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(Townhall)   Mexicans should embrace Cinco de Mayo being turned into drunken debauchery, just as the Irish embrace St Patty's Day   ( townhall.com) divider line
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2014-04-29 07:01:18 PM  

timujin: Dwight_Yeast: scottydoesntknow: On the one hand, I agree that they should be able to hold a party with Mexican food on Cinco de Mayo.

Chips and salsa ain't Mexican food. Well, it is, but only in the most tenuous way, as it was invented to feed to tourists from the States.

Nope, corn chips were invented by a guy in L.A. to get rid of the scraps from his tortilla factory.


Sorry, make that a chick in L.A. to get rid of the scraps from her tortilla factory.
 
2014-04-29 07:02:17 PM  
So, the thing is, Paddy's day is a bunch of drunken Irish.  But it's a religious holiday, so they all go to mass, first.   Then they get drunk.  Then they go watch the Americans at the parade.
 
2014-04-29 07:04:11 PM  
Both "holidays" are stupid.
 
2014-04-29 07:04:42 PM  

whidbey: Both "holidays" are stupid.


I bet you're fun at parties.
 
2014-04-29 07:06:20 PM  

EvilEgg: I've got a whiskey holiday, a tequila holiday.   I guess Mardi Gras could serve as a rum holiday, what do we have for vodka?  We need a Russian or Polish holiday.


Dyngus day was last week...
 
2014-04-29 07:07:40 PM  

timujin: whidbey: Both "holidays" are stupid.

I bet you're fun at parties.


Most parties celebrating either "holiday" are pretty stupid, so I wouldn't be there, anyway.

But seriously, two fake "holidays" celebrated primarily by fraternities and sports bars?

You can have them.
 
2014-04-29 07:09:41 PM  
kbronsito

Mexico did win that war - Juarez marched into Mexico City, Maximilan was executed.  Of course, it was five years after the battle of Puebla, and France had withdrawn by that point (in part because of US diplomatic pressure).
 
2014-04-29 07:11:55 PM  

whidbey: timujin: whidbey: Both "holidays" are stupid.

I bet you're fun at parties.

Most parties celebrating either "holiday" are pretty stupid, so I wouldn't be there, anyway.

But seriously, two fake "holidays" celebrated primarily by fraternities and sports bars?

You can have them.


St. Patrick's day is an Irish national holiday and St. Patrick is the patron Saint for six million Catholics.

It's far from a fake holiday.
 
2014-04-29 07:17:43 PM  

whidbey: timujin: whidbey: Both "holidays" are stupid.

I bet you're fun at parties.

Most parties celebrating either "holiday" are pretty stupid, so I wouldn't be there, anyway.

But seriously, two fake "holidays" celebrated primarily by fraternities and sports bars?

You can have them.


Bet those grapes are sour, too, probably taste just horrible.
 
2014-04-29 07:34:42 PM  
"We take these concerns very seriously,"

and that is why you fail
 
2014-04-29 07:39:48 PM  
If by Irish you mean drunken louts from the suburbs of Chicago.
 
2014-04-29 08:04:44 PM  
Who gives a shiat about Cinco de Mayo? Here in my neighborhood, folks are already gearing up for Syttende Mai - just today I noticed that 7-Eleven is stocked up on Norwegian flags, and soon the aquavit will be flowing like water.
 
2014-04-29 08:11:28 PM  

BMulligan: Who gives a shiat about Cinco de Mayo? Here in my neighborhood, folks are already gearing up for Syttende Mai - just today I noticed that 7-Eleven is stocked up on Norwegian flags, and soon the aquavit will be flowing like water.


Aquavit? Yecch. Sorry, but shots of Patron, illegal fireworks, awesome chimichangas, and drunk sorority girls top your death metal depression fest any day of the week.
 
2014-04-29 08:15:06 PM  

timujin: whidbey: timujin: whidbey: Both "holidays" are stupid.

I bet you're fun at parties.

Most parties celebrating either "holiday" are pretty stupid, so I wouldn't be there, anyway.

