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(Gothamist)   Hey New Yorkers - tired of those pretentious hipster douchebags "vaping" at the next table? Well, starting today they'll be ostracized to the sidewalk outside with all the other smokers   (gothamist.com) divider line 244
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2014-04-29 06:06:48 PM

LZeitgeist: If 'vape smoke' is exhaled water vapor, could it transmit disease from the 'vaper' to the secondhand vapor recipients?

\serious question
\\no snark


Not anymore than actually exhaling without the vapor can. Whenever you breath out you are already releasing a shiatton of water particulate into the air, vaping just makes it more visible.
 
2014-04-29 06:07:12 PM
Good, I don't want your nicotine laced humid cherry breath blown in my face either.
 
2014-04-29 06:09:41 PM

LZeitgeist: If 'vape smoke' is exhaled water vapor, could it transmit disease from the 'vaper' to the secondhand vapor recipients?

\serious question
\\no snark


You mean just like when people regularly exhale without vaping?
 
2014-04-29 06:09:45 PM

LazyMedia: Fluid: jbc: Why the hell do you use e-cigs anyway? They don't make you any less of a loser than real smokers; they just make you a battery-powered loser.

Hey, at least it makes you a loser without lung cancer.

Yeah, but if you're vaping nicotine, you still have the same increased risk of heart attack and stroke. Wouldn't want to lose that!


Not the same "increased" risk. Look it up.
 
2014-04-29 06:10:11 PM

robodog: This is a stupid ruling for public health. Vaping does NOTHING to harm anyone (I'm an asthmatic with an acute sensitivity to most artificial scents and many natural ones and yet having my brothers vape in my enclosed vehicle does nothing, were I not looking at them I wouldn't know they were vaping) and by vaping the user either reduces or eliminates their dependence on cigarettes.


So? Vape exhaust still interacts with the public. They can take it outside with the rest of the smokers. Hopefully the vapers will set a good example for the smokers to get off the cancer sticks too.

/next time I see someone vaping, I'm going to walk up and sneeze on them.
 
2014-04-29 06:10:54 PM

DerpHerder: LazyMedia: Fluid: jbc: Why the hell do you use e-cigs anyway? They don't make you any less of a loser than real smokers; they just make you a battery-powered loser.

Hey, at least it makes you a loser without lung cancer.

Yeah, but if you're vaping nicotine, you still have the same increased risk of heart attack and stroke. Wouldn't want to lose that!

On the same risk level of consuming caffeine.


Wrong. Moderate caffeine use has no proven health risks associated with it AT ALL. In fact, moderate coffee drinking has a number of health benefits (because of the antioxidents in coffee, I assume), including a lower risk of Type II diabetes. Nicotine accounts for about 40 percent of deaths associated with smoking.
 
2014-04-29 06:11:05 PM
I just made the switch to e-cigs and I agree. I won't smoke them where I wouldn't smoke an ordinary cigarette. (I have snuck a drag or two in an empty  bathroom, but that will be our little secret).  I also don't like the ones that billow clouds of "vape" that make it look like you're smoking 3 cigars at the same time.
 
2014-04-29 06:12:31 PM

LazyMedia: Burning_Monk: Splish: The problem is that there are people who recognize that there are places you shouldn't smoke but think you can vape (and I feel like a tool for using that like it's a real word) wherever you want. They're doing it in restaurants, churches, hospitals, etc. Sometimes sneaking it like no one is going to notice, sometimes just openly doing it because they're the coolest.

Why is this a problem? I was under the impression that smoking was banded in resturants and other public spaces because of health issues for the workers there. Is nicotine vapor as harmful?

I believe they've determined that nicotine vaping creates about 1/10th the amount of second-hand nicotine ingestion from people passively breathing it in a bar situation as smoking does. So still too much for workplace health, I would imagine. Nicotine increases the risk of heart attack and stroke, no matter how you ingest it.


Citation needed. The nicotine exhaled is on par with that witch is released while cooking a pot of tomato sauce. Italian restaurants better watch out.
 
2014-04-29 06:12:35 PM

LZeitgeist: If 'vape smoke' is exhaled water vapor, could it transmit disease from the 'vaper' to the secondhand vapor recipients?

\serious question
\\no snark


Interesting question. Would the higher temperatures hinder or help microbes? Might keep them alive longer, so they can travel further and live longer on surfaces, on the other hand, it might kill em all and reduce transmission.
 
