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(Gothamist)   Hey New Yorkers - tired of those pretentious hipster douchebags "vaping" at the next table? Well, starting today they'll be ostracized to the sidewalk outside with all the other smokers   (gothamist.com) divider line 244
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2014-04-29 07:12:42 PM
I'm sitting here, puffing on my ProTank2 with 0-nic RY4/French Vanilla, getting a kick out of this thread.
 
2014-04-29 07:12:42 PM

puckrock2000: Meh - anything that cuts down on the number of hipster douchebags is fine with me.

Oh, and -

MelGoesOnTour: "Assemblywoman Linda Rosenthal told the Post, adding that she 'felt nauseous' when an e-cig user expelled vapor in her vicinity."

Figures.

You dropped this:
[1.bp.blogspot.com image 133x255]


A bit sensitive today, are you?

But you are correct in that if her name was Smith I would not but have said anything other than "What an asshat".  But this is Linda Rosenthal we're talking about---she'll look under a rock and find something to biatch about.
 
2014-04-29 07:15:59 PM

LazyMedia: Mithiwithi: LazyMedia: Sounds like e-cig manufacturer propaganda. The research shows second-hand tobacco smoke is about 10 times stronger than second-hand vaping, but that still could be a health risk. The same cite notes that e-cig "smokers" inhale MORE nicotine than tobacco smokers.

Point of order: your earlier comment was that about 40% of the health risk from conventional tobacco was from nicotine, and thus presumably 60% of the health risk from ordinary cigarettes is from the other combustion products.

Assuming those ratios hold for second-hand tobacco smoke, the toxicity of secondhand vapor is 4% that of secondhand smoke, not 10%, since the former doesn't contain any of the other toxic components of the latter. (Let me know when there's any toxicity data on the non-nicotine additives in vapor cartridges - which should indeed be regulated by the FDA, by the way.)

Well, considering that second-hand smoke kills about 34,000 people per year from heart disease (caused by nicotine), I would think you'd really want to establish a safe level of aerosol nicotine before you let people blow it around in public spaces.


Shouldn't we see chefs around the world dying considering they are inhaling nicotine on a daily basis?

http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJM199308053290619
 
2014-04-29 07:20:16 PM
I don't really care about e-cigs. But I don't understand the people really into vaping.

You know: the ones with the e-cigs on lanyards around their neck that take them everywhere. Of the other vapers who make it a point to vape wherever they go just to get a reaction. They vape in the store. They vape at their kids hockey games. They vape at the movies. They vape at work. They vape all, the, friggin, time. And they have to tell you all about how great vaping is like they're trying to convince you, as a non-smoker, to start doing it.
 
2014-04-29 07:20:24 PM

MelGoesOnTour: But you are correct in that if her name was Smith I would not but have said anything other than "What an asshat".  But this is Linda Rosenthal we're talking about---she'll look under a rock and find something to biatch about.


Why would a Rosenthal be more likely to do that?
 
2014-04-29 07:21:07 PM

clancifer: If it is a bar, let them vape.  At a regular restaurant?  No.


I go to a bar to get hammered, NOT to inhale your "vape". And this goes for you over use aftershave/perfume.
 
2014-04-29 07:21:58 PM

gadian: pushcart: Would you find fault?
She was adorable and smart and freckled! Even Ulysses lashed to the mast, ears stopped with wax, could not have resisted her.

I would.  You don't keep your tiny, adorable, smart, and freckled women in your pocket.  You get one of those dog bags so they'll have a water bottle and can look around.


I know, right? Here's the thing: I am an androgyne. And I thought: 'oh lord, she is special', and the whole pocket sugar glider/woman notion is offensive. I didn't even suggest it to her because I was bleary. I guess the thing I have to work out is how to want her as a a pocket sugar glider while at the same time regarding her as my equal or superior? Might I more rightfully be her pocket sugar glider? The complicating issue, of course, is whether degrees, aspects, or intervals are valid constructs. One hopes for lucidity.
 
