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(CNN)   You know that discovered piece of papyrus written in Coptic that scholars were saying had Jesus referring to his "wife"? Yeah, fake. All that other stuff is real, though, no worries   (religion.blogs.cnn.com) divider line 105
    More: Obvious, Coptic Christians, Mary Magdalene, jesus, Karen L. King  
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2014-04-29 08:41:13 PM  
More of from the era and from people that were likely associated with Jesus, subs.
 
2014-04-29 08:41:50 PM  
That's just what they want you to think.
 
2014-04-29 08:42:45 PM  
Because ancient=true.
 
2014-04-29 08:42:46 PM  
On the third day, they opened the tomb and all they found were some crackers.

/cunning plan
 
2014-04-29 08:42:48 PM  
Hollywood made some movies about this so it's got to be true .
 
2014-04-29 08:44:45 PM  
www.awesomeoff.com
 
2014-04-29 08:45:43 PM  
So, Jesus is gay again?
 
2014-04-29 08:45:58 PM  
Jewish zombie = true.
Married = not true.

Right. Ok. Yup. Got it.
 
2014-04-29 08:46:50 PM  
"I don't know how to love Him..."
 
2014-04-29 08:47:07 PM  
Im glad this one fake document finally PROVES Jesus wasn't married.
 
2014-04-29 08:47:58 PM  
Married, no, but a firm believer in the invisible hand of the market and the perils of moral hazard, oh hellz yeah.
 
2014-04-29 08:48:12 PM  

TheOther: On the third day, they opened the tomb and all they found were some crackers.

/cunning plan


Was there cheese?
 
2014-04-29 08:49:24 PM  
I never got the whole deal with the necessity of Jesus being a bachelor in Christian theology. Though he did hang out with twelve other dudes that weren't a sports so...kinda makes you wonder.
 
2014-04-29 08:51:36 PM  

DubtodaIll: I never got the whole deal with the necessity of Jesus being a bachelor in Christian theology.


Sex is mighty wicked.
 
2014-04-29 08:51:54 PM  
Good fiction is just good reading

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/and been done before
 
2014-04-29 08:53:11 PM  
FTA "This forgery was detected not through lab analysis but through good old-fashioned humanities-based detective work. This was Sherlock Holmes, not 'CSI.' "

Really? Finding that the other papyrus was dated 7th to 9th century, when Lycopolitan had died out sounds pretty CSI to me.
 
2014-04-29 08:53:45 PM  
Papyrus sucks anyways...
/Overpriced Stationary store...
/Oh, the font too...
 
2014-04-29 08:54:27 PM  

J. Frank Parnell: DubtodaIll: I never got the whole deal with the necessity of Jesus being a bachelor in Christian theology.

Sex is mighty wicked.


That thinking generally came much later in Christianity.
 
2014-04-29 08:54:56 PM  
upload.wikimedia.org
 
2014-04-29 08:56:41 PM  
It said ""Pound pastrami, can krautsix bagels--bring home for Emma." Obviously a fake
 
2014-04-29 08:56:47 PM  

wambu: J. Frank Parnell: DubtodaIll: I never got the whole deal with the necessity of Jesus being a bachelor in Christian theology.

Sex is mighty wicked.

That thinking generally came much later in Christianity.


Genesis 1:28 "Be fruitful and multiply"

Doesn't sound like God finds it wicked at all.
 
2014-04-29 08:58:18 PM  

Omahawg: [www.awesomeoff.com image 400x300]


i1126.photobucket.com

/Jesus is now 20% cooler
 
2014-04-29 09:04:34 PM  
Why is it a big deal if imaginary jesus had an imaginary wife or not??
 
2014-04-29 09:04:45 PM  
The thing about it is; what's in the Christian bible has a lot to do with Constantine the Great and the Council of Nicaea. This was 3 centuries after Jesus was around.

Jesus was a folk hero in the third century, somewhat like Paul Bunyan or John Henry, all sorts of stories cropped up about Jesus. Everything from the Gospels to stories about him beating a steam engine in a drilling race ( ok, that was John Henry).

Anyway; the council of Nicaea codified the bible to include the original Herbrew Torah, many other Jewish scholars and prophets, the most consistent Gospels (Mathew, Mark, Luke and John), the writings of Paul and a few other works.

You can see the Roman influence most in the wording of the passion; they blame the Jews instead of the Romans. This is especially true of Pontus Pilot and the release of Barabas.

In addition, many suspect works were discarded. Namely, the Gospel of Thomas and The Gospel of Judas to name some examples.