2014-04-29 06:12:52 PM

zarker: If water vapor makes you nauseous you've got bigger problems


You obviously have never hung out with my uncle the day after the Superbowl.
 
2014-04-29 06:13:41 PM
Good.jpeg
 
2014-04-29 06:13:50 PM

jbc: Why the hell do you use e-cigs anyway? They don't make you any less of a loser than real smokers; they just make you a battery-powered loser.


Please play again later. You suck at this game. Practice more. There is more that I could say, but it would get me a time out, depending on who is moderating.
 
2014-04-29 06:14:39 PM

Onkel Buck: Polartank13: stpauler: I don't hang out with smokers or "vapers", but I walked by a person sneaking a vape in a mall last week. Then I walked by a woman who had just left the Clinique counter. Both offended my nose but nothing I didn't quickly get over.

Really? Cuz my friends that vape have got some of the nicest smelling flavors. I guess some people vape with essence of skunk's asshole.

 Nepwort makes a vape?


Harry Puffer went to Nepworts.
 
2014-04-29 06:15:11 PM

robodog: Vaping does NOTHING to harm anyone


Citations, thanks.

/you won't be able to find any because there haven't been any studies done
//derp and double derp on you!
 
2014-04-29 06:15:56 PM
Studies are coming out linking the vapor to increased cancer risk.  I know it sucks, but there's no such thing as a free lunch.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/04/16/business/e-cigarette-study-data-ma y- raise-concerns.html?_r=0
 
2014-04-29 06:16:41 PM

LazyMedia: Fluid: jbc: Why the hell do you use e-cigs anyway? They don't make you any less of a loser than real smokers; they just make you a battery-powered loser.

Hey, at least it makes you a loser without lung cancer.

Yeah, but if you're vaping nicotine, you still have the same increased risk of heart attack and stroke. Wouldn't want to lose that!


WRONG again. You must be a Tea Partier that hates science. Go read something other than the bible.
 
2014-04-29 06:16:54 PM

Kuta: robodog: This is a stupid ruling for public health. Vaping does NOTHING to harm anyone (I'm an asthmatic with an acute sensitivity to most artificial scents and many natural ones and yet having my brothers vape in my enclosed vehicle does nothing, were I not looking at them I wouldn't know they were vaping) and by vaping the user either reduces or eliminates their dependence on cigarettes.

So? Vape exhaust still interacts with the public. They can take it outside with the rest of the smokers. Hopefully the vapers will set a good example for the smokers to get off the cancer sticks too.

/next time I see someone vaping, I'm going to walk up and sneeze on them

You may get punched in the face. You will deserve it. Hope I'm there to see it.

 
2014-04-29 06:16:56 PM

zarker: If water vapor makes you nauseous you've got bigger problems


Big difference between water vapor and vapor that's been laced with all the neato chemicals that are in the e-cig cartridges. But nice try.
 
2014-04-29 06:17:40 PM

Polartank13: stpauler: I don't hang out with smokers or "vapers", but I walked by a person sneaking a vape in a mall last week. Then I walked by a woman who had just left the Clinique counter. Both offended my nose but nothing I didn't quickly get over.

Really? Cuz my friends that vape have got some of the nicest smelling flavors. I guess some people vape with essence of skunk's asshole.


If "vaping" does anything at all to the person holding the "e-cig" then guess what - it does the SAME FARKING THING to the rest of us.  Meaning, if you're sitting there "vaping" next to someone in a bar, then they are doing it too because the vapor in the farking air is still carrying those farking chemicals.

You can't have it both ways.  Either your a douchenozzle for inhaling something that has had little to no testing, and it doesn't have any actual effects, thus it doesn't affect others....or, it has had little to no testing, and it has effects and also has those same effects on the people near you - for the same farking reason second-hand smoke does.

Hell, I'd like to also ban from bars those people who wear Axe products.  But I'm over the top like that.
 
2014-04-29 06:18:02 PM

a21ozcoldcup: I can't inhale your alcohol from the table next to you. Same applies to children or asthmatics, etc.

Clearly someone wrote before actually thinking about their own question.


If a little water vapor causes you that much distress, you need to be living in a clean room. And no, you won't be inhaling any "vape smoke", as it dissipates pretty damn quickly. Sounds like you wrote before thinking.
 