2014-04-29 07:23:12 PM

MelGoesOnTour: puckrock2000: Meh - anything that cuts down on the number of hipster douchebags is fine with me.

Oh, and -

MelGoesOnTour: "Assemblywoman Linda Rosenthal told the Post, adding that she 'felt nauseous' when an e-cig user expelled vapor in her vicinity."

Figures.

You dropped this:
[1.bp.blogspot.com image 133x255]

A bit sensitive today, are you?

But you are correct in that if her name was Smith I would not but have said anything other than "What an asshat".  But this is Linda Rosenthal we're talking about---she'll look under a rock and find something to biatch about.


I think your mistake was to bold only her last name.
 
2014-04-29 07:23:43 PM
The self-righteous are out in force in this thread.
 
2014-04-29 07:24:15 PM
Assemblywoman Linda Rosenthalprobably gets nauseous when her neighbor fires up his grill, fireplace, or wood-stove, and they are all legal..
 
2014-04-29 07:27:05 PM

stuffy: clancifer: If it is a bar, let them vape.  At a regular restaurant?  No.

I go to a bar to get hammered, NOT to inhale your "vape". And this goes for you over use aftershave/perfume.


But they are totes hot! SMELL THE HOTNESS. SMELL IT!
 
2014-04-29 07:30:54 PM
 
2014-04-29 07:32:49 PM
Another vaping thread? Drew must be low on ad views this month.

/vaper
//where it's acceptable to do so anyway
 
2014-04-29 07:33:27 PM

mjohnson71: I don't really care about e-cigs. But I don't understand the people really into vaping.

You know: the ones with the e-cigs on lanyards around their neck that take them everywhere.


They're addicts. Pure and simple. Deny it though they might.
 
2014-04-29 07:33:39 PM
Any vapers who may be in this thread and pissed off:  You can thank the asshole minority who enjoyed billowing giant clouds of vapor everywhere they went while exclaiming IT ISNT SMOKE!@!1!1! I CAN DO IT IF I WANT TO!!11!!one!!1!  for this.
 
2014-04-29 07:35:53 PM

Without Fail: We now have a new technology that allows nicotine addicts the ability to satisfy their cravings without inconveniencing or endangering those around them. So let's do everything we can to discourage smokers from switching to it.

Authoritarian assholes.


This.
 
2014-04-29 07:36:38 PM

Alonjar: Any vapers who may be in this thread and pissed off:  You can thank the asshole minority who enjoyed billowing giant clouds of vapor everywhere they went while exclaiming IT ISNT SMOKE!@!1!1! I CAN DO IT IF I WANT TO!!11!!one!!1!  for this.


Exactly this. I've vaped in crowds but didn't exhale the vapor, no one even knew I was doing it.
 
2014-04-29 07:44:33 PM
Nicotine helps me feel relaxed and absorb information quicker. Caffine makes me more awake and productive. When combined, I can focus on one thing for hours straight and not break my concentraion. Any task becomes enjoyable even when people around you become intoleriable. It's a poor mans cocaine.
 
2014-04-29 07:46:14 PM

LazyMedia: Aigoo: The My Little Pony Killer: robodog: Vaping does NOTHING to harm anyone

Citations, thanks.

/you won't be able to find any because there haven't been any studies done
//derp and double derp on you!

Incorrect. Igor Burstyn, Drexel University. Submitted for peer review: http://www.biomedcentral.com/1471-2458/14/18/

Shows that e-cigs/vaping poses less risk to public health via "secondhand vaping" than inhaling aerosol air freshener.

Oh, FFS, read your farking links. That study says that e-cigs pose no increased risk of exposure to "contaminants" like formaldehyde. It says nothing about the risk of exposure to THE ACTUAL ACTIVE INGREDIENT in nicotine vaping, which is nicotine, and which causes atherosclerosis regardless of how it's administered.

Current state of knowledge about chemistry of liquids and aerosols associated with electronic cigarettes indicates that there is no evidence that vaping produces inhalable exposures to contaminants of the aerosol that would warrant health concerns by the standards that are used to ensure safety of workplaces.  However, the aerosol generated during vaping as a whole (contaminants  plus declared ingredients) creates personal exposures that would justify surveillance of health among exposed persons in conjunction with investigation of means to keep any adverse health effects as low as reasonably achievable.