Over the centuries, many translation errors have convoluted what the bible originally said. Namely, St. Jerome's translation of the Greek version into Latin was full of inaccuracies and new things that weren't in the original.

/ anyway, TL;DR version, Jesus could have had a wife, or 10 of them, and we'd probably never know for sure
 
2014-04-29 09:05:16 PM  
My book of fairy tales is superior to your book of fairy tales!!!!
 
2014-04-29 09:05:46 PM  
Wouldn't bother me if Constantine gave him a wife in the story.
 
2014-04-29 09:06:15 PM  

Metaluna Mutant: It said ""Pound pastrami, can kraut,  six bagels--bring home for Emma." Obviously a fake


Makes me wanna sing a canticle.
 
2014-04-29 09:08:41 PM  
As an atheist, I don't quite understand why it's so important to canon that Jesus not have a wife. What difference does that make to your faith?
 
2014-04-29 09:09:16 PM  
www.truthaboutsundayworship.com


Do Christians not realize that they break Commandments #1 and #2 all the time? \

Worshiping Jesus like God is idolatry.
 
2014-04-29 09:10:06 PM  

shlub: FTA "This forgery was detected not through lab analysis but through good old-fashioned humanities-based detective work. This was Sherlock Holmes, not 'CSI.' "

Really? Finding that the other papyrus was dated 7th to 9th century, when Lycopolitan had died out sounds pretty CSI to me.


Except that could just be seen as evidence that Lycopolitan lasted longer than we thought, at least in some areas.
 
2014-04-29 09:10:23 PM  

wambu: J. Frank Parnell: DubtodaIll: I never got the whole deal with the necessity of Jesus being a bachelor in Christian theology.

Sex is mighty wicked.

That thinking generally came much later in Christianity.


Yeah. I think it was more likely done to just keep the attention on Jesus. Would be people worshiping his wife the same way they worship his mother in some places. Or maybe it's one of the Roman changes, to reflect their sun god. Whole thing is such a mess.
 
2014-04-29 09:10:38 PM  

Dadoody: [www.truthaboutsundayworship.com image 850x637]


Do Christians not realize that they break Commandments #1 and #2 all the time? \

Worshiping Jesus like God is idolatry.


You coming from a Jewish, Muslim or armchair theologian perspective with that?
 
2014-04-29 09:10:48 PM  
i228.photobucket.com
 
2014-04-29 09:11:38 PM  

Quasar: As an atheist, I don't quite understand why it's so important to canon that Jesus not have a wife. What difference does that make to your faith?


It doesn't make any difference theologically. It's always just been assumed he was single.
 
2014-04-29 09:12:25 PM  

desertfool: So, Jesus is gay again?


Exactly. You would think they would embrace him having a wife. I think they imagine him not having a penis at all. Like a Ken barbie doll.


https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20081031185013AATPsGH
 
2014-04-29 09:18:57 PM  

InterruptingQuirk: You coming from a Jewish, Muslim or armchair theologian perspective with that?


It's Fark so definitely armchair theologian.
 
2014-04-29 09:22:34 PM  
i.imgur.com
 
2014-04-29 09:23:02 PM  
elitemrp.net
 
2014-04-29 09:27:32 PM  

Quasar: As an atheist, I don't quite understand why it's so important to canon that Jesus not have a wife. What difference does that make to your faith?


If you're going to be a proper atheist, you should take time to study the history of Catholicism. It makes a big difference to the Roman Catholic canon; because according to Church dogma evolved in the 3d century, (mostly through St. Augustine, Constantine's mother St. Helena, and the Gospel of John) Christ was the human AND divine embodiment of God (the whole idea of whether Jesus was divine or human was part of the gnostic heresies) and, therefore, not subject to the desires of the flesh. Ergo, he couldn't have had a wife because that implies he was doing the nasty with her, and God wouldn't do that.

To the fundies, it only matters because Jeezus. They have no clue.
 
2014-04-29 09:33:19 PM  

reprobate1125: Quasar: As an atheist, I don't quite understand why it's so important to canon that Jesus not have a wife. What difference does that make to your faith?

It doesn't make any difference theologically. It's always just been assumed he was single.


Ding ding ding.

/Christian
//Just wants a little better source
 
2014-04-29 09:34:06 PM  

Gyrfalcon: Quasar: As an atheist, I don't quite understand why it's so important to canon that Jesus not have a wife. What difference does that make to your faith?