2014-04-29 06:18:40 PM
Isn't vaping short for vaginal gaping? I can see why it might be frowned upon in a public venue but I'm not sure the sidewalk is a better place....
 
2014-04-29 06:19:16 PM

LazyMedia: DerpHerder: LazyMedia: Fluid: jbc: Why the hell do you use e-cigs anyway? They don't make you any less of a loser than real smokers; they just make you a battery-powered loser.

Hey, at least it makes you a loser without lung cancer.

Yeah, but if you're vaping nicotine, you still have the same increased risk of heart attack and stroke. Wouldn't want to lose that!

On the same risk level of consuming caffeine.

Wrong. Moderate caffeine use has no proven health risks associated with it AT ALL. In fact, moderate coffee drinking has a number of health benefits (because of the antioxidents in coffee, I assume), including a lower risk of Type II diabetes. Nicotine accounts for about 40 percent of deaths associated with smoking.


A lot of people are not moderate users of caffeine...
 
2014-04-29 06:19:24 PM

Zeromyhero: Drinkers = awesome
Smokers = whaaaaaambulance

Makes perfect sense.

Oh, also legalize weed because reasons.  Smoking other stuff is totally awesome.


Last time I checked, the act of you consuming a drink in my presence did not potentially harm me by default.  As for smoking weed, you can be damn sure that it'll face the same restrictions, if not more, than regular smoking.
 
2014-04-29 06:19:25 PM

DerpHerder: LazyMedia: Burning_Monk: Splish: The problem is that there are people who recognize that there are places you shouldn't smoke but think you can vape (and I feel like a tool for using that like it's a real word) wherever you want. They're doing it in restaurants, churches, hospitals, etc. Sometimes sneaking it like no one is going to notice, sometimes just openly doing it because they're the coolest.

Why is this a problem? I was under the impression that smoking was banded in resturants and other public spaces because of health issues for the workers there. Is nicotine vapor as harmful?

I believe they've determined that nicotine vaping creates about 1/10th the amount of second-hand nicotine ingestion from people passively breathing it in a bar situation as smoking does. So still too much for workplace health, I would imagine. Nicotine increases the risk of heart attack and stroke, no matter how you ingest it.

Citation needed. The nicotine exhaled is on par with that witch is released while cooking a pot of tomato sauce. Italian restaurants better watch out.


Sounds like e-cig manufacturer propaganda. The research shows second-hand tobacco smoke is about 10 times stronger than second-hand vaping, but that still could be a health risk. The same cite notes that e-cig "smokers" inhale MORE nicotine than tobacco smokers.
 
2014-04-29 06:19:38 PM
I've only noticed people vaping when I saw what looked like smoke and was confused.  I smelled nothing.  Not sure what I'd do if someone blew anything in my face.  You think a e-cig would fit up someones ass?
 
2014-04-29 06:19:56 PM

mike_d85: zarker: If water vapor makes you nauseous you've got bigger problems

My neighbor's 10 year old smokes an e-cig.  It smells like molten jolly rancher.

/Yes, my neighbors are white trash.
//THEY MOVE NEXT TUESDAY!


what the fark
 
2014-04-29 06:20:14 PM
So can we ban folks from chewing nicotine gum like a cow chewing its cud? I find it offensive.
 
2014-04-29 06:20:21 PM

IamAwake: Hell, I'd like to also ban from bars those people who wear Axe products.  But I'm over the top like that.


Axe should be considered chemical warfare.
 
2014-04-29 06:21:09 PM

DerpHerder: As far as the term vaping its an attempt to avoid the ire of anti-smoking zealots (not working too well).


it's smoking.   You're choosing to put untested chemicals which have at the very least, ostensibly, nicotine amongst their numbers.  You should do that crap in your own house, away from anyone else.  Stop smoking.  You're not an infant anymore, stop feeling the need to replace your thumb with something else constantly stuck into your mouth.
 
2014-04-29 06:21:20 PM

brap: BSABSVR: Why is vaping in quotes?

It hasn't formally been charged with vape yet.


Vape vape?
 
2014-04-29 06:21:56 PM
Well, this thread is full throttle trolls trying to piss people off. I better go find a thread where people make sense.
 
2014-04-29 06:22:01 PM

The My Little Pony Killer: robodog: Vaping does NOTHING to harm anyone

Citations, thanks.