I know who you are. Knock it off. You aren't good at using your alts. You have the same MO as your other alt.

In other words, fark off and EABOD.
 
2014-04-29 07:47:04 PM

itsaidwhat: LZeitgeist: If 'vape smoke' is exhaled water vapor, could it transmit disease from the 'vaper' to the secondhand vapor recipients?

\serious question
\\no snark

There's free vapor that did not make contact with alveoli so no tissue contact and there's the moisture vapor that evaporates off your alveoli and other wet parts. In theory it's just water or volatile compounds. But probably not worse than airborne viruses or bacterium that get ejected in tiny water/spit droplets by coughing sneezing speaking singing laughing etc.


Thank you for the non-snarky answer. I knew there would be a couple in amidst the oncoming snark.

I'm thinking, if I, as a non-vaper, was exhaling so much moisture/breath/etc. from my lungs when I breathe that you cound *see the cloud of it come out of my mouth and nose*, I'd probably get punched for being gross and blowing snot and spittle everywhere.

So I couldn't help but wonder just what *is* in the visible cloud of moisture being exhaled by a vaper?

When one normally aspirates, do they breathe in and out as deeply and at the same capacity as one who is vaping (or smoking, for that matter)?

Just idle questions for the discussion.
 
2014-04-29 07:48:47 PM
New York, where "Stop liking what i don't like" is the rule of law.
 
2014-04-29 07:54:16 PM

AliceBToklasLives: MelGoesOnTour: puckrock2000: Meh - anything that cuts down on the number of hipster douchebags is fine with me.

Oh, and -

MelGoesOnTour: "Assemblywoman Linda Rosenthal told the Post, adding that she 'felt nauseous' when an e-cig user expelled vapor in her vicinity."

Figures.

You dropped this:
[1.bp.blogspot.com image 133x255]

A bit sensitive today, are you?

But you are correct in that if her name was Smith I would not but have said anything other than "What an asshat".  But this is Linda Rosenthal we're talking about---she'll look under a rock and find something to biatch about.

I think your mistake was to bold only her last name.


oops.

/By the way, I loved the movie. We still watch it every few years
//yeah, I have it on VHS
///lawn, etc
 
2014-04-29 07:54:21 PM

DVOM: LazyMedia: About 40 percent of the people who die from smoking-related illnesses die of stroke or heart attack. Nicotine kills.

Nicotine is not what's plugging your arteries.


That's not the issue. Nicotine increases blood pressure and heart rate (increased oxygen demand) while constricting coronary blood vessels (decreased oxygen supply). The risk of heart attack/stroke plummets after quitting. Smoking is the greatest risk factor for heart disease mortality, but in a year or so after quitting the risk is the same as someone who has never smoked.

If the vapor doesn't contain anything else that is toxic, it would be less harmful because of the lack of carbon monoxide, though.
 
2014-04-29 07:54:43 PM
I'll just light up & vape my 64 oz Big Gulp.


What? I can't do that either?

W.T.F.?
 
2014-04-29 07:55:36 PM

MelGoesOnTour: "Assemblywoman Linda Rosenthal told the Post, adding that she 'felt nauseous' when an e-cig user expelled vapor in her vicinity."

Figures.


Mel.  Mel Gibson, I take it?
 
2014-04-29 07:56:30 PM

a21ozcoldcup: Dragonflew: Zeromyhero: Drinkers = awesome
Smokers = whaaaaaambulance

Makes perfect sense.

At least threads like this help us to identify the insufferable douchebags here.

I can't inhale your alcohol from the table next to you. Same applies to children or asthmatics, etc.

Clearly someone wrote before actually thinking about their own question.


Yes you can.

You see, alcohol is actually pretty volatile.  You ARE inhaling alcohol from the table next to you.
 
