgement. For even the very wise cannot see all ends."
 
2014-04-30 12:35:55 AM  
Looks like Texas is going to have to step it up a notch if they want to keep up.
 
2014-04-30 12:38:51 AM  

HawgWild: "Many that live deserve death. And some that die deserve life. Can you give it to them? Then do not be too eager to deal out death in judgement. For even the very wise cannot see all ends."



The wise words of Tolkien.
 
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