/you won't be able to find any because there haven't been any studies done
//derp and double derp on you!


Incorrect. Igor Burstyn, Drexel University. Submitted for peer review: http://www.biomedcentral.com/1471-2458/14/18/

Shows that e-cigs/vaping poses less risk to public health via "secondhand vaping" than inhaling aerosol air freshener.
 
2014-04-29 06:23:20 PM

Brick-House: But is it Vape Vape?


You said "vape" twice.
 
2014-04-29 06:23:35 PM

WTFDYW: LazyMedia: Fluid: jbc: Why the hell do you use e-cigs anyway? They don't make you any less of a loser than real smokers; they just make you a battery-powered loser.

Hey, at least it makes you a loser without lung cancer.

Yeah, but if you're vaping nicotine, you still have the same increased risk of heart attack and stroke. Wouldn't want to lose that!

WRONG again. You must be a Tea Partier that hates science. Go read something other than the bible.


Nicotine is nicotine, and causes atherosclerosis. Sorry, nicotine addicts, no free lunch for you.

/I thought being anti-smoking was a libtard thing?
//Libtard.
 
2014-04-29 06:23:35 PM
Banning e cigs indoors just goes to show you it's not about health issues, but control and the hard on for power
 
2014-04-29 06:24:18 PM
I just saw a guy at an airport bar wearing a vape pen necklace like a steampunk amulet. When he sucked on it he exhaled a prodigious wreath of vapor. I tried to care about secondhand vapors but I was kind of drunk so I couldn't summon enough clarity to study it out. And there was a kind of hot freckled Asian girl talking to me so I was distracted. She was tiny. She was flying to Boston. I figured her for a post-grad. When vapor pen guy ordered a craft IPA
I lost interest in him. The freckled Asian girl captivated me. I wanted to pocket her like a sugar glider and carry her around forever.
 
2014-04-29 06:25:26 PM
I don't smoke cigarettes or vape e-cigarettes but the number of people that have this overwhelmingly adverse reaction to people having a habit they dislike is appalling. Oh no your delicate nose happened upon a scent you find unpleasant? Why we must make sure your precious nose is no longer offended! We must ban the thing that the other person enjoys because your tiny little baby nosey wosey can't handle the smell. Get a life you farking losers. Maybe if the world wasn't full of such insufferable coonts such as yourselves people wouldn't seek out these mind altering substances to escape from the shiatty world you apparently get off on living in. You've already moved the smokers out of every indoor venue on the planet, the vapor isn't anywhere near a public health hazard (oh no, 1/10th of the nicotine, the horror the horror!?!?) and you should get bent.
 
2014-04-29 06:25:52 PM

IamAwake: Hell, I'd like to also ban from bars those people who wear Axe products. But I'm over the top like that.


A bar with a mandatory hosing for entry would solve your problem.  It would probably be popular with spring breakers as well.  "Wet Willies" is taken...

"The Wet Bar"
"Water Tight"
"Water Balloon Smugglers"
 
2014-04-29 06:26:02 PM

AttawaYawattA: Studies are coming out linking the vapor to increased cancer risk.  I know it sucks, but there's no such thing as a free lunch.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/04/16/business/e-cigarette-study-data-ma y- raise-concerns.html?_r=0


You gotta figure it's the particulates and combustion products that are the cancer risk.  Some fog with nicotine dissolved in it can't be very carcinogenic.

Vapers were generally already cock-punchable people before they started vaping though, so you understand the impulse to persecute them.
 
2014-04-29 06:26:19 PM
Calm down tards.  Smoked for 15 years, now I "vape" (to use the parlance of our times, "subby") and I walk down to the smoker's cage/zone/pit every damn time.  Excusing oneself from annoying groups and/or work for a few minutes was part of the reason I enjoyed smoking to begin with.
 
2014-04-29 06:26:50 PM

pushcart: I just saw a guy at an airport bar wearing a vape pen necklace like a steampunk amulet. When he sucked on it he exhaled a prodigious wreath of vapor. I tried to care about secondhand vapors but I was kind of drunk so I couldn't summon enough clarity to study it out. And there was a kind of hot freckled Asian girl talking to me so I was distracted. She was tiny. She was flying to Boston. I figured her for a post-grad. When vapor pen guy ordered a craft IPA
I lost interest in him. The freckled Asian girl captivated me. I wanted to pocket her like a sugar glider and carry her around forever.