2014-04-29 07:57:40 PM
Farking nanny statist busy bodies complain about getting sick from the smell of something that has no odor.  They are so into complaining about something, ANYTHING, that they make up stuff to complain about.
 
2014-04-29 07:57:45 PM
Booting smokers outside was because of the health risks associated with all the crap in secondhand smoke. Vaping has none of those risks. But asshat anti-smoking people "need to do something" to justify their existence and feed their hate for others.
 
2014-04-29 08:00:37 PM
ITT: People who 'think' they are better than other people.....

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/getting a ecig soon
//gonna exhale water vapor EVERYWHERE!!!!
 
2014-04-29 08:02:57 PM

robodog: This is a stupid ruling for public health. Vaping does NOTHING to harm anyone (I'm an asthmatic with an acute sensitivity to most artificial scents and many natural ones and yet having my brothers vape in my enclosed vehicle does nothing, were I not looking at them I wouldn't know they were vaping)


PC LOAD LETTER: I was all for e-cigs until a friend got in our car and "lit" one up. We told him to stop in 20 seconds. I guess that's better than an actual cig, since we would have thrown him out of the car at speed.


Very interdasting
 
2014-04-29 08:07:51 PM

stuffy: I go to a bar to get hammered, NOT to inhale your "vape". And this goes for you over use aftershave/perfume.


Guess what, asshat. You aren't inhaling anyone's "vape", as it dissipates so quickly it isn't going to make it over to you. And if it's just the odor that offends you? Tough farking shiat. You don't have the right to not be offended. Don't like it? GTFO and go somewhere else, you whiny little biatch.
 
2014-04-29 08:09:17 PM

Empty H: Without Fail: We now have a new technology that allows nicotine addicts the ability to satisfy their cravings without inconveniencing or endangering those around them. So let's do everything we can to discourage smokers from switching to it.

Authoritarian assholes.

This.


Some politicians here in California have proposed treating ecigs the same as smoking tobacco.  So if you can't smoke, you can't vape.  That would mean I wouldn't be able to vape in my apartment and would have to walk the two blocks to the public sidewalk (large apartment complex) to vape.  I might as well light up a real cigarette if I'm going through that much trouble.  So their plan "for public health" will have the exact opposite results.
 
2014-04-29 08:10:55 PM

May Cause Drowsiness: DVOM: LazyMedia: About 40 percent of the people who die from smoking-related illnesses die of stroke or heart attack. Nicotine kills.

Nicotine is not what's plugging your arteries.

That's not the issue. Nicotine increases blood pressure and heart rate (increased oxygen demand) while constricting coronary blood vessels (decreased oxygen supply). The risk of heart attack/stroke plummets after quitting. Smoking is the greatest risk factor for heart disease mortality, but in a year or so after quitting the risk is the same as someone who has never smoked.

If the vapor doesn't contain anything else that is toxic, it would be less harmful because of the lack of carbon monoxide, though.



Hey man, you're butting in on  LazyMedia'sconversation!  Did you ask  LazyMedia if that was OK?  You guys should talk offline and decide who's going to handle it.
 
2014-04-29 08:14:50 PM

noitsnot: May Cause Drowsiness: DVOM: LazyMedia: About 40 percent of the people who die from smoking-related illnesses die of stroke or heart attack. Nicotine kills.

Nicotine is not what's plugging your arteries.

That's not the issue. Nicotine increases blood pressure and heart rate (increased oxygen demand) while constricting coronary blood vessels (decreased oxygen supply). The risk of heart attack/stroke plummets after quitting. Smoking is the greatest risk factor for heart disease mortality, but in a year or so after quitting the risk is the same as someone who has never smoked.

If the vapor doesn't contain anything else that is toxic, it would be less harmful because of the lack of carbon monoxide, though.


Hey man, you're butting in on  LazyMedia'sconversation!  Did you ask  LazyMedia if that was OK?  You guys should talk offline and decide who's going to handle it.

LazyMedia

  has an alt that weighed in on the 370 flight threads and many others. IIRC, the user names were created on the same day last month.
 