But seriously, two fake "holidays" celebrated primarily by fraternities and sports bars?

You can have them.

Bet those grapes are sour, too, probably taste just horrible.


Dude, I didn't want to have to take this more than one reply, unless you agree with me.

Both. "Holidays". Are stupid. It has jack shiat to do with any thing regarding experiencing either. They are dumb. Dumb dumb dumb dumb. OK? Good.
 
2014-04-29 08:23:41 PM  

whidbey: Dude, I didn't want to have to take this more than one reply, unless you agree with me.

Both. "Holidays". Are stupid. It has jack shiat to do with any thing regarding experiencing either. They are dumb. Dumb dumb dumb dumb. OK? Good.


Sure, except for the "Frat" part. Most Mexicans who I know that celebrate Cinco de Mayo aren't "Frats".

If you don't like fun and drinking, that's your bag. I disagree with you but I feel you have a right to be a humorless sourpuss and feel that both holidays are dumb. Just wanted to say, seriously, that Cinco de Mayo isn't a "Frat" holiday, but I will admit, the drunk sorority girls are certainly a feature, and not a bug.
 
2014-04-29 08:24:37 PM  
Well, at least I'm in a part of a country where Cinco de Mayo is actually the lesser of the Beltaine-centric Drunkendays, which is kind of funny considering that where I grew up is the Little Mexico of my state :D

(And yes, I pretty much consider Derby Day Louisville's de facto Beltaine.  Celebration of the Comin' In Of Teh Spring as is the Traditional and Cultural, the gettin' drunk, the outdoor fun...Cinco de Mayo is pretty much an afterthought here really)

/everyone here is drinking of teh bourbon (if locals) and teh bad mint juleps (if yer an out-of-towner because god farking knows we don't farking ruin decent farking bourbon by mixing it with sugar water and mint and the truth is we Louisvillians use it as a form of trollin with alcohol lol)
//and all the celebration of the Battle of Pueblo means is that we get to add good tequila to the good bourbon for Derby and maybe a good lengua taco if you have a good taqueria nearby
///speaking of alcohol, I probably should not post whilst drunk heheh
 
2014-04-29 08:29:26 PM  

Wessoman: whidbey: Dude, I didn't want to have to take this more than one reply, unless you agree with me.

Both. "Holidays". Are stupid. It has jack shiat to do with any thing regarding experiencing either. They are dumb. Dumb dumb dumb dumb. OK? Good.

Sure, except for the "Frat" part. Most Mexicans who I know that celebrate Cinco de Mayo aren't "Frats".

If you don't like fun and drinking, that's your bag. I disagree with you but I feel you have a right to be a humorless sourpuss and feel that both holidays are dumb. Just wanted to say, seriously, that Cinco de Mayo isn't a "Frat" holiday, but I will admit, the drunk sorority girls are certainly a feature, and not a bug.


*shrugs*

I said sports bars, too. SPD=Frats CDM=sports bars

I love drinking, but not that kind of crazy partying anymore. I like smoking weed. What can I say? Doesn't have nearly as many antics as session drinking. Maybe pizza/nacho making contests, but I digress.
 
2014-04-29 08:34:10 PM  

whidbey: Wessoman: whidbey: Dude, I didn't want to have to take this more than one reply, unless you agree with me.

Both. "Holidays". Are stupid. It has jack shiat to do with any thing regarding experiencing either. They are dumb. Dumb dumb dumb dumb. OK? Good.

Sure, except for the "Frat" part. Most Mexicans who I know that celebrate Cinco de Mayo aren't "Frats".

If you don't like fun and drinking, that's your bag. I disagree with you but I feel you have a right to be a humorless sourpuss and feel that both holidays are dumb. Just wanted to say, seriously, that Cinco de Mayo isn't a "Frat" holiday, but I will admit, the drunk sorority girls are certainly a feature, and not a bug.