If you're going to be a proper atheist, you should take time to study the history of Catholicism. It makes a big difference to the Roman Catholic canon; because according to Church dogma evolved in the 3d century, (mostly through St. Augustine, Constantine's mother St. Helena, and the Gospel of John) Christ was the human AND divine embodiment of God (the whole idea of whether Jesus was divine or human was part of the gnostic heresies) and, therefore, not subject to the desires of the flesh. Ergo, he couldn't have had a wife because that implies he was doing the nasty with her, and God wouldn't do that.

To the fundies, it only matters because Jeezus. They have no clue.


If he's going to because proper atheist, should he also take time to study the history of Zoroastrianism, Shinto, and the animist beliefs of the Ooga Booga tribe?

Why, when none of those gods exist? Cuz he has nothing else to do with his time?
 
2014-04-29 09:35:39 PM  
Proper athiest?  Ugh.  I'm a non-theist, and in my belief of not believing in any sky fairies I also don't really give a crap about what anyone else believes, as long as they're not shoving their beliefs/non-beliefs in my face.

I don't feel that I need to study anything to justify my beliefs (or lack thereof) to anyone else.
 
2014-04-29 09:39:39 PM  

Suckmaster Burstingfoam: Gyrfalcon: Quasar: As an atheist, I don't quite understand why it's so important to canon that Jesus not have a wife. What difference does that make to your faith?

If you're going to be a proper atheist, you should take time to study the history of Catholicism. It makes a big difference to the Roman Catholic canon; because according to Church dogma evolved in the 3d century, (mostly through St. Augustine, Constantine's mother St. Helena, and the Gospel of John) Christ was the human AND divine embodiment of God (the whole idea of whether Jesus was divine or human was part of the gnostic heresies) and, therefore, not subject to the desires of the flesh. Ergo, he couldn't have had a wife because that implies he was doing the nasty with her, and God wouldn't do that.

To the fundies, it only matters because Jeezus. They have no clue.

If he's going to because proper atheist, should he also take time to study the history of Zoroastrianism, Shinto, and the animist beliefs of the Ooga Booga tribe?

Why, when none of those gods exist? Cuz he has nothing else to do with his time?


Don't be daft.
The largest, loudest, and most prevalent religion in the US (where most Farkers live) is Christianity, and thus, will be the most common religious viewpoint discussed. Forewarned is forearmed.
 
2014-04-29 09:40:29 PM  

DubtodaIll: I never got the whole deal with the necessity of Jesus being a bachelor in Christian theology. Though he did hang out with twelve other dudes that weren't a sports so...kinda makes you wonder.


He was an apocalyptic Jew, so it's not surprising that he'd avoid marriage.
 
2014-04-29 09:44:42 PM  
So how did this become about religion being true or not?  I thought this was entirely about whether this piece of papyrus, regardless of what it says, is authentic or a forgery.

If someone claims to hand me an authentic original Hamlet manuscript in Shakespeare's own handwriting, if it checks out, it doesn't make Hamlet suddenly a real person.

Sure, for theologians, they now have something new to chew on if the papyrus turned out to be authentic, but that's rather orthogonal.  I don't see how it'd really shake faith as it's practiced today.  It'd be as if the supposed Hamlet manuscript I conjectured had some different plot twist.  It'd give a bunch of English majors something to talk about, but that's about it.  Wouldn't change how we write English, either.
 
2014-04-29 09:46:46 PM  

Arachnophobe: Omahawg: [www.awesomeoff.com image 400x300]

[i1126.photobucket.com image 480x633]

/Jesus is now 20% cooler


You sir, I like.  Where do I sign up for your newsletter?
 
2014-04-29 09:51:02 PM  
Personally, I've got a gal in every galaxy. But marriage? It's not for messiahs.
 
2014-04-29 09:53:01 PM  

InterruptingQuirk: Dadoody: [www.truthaboutsundayworship.com image 850x637]


Do Christians not realize that they break Commandments #1 and #2 all the time? \

Worshiping Jesus like God is idolatry.

You coming from a Jewish, Muslim or armchair theologian perspective with that?


I wondered the same thing.

That said, worshipping the cross is a violation of the Commandments. Most people don't realize that's what they're doing, but yeah... they're worshipping the image/idol of death from the days of the Roman Empire. Go google the history of crucifixion before deciding if you really want to worship that image. Personally, I don't.
 
2014-04-29 09:53:51 PM  
I'm beginning to think Subby is functionally illiterate.
 
2014-04-29 09:57:00 PM  
Sure, there are people back then who believed Jesus was married and maybe he was. But just because they uncovered some documents of that belief doesn't establish it. Heck, by that rationale, archaeologists 2000 years from now could discover some birther nonsense, but that wouldn't mean it proves Barack Obama was born in Kenya.
 
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