2014-04-29 08:22:24 PM

trappedspirit: robodog: This is a stupid ruling for public health. Vaping does NOTHING to harm anyone (I'm an asthmatic with an acute sensitivity to most artificial scents and many natural ones and yet having my brothers vape in my enclosed vehicle does nothing, were I not looking at them I wouldn't know they were vaping)

PC LOAD LETTER: I was all for e-cigs until a friend got in our car and "lit" one up. We told him to stop in 20 seconds. I guess that's better than an actual cig, since we would have thrown him out of the car at speed.

Very interdasting


I desperately don't care what you think. If you smoke, I am comforted by the almost certain staggeringly horribly health problems you will have. If you don't, then go away.
 
2014-04-29 08:32:46 PM
just change the formula so that it puts out less "smoke" (propylene glycol is only used for the smoke effect) and use a device that looks nothing like a cigarette -- no one would be the wiser
 
2014-04-29 08:33:04 PM
doyner:

In cases of legitimate vape, New York has ways of shutting the whole thing down.

I laughed out loud.  Haven't done that to a fark comment in a while.
 
2014-04-29 08:37:52 PM
I'm a regular tobacco smoker, but I'm not an asshole that refuses to move if someone finds my smoking annoying.  I can understand how people could find vaping annoying, but then again, I get annoyed when someone brings a smelly greek sandwich on the subway, or when someone wears a positively particularly pungent perfume and there's no room on the bus to move away from them.  It's not that the smell is  bad, it's the fact that I have no choice but to smell it.

So yeah, vapers should be considerate of others when smoking in public places.  But we really do not need a  lawto tell them that, any more than we need a law to tell people not to eat smelly food on the subway or wear stinky perfume.  You shouldn't be considerate of others because it's the law, you should do it because you're not a dick.
 
2014-04-29 08:45:16 PM

PC LOAD LETTER: trappedspirit: robodog: This is a stupid ruling for public health. Vaping does NOTHING to harm anyone (I'm an asthmatic with an acute sensitivity to most artificial scents and many natural ones and yet having my brothers vape in my enclosed vehicle does nothing, were I not looking at them I wouldn't know they were vaping)

PC LOAD LETTER: I was all for e-cigs until a friend got in our car and "lit" one up. We told him to stop in 20 seconds. I guess that's better than an actual cig, since we would have thrown him out of the car at speed.

Very interdasting

I desperately don't care what you think. If you smoke, I am comforted by the almost certain staggeringly horribly health problems you will have. If you don't, then go away.


and there you have just told us you were lying.  Why do I know that because I have also done what robodog was doing and it is very rare that you can smell it at all and if you do it is very subtle.  Secondly the fact you would wish harm on someone for vaping or smoking shows your over the top and I have no doubt would lie to push your agenda.
 
2014-04-29 08:46:55 PM
I tried vaping for a few months, but couldn't get over the feeling of being water boarded.
 
2014-04-29 09:22:59 PM
Assemblywoman Linda Rosenthal told the Post, adding that she "felt nauseous" when an e-cig user expelled vapor in her vicinity.

I call bullshiat!

I smoke and I've also used e-cigs, and if they ever invent one that tastes as good as my usual brand of noxious weed, I'd happily switch.

That said, the liquid used in e-cigs does not contain the massive amount of nasty things found in real cigarettes. The 'smoke' is a fast disbursing water vapor. It contains propylene glycol -- what's in anti-freeze and what is also in a surprising amount of the sweetened drinks and snacks you eat, even though knocking back a cup of anti-freeze will kill you.

Nicotine is added in various strengths, extracted and purified from tobacco plants. Then comes whatever flavoring they decide to use. No saltpeter, no nitrates, no wood pulp, acid washed paper, no concentrated nicotine tea and none of the residue created by burning treated leafs with fire.

You'd have to be in a sealed, closed room, rather small, to be disturbed by a person smoking an e-cig.

One more thing, no nicotine residue on anything, like tables, chairs, walls or drapes. The 'smoke' is not really smoke, so it doesn't contain the fine particulates. It doesn't contain bits of carbon and heavy metals.