*shrugs*

I said sports bars, too. SPD=Frats CDM=sports bars

I love drinking, but not that kind of crazy partying anymore. I like smoking weed. What can I say? Doesn't have nearly as many antics as session drinking. Maybe pizza/nacho making contests, but I digress.


The thing is, the reason you received the replies you did, is not that you said, "Hey, not my thing", but instead you've decided that because it's not your thing that the people who do enjoy it must be the kind of moronic fratboys who hang out in sports bars.  It's a common problem, actually, thinking that because you don't like something, that there's some fault in that thing and, thereby, with anyone who does enjoy it.  As a pot smoker, I'm sure you've encountered that attitude from people in relation to your enjoyment of some sweet herb.
 
2014-04-29 08:43:04 PM  

whidbey: I love drinking, but not that kind of crazy partying anymore. I like smoking weed. What can I say? Doesn't have nearly as many antics as session drinking. Maybe pizza/nacho making contests, but I digress.


timujin: The thing is, the reason you received the replies you did, is not that you said, "Hey, not my thing", but instead you've decided that because it's not your thing that the people who do enjoy it must be the kind of moronic fratboys who hang out in sports bars. It's a common problem, actually, thinking that because you don't like something, that there's some fault in that thing and, thereby, with anyone who does enjoy it. As a pot smoker, I'm sure you've encountered that attitude from people in relation to your enjoyment of some sweet herb.


Pretty much this. You can hate the holiday, but people who partake in the holidays are not always the stereotypical fratboys you think they are. I love both holidays and I see nothing wrong with an excuse to cut loose.

Of course, if you want to just groove out with some weed and listen to Stereolab with a naked chick all night, that's cool too, man. Way cool.
 
2014-04-29 09:10:29 PM  

Summercat: kbronsito: Mr. Coffee Nerves: It's a holiday to celebrate a Mexican military victory over the French. That's like holding a victory parade for drawing a walk in Beer League Softball.

Didn't even win the war... Just that one battle, forcing the French to regroup and then Mexico got its ass kicked.

It's something interesting to say, that sure. France has lost quite a few wars. Before WWI, I can think of one where it didn't take all of farkin' Europe united in order to bring France down, and that was the Franco-Prussian War, where  the Prussians had insane amounts of training, better tech and doctrine, and had possibly the best army in Europe at the time.

The idea that French suck at military seems mainly to come from WWII, when the Maginot Line - which pretty much every Western tactical and strategic thinker at the time, outside of Germany, thought was a good idea - failed, and the superior German Army routed the French and the British. Had their been a landbridge, England would have gone the same way.

Sorry. The whole "French suck at war" thing gets my gears going.


I would also offer that a great chunk of WWI had taken place on french soil. the country really hadn't had time to recoup. They really didn't have much of a choice but to say : "fark it" when the Huns came marching in.

The French resistance was pretty bad ass
 
2014-04-29 09:29:25 PM  

Mr. Coffee Nerves: It's a holiday to celebrate a Mexican military victory over the French. That's like holding a victory parade for drawing a walk in Beer League Softball.


I propose making Feb. 15 a day when we drink to our victory over the French and their Native American allies. I leave the naming of this holiday to more creative people.
 
2014-04-29 09:36:52 PM  

Cerebral Knievel: Summercat: kbronsito: Mr. Coffee Nerves: It's a holiday to celebrate a Mexican military victory over the French. That's like holding a victory parade for drawing a walk in Beer League Softball.

Didn't even win the war... Just that one battle, forcing the French to regroup and then Mexico got its ass kicked.

It's something interesting to say, that sure. France has lost quite a few wars. Before WWI, I can think of one where it didn't take all of farkin' Europe united in order to bring France down, and that was the Franco-Prussian War, where  the Prussians had insane amounts of training, better tech and doctrine, and had possibly the best army in Europe at the time.

The idea that French suck at military seems mainly to come from WWII, when the Maginot Line - which pretty much every Western tactical and strategic thinker at the time, outside of Germany, thought was a good idea - failed, and the superior German Army routed the French and the British. Had their been a landbridge, England would have gone the same way.