You responded appropriately.
 
2014-04-29 06:27:08 PM

Fusilier: cman: When you are at war you cannot let your enemy have any sort of win

That is why there is a movement against ecigs. Anti-tobacco people can't let smokers get a leg up no matter what the circumstance is.

Plus there is an instinctive response from the reptilian brain of government to regulate and tax all human activity. Anyone else getting a wee bit fed up with these new "Puritans"?


New? America has been full of them forever. The idea that someone, somewhere might be having fun is repugnant to them.
 
2014-04-29 06:28:08 PM
It's rather unfortunate that people doing ecigs are going to be regulated the same as smokers. The whole premise of them in the first place is to be able to "smoke" in what are usually non smoking areas. shiat I remember about 5 years ago i tried one of them blu ecigs and smoked it on a plane. No one said shiat or complained.
 
2014-04-29 06:28:16 PM
I was under the impression that nicotine itself isn't a problem and what causes cancer is all the other byproducts of combustion that make up smoke- any smoke, not just tobacco smoke which happens to contain nicotine. Also, all the crap added to cigarettes that aren't found in tobacco. Yet here this thread is, talking about the dangers of nicotine itself?

/occasionally enjoys a pipe
 
2014-04-29 06:28:34 PM
Something something mah freedoms something something.
 
2014-04-29 06:28:50 PM

IamAwake: it's smoking.


No it isn't, you brain dead troll.
 
2014-04-29 06:28:51 PM

Aigoo: The My Little Pony Killer: robodog: Vaping does NOTHING to harm anyone

Citations, thanks.

/you won't be able to find any because there haven't been any studies done
//derp and double derp on you!

Incorrect. Igor Burstyn, Drexel University. Submitted for peer review: http://www.biomedcentral.com/1471-2458/14/18/

Shows that e-cigs/vaping poses less risk to public health via "secondhand vaping" than inhaling aerosol air freshener.


Oh, FFS, read your farking links. That study says that e-cigs pose no increased risk of exposure to "contaminants" like formaldehyde. It says nothing about the risk of exposure to THE ACTUAL ACTIVE INGREDIENT in nicotine vaping, which is nicotine, and which causes atherosclerosis regardless of how it's administered.

Current state of knowledge about chemistry of liquids and aerosols associated with electronic cigarettes indicates that there is no evidence that vaping produces inhalable exposures to contaminants of the aerosol that would warrant health concerns by the standards that are used to ensure safety of workplaces.  However, the aerosol generated during vaping as a whole (contaminants  plus declared ingredients) creates personal exposures that would justify surveillance of health among exposed persons in conjunction with investigation of means to keep any adverse health effects as low as reasonably achievable.
 
2014-04-29 06:29:17 PM

Aigoo: The My Little Pony Killer: robodog: Vaping does NOTHING to harm anyone

Citations, thanks.

/you won't be able to find any because there haven't been any studies done
//derp and double derp on you!

Incorrect. Igor Burstyn, Drexel University. Submitted for peer review: http://www.biomedcentral.com/1471-2458/14/18/

Shows that e-cigs/vaping poses less risk to public health via "secondhand vaping" than inhaling aerosol air freshener.


Yanno, if you started blasting air freshener around at a bar or a restaurant, the staff would ask you to leave.
 
2014-04-29 06:29:48 PM

Splish: The problem is that there are people who recognize that there are places you shouldn't smoke but think you can vape (and I feel like a tool for using that like it's a real word) wherever you want. They're doing it in restaurants, churches, hospitals, etc. Sometimes sneaking it like no one is going to notice, sometimes just openly doing it because they're the coolest.


I suppose you'd biatch if they drank a beverage with nicotine in it as well?
 
2014-04-29 06:30:41 PM

a21ozcoldcup: Dragonflew: Zeromyhero: Drinkers = awesome
Smokers = whaaaaaambulance

Makes perfect sense.

At least threads like this help us to identify the insufferable douchebags here.

I can't inhale your alcohol from the table next to you. Same applies to children or asthmatics, etc.

Clearly someone wrote before actually thinking about their own question.


You can be killed by someone driving home after drinking alcohol. And on a public road, not in a bar or restaurant that allows vaping that you have the ability to not walk into and sit down in.
 
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