Actually, you folks that make your own smoked meats at home infect your tasty treats with much more harmful substances from smoldering wood than anything an e-cig provides. Yet, you'll gobble down a ton of that smoked meat without hesitation and folks will walk through the smoke of your smoker and appreciate the aroma, not worried about what the particulate matter in it could do.

I figure folks who were forced to stop smoking and really miss the habit and those who are fanatical about getting rid of real tobacco are mainly pi$$ed off because a similar, safer alternative has popped up and they just don't want anything to do with it.

Kind of like when Near Beer appeared along with non-alcoholic wines. They didn't go over very well and bars charged you almost twice as much for a bottle of fake beer than for the real stuff because you drank less.

Now, alcoholics on the wagon avoid even near beer and such, because they're afraid that the taste will start them drinking again. They even avoid non-alcoholic bars because the scene and ambiance might trigger their desire to guzzle booze by the keg.

Something similar is happening with e-cigs, only, thanks to the massive propaganda of anti-smoking groups, 'smoking' anything even similar is considered bad, evil, nasty, smelly, dirty and disgusting.

(Well, except pot. I've noticed few rabid anti-tobacco groups having a problem with that, even though the smoke produces twice the amount of residue as tobacco does -- an no real research has been done on what effects it has.

Aside from giving a heavy user a similar 'smokers cough'.)

So folks who claim they get 'sick' by being across the room from someone enjoying an e-cig are simply full of shiat -- or so conditioned by the heavily psychologically charged anti-smoking campaign that they've become conditioned to react badly to anything related to tobacco.

I've seen similar reactions based on the 'no hit' policy introduced a couple of decades ago that affect schools and parents.

You need to remember that we learned our trade of propaganda through advertising and war campaigns. We're damn good at it. We hit you where it hurts.
 
2014-04-29 09:25:32 PM
In case anyone cares to make intelligent, educated opinions, here are a few facts about e-cigs:

- No, e-cigs are not "safe". You ARE inhaling nicotine, which as noted by someone else, does increase the risk of heart disease.

- No, second hand "smoke" from e-cigs is not harmful to others (they may just not like the smell of it) (though my GF loves the smell of my all day vape)..

- Yes, e-cigs have a very high efficacy in helping smokers get off cigarettes.

- Yes, e-cigs have far fewer carcinogens than "analog"

I started smoking a pack a day at 15yo, and I tried just about everything you can imagine to quit; Acupuncture, anti-depressants, "The Mad Russian" (total quackary, snake oil salesman), cold turkey. You name it, I probably tried it. The longest I was ever off cigs was maybe a couple years after I knew I was going to be a father. E-cigs have, thus far, been the most successful. I started out with 24mg of nicotine and after a little over a year, I'm down to 8-12mg in my liquid. Within one month of going to e-cigs, I noticed a dramatic increase in my energy levels and my stamina for things like running up and down stairs. Three years ago, I had a cardio test done, and was told that as a man of 42, I had the lung capacity of 50yo. Well, I began taking part in a study being done in part by BU Medical Center, and earlier this week they checked my lungs and the oxygenation of my blood. Absolutely, across the board normal for a man of my age.

One year, using e-cigs.

In a few weeks I go back for another round, and they're going to take a small sample of lung tissue. I'm very curious to find out about the results.

Also, "intelligence" plays zero role in a person being a smoker, or being an addict to nicotine (or alcohol, or drugs of any sort for that matter), however ignorance is a chosen addiction. Just because you don't "like" something, or you don't "understand" how people could smoke, doesn't grant some mystical moral high ground. Seriously, kudos if you never started smoking and have no addictions (or I should say, no admitted addictions, or no acknowledged). But really, get off the farking cross. We could recycle the wood.
 
2014-04-29 09:35:11 PM
Wait, you found a way to somewhat circumvent big tobacco? 

Go sit outside.
 
2014-04-29 09:41:25 PM
Gonna jump on this bandwagon.  While I don't give a fig about people smoking or vaping around me, I will say that many e-juices can be quite pungent.  My husband smokes this crap called Boba's Bounty and it smells like a ferret.
 