Sorry. The whole "French suck at war" thing gets my gears going.

I would also offer that a great chunk of WWI had taken place on french soil. the country really hadn't had time to recoup. They really didn't have much of a choice but to say : "fark it" when the Huns came marching in.

The French resistance was pretty bad ass


Yup. One of the things I tell people:

"You know the hellish terrain that WWI invokes? The trench warfare, the no-mans land, the gas attacks, and the ground being a mixture of mud, blood, metal and gore? Y'know, the mental imagery that helps drive home the inhumanity of the war, the fact it was bad? All that stuff? That was all in France."

France lost the Franco-Prussian War, and they were exhausted and nearly beat in WWI - as much as people go "Oh hey the US came in late thanks for nothing", it was the fact that the US came in decisively ont he side of the Allies and were fresh, whereas while they were winning, the Germans were nearly as exhausted as the Brits and the French? Yeah.
 
2014-04-29 09:40:22 PM  

Dwight_Yeast: scottydoesntknow: On the one hand, I agree that they should be able to hold a party with Mexican food on Cinco de Mayo.

Chips and salsa ain't Mexican food.  Well, it is, but only in the most tenuous way, as it was invented to feed to tourists from the States.

/In my neighborhood there are Mexican places (run by Hispanics) and "Mexican places" (run by white people).  It's probably Guatemalans in the kitchen in both.
//I love diversity


This! My Mexican great grandfather abso-farking-lutely hated that whole chips and salsa thing. Tamales on the other hand are the food of the gods, and anybody who says otherwise can go fark themselves with a belt sander.
 
2014-04-29 09:46:20 PM  

Summercat: kbronsito: Mr. Coffee Nerves: It's a holiday to celebrate a Mexican military victory over the French. That's like holding a victory parade for drawing a walk in Beer League Softball.

Didn't even win the war... Just that one battle, forcing the French to regroup and then Mexico got its ass kicked.

It's something interesting to say, that sure. France has lost quite a few wars. Before WWI, I can think of one where it didn't take all of farkin' Europe united in order to bring France down, and that was the Franco-Prussian War, where  the Prussians had insane amounts of training, better tech and doctrine, and had possibly the best army in Europe at the time.

The idea that French suck at military seems mainly to come from WWII, when the Maginot Line - which pretty much every Western tactical and strategic thinker at the time, outside of Germany, thought was a good idea - failed, and the superior German Army routed the French and the British. Had their been a landbridge, England would have gone the same way.

Sorry. The whole "French suck at war" thing gets my gears going.


The proper answer to the "French suck at war" thing consists of one word: Verdun.
 
2014-04-29 09:49:45 PM  

Wessoman: BMulligan: Who gives a shiat about Cinco de Mayo? Here in my neighborhood, folks are already gearing up for Syttende Mai - just today I noticed that 7-Eleven is stocked up on Norwegian flags, and soon the aquavit will be flowing like water.

Aquavit? Yecch. Sorry, but shots of Patron, illegal fireworks, awesome chimichangas, and drunk sorority girls top your death metal depression fest any day of the week.


Chimichangas are bullshiat. Now if you'll excuse me, I'm going to go get me some Cochinita Pibil.
 
2014-04-29 09:51:01 PM  
Is Clown Hall going to tell Christians to STFU about the War on Christmas whenever someone says Happy Holidays?
 
2014-04-29 10:19:56 PM  
You say "drunken debauchery" like it's a bad thing.

/  Like I need an excuse to drink...
 
2014-04-29 10:29:21 PM  
Drink de Mayo wasn't any kind of sacred holiday anyway
 
2014-04-29 10:58:46 PM  

LectertheChef: Summercat: kbronsito: Mr. Coffee Nerves: It's a holiday to celebrate a Mexican military victory over the French. That's like holding a victory parade for drawing a walk in Beer League Softball.

Didn't even win the war... Just that one battle, forcing the French to regroup and then Mexico got its ass kicked.