2014-04-29 09:44:33 PM

jabberton: Gonna jump on this bandwagon.  While I don't give a fig about people smoking or vaping around me, I will say that many e-juices can be quite pungent.  My husband smokes this crap called Boba's Bounty and it smells like a ferret.


Then let businesses themselves decide if they want to allow it. Legislating it is authoritarian.

/they can be pretty potent.
//pie flavored? more like burnt pie.
 
2014-04-29 09:47:15 PM

SpacePirate: jabberton: Gonna jump on this bandwagon.  While I don't give a fig about people smoking or vaping around me, I will say that many e-juices can be quite pungent.  My husband smokes this crap called Boba's Bounty and it smells like a ferret.

Then let businesses themselves decide if they want to allow it. Legislating it is authoritarian.

/they can be pretty potent.
//pie flavored? more like burnt pie.


I'm all for that.
 
2014-04-29 09:51:58 PM

PC LOAD LETTER: trappedspirit: robodog: This is a stupid ruling for public health. Vaping does NOTHING to harm anyone (I'm an asthmatic with an acute sensitivity to most artificial scents and many natural ones and yet having my brothers vape in my enclosed vehicle does nothing, were I not looking at them I wouldn't know they were vaping)

PC LOAD LETTER: I was all for e-cigs until a friend got in our car and "lit" one up. We told him to stop in 20 seconds. I guess that's better than an actual cig, since we would have thrown him out of the car at speed.

Very interdasting

I desperately don't care what you think. If you smoke, I am comforted by the almost certain staggeringly horribly health problems you will have. If you don't, then go away.


Wow, I post some opposing anecdotal references and someone gets all defensive.
 
2014-04-29 09:54:06 PM

PC LOAD LETTER: cman: When you are at war you cannot let your enemy have any sort of win

That is why there is a movement against ecigs. Anti-tobacco people can't let smokers get a leg up no matter what the circumstance is.

Nah, it just smells like crap and pisses off people around them. I was all for e-cigs until a friend got in our car and "lit" one up. We told him to stop in 20 seconds. I guess that's better than an actual cig, since we would have thrown him out of the car at speed.

Make your habit not piss off everyone around you and fark up our breathing, and you can do whatever the hell you want.


Water valor posses you off?

Damn, you must be miserable when it rains.
 
2014-04-29 09:55:34 PM

unchellmatt: - No, second hand "smoke" from e-cigs is not harmful to others (they may just not like the smell of it) (though my GF loves the smell of my all day vape)..


As pointed out earlier, yes it is.

It's less harmful though.

The question of "residue" remains, since the vapor coming out has shiat in it that won't just evaporate, but it also doesn't have a lot of the shiat that's in smoke.

Also, marijuana vapor smells like skunk.  I feel like I'm back at home and the dog just made a new friend when someone is partaking.
 
2014-04-29 10:00:16 PM
I vape, and enjoy it.  Every day I move further away from ever lighting up again, although I do smoke. Anyway, vapers like myself obviously have a vested interest in the effects of the contents. Look at it this way: if I wanted to know if Obama was a Socialist I wouldn't ask Bill O'Reilly. No, I'd ask Bernie Sanders since he is one. So here is some info I found interesting:

From: http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/diy-e-liquid/">http://www.e-ci garette-forum.com/forum/diy-e-liquid/ 

Caution: flavourings
Food-grade flavouring compounds are, by definition, not tested for inhalation. There are likely to be health implications resulting from inhalation of some flavours, and right now we do not have a complete list of the problematic ones. At least one is known to be extremely hazardous to the lungs (diacetyl) and there is no reason to suspect it is an isolated case. Because too little is known about this aspect of vaping, ECF cannot advise you in detail on this issue; but we do know that as well as butter-popcorn the creamy, buttery, custard-type flavours will probably entail risk even if diacetyl itself is absent (because this group of flavours has a question mark regarding safety)...lots more info on the site
 
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