It's something interesting to say, that sure. France has lost quite a few wars. Before WWI, I can think of one where it didn't take all of farkin' Europe united in order to bring France down, and that was the Franco-Prussian War, where  the Prussians had insane amounts of training, better tech and doctrine, and had possibly the best army in Europe at the time.

The idea that French suck at military seems mainly to come from WWII, when the Maginot Line - which pretty much every Western tactical and strategic thinker at the time, outside of Germany, thought was a good idea - failed, and the superior German Army routed the French and the British. Had their been a landbridge, England would have gone the same way.

Sorry. The whole "French suck at war" thing gets my gears going.

The proper answer to the "French suck at war" thing consists of one word: Verdun.


Why use one word when 140 will do?

MORE DAKKA
 
2014-04-29 11:31:30 PM  

vernonFL: Townhall vs. PC oversensitive harpy.

A quien gana, perdiamos.


??

Do you mean: Quienquiera que gane, todos perdemos?
 
2014-04-30 03:33:56 AM  
I'm pretty sure we can do what we want with the holiday, since it's significantly more a US holiday than a Mexican one.

I mean, sure, it's on their calendars and shiat, but it's more on the order of how we treat President's day, maybe you'll get a mattress sale somewhere but no one cares.  While in the US, it's sort of our national "hey, Mexico's pretty cool, too" day.  If the US decides that the holiday's ancient tradition involves drinking some Modela and playing frisbee, I doubt anyone in Mexico will care enough to argue over it.
 
2014-04-30 07:27:47 AM  

DanZero: [img.photobucket.com image 563x562

"Remembrance of the 1862 Battle of Puebla, when outnumbered Mexican forces defeated the invading French army against all odds"  ]

So basically it's Mexican Hanukkah.
 
2014-04-30 07:41:50 AM  
"As a Mexican-born, United States-raised, first-generation woman of color, it was sadly unsurprising that a culturally-themed party was seen as a casual venture for such a privileged institution such as Dartmouth,"

There are invisible women out there?

Oh that is right, it is back in fashion among the "cultural sensitive" to imply "white" people have no color.


As for her complaint, she can go shiat in her sombrero. Unless a cultural holiday involves drinking and some 'silly' outfits, most people aren't going to give a shiat outside your community.


/looking forward to peopel crying that I called it silly, guess what kilts are silly too, as are kiss me I am Irish t-shirts, green fuzzy tophats, but Irish peopel who aren't whiny coonts don't get butthurt over it.
 
2014-04-30 07:46:05 AM  

Wessoman: Pretty much this. You can hate the holiday, but people who partake in the holidays are not always the stereotypical fratboys you think they are. I love both holidays and I see nothing wrong with an excuse to cut loose.


Unless you live somewhere that is trashed after either holiday, hating them or generalizing about people that celebrate them is for whiny peopel who hate the fact other people may be having fun.
 
2014-04-30 10:23:00 AM  

Great Porn Dragon: Well, at least I'm in a part of a country where Cinco de Mayo is actually the lesser of the Beltaine-centric Drunkendays, which is kind of funny considering that where I grew up is the Little Mexico of my state :D

(And yes, I pretty much consider Derby Day Louisville's de facto Beltaine.  Celebration of the Comin' In Of Teh Spring as is the Traditional and Cultural, the gettin' drunk, the outdoor fun...Cinco de Mayo is pretty much an afterthought here really)

/everyone here is drinking of teh bourbon (if locals) and teh bad mint juleps (if yer an out-of-towner because god farking knows we don't farking ruin decent farking bourbon by mixing it with sugar water and mint and the truth is we Louisvillians use it as a form of trollin with alcohol lol)
//and all the celebration of the Battle of Pueblo means is that we get to add good tequila to the good bourbon for Derby and maybe a good lengua taco if you have a good taqueria nearby
///speaking of alcohol, I probably should not post whilst drunk heheh


El Mariachi on LaGrange Rd makes amazing lengua tacos